Open Late

Welcome to "Hey Babe, Can We Talk?" the go-to podcast for the Hot Mess Expresses, the Black Sheep's of Love, and those navigating the ups and downs in matters of the heart. I'm your bestie Drea Renee, the Queen of Romantic Disasters, and just like you she has ignored the red flags and done everything sideways! Whether you're happily coupled, single as a Pringle, or caught in a situationship... let's embark on real and candid conversations about the rollercoaster of relationships. It's time to get honest with ourselves and our partners. I’ve done everything wrong, so as a relationship survivor, let me help you do it right. Go grab your headphones and lets get into it!Listen on all podcast platforms: https://heybabecanwetalk.lnk.to/listenSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, there's a unique twist as Jess welcomes Drea Renee back to the studio. However, this time, after more than 2 years, Jess finds herself in the guest seat. It's a significant moment as the show introduces its new host, Drea, an expert specializing in love and dependency, who will be taking over Open Late Podcast while Jess is on maternity leave. They engage in a conversation about Jess's reflections on the future of Open Late and why Drea is the ideal substitute host for this period. They discuss the next steps for the podcast and provide insights into what Jess and Pasha's parenting style will look like. Drea shares her experience of seeing Pasha and Jess in the wild as a polyamorous couple, and they delve into the topic of people trying to protect someone they believe is being cheated on by their partner. As the episode concludes, Jess surprises Drea with a heartfelt gift to mark the beginning of her upcoming journey as the host, and she takes her last bow, at least for now.In this Episode of Open Late: New host of Open Late Delving into the podcast's future Exploring diverse parenting styles The dynamics of “protecting” a polyamorous friend Last Goodbyes and Firsts Welcome Backs Connect with Drea:• Instagram: @thedreareneeConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary00:30 It's official. I am taking over for Jess while she's on maternity leave. - Drea Renee2:45 I had the realization just a few weeks ago that being a mother is a short-lived little window. - Jessica Esfandiary4:43 I love a camera and a microphone. I'm always down for it. - Drea Renee9:28 I would love to sing to my babies, sing to them or write little songs for them. But I feel like writing will be something that'll be, like, manageable. - Jessica Esfandiary10:30 I Think is the exhilaration of like having this new love and watching Pasha become a father, that makes me so excited - Jessica Esfandiary12:43 If I could have a partner that is consistent, that knows me and that knows my circumstance and my relationship that's familiar, I think I would maybe go out here and there when time permits. - Jessica Esfandiary15:28 I want it to be fluid where it's not this thing where we sit our kids down one day. And we're like, we have something to tell you. Mommy and daddy are in an open relationship, we're not doing that. - Jessica Esfandiary16:22 Children learn what they live and they learn what love is based on what they see. - Jessica Esfandiary21:27 I like to split up my emotions because I think, like, jealousy is a little bit lazy. I think that there's envy, there's fear of abandonment, like all there micro emotions underneath it. - Jessica Esfandiary23:57 What's meant for you, won't miss you. The Universe does not fuck up - Jessica Esfandiary Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, after more than a year, Jess welcomes back Pasha, her husband and highly requested guest. Together, they open up about the challenges they've faced and conquered, sharing the intimate details of how they navigated and overcame the struggles that life threw their way. They explore the topic of workaholism, shedding light on how it can impact not only one's personal life but also their relationship, emphasizing the potential consequences when a relationship isn't actively nurtured. They speak openly about their decision to seek therapy, offering insights into why they embarked on this journey together and what they've learned along the way. They also express views on jealousy, discussing how to handle it and why confronting it is important. With the anticipation of their twins' arrival, Jess and Pasha take us through their preparations, they also share their biggest fears and concerns as they look ahead to becoming parents to two precious babies. Furthermore, Jess and Pasha generously devote time to respond to questions from their listeners, offering thoughtful and practical advice on a range of topics, including relationship dynamics and life's unpredictable twists and turns.In this Episode of Open Late: Raw insights and dynamics of a polyamorous marriage Overcoming personal challenges and addressing jealousy The impact of workaholism on your relationship Couples Therapy and why is it okay to seek it Preparations for the twins and the biggest fears Mentioned in the Episode:• Podcast: Your Partner is NOT your superheroConnect with Pasha:• Instagram: @pashaesfandiaryConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary5:18 We've always been like such an open book with each other, and that's always worked for us because we love open communication. We love to over communicate, and we never wanted to have any secrets. - Jessica Esfandiary6:20 I'm looking for something meaningful right now. I'm not looking for just hookups. - Pasha Esfandiary9:46 Specially moving into this season of becoming a mom is like, I know how sacred my energy is and I dont have a lot of it right now - Jessica Esfandiary 16:09 I think that I and you as well took our relationship for granted and didn't realize that it was like its own living organism that needed care and attention and focus truly, and that it needs to have like energy poured into it. - Jessica Esfandiary18:48 I think it's really important to know that I've made a massive effort that after five or 6:00, there's no work. - Pasha Esfandiary23:09 Jealousy is a tool and an indicator to something that you can work on that is deeper and more prevalent -Pasha Esfandiary40:33 At some point any new partner you get will not satisfy every single one of your needs to the way that we have dreamed up in our society. - Pasha Esfandiary44:08 Being with other people can create more desire and chemistry within your own relationship -Jessica Esfandiary 49:17 People become more understanding with education and just if you're authentic, they're going to be authentic too. - Pasha Esfandiary51:58 I do see myself coming back and see this show growing and evolving with me as I become a mom, a polyamorous mother of twins. