219: Titanic II: The Reckoning

Christina

[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to overtired. We w w this is Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and we’re both super tired. for different reasons.

[00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] Yeah. Yeah. Your, your reason is that you woke up. So it’s, it’s what it is. Is it 9:00 AM or is at 10:00 AM your time? I never can remember if you’re, if you’re, um, central or Eastern time zone. Okay.

[00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] right now.

[00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] Okay. Excellent. All right. So it is, it is 7:00 AM for me. And, um, I remembered that I was doing this at like 11:00 PM after I ordered a bunch of food and taken, um, an edible.

[00:00:40] And I was like, fuck, I have to be up at 7:00 AM to do this. Because usually that, that combo is like, Oh, I’m going to be, you know, Up until probably 4:00 AM and then I’m going to sleep all day.

[00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] for tomorrow.

[00:00:55] Christina: [00:00:55] That’s exactly it because I’m on vacation. And even though [00:01:00] technically it started Friday, I still had meetings Friday, even though I was off and I had a meeting yesterday.

[00:01:07] I’m done for the rest of the year. Like I’m done. I’m not like I’m not doing anything for work until January 4th. So, um, other than podcasting, but like for my day job, I’m like, I’m not, I’m done. So, um, yeah,

[00:01:23] Brett: [00:01:23] nice. I remember vacation time. I haven’t done that in years.

[00:01:30] Christina: [00:01:30] I haven’t either. Which is the problem. I mean, last time I did, it was like in, in any like prolonged since was. A year ago when I was in, um, Atlanta for like a month with my parents. And then I went to Tampa for this. I have to be careful because, well, it was a wedding, but it let’s just say that it portended a lot of things.

[00:01:54] Like, let’s just say the way that I wrong in 2020 was like a pogrom or whatever the [00:02:00] term is like, it was like a premonition of something terrible about to happen. For a lot of reasons, and I would love to talk about it more freely, but, um, I can’t, uh, just, just, uh, for, uh, I guess, uh, politeness, uh, to, to people that are easily identifiable online, if I’m able to like, you know, mention them sort of things.

[00:02:22] Um, so the last time that I had off for an extended period, Was a year ago and how Microsoft vacation works as it does it at most companies is that if you don’t use a certain amount within a certain period of time, you lose it. Um, if you’re, um, a resident of California, they can’t do that. It doesn’t expire, but in other States it does.

[00:02:44] So I got like an email where they’re like, Hey, you have like 90 hours that if you don’t use, you will lose. And I’m like, Oh shit. Like that’s, that’s not good. Right. So, um, I had to start taking [00:03:00] random days off because we get a certain amount of like prepaid, you know, kind of holidays, like things that are considered company holidays.

[00:03:06] And I was like, Oh yeah. Okay. I’m going to be like, I’m going to lose it. So I took some stuff where I was like, okay. I, you know, dipped into thin normal vacation period, but I’m really like using vacation from like two years ago.

[00:03:22] Brett: [00:03:22] So when you’re on vacation with your, your hoity-toity corporate job, any chance that someone contacts you and says, Hey, I know you’re on vacation, but we need this done. Okay. That makes me feel better. Cause I, I can take kind of a vacation, but I still like, I can’t let customer support

[00:03:44] Christina: [00:03:44] no, I mean, I mean, look. There would be instances. And there happened things like where there have been people that I work with who were just like, I’m gone, I’m off the grid. You cannot reach me. Okay, fine. Um, and, and that’s understandable. And if I wanted to set that boundary, I could, [00:04:00] but that’s not a boundary I set and it’s not, um, One that, that I think that most people like, you know, that I work with have set.

[00:04:09] Like, you certainly could do that, but that’s, that’s not the boundary that most people set. It’s not like there, there might be some circumstances, like if I was on a cruise ship, uh, let’s say that we weren’t like in pandemic times and that wasn’t the most terrifying thought in the world. Like. You know, or, or, you know, if I was, you know, in the POL or something and had limited access to internet because I’m climbing mountain Everest or some shit like fine, but I mean, yeah, that’s, that’s not.