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late, Jess goes solo and provides listeners with a personal life update. She shares her excitement and anticipation as her baby twins are nearing their arrival, and how this has triggered a profound transformation in all aspects of her life. As the Open Late Podcast celebrates its two-year anniversary, Jess reflects on the journey so far, highlighting the growth and evolution of the show. She offers insights into the preparations for her upcoming motherhood journey, giving listeners a glimpse into the challenges and joys that come with it. Jess also shares a snippet of her lactation journey, providing a glimpse into the unique experiences and challenges she's encountered as she prepares to welcome her twins. As a special treat, Jess has a big surprise in store for the end of the episode, ensuring that listeners will be in for an exciting and memorable conclusion. Join Jess on this deeply personal and celebratory episode of Open Late.In this Open Late episode: Jess's recent life update The imminent arrival of the twins Celebrating Open Late's 2nd Birthday Reflecting on the show's growth and evolution Embracing new beginnings Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary00:36 We are expecting twins very soon, and that has turned my life upside down and on its head in ways that I could never imagine. And I have grown so much as a woman just by preparing for these sweet, special little beings. – Jessica Esfandiary 2:27 Over the last two years, I have really interviewed all of the people that I wanted to. – Jessica Esfandiary 5:31 It's been a blast. And I've learned and I've grown so much by doing this. – Jessica Esfandiary 6:56 The decision was not an easy one in the beginning, but the closer I get to the birth of my babies, the more clear it becomes that I want to focus solely on motherhood. – Jessica Esfandiary 7:32 I am a relationship junkie, and I know that the relationship that I have with my son and daughter will be the most important. – Jessica Esfandiary 9:03 Open Late podcast is actually not going away. I'm just going to hibernate in these days with my breast pump and breastfeeding two babies at once. – Jessica Esfandiary 10:44 Because as I've mentioned here many times, Pasha and I do not plan on closing our relationship. We both have previous partners that are still friends in our lives, that still come in and out of our lives, and something were to happen, I want you all to be the first to know about it. – Jessica Esfandiary 13:49 Thank you for understanding that this is such a major life shift for me and I want to be as present as possible for it. You know, this podcast, it really changed me. – Jessica Esfandiary14:19 So thank you, for helping me own my choices as a woman and the way that I love publicly. – Jessica Esfandiary14:36 I've had to grow as a woman owning who I am, owning my sexuality and owning my non-monogamy publicly has been one of the greatest gifts of my life, and it's really helped shape who I am and shape how I see the world and more than anything, I feel complete in this part of the journey. – Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess sits down with Lolo Urbiztondo, Jess's former partner and best friend. They share recent updates on their lives, with Lolo recounting her journey of falling in love with her current partner and the profound realization of being in love. Jess reflects on the transformative changes she's experiencing as she prepares for the arrival of her babies. The episode's second part revisits the classic "Asking for a Friend" style. Jess and Lolo offer thoughtful responses to questions from their listeners, covering a range of significant themes. They explore the importance of seeking and trying therapy, the value of understanding how to date oneself, and how self-discovery plays a pivotal role in determining one's desires in a relationship. Additionally, they delve into the significance of trusting oneself and evaluating the strength of a relationship. In this episode of Open Late, Newest Life Updates Lolo's current love story Jess's reflections on impending motherhood Importance of dating yourself first Building strong relationships and JOMO “Joy of Missing Out” Connect with Lolo• Instagram:@lolo_urbiztondo Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:30 I saw him and there was this energetic pull I felt. – Lolo Urbiztondo 14:13 My kids will know that we had a former relationship. It's something I will never going to hide. – Jessica Esfandiary 15:13 We will remain open, we are not closing our relationship just because we are having kids. – Jessica Esfandiary 19:01 You are in the presence with your partner, and it's important to remember not to project your past and experiences that were traumatic on to your current relationship, because when you do that you make your partner wrong for the things that happened to you in the past. – Jessica Esfandiary 21:30 There are so many things to explore, and every different kink dynamic has a full spectrum. – Jessica Esfandiary 30:27 A good relationship with promise, or a partner that is showing up and its also doing the work, keeps me motivated. But if the other person isn’t engaging, the way that you are in this healthy way than I am unmotivated. – Jessica Esfandiary31:54 I look at it as like when you are in partnership you are in this love temple together and you are both adding in love deposits. – Lolo Urbiztondo36:05 For me dating myself hardcore was listening to the things I always wanted to do and checking them off my list. – Lolo Urbiztondo40:32 When you can look at everything that happens to you, even if it really sucks and hurts, as like happening for you and not to you, you start to look at life as a gift - Jessica Esfandiary43:34 A quality person is going to create safety in your relationship whether they are with someone else as a primary or not-Jessica Esfandiary49:18 The crazy thing about non monogamy is that it's not about this new person. A lot of people think it is “oh I have such a great connection with this new person” but the truth is new person brings out a side of you that you love that you haven't experienced in awhile. – Jessica Esfandiary 50:00 We live in a society and a culture that is geared towards monogamy where people think that this is the norm and so it's really hard for people to break out the box. – Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Drea Renee, a close friend of Jessica's and an expert specializing in love and dependency. Sobriety takes the spotlight as they explore Drea's personal journey and her realization of a love addiction problem. They delve into the significance of S.L.A.A. (Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous) in addressing dependency issues within relationships. Drea shares insights into the support and tools provided by this program. As the conversation unfolds, they address the challenge of losing one's identity within a partnership, the innate longing for love, and the pursuit of authentic love acceptance. Non-monogamy becomes a thought-provoking subject, with discussions revolving around its potential impact on love addiction. Drea provides valuable guidance for those who suspect they might be struggling with partner addiction, and offer practical steps and insights to help individuals navigate these challenging emotions.In this Episode of Open Late: From sobriety to love addiction Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous Understanding your addiction Challenges of losing one's identity in a relationship Consideration of non-monogamy's impact on love addiction Mentioned in the Episode:• Podcast: Your Partner is NOT your superhero• Podcast: How to Recognize Codependency in Your Relationship• SLAA quiz: The 40 Questions for Self-DiagnosisConnect with Drea Renee:• Instagram: @thedreareneeConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary1:30 Love addiction it's like any other addiction, if you have an alcohol addiction, gambling, food, when that becomes all consuming, it becomes your entire life. - Drea Renee3:08 When I got sober, its like with any addiction, it doesn't change your wiring. You just stop doing one thing and that laser focus goes to something else. - Drea Renee5:21 I wanted to be with him so badly that I was like “I'm just going to be a part of you”. Whatever you want me to be, I'll be, so I can get you to love me. - Drea Renee6:44 My parents divorced when I was seven and my mum had me really, really young. So it's like kids growing up with kids, not really knowing how to emotionally evolve and other things the proper way. - Drea Renee7:54 Awareness is one thing,but you must put into practice completely new ways of being. - Jessica Esfandiary13:07 You're addicted to the chemistry in your body. That adrenaline, dopamine. Everything that happens when you're in fight or flight, when you feel like you have the thing that you want. And if you don't have the thing that you want, you're going to die. - Jessica Esfandiary17:00 Sometimes I wish you could just get somebody a flashcard. Like these are my strengths, these are my weaknesses. Just take a look. And if you don't want to, give it back. - Drea Renee18:30 The relationship that you have for the first two years is something entirely different, it is its own beast. And you will never have it again. - Jessica Esfandiary20:17 In some ways with like dating apps, everything is so deliverable and so fast that it makes it challenging to take your time. - Jessica Esfandiary23:49 Your partner is not your superhero. - Jessica Esfandiary31:49 Being in a room with a lot of other people that are going through the same thing was so helpful. - Drea ReneeTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this Bonus episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess continues her conversation with Robbie Garippo, a close friend of Jessica and Pasha. This episode delves into an intriguing array of topics that touch upon the intricacies of human intimacy and connection. First, they embark on a candid discussion about the frequency of masturbation, seeking to strike a balance that fosters both physical well-being and emotional health. Then they take a deeper turn into the multifaceted world of orgasms and explore the fascinating interplay between the mind and body in the experience of these intense moments of pleasure and release.In this Episode of Open Late: Healthy frequency of masturbating Orgasms through the brain and body Biological Life force Starting a book club Mentioned in the Episode:• Book: The Way of the Superior Man by David DeidaConnect with Robbie Garippo:• Instagram: @robbefrancescoConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary1:36 To have orgasms through the brain and body actually lead to a greater, more fulfilling, passionate relationship with your lover in the world. - Robbie Garippo2:30 Essentially for men when you ejaculate you're basically giving in to your lower level passions. - Robbie Garippo3:10 When you give in to those primal instincts so easily. It kind of echoes how you are, how you'll be in your life, in relationships. - Robbie Garippo5:15 There's a buildup of tension in the release of tension. And so if you can take that tension instead of just releasing it, take it really high and circulate it, then you really start to tap into a true power. - Robbie Garippo6:00 People resist high amounts of pleasure. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess sits down with Robbie Garippo, a close friend of Jessica and Pasha, who has been part of their team and family for many years. They touch on the significance of therapy and how it has played a vital role in their lives. Robbie opens up about a hard breakup he endured, shedding light on the transformative impact it had on his personal growth. They delve into the realm of traumatic childhood experiences, exploring the complexities of giving and receiving love. They explore the dynamics of relationships, drawing a distinction between short-term casual encounters and long-term committed partnerships. They also talk about the concept of masculine and feminine energies within our bodies, as they reflect on the importance of understanding and balancing these aspects of ourselves.In this Episode of Open Late: The importance of therapy A transformative experience after a challenging breakup Unhealthy relationship with receiving love Exploring masculine and feminine body energies An attractive and safe way to take charge Mentioned in the Episode:• Book: The Way of the Superior Man by David DeidaConnect with Robbie Garippo:• Instagram: @robbefrancescoConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:51 I'm a guy that wants the most out of life. Just wants to be happy, constantly working on myself. I'm a work in progress. - Robbie Garippo6:05 Going through a breakup really made me look inward. I had no idea issues with my father, issues with my mother, and which was leading to issues in my every relationship in my life. - Robbie Garippo10:07 Our bodies truly store anything that happens to you that is traumatic or that is unsettling, especially as a child, because you don't really have the proper tools to deal with it, or you've been taught that you can't express emotion. - Jessica Esfandiary14:49 There's only so much that the body can also relearn or integrate in that moment. The brain needs time the same way that like as people, we can be active or resting and we actually need both and the rest is just as valuable because it's the integration. - Jessica Esfandiary19:42 I can't really truly give my gift to my woman or the world unless I'm really standing in my divine masculinity. - Robbie Garippo25:23 I'm finding it very empowering to myself because I'm stepping into these relationships fully, authentically me and unapologetically me and not like thinking about them, but I'm really thinking about me. And I've never done that before - Robbie Garippo26:42 All have masculine and feminine inside of us and we can all play to those different energies, like I can embody a lot of my masculine side. - Jessica Esfandiary27:28 Desire and chemistry is really the tension between polarity and like sameness. - Jessica Esfandiary46:51 When you're frustrated, you get taken out of a very aligned, calm state and you get into an activated state where you are not your best self. And when we're speaking from that place, we're not speaking in an open hearted and clear way. We're speaking from hurt. -Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess continues her conversation with Dr. Wednesday Martin, a bestselling author and renowned sexpert. Wednesday's mission is to help women feel less weird in their desires and experiences. Their discussion delves into various models of desire and arousal, the measurement of responsive desire, and the controversy surrounding the term "ethical non monogamy." The profound influence of language on our emotions and learning is another intriguing topic they explore. Wednesday Martin demystifies menopause, highlighting the contrast between its portrayal and the reality women experience. They also delve into Wednesday's book, "Untrue," which provides incredible insights into women's desires and relationships. To conclude, they share an exciting revelation about a more effective position for sexual stimulation and a deeper understanding of the complexities of desire and relationships.In this Episode of Open Late: Desire models and controversy Measuring responsive desire The impact of language on emotions and learning The reality of Menopause Research in understanding relationships Connect with Dr. Wednesday Martin:• Instagram: @wednesdaymartinphd• Website: http://wednesdaymartin.com• Book: “UNTRUE” http://wednesdaymartin.com/books/untrue/ Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:12 