[00:04:36]Like, if something really was needed, then people could call me, like I said, I, I had calls on both Friday and yesterday. They weren’t long, but we needed to get them done. Like one needed to be done by the end of the year. And I had people on shot from China, like on the line and like, you know, I, I need to, I need to be on the phone call.

[00:04:54] Brett: [00:04:54] So meanwhile, while you’re high eating taco bell, I think I’m having a [00:05:00] manic episode. Turns out. I don’t think I actually am, but I woke up like a shot at 2:00 AM and. And like I have this test. I can tell when I’m manic, because if I’m laying in bed with my eyes closed and I opened them and have no immediate desire to shut them again,

[00:05:21] Christina: [00:05:21] uh huh.

[00:05:21] Brett: [00:05:21] means I’m manic.

[00:05:23] So if I open my eyes and they’re just wide open and I can see clearly, it, it, if I’m, if I’m not like I’ll open my eyes, but then just kind of they’ll drift back closed. And so I was wide awake. And laid there for three hours. Cause I was like, if I get up and go to my computer, I it’ll definitely be a manic episode.

[00:05:47] And I don’t, it’s been like three months. I don’t want a manic episode. So I tried to, I tried to fool it and apparently it worked cause it like five, I fell back asleep.

[00:05:58]Christina: [00:05:58] Though that last week [00:06:00] you were saying that you hadn’t had a manic episode in too long and you were freaked out about it.

[00:06:04] Brett: [00:06:04] Well, yeah, I mean, I. I’m bored is what I am

[00:06:08] Christina: [00:06:08] Okay.

[00:06:09]Brett: [00:06:09] like. Like I D like I miss what I get done during a manic episode, but I don’t miss going five plus days with like zero sleep that wears me down so much. And it would really put a crimp in like my holiday plans. What little I have. I would have to, like, if I were to not sleep between now and Christmas, uh, like my family, my brother and his family showed up at my parents’ house much to my dismay, but they’ve been there for like 10 days quarantined.

[00:06:48] So I’m like, okay. I could swing by as long as we can maintain social distance, I can swing by for an hour on Christmas and, and see my [00:07:00] nieces and hand over some gifts. And, uh, just kind of have a pseudo family Christmas. And if I were to go from now until then without sleeping, I wouldn’t even feel right.

[00:07:14] Showing up for an hour because I would be. Uh, I, I have, you know, my family super religious and like, when I’m that tired, I say really offensive things. And I just, I just, I hide myself away after that long without sleep. I’m not, I’m not fit for public consumption at that point.

[00:07:37] Christina: [00:07:37] This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, no, I can, um, I understand like, You, you, you don’t want to say things that you don’t mean you want to be in the right frame of mind. You, you don’t. Yeah, I totally can understand that.

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[00:10:08]Christina: [00:10:08] No, I think, I think it fits.

[00:10:10] Brett: [00:10:10] it fits and maybe people aren’t like bored enough yet that they would actually listen and support the sponsors who support our show.

[00:10:19] Christina: [00:10:19] No. I mean, that would be a good thing, right? Like I know that that would be helpful, but also I think that better help. And, and, and Brett’s like mental health corner, our natural partners, if we’re being honest,

[00:10:29] Brett: [00:10:29] totally guess. Who’s sponsoring us coming up.

[00:10:33] Christina: [00:10:33] who’s that.

[00:10:34] Brett: [00:10:34] Uh, a kitty litter, a kitty litter company.

[00:10:38] Christina: [00:10:38] Oh shit. That’s awesome. Oh, can we get a kitten update?

[00:10:42] Brett: [00:10:42] Oh, totally. I’ll talk about cats all day if you want. Um, so let’s see. Bod has become it’s like, so she has her own room right now. And when I walk into the room, she runs up to me. And it’s just like immediately. So I laid down to the bed and [00:11:00] she jumps on top of me and just starts purring. And it takes about three minutes before her like, uh, play drive kicks in.

[00:11:08] So I’ll just be petting her and she’ll be purring. And then all of a sudden she’ll like bite my finger. And that’s a no, no, we, we don’t let cats bite our fingers because. That’s just bad habit to get into. So then outcomes, the toy. She actually pulled apart, uh, one of the wan toys with like the fishing line on it.