We had one model of sexual desire and it was a linear model and it went from arousal to desire to orgasm in a straight line. But we learned that desire is more complicated for both men and women than we thought it was, That it's not just a linear process. - Dr. Wednesday Martin7:32 I thought, I have a big sexual appetite. And then I learn that that's normal and also to be reminded that the misinformation that we share is so damaging and disempowering not just to women, but to everyone. - Jessica Esfandiary7:04 It's so empowering as a woman to learn that having a big sexual appetite is normal - Jessica Esfandiary8:40 You and I are very fortunate. We're not more ethical than other people. We're fucking lucky that we live in a culture where we can say, “Listen, monogamy is not working for me, it's working for us. let's do something about this” and we won't get killed for it. Not every woman is so lucky. - Dr. Wednesday Martin11:25 A lot of practitioners, especially men of what they call ethical non-monogamy, have been socialized away from communication and they have been socialized away from talking about feelings and being. - Dr. Wednesday Martin27:51 One of my biggest agenda is to help women feel less weird about who they are with science and data. It's one thing if you say to a woman, Oh, no, no, honey, it's okay. If you want to be non-monogamous, that's normal. It's another thing if you back it up with 250 studies in peer review or peer journals, about the social and sexual behavior of non-human primates. - Dr. Wednesday MartinTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Dr. Wednesday Martin, a New York Times bestselling author and renowned sexpert known for her work on parenting, step-parenting, female sexuality, motherhood, and popular culture. Their discussion is a deep dive into various aspects of human nature and sexuality. Wednesday introduces us to the world of bonobos, shedding light on how these primates offer insights into our own social and sexual behaviors. She also delves into the fascinating world of regression analysis, a powerful statistical tool that helps uncover patterns and insights in her research. The conversation takes a historical turn as Wednesday discusses how the advent of agriculture transformed the roles of women in societies and continues to shape gender dynamics today. They also explore female anatomy and the concept of the "girl boner," highlighting the complexity of female sexual pleasure and arousal.In this Episode of Open Late: Human nature and sexuality Regression analysis Dominant female species and evolution to experience pleasure The impact of agriculture on women's roles and gender dynamics Female anatomy and the "girl boner" Connect with Dr. Wednesday Martin:• Instagram: @wednesdaymartinphd• Website: http://wednesdaymartin.com• Book: “UNTRUE” http://wednesdaymartin.com/books/untrue/ Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary7:23 The means of production shifting from either at-home agriculture, stick and poke agriculture or hunting and gathering that transition to plow culture changed our beliefs radically about who women and men are, including that men became more sexually entitled and privileged. – Dr. Wednesday Martin12:16 After the agricultural shift, for some women who had dependent children, they were looked at if they were not bringing home the calories, if they were not bringing home the bacon, they had less power relative to men who were doing it. – Dr. Wednesday Martin15:54 In the long arc of human evolution, inequality is a recent aberration. Women being subjugated is a recent aberration in the long arc of human equality. – Dr. Wednesday Martin16:28 Women being subjugated is a recent aberration in the arc of human evolution. – Dr. Wednesday Martin21:51 We are more closely related to bonobos than we are to chimps. – Dr. Wednesday Martin22:21 We evolved from a female-dominant species where the females are remarkably promiscuous and they would rather have sex with other females than with a male, and that's how they build their social power. – Dr. Wednesday Martin25:29 We evolved as super flexible, sexual and social strategist, that means we can thrive in a number of situations. – Dr. Wednesday Martin25:42 Our organs and where everything is placed, how we function, and how we experience pleasure really do point to the fact that we come from a long line of society where we would have multiple sex partners. - Jessica Esfandiary37:42 A female chimp who has a very abject, dangerous life, and they get beaten by males and by other females, low-ranking female chimps. They will risk death at the hands of a dominant male who leaves their troop and goes wandering, goes out there, finds a male who is a stranger, and copulates with him. – Dr. Wednesday MartinTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Angelika Alana Drake, a guide to relational and erotic intelligence. Their discussion revolves around daily practices of inner self-devotion and their impact on inner energetic levels. Angelika delves into how we perceive sex and the types of attachments we form. She explains that as we reach certain levels of understanding, we can approach sex in more emotionally connected ways. Angelika also explores how sex can facilitate healing from sexual trauma and the concept of sexual self-actualization. The conversation touches upon the idea of erotic innocence and how our fears influence our parenting. They also delve into the significance of committing to intimacy and the importance of prioritizing sex within relationships.In this Episode of Open Late: Daily Devotion and Unlocking Your Inner Mastery Healing Through Sexual Self-Actualization Exploring Erotic Innocence Prioritizing sex and a Commitment to Intimacy Finding power and Unleashing Female Strength without risk Connect with Angelika Alana Drake:• Instagram: @angelikaalana• Website: https://www.angelikaalana.com/• Podcast:Awakened Love: https://www.podpage.com/awakened-love/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary1:41 I just felt like you had this calmness to you, this centeredness that nothing could really throw you off. - Jessica Esfandiary 4:21 I really do believe that every single human is capable of actualizing their fullest energetic potential through devotion to practice. -Angelika Drake 5:12 We have the fundamental basic physical needs for safety and security, and then we move into emotional needs and then a sense of belonging and significance. Then we move up, up, up until we get to that tip of the triangle, which is self-actualization. - Angelika Drake11:36 It's interesting to look at sex in a strategic way, the same way we would a devotional spiritual practice. It's the business of health. - Jessica Esfandiary19:30 If a kid is masturbating in public, we do want to give them social programming, that isn't what we do. It's not a safe or appropriate thing to do, but without shaming them, that act itself or that they themselves are somehow wrong or bad. Being able to talk about safe spaces and safety and that you can touch anywhere on your own body, but no one else should touch your body, And if an adult ever touches your body, you come to me and you can tell me and you will never get in trouble. - Angelika Drake 23:00 Purity is a trap. Purity is not just all good and all light. Purity is wholeness and wholeness includes and transcends to get to pure light. We include all colors, all experiences in the whole - That's wholeness. It's an inclusion and a sense of connection. But in order to be connected to these parts of ourselves, they have to be in our conscious awareness. - Angelika Drake35:18 We live in a society where our bodies are the problem. Women as they're starting to develop, it's like, oh, that we have to cover that up. Pull your skirt down and don't touch it. And it's going to cause a problem and it's going to get you hurt. -Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess talks to you in another Solo Episode. She answers the listeners' questions from the public Q&A she shared on her social media. She explains the importance of getting feedback and what makes the show improve. Likewise, she talks about how her background in the entertainment industry helped her build her self-confidence, leading to her ability to speak publicly about her open relationship. In this episode of Open Late:• Importance of getting feedback• Love for acting and building your self-confidence• New relationship energy and knowing your balance • Fear of telling your closed group friend and how to approach it• Need for a community that understands and the ability to say noConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary•Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form 3:37: Not many people on the planet have the same safety and security situation. - Jessica Esfandiary.3:54: My livelihood is not at stake if somebody finds out I am in a polyamorous marriage. - Jessica Esfandiary.5:36: Acting was the love of my life before I met my husband. - Jessica Esfandiary.8:17: Anything that feels addicting and intoxicating, you want to moderate a little bit. - Jessica Esfandiary.10:42: If we don't have the right serotonin balance, we might forget to do things like feeding ourselves or going to the gym. So think about your own health and well-being first. - Jessica Esfandiary.11:06: The moment you sacrifice your own practice and routine is when you get out of balance. - Jessica Esfandiary.13:50: Until we have more visibility and representation in media, culture, and educational settings about relationships, it will continue to be feared and seen as something that won't work. - Jessica Esfandiary.17:51: Having conversations that feel uncomfortable can be valuable as they create more intimacy. - Jessica Esfandiary.20:42: This evolution is constantly churning, much like a snake that sheds its skin and is reborn. - Jessica Esfandiary.21:58: I didn't have much sexual confidence before meeting my husband. In fact, I allowed men to choose me. I started relationships with people who wanted to hook up with me, and then I would try to make them my boyfriend. - Jessica Esfandiary.22:31: Maybe once or twice, I was bold enough to say, "I want to hook up with that guy," and I actually went and did it. - Jessica Esfandiary.28:14: Sometimes, mismatched desires can be a deal-breaker. - Jessica Esfandiary.Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jessica reconnects again with Shelby Terrell, an intimacy coordinator and current MSW Candidate, on the path of becoming a sex and relationship therapist. They explore the experiences of growing up as Mormons and the challenges of reconciling their personal beliefs with the faith. They candidly discuss the shame associated with sexuality, particularly masturbation, and how it affected their self-perception and relationships. Likewise, they emphasize the importance of embracing vulnerability to promote healing and personal growth. Deconstructing traditional relationship norms, they share their own journeys of self-discovery and finding fulfillment outside societal expectations. Shelby opens up about her marriage coming to an end, and the episode also touches on the concept of an ideal relationship, the benefits of couples therapy and deeper understanding of vulnerability's power in breaking down barriers and cultivating meaningful connections.In this Episode of Open Late:the Experience of Growing Up as a MormonThe Nuances of Self-Gratification and difference between private vs shamefulDeconstructing Conventional Relationship IdealsEmbracing Self-Discovery and Sexual FulfillmentExploring the Realm of Kinky and BDSMPrevious Episode with Shelby:On-Screen Intimacy Coordinator Shelby Terrell: Open Late Episode 85Connect with Shelby Terrell:• Instagram: @theshelbyterrellConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com• YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:30 A lot of the public school policies, such as dress codes and the cultural environment of the schools, were based on Mormon protocols, ethics, and values. There was a lot of shame and judgment and guilt placed on it because as a socialized female woman growing up in Utah, my job is to be a partner and procreate. - Shelby Terrell8:50 People who grew up in a purity culture often find that shame manifests itself in various ways. For some, it's a struggle, while for others, it leads to acting out. - Jessica Esfandiary9:37 I was using the guise of privacy, what I thought were private matters. In reality, I was being secretive and carrying a sense of shame. I convinced myself that labeling something as private would justify it, but upon reflection, I realized it was driven by my feelings of shame. - Shelby Terrell25:09 We had a threesome, and it was really wonderful and great. And then afterwards I was immediately like “We can't tell anyone”.When they asked why, I responded, 'This is my private life.' It was at this point that the distinction between shame and privacy became evident, and I realized the impact of my sexual trauma from growing up Mormon was resurfacing. - Shelby Terrell36:14 With the ongoing revolution of sexual expression, positivity, education, and the exploration of non-monogamy and polyamory, one can hope for a positive impact rippling through those who are curious but may have been hesitant due to their more traditional inclinations. As a result, relationships in general could potentially become significantly healthier. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire ResortsThis is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Joe and Reese, hosts of the Poly By Nature podcast. They discuss their transition from monogamy to polyamory and why it was important in order to keep their relationship organic. They delve into the natural flaws experienced by newly opened couples and share insights on raising kids in an open relationship. Joe and Reese open up about introducing polyamory to their teenage children and how being open enhances communication and personal growth. By embracing this lifestyle, Joe, Reese, and Jess highlight how it has positively impacted their lives and reshaped their perspectives on love and relationships. The discussion extends to preparing their children for future relationships with an open mind and a non-judgmental attitude. Lastly, they reveal their exciting plans for the near future with the podcast.In this Episode of Open Late:From infidelity to polyamoryNavigating freshly open relationshipIntroducing polyamory to teenage kidsOpenness enhances communication and growthExciting plans for the futureConnect with Poly By Nature:• Instagram: @polybynaturepodcast• Podcast: Poly By Nature Podcast• Website: https://www.polybynature.