[00:11:28] She managed to, to break one already, but she runs around the room. Up curtains, chasing feathers. And she’s seriously, like I go in three to four times a day for 30 to 40 minutes at a time. Uh, it’s a big chunk of my time, but I’m really loving this kitten.

[00:11:50]Christina: [00:11:50] I love it. I love it. Um, how’s the other cat, uh, reacting, like, like what’s the update on that?

[00:11:54] Brett: [00:11:54] he’s, he’s been pretty cool with the whole thing. Like he’s taken to sitting [00:12:00] outside of my, the Kitty’s room when I’m in there and he’ll sit out there and he’ll me out once in a while. But when I come out, he like, he’s like, okay, it’s my turn. And he follows me around like a little boppy and sits in my lap.

[00:12:13] And, uh, he’s very good to work with. He will, if I’m at. If I’m in a chair at a keyboard, he will curl up in my lap under the keyboard. And I can kind of like occasionally reach down and give him little scratches on his, on his head. And he will stay off my keyboard for the most part. Um, bod on the other hand, does she, she has learned that dancing on the keyboard is the beginning of a fun game.

[00:12:43] Like she knows if she jumps on the keyboard, she’s going to get attention. So not ideal for working we’ll work on that though.

[00:12:51]Christina: [00:12:51] And she’s still a kitten she’ll she’ll sh she, she can retained, right.

[00:12:56] Brett: [00:12:56] yes, I, I it’s been [00:13:00] so long since I had a kitten. Like the last time I raised a kitten was 17 years ago. So I have vague memories of cat development and how cats mature, but honestly it feels like, it feels like I’m a newbie.

[00:13:18]Christina: [00:13:18] Yeah, well, that’s good. I mean, I’m glad that that things seem to be working out and, um, uh, the bod sounds

[00:13:25] Brett: [00:13:25] I, did I tell you we’re officially keeping her?

[00:13:28] Christina: [00:13:28] you didn’t, you didn’t, this is why I was like, kind of, I’ve been kind of on.

[00:13:31] Brett: [00:13:31] with that.

[00:13:32] Christina: [00:13:32] Yeah, I was going to say, cause I, cause I, cause one of those things I’ve been kind of like, you know, on pins and needles, like is bod going to get to stay like, you know, cause I know that the most important thing is, is, you know, making sure that your, um, existing cat is comfortable and all that, but yeah,

[00:13:48] Brett: [00:13:48] El is still like the, the Finnegan or deal, uh, She is, she’s still, uh, very much in mourning for Finnegan [00:14:00] and I am too, but I have found it like immediately easy to, to reopen my heart and, and love a new kitten. And she’s having a tougher time with that. So she sees how happy bog makes me and, and she’s on board, but I think if it were just up to her, She would have a foster bod temporarily and then let him find, or let her find another home.

[00:14:26] Um, so we’re, I feel a little guilty, like pushing to keep a kitten that maybe she’s not ready for, but, but we’ve, we’ve had long discussions about it and I think it’s the right thing.

[00:14:41]Christina: [00:14:41] Yeah, that’s good. And, and I hope that, that, you know, not that it’s ever going to be easy, but that she’s able to work through her grief, you know, as time moves forward. Yeah.

[00:14:51] Brett: [00:14:51] time heals all wounds, but it, yeah, that was a rough one for sure.

[00:14:56] Christina: [00:14:56] Oh, well, definitely it is. And, and, you know, and, and I, I do feel like [00:15:00] sometimes, like I know that we got our dog, Jamie not long after our dog shadow died, and that was really rough on us as a family. And, but, but it really, it did ultimately I think really help. Um, to the point that I, you know, it took my parents, God, like basically a decade after Jamie died for them to get, um, uh, the dog that they have now that my sister rescued in like March, um, that they have now.

[00:15:25] Um, I think it was just, it was really hard for them up until then, but there I’m really glad my parents have a, have a little, uh, little dog, uh, especially since I can’t be there and the world is dumpster fire. They at least have a little, it’s not a puppy dogs like five or six, but, uh, it’s a very small dog.

[00:15:44] So it’s yeah.

[00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] for a small dog. Cause small dogs live, uh, a longer life and, and the five, five to seven year range is really nice.