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com• YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary5:10 Monogamy was like, you know, you get together, you commit to each other and say, I'm only being with you. You have a couple of kids and you just live life happily ever after. And our happily ever after wasn't coming fast enough for me. Joe11:30 We started with me thinking that I had to find someone that fit both of us immediately and fast. Like I need to go out and find a friend that makes sense for both of us. And she's got to be just as cool as Reese. Joe19:19 In the beginning of my poly journey, I thought it was geared towards sex. When I first looked it up, it was super glorified into a sexual connotation. But the whole world, when you start to talk about social media in the presence of what poly shows, it shows itself on a very sexual level. Joe21:08 Entertainment and media sensationalize and over sexualize everything. And that clears the picture on why for so many people a sexual relationship may be the only way that they see to intimacy. I don't think we grow up with a lot of role models of healthy intimacy, healthy relationships that might be platonic polyamory or whatever it is. - Jessica Esfandiary28:45 I want my children to know and to learn. I don’t think they will be poly, but I think that in the day, at least they'll be able to walk into relationships, monogamous or poly with an open mind and just simply says, okay, here's my boundaries, here's what I want from this relationship, here's how I want to grow from it, and here's what I can give you and be fine with that. Joe34:17 Hey, this is a relationship that you're having. That's yours. You know, I can listen to some of it, but some of it is private between you two. And keep those two things private because, you know, she may not want me to know some of these things, not in the bad way, but more in a respectful way of, you know, relationships separations at that point. Joe36:08 So many women are conditioned to believe that sexual intimacy and exclusivity should be really important to them because it's like what society teaches us. Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire ResortsThis is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We’re back again with Alexys part 2 in Asking For A Friend! The girls continue the conversation by talking about jealousy and how your partner flirting with a different person does not immediately mean attraction. Alexys opens up owning a small business, the mental struggles that come with it, and why she decided to go part-time. Alexys asks Jess raw questions about her upcoming "stepping into motherhood" and why people connect Polyamory with "white people shit".In this episode of Open Late:• Understanding the truth about flirting • Owning a small business and "monetizing" your passions• Stepping into Motherhood and having hard conversations with your kids• "White people shit" and different cultural views on PolyamoryConnect with Alexys:• Instagram: @cakesbyalexysCynthia's Nixon viral “Be a Lady They Said” Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ZSDS7zVdUConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary3:15 Emotional intelligence, just from my end, shows up in a way that is authentic. - Alexys Calhoun4:02 After an argument with my partner, I had to tell him “You don't always have to fix it. I just didn't like your tone”. - Alexys Calhoun5:12 We oversexualize everything in this country. – Jessica Esfandiary17:03 Women are more coded. Like we are afraid to reveal ourselves. – Jessica Esfandiary18:15 I’m a direct person, which is apparently not okay when you have a vagina. - Alexys Calhoun22:50 You don't have to monetize your passion. - Alexys Calhoun25:38 It is great when a woman can take something and catapult into a new realm. – Jessica Esfandiary 26:53 And if you don't want to show it. That's okay too. - Alexys Calhoun29:25 If your only argument is that "it's not okay for the kids", then you are probably not a good parent because you cannot have those open dialogues with your kids. - Alexys Calhoun32:58 If you look at the nuclear family, you are just seeing people that are way under-resourced, barely surviving. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Get ready for a heart-to-heart chat that will make you feel like you just hung out with your two best girlfriends! In this episode of our new series, ASKING FOR A FRIEND, Jess sits down with Alexys Calhoun. Alexys is her former personal assistant, a long-time friend, and owner of CakesByAlexys. The girls go into the importance of women celebrating other women and how understanding yourself can help you raise your standards. They also look at the principles of non-monogamy and how people's perception of you changes when they find out you are open.In this episode of Open Late:• Celebrating other women and raising your standards• Group "Mom" energy • How to balance sobriety and going out• Principles of non-monogamy and other’s misinformed perceptions of CNMConnect with Alexys:• Instagram: @cakesbyalexysConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary 5:59 You helped me step into my hot girl era before I even knew it was happening. - Jessica Esfandiary8:29 Don't be too big, don't overshadow anybody. Growing up in a society that was like don't take up too much space, embracing sexuality was taboo. - Jessica Esfandiary9:36 This is the year of cringe, and we are going to embrace it.- Alexys Calhoun14:29 I am enough on my own, and there is no competition. - Jessica Esfandiary15:31 I want more for everybody. Like I hope in 10 years, women are like, "You put that woman down?; we don't do that anymore!" - Alexys Calhoun19:04 I take naked photos with the idea it's art, not sex. - Jessica Esfandiary20:09 I would just look in the mirror and tell myself I am beautiful even though I didn't think it for the longest time. - Alexys Calhoun21:25 For a long time, I thought I had to be a role model. - Jessica Esfandiary24:09 These days, I’m taking a step back and trying to be an ear to somebody rather than giving them my opinion. - Alexys Calhoun31:28 Non-Monogamy is great, but some people can find it weird. And I am like, "It's weird for you; it's not weird for them." - Alexys Calhoun33:39 Not “letting” your partner do something stems from the belief that you own your partner. - Jessica Esfandiary35:10 Keeping constantly away your desires and attraction from your partner will erode your own confidence, self-esteem and your relationship. - Jessica Esfandiary39:05 If you really love somebody and you want to hold them to their greatness, let them decide how they wanna handle the information. - Jessica Esfandiary Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Frank Smith, a queer writer and actor known for his work on the show "Open To It." Throughout their conversation, they delve into the origins of the show, discussing how it all began and the challenges they had to face along the way. As the discussion progresses, Jess and Frank touch upon personal aspects of his life, specifically when Frank and his partner made the decision to open up about his relationship. They explore the process of creating a show "Open To It" and how they handle filming intimate scenes, shedding light on the behind-the-scenes aspects of production. They talk about how the world reacted to the show's content and the impact it had on those who were a part of Frank's life. Frank opens up about how the show may have influenced or altered his relationship in some shape or form, sharing positive outcomes that arose from it. For those interested in watching "Open To It" and keeping up with upcoming events.In this Episode of Open Late: Coming up with an idea for a show Challenges of creating a queer comedy series Behind the scenes of filming intimate scenes Frank's “secret” proposal story “Where to watch” and upcoming events Mentioned in the Episode:Please Like me - Television Comedy Drama: Please Like MePleasure Podcast: Sex Talk With My MomOn-Screen Intimacy Coordinator Shelby Terrell: Open Late Episode 85Connect with Frank Smith:• Instagram: @frank.arthur.smith• Watch Open To It: https://www.opentoitseries.