[00:15:54]Christina: [00:15:54] Yeah, a little buddy bear. He was like basically leopard, dead. My sister found him, [00:16:00] um, After, like a big storm. She’d seen him a couple of times and she’d fed him and he was clearly kind of, uh, you know, um, you know, uh, uh, he was wearing a t-shirt, but doesn’t know, like at some point somebody had cared about him, but he never got his shots.

[00:16:15] He never, or at least, uh, if he’d had his shots, he wasn’t, um, tagged, um, you know, they weren’t able to locate them. Um, you know, any of that stuff, she fed them a couple of times and then she kept looking for him. And then she, um, saw him after like a really heavy storm. And he was like, kind of caught like near a fence and had kind of debris around him and thought he was dead.

[00:16:37] Somebody like left a thing about it on, on, um, next door. And then she, she found him and he was still alive and she’s able to kind of nurse him back to health. And then, um, she had to go to town and my parents were taking care of them and they took him to the vet and he had to have a bunch of teeth.

[00:16:50] Pulled and, you know, get, you know, some other stuff done, but, but he’s, he’s very bright spirits and as a sweet little dog and, and they, they love him and, um, he’s been really good for them.

[00:17:00] [00:17:00] Brett: [00:17:00] that’s awesome.

[00:17:01] Christina: [00:17:01] Yeah.

[00:17:02] Brett: [00:17:02] Yeah, we’re still trying to figure out where bod actually came from. Like she was found in a cemetery and I got reports on Facebook from people. I don’t really know, but who follow my cat pictures apparently, um, who had actually seen her, like by the highway, near the cemetery over the, the days before.

[00:17:27] So I don’t know how long she was. Out in the wild she’s. I mean, she’s like two months old. She’s she’s big enough. She’s weaned, but she can’t get very far on her own. So I don’t, I don’t know how this happened and she’s a long hair and she wasn’t super mad at w when, when we got her

[00:17:47] Christina: [00:17:47] So she hadn’t been out for that long.

[00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] have been out for too long.

[00:17:51]Anyway. So did you, did you ever get around to watching the flight attendant?

[00:17:57] Christina: [00:17:57] Yes, I haven’t finished it, but I, [00:18:00] but, but, but, but I’m, I’m, I’m very far into it and, and I’m at the point where I can talk about it and we wouldn’t want to spoil it for people anyway.

[00:18:07] Brett: [00:18:07] I will, I will say this about the finale. It wraps things up enough that it makes me worry that there won’t be another season.

[00:18:17] Christina: [00:18:17] Yeah, I was going to ask about that because is this like, well, did you ever watch big little lies? Okay. Well it’s really good.

[00:18:25] Brett: [00:18:25] an episode, but I didn’t get very far with it.

[00:18:27] Christina: [00:18:27] Okay. I was going to say, I don’t know if that would be a show for you or not. I think it’s fantastic. The first season is truly exceptional television. Uh, but I don’t know if it’s like a Bret show, like, um, L my, like it, um, it’s I don’t mean to be gendered with it because men can certainly enjoy it, but it definitely is.

[00:18:44]A show made for women. Um, uh, and, and not, not to say that again, men can’t enjoy it, but, uh, although the, the, the chief director and like show runner is a man, is, you know, based, it was adapted from a book written by a woman adapted by that woman, um, you [00:19:00] know, produced and starring women. Um, But the first season, you know, cause it was just a limited series thing.

[00:19:08] And so they adapted a book into kind of mini series, very successful, so successful that. They hired the writer to up the book, basically imagine more episodes got Meryl Streep on board and did like a second season, which, you know, kind of worked, but didn’t work as well as, you know, it’s just not one of those like kind of perfect things.

[00:19:34] Um, it kind of ended, I thought, I think at the right point, I haven’t read the book that the flight attendant is based on, but since it’s based on a book, I would imagine that. They probably did a similar thing where they’re like, okay, we’ve tied everything up because the book has, but in the back of their minds, they’re thinking this is Kayla Coco.

[00:19:52] This is one of our big HBO max shows. We would like to have this live on. So you’re saying you [00:20:00] want it to live on.

[00:20:01] Brett: [00:20:01] yeah, like I said, all w I won’t spoil anything for you. Um, but you know that the, the kind of subplot about the corporate espionage, they don’t wrap that up. It’s the only part of this story that doesn’t have this neat little bow on it. And I. I feel like a second season about that and that character wouldn’t be as compelling.

[00:20:30] So, and can I, can I, can I spoil one thing for you?

[00:20:34] Christina: [00:20:34] yeah, go ahead.

[00:20:35] Brett: [00:20:35] Uh, uh, Kayleigh’s character ends up in, in, in AA,

[00:20:41] Christina: [00:20:41] Okay,

[00:20:42] Brett: [00:20:42] so that, I mean, that’s a huge resolution to what is a major plot point is her drinking.

[00:20:49] Christina: [00:20:49] Yeah. No, without a doubt, without a doubt. Um, let’s talk about her from an, as an actress. She’s so good.

[00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Yeah. Um, I guess I [00:21:00] was, I don’t, she plays this kind of, um, brash, not sorority type, but like her character between the big bang and this aren’t exceptionally different.

[00:21:16] Christina: [00:21:16] No, they’re not, not even remotely. It is not a stretch.

[00:21:20] Brett: [00:21:20] her range.

[00:21:21] Christina: [00:21:21] Well,

[00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] in other stuff?

[00:21:23] Christina: [00:21:23] Uh, not really, she, she was on, no, she’s always kind of played the same role. Uh, she was on that, that, uh, John Rutter’s last TV show, um, you know, like, uh, um, you know, my teenage daughter or whatever it was called.

[00:21:38] Brett: [00:21:38] know.

[00:21:39] Christina: [00:21:39] Um, let me, let me find this, um,

[00:21:41]Brett: [00:21:41] The compelling part of our show where we’re both just typing on keyboards.

[00:21:46] Christina: [00:21:46] Yep. Exactly. I think th I think that, I think his final shows like how to date my, um, uh, eight simple rules

[00:21:53] Brett: [00:21:53] dieting. My daughter.

[00:21:55] Christina: [00:21:55] eight simple rules for dating my teenage daughter and, and, and they then renamed it eight simple rules after [00:22:00] he died unexpectedly. And like, he died like onset, like he had, like, he had like a myocardial infarction and, and then they didn’t diagnose it with the right thing at the hospital and he died.

[00:22:09] It was terrible. Um, but she was the, she was the star of that. She was the teenage daughter kind of the star of that. And, uh, and Katie’s a Siegel from, um, um, Married with children, you know, what was in that? And, uh, so that was her first thing. And then she was, went from that to big bang and she’s done some TV movies, I think.

[00:22:31] And she’s done a couple of, of comedies, but I mean, we talked about, we kind of mentioned this last time, like they were making 2 million or two and a half million an episode for a really long time. Like none of them ever have to work again, like genuinely like, like between, I mean, okay. Let’s pretend they weren’t getting mad, mad, mad money off the syndication, uh, which they are cause like the, the friends cast.

[00:22:56] If they’d never made a million, an episode would not have ever had to work again just from the [00:23:00] syndication royalties. But, but they, in addition to the syndication royalties also, we’re getting like massive checks like for years. So she genuinely never has to work again. Uh, which. I do actually find them like that.

[00:23:14] Impressive. When you take on a more challenging role that said you’re right. I don’t think the range, it’s a very similar character like this. You could see that penny, uh, darker, like more on edge penny. Right? Well, that’s what I mean, darker, right? Like, you know, penny who was like very much like. Had had been maybe a little more ambitious had actually gone through and, you know, instead of working at the cheesecake factory for all the time, but been like, ah, just be a flight attendant.

[00:23:42] And then it like really like leaned in on the partying a little bit more, right. Like if penny had gone to college and it just like, you know, and you know what I mean, had a little more ambition and, and just been a little bit harder, like would be the character. In in, in this that said, I still think she’s great in it.

[00:24:00] [00:23:59] Like, I don’t, I don’t think I I’m with you. I don’t think she knows. I don’t think she has a lot of brains, but I also feel like.