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:31 I did write the first episode as a short film originally and submitted to a couple of competitions, where one literally said to me, this is too gay and too gross. I was like, okay, well, you know what? My show is too gay, and is too gross. And this is exactly what I'm going to do right now. – Frank Smith4:52 a lot of times the way that we would communicate it or, you know, whether you're writing it or sharing your vision, you know, or even like putting together a whole storyboard, sometimes it's just not going to come to life for someone else, or it does in a way that's through their filter, through their lens. – Jessica Esfandiary34:12 But I'm really proud of what we're doing. We've gotten the chance to showcase a lot of different types of people. We just had like in episode eight, we have a love interest and had a deaf director and an ASL interpreting crew, so I'm just really pleased with how we keep getting to showcase more and more people that are part of it. – Frank Smith39:16 I just love hearing about these things when people who live sort of outside the box, being poly or whatever, being non-monogamous, coloring outside the lines all the time when you do something that's traditional. – Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this special episode of the Open Late Podcast, celebrating her 9-year anniversary, Jess recounts the heartwarming story of how she woke up that morning, and unexpectedly found herself in a surprise wedding, making her a married woman by the end of the day. She takes us back to the beginning of her relationship with Pasha, admitting that she initially thought he might only be a rebound after her last breakup. She also shares the touching moment when Pasha surprised her with a proposal, followed shortly after by an intimate and magical surprise wedding surrounded by their closest friends. She reflects 10 years back, and wonders what her response would have been if someone had asked her whether she believed she would be in an open, polyamorous relationship today.In this Episode of Open Late: Surprise proposal on Anniversary The beginnings of Jess and Pasha Unexpected but perfect Wedding Reflects on open relationship possibility Mentioned in the Episode: Pregnancy. Changes. EverythingConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary1:47 The day that I woke up, the day that I got married. - Jessica Esfandiary3:21 I had just gotten out of a three and a half year relationship that was really toxic, that was very limiting. It was stunting for my growth or my expression, for my sexuality. I just wanted fun and I probably wanted a little bit of danger, too, to be honest. And so he was ripe for the picking. - Jessica Esfandiary3:45 We had a mutual friend that introduced us, and she actually forbade us from dating. So, I mean, that made the whole thing even hotter. - Jessica Esfandiary7:08 I remember we had bought this journal and we decided that we would write to each other on our anniversary every year, and it was going to be a gift to each other back and forth. And we would do it for the whole time that we were together for the rest of our lives, apparently. I didn't know that. - Jessica Esfandiary8:08 He proposes with this beautiful band and I instead say. Yes, there's like not a bone in my body that's confused about wanting to spend my life with this man. - Jessica Esfandiary8:19 When we did decide to be together, it was like, this is my life partner. And that first year of our relationship was easy, breezy, beautiful, blissful. And you know, relationships don't last that way forever, especially long term committed ones. But that first year was incredible. - Jessica Esfandiary18:12 When we officially started to date and there was exclusivity in our relationship. I knew that I would easily spend my life with this man and that he was the most driven and the most committed to his own growth. And that's what I was really looking for in a partner. And I didn't want to settle for less than crazy and love, which I was with him. - Jessica Esfandiary19:13 If you asked me the night of my wedding, like, do you think that your relationship is open or do you think you're going to open it or do you think you'll be polyamorous? I didn't even know what polyamory was, so the answer would be no. - Jessica Esfandiary20:29 That is the story of how I had a surprise wedding and I went to bed a married woman on a day that I woke up and I wasn't even engaged. So if you want to know who's the most confident man in the world and also who's the most spot on in the world, it's Pasha. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jess continues her conversation with Irene Morning, the author of "The Polyamory Paradox." They delve into the topic of contemplating polyamory while understanding our personal triggers and its impact. Additionally, they discuss the importance of comprehending our partners' perspectives and avoiding pressuring them into “closing back the relationship”. Instead, encouraging open communication to address any issues that arise. They explore the concept of unsolvable problems that may arise in polyamorous relationships, as well as the feelings of isolation. They also explore the process of finding and building communities with like-minded individuals.In this Episode of Open Late: Understanding your triggers The unsolvable problems of relationship Control vs. Containment Sex positive spaces and people's perception Finding and building up like-minded communities Connect with Irene Morning:• Instagram: @irene_morning• Book: The Polyamory Paradox• Website:https://www.irenemorning.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:05 Particularly from people who know that they have some amount of trauma in their history, who identify with a complex PTSD diagnosis or know that mental health has been a struggle for them of thinking I really love some of the concepts in polyamory and I love the things that I've read about it, but I'm so afraid that for me it's untenable because I'll just get too triggered. – Irene Morning14:20 It makes me think about the monogamous relationships actually that I'm seeing transform based on some of these principles of non-monogamy that will never likely be non-monogamous, never open, but are using the tools of, like you know, seeing yourself as a whole person, being your partner as a whole person, and not expecting them to fill all your needs. – Jessica Esfandiary 15:00 I just love the idea that people will begin to use pleasure and intimacy and vulnerability and authenticity in ways that can open their relationship, just maybe not to other lovers, but just open their relationships, period, because that's like going to be such a beautiful world, probably totally like I'll be, you know, around for completely. – Jessica Esfandiary31:41 What I need is more community around this. So can I give myself permission to actually just own that in some of these interactions and start to differentiate that out? I mean, it brings me back to the question of the beginning of like people anchoring into their why. I sometimes think as we evolve in this, we realize that our why for when we first start getting into non-monogamy is sometimes actually