[00:24:06] Brett: [00:24:06] that one character very

[00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Perfectly well, and, and, and, and I, and I, and it was one of those things where, when I was watching the show, I was thinking about this because she bought it, she’s the producer.

[00:24:15] And so she, you know, it was the one who really spearheaded the project, uh, which I always find impressive. And it’s not uncommon actually, that women, especially women in their thirties and older have to do that. A lot of times, even high profile actresses like herself, if they don’t see roles, you know, that they want to play, they have to.

[00:24:35] Spend their own money and, and do it, you know, Reese Witherspoon is, has made that, um, clear for, for years now. Um, and she has an Oscar. Um, but, uh, I think that she recognized, obviously the book would be something that would make a good show and the way that she’s played it, it would be hard for, I mean, other actresses could do it, but it’s hard for me to imagine them like [00:25:00] being that like.

[00:25:01]For me being able to be that like drawn into the character. Like, I, it just feels to me like that is the character the way that she’s, she’s playing.

[00:25:09]Brett: [00:25:09] All right. Well, I’m glad you’re appreciating the show.

[00:25:12] Christina: [00:25:12] Yeah. Yeah. It’s really good. It’s really good. I have to say it was a little weird because the guy who played George on Grey’s anatomy, who I haven’t seen on TV in like a decade, um, is on it. He’s the brother, um, uh, Rosie price is really good. Um, um, Shasha Mamet who still can’t believe that, uh, David Mamet daughter is a good actress cause his wife is. Fucking terrible. Um, but his daughter is quite good. I’d say, uh, well done Lena Dunham again, can’t believe it, that that girls gave us Adam driver, but you know, this is the world we live in where we have to realize that fucking Lena Dunham for all the ways we want to drag her for being mediocre, average, whatever.

[00:25:58]Really fucking [00:26:00] cast, good people on her damn show and is also probably a really good writer in ways that are frustrating because she’s so inseparable.

[00:26:07] Brett: [00:26:07] So, so you like Adam driver? Okay. Me too.

[00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] That’s what I’m saying. That’s what I’m saying. Adam drivers fucking fantastic. And it’s annoying that Lena Dunham found everybody on girls actually.

[00:26:19] Like if you really think about it, like Alison Williams, no reason to be. In any way. Good. Right? Like Bri wise daughter, like that’s a complete in 100%, you’re you’re casting for this in part, because you know, then the, the, you know, a guy who was like lead anchor for NBC news is the dad, like, that’s absolutely an emphasis in higher now.

[00:26:42] I’m really fucking good. Like as gone on to do other stuff, you know, Joshua moment, Mammut like really fucking good. Like yeah. It’s frustrating. I was rewatching girls recently and I was like frustrated because the show’s insufferable in a lot of ways, but it’s also funny and good. And I’m like, God dammit, Lena Dunham.

[00:26:59] I really, [00:27:00] really hate that. I like your work. And I can’t even like being, I would like to not, but I don’t because she’s insufferable, but her work is really good. And she clearly had a really good eye for talent as evidenced by the fact that drivers going to win a fucking Oscar. And she just got her temp.

[00:27:17] Brett: [00:27:17] Are you familiar with John Oliver? Was Adam driver

[00:27:20] Christina: [00:27:20] Yes, I am. I love it so much.

[00:27:22] Brett: [00:27:22] He completely objectifies Adam driver it’s.

[00:27:25] Christina: [00:27:25] good. I,

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] the episode of, uh, last week tonight where he actually had Adam driver on to like. Scold him for objectifying him.

[00:27:35] Christina: [00:27:35] no, no. I missed that. I’ll have to find that. No, that’s. That’s that’s awesome. Uh, my friend Joanna is a writer on that show and, um, and so yeah, yeah, she, she worked at decibel and was a fantastic writer there and would write really funny bits and would do really funny things. And, uh, now she’s an Emmy winner, which is like the coolest thing.

[00:27:57] Yeah. Um, and she’s young. Right, [00:28:00] right, right. Like, like she, she was in her twenties when, when she got, um, that gig, I think she’s still in her twenties, but she’s, she’s really good. And so I always like, I, who knows like where that bit comes from, but that’s one of those things that I’m like, Oh, I could see Joanna, like continuing to push that narrative into things.

[00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] did we already talk about, uh, John Stewart coming back?

[00:28:22]Christina: [00:28:22] Uh, we did, um, cause he’s, he’s uh, doing his monthly w uh, I don’t know how we talked about how we’d missed him.

[00:28:30] Brett: [00:28:30] Yeah, well, I heard, and I can’t remember what network it was for, but he’s getting a show again.

[00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Isn’t it? Apple TV.

[00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] Yeah, I think it is. Yeah, you’re right. Definitely is. I can’t wait for that. I can’t, I I’ve been, I’ve been watching old, like the, the last two years of the daily show, uh, excluding the very last year. Like those are to me, like just peak daily show.

[00:28:58] And

[00:28:58] Christina: [00:28:58] Yeah, he was, he was like, [00:29:00] just on it.

[00:29:00] Brett: [00:29:00] YouTube and it’s amazing.

[00:29:03] Christina: [00:29:03] Yeah, no, he was just like on it. And we talked about this, I think last time that it’s just, um, nothing against Trevor Noah, but he just doesn’t have it.

[00:29:11] Brett: [00:29:11] I gave Trevor Noah a solid chance. Like I really wanted to like him, but I, I can’t, I can’t watch the daily show anymore.

[00:29:19]Christina: [00:29:19] Yeah. Yeah,

[00:29:21] Brett: [00:29:21] I’m just going to say it. I really wanted to like him. I really wanted to like the daily show still, but they still have

[00:29:29] Christina: [00:29:29] no, I mean, well, there’s just something to be said, you know, every, every host has their own take on it. And, and I, I respect that. They didn’t try to, you know, find somebody just like. John Stewart. I think the unfortunate thing for them is that by that point, John Oliver already was a thing. And at that point I really do feel like, and we talked about this before, but I think, I feel like all the alums of the daily show kind of created like, fill that vacuum because Trevor couldn’t,

[00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. I

[00:29:59] Christina: [00:29:59] all right, [00:30:00] sorry, go on.

[00:30:01] Brett: [00:30:01] Amber Ruffin, not, she’s not from the daily show, but, um, she’s she’s from, what’s his name? Uh, the late show guy

[00:30:09] Christina: [00:30:09] Right. Uh, yeah. Um, Stephen Colbert. Yeah.

[00:30:14]Brett: [00:30:14] no.

[00:30:15] Christina: [00:30:15] Craig Ferguson

[00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] former, um, former SNL, uh, news news update guy.

[00:30:23]Christina: [00:30:23] Jr. McDonald’s

[00:30:25] Brett: [00:30:25] No, Jesus, this isn’t that hard. Who were the major late night hosts.

[00:30:30] Christina: [00:30:30] Oh, Seth Myers.

[00:30:32] Brett: [00:30:32] Myers. Thank you. I knew you’d come through for me.

[00:30:35] Christina: [00:30:35] Yeah, sorry.

[00:30:36] Brett: [00:30:36] Uh, she was a Seth, Seth Meyers writer,

[00:30:39] Christina: [00:30:39] Oh, okay.

[00:30:40] Brett: [00:30:40] she has a peacock show and she’s delightful. I enjoy

[00:30:43] Christina: [00:30:43] That’s good. Okay. Seth Meyers, I have to say as much as like I’m with you. I’ve given up on Trevor Noah I’ve really come to appreciate and be impressed by Seth Meyers.

[00:30:55] Brett: [00:30:55] Yeah, I, there are parts of like, I enjoy the closer [00:31:00] look. I feel like they realized early on that people were tuning in just for the closer look. And the interviews were decent. I mean, as good as any interviews ever are. Um, but like the monologue and the closer look, he’s, he’s quite good at,

[00:31:18] Christina: [00:31:18] No. That’s what I mean. Yeah.

[00:31:20] Brett: [00:31:20] where he pauses between cue cards in the middle of a sentence, and I wish they would write his cue card. So they didn’t switch in the middle. It drives me nuts, but that said, yeah, I like

[00:31:32] Christina: [00:31:32] Yeah, no. And I agree with that. I really do feel like, like his, a closer look is the thing, like the interviews or whatever. I, I honestly feel like they can’t because of where it is. In the schedule. And part of those shows is the interview thing. Like that’s part of how you get that prime, you know, like that kind of like airtime or whatever is that publicists are saying, we’re going to be sending people to your show to promote stuff.

[00:31:55] And we want to buy advertising and whatnot. You know what I mean? Like you couldn’t [00:32:00] just make it, I don’t think on a major network. A closer look like you could on peacock, you could on HBO, you could have like comedy central, but I don’t think on NBC, you could write, like, I think you have to have the interviews, but yeah, that’s very much the secondary thing.

[00:32:14] Like that’s not, that’s not the primary part of it, whereas, you know, on Fallon and, um, on Kimmel and, and to a lesser degree on Colby, I think Colbert probably is the best mix, which is why, you know, he’s so good at it. Yeah. Uh, you know, those are very much driven by certainly, you know, James Corden, those are driven by the guest interaction.

[00:32:32] Whereas, um, uh, Seth Meyers is very much about that monologue and, and that’s a really, I think he nails it. I’ve actually been very impressed by it.

[00:32:41] Brett: [00:32:41] Have I talked about my, my recent new found appreciation for James cordon.

[00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] No.

[00:32:48] Brett: [00:32:48] I, I never really, like I had enough late shows to watch. I never got into the late show with James cordon, but, um, he is [00:33:00] he’s awesome. Like I. Now that I’ve given him a chance and the interaction between him and the band leader, whose name I forget.

[00:33:08] Um, the weird guy used to do, I think robot chicken. what is his name anyway? Like their interactions are amazing because he is a perfect, like weirdo straight guy to play off of. Um, Straight straight,

[00:33:27] Christina: [00:33:27] Reggie Watts.

[00:33:28] Brett: [00:33:28] Watts. Yes. Um,

[00:33:30] Christina: [00:33:30] I’ve met in person.

[00:33:32] Brett: [00:33:32] I’m a straight man in the sense of comedy. Not making any judgments

[00:33:37] Christina: [00:33:37] no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but, but, but, but I was just going to say like, when I, when I met him, like he was, cause it was. It was such a bizarre thing. It was him, Sarah Silverman, Michael Sarah, and, um, um, Tim from Tim and Eric. And, uh,

[00:33:52] Brett: [00:33:52] bang. That’s the show I was

[00:33:53] Christina: [00:33:53] yes. And, and that was what I was, was interviewing them about. And it was at South by Southwest.

[00:33:59] And I ended up [00:34:00] having to sit on a bar because they’re also tall. And Sarah Silverman like kept braiding my hair and, uh, It was, it was, it was great. It was great. It was very fun, but they were also all so funny in weird ways. And it was just sort of, uh, it was intimidating and maybe rushy. Boston’s great.

[00:34:18] Brett: [00:34:18] man, it’s been a lifetime goal of mine to meet Sarah Silverman.

[00:34:21]Christina: [00:34:21] She was really nice. Um, I did not piss her off. She, uh, uh, the girl that I’m kind of friends with who was also there, like reporting, pissed her off, um, and wanted her to do some stupid YouTube shit. And she was like, and she was like, I’m not doing that. And like, girl thought she was joking. And so room was like, not joking.

[00:34:40] Um, I, I kind of played it cool because. The day that it happened. It was like early in the morning, I was like eight o’clock in the morning. And like at this bar in Austin and it was right after daylight savings is w had switched. So we were all like an hour forward. And so we’d lost an hour and, you know, South by like you drink and like [00:35:00] party and like the whole thing.

[00:35:01] And so, you know, we’re there, it’s like seven o’clock in the morning. And like, I’m like looking in the mirror at the same time she was, and I was just like, calming. I was like, I was like, I’m so fucking hung over. Like, I can’t believe I’m here or whatever, you know, just trying to just kind of like, be like a normal person.

[00:35:12] Yeah. And so we kind of delved a little bit of rapport. So when I went to interview them, it wasn’t super awkward or whatever, but she was nice. Yeah.

[00:35:24] Brett: [00:35:24] Um, so before we switch over to what I hope is going to be a tech part of the show, I want to, I want to talk about vitamins. I have no segue for this, but our second spo