feeling like, okay, more relationships can fill this need for community that I didn't even realize was a need. – Irene MorningTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jess again engages in an enlightening conversation with Irene Morning, a somatic coach, pleasure witch, intimacy educator, and the talented author behind "The Polyamory Paradox." Together, they talk deep into the world of Irene's creative process, unraveling the journey of how the book came to life. Irene's unique perspective and expertise shine through as she shares her insights on navigating polyamory and the intricacies of human emotions. Jessica openly shares her own personal experiences and the impact of both Irene's book and Irene on her journey. She highlights how the book has served as a roadmap, providing guidance and understanding in navigating polyamory and emotions.In this Episode of Open Late: Creative process of writing How our emotions affect our thinking The battle of Control vs. Containment Personal impact of the book Exploring "The Window of Tolerance" Episode 56 mentioned in the episode: Mind, Body and Non-monogamyConnect with Irene Morning:• Instagram: @irene_morning• Book: The Polyamory Paradox• Website:https://www.irenemorning.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary2:29 This is one of the most comprehend things, if not the most complete book to take you from the beginning, experiences through being able to live this way with as many tools as possible for any type of for any type of open relationship. - Jessica Esfandiary4:04 I hope that the therapy scene is changing a little bit in corners of the therapy world. But I think that is one of the things where coaching gets to operate differently, where I don't necessarily have the same concerns professionally about self-disclosure, where I can tell my story more openly and not worry that that's going to interfere with my practice, but that actually it really supports my client. - Irene Morning26:23 If you're going through a really challenging experience in non-monogamy and you're finding yourself really struggling in a big way and triggered in a way that interferes with doing work or maintaining relationships or having healthy sleep or getting proper nutrition, all of these kind of like basic regulation things, you are probably operating outside your window of tolerance. - Irene Morning36:36 70% or 80% of the recurring arguments that couples have. That conflict is not actually something that they can resolve. So the objective when we're doing conflict resolution and conflict work in a relationship is not necessarily to fix the source of that conflict, but is to look at how we can communicate about it more effectively, how can we navigate the conflict more effectively? - Irene Morning38:53 At the end of the day, your whole purpose and I think your goal as a human, just knowing you in your work is to grow and to constantly reclaim the parts of yourself that don't feel whole. Whether you can call that inner child healing or, you know, soul. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jess connects with Carolina Salazar, a certified holistic health coach and hormone specialist from the Inner Growth Podcast. Together, they explore Carolina's inspiring journey that led her to become a holistic coach. Carolina candidly shares her personal story of struggling with body image and weight due to cultural differences, leading to an unhealthy relationship with her body. She opens up about her experience with obsessive exercise and unhealthy weight loss, reaching a breaking point that prompted her to make necessary changes. The discussion delves into the concept of orthorexia and Carolina's realization of swinging to the other extreme of "healthy" living, where she found herself judging others' food choices and living an extremely food-restrictive lifestyle. They touch on the importance of accepting parents for who they are and the societal pressure on women's appearance. They emphasize the significance of seeking help when needed.In this Episode of Open Late: Holistic coaching journey Overcoming body image struggles Orthorexia and finding balance Accepting different opinions and societal pressures Acknowledging the problem and importance of Seeking support Listen to Inner Growth Episode with Jessica: Growing from mushroom experiences and Exploring your Sexuality with Jess EsfandiaryConnect with Carolina Salazar:• Instagram: @thecarolinalifestyle• Podcast: Inner Growth Podcast• Website:https://stan.store/thecarolinalifestyleConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary Quotes from this episode:3:14 The world that we live in and all the conditions that are placed on us as women, on our bodies, on what we're supposed to look like, and how that kind of becomes our inner talk and it becomes the programming that we're fed. And then can sometimes lead to very toxic behavior. – Carolina Salazar10:42 I think the trickiest part was the validation that I was receiving. As a society, we glorify weight loss. – Carolina Salazar11:55 The backdrop of the conversation is about how people's weight is important to who they are and what they're worth. – Jessica Esfandiary16:12 If you've been through a restrictive pattern or time of your life, breaking those restrictions can feel really scary. – Carolina Salazar18:17 I started doing a big deep dive on this discomfort that I felt and the shame and the self-judgment and like how I was labeling foods as good or bad, and then feeling like there is this morality with food. And if I ate bad food, I was a bad person. – Carolina Salazar28:56 Our emotional and energetic well-being is such a big part of our health. It's not just food and exercise, it's everything. – Carolina Salazar29:48 I am done with letting restrictions and rules and this endless pursuit of looking a certain way or of fitting this societal standard of thinness, get in the way of my joy. – Carolina Salazar43:31 It's not my job to change my parents' perspective because for them it's not an issue. – Jessica Esfandiary44:36 Healing is like an onion. Layers and layers, ultimately getting to like a really strong core. – Carolina Salazar51:28 Studies have shown that your relationship to body image and disordered eating have a big correlation to people not wanting to be intimate or have romantic partners. – Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jess continues her conversation with Lana Shay, the author of "Erotic Hustle." Lana shares her lifestyle and mission. She details her current project of creating a “conscious” strip club, that’s more like a sensual temple where men can leave feeling empowered instead of hungover, broke, and less respect for women and themselves. Lana also reads an excerpt from her book, Erotic Hustle. In this episode of Open Late: Lana's book and its inspiration Sobriety in the Las Vegas scene Tantric Art Exploring the concept of a Conscious Strip Club What you can find in “Erotic Hustle” Connect with Lana Shay:• Instagram: @iamlanashay• Book: Erotic Hustle: Redefining Sin through Sacred Sexuality & Psychedelics• Website:https://lanashay.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary Quote from the episode:3:57 It was easy for me to work in the strip club while having these practices, being so dedicated to a holistic lifestyle because I saw the need, and these were the people who needed it the most. It almost excited me. – Lana Shay5:15 I am a huge advocate for ditching alcohol, and you know everyone's drinking in a strip club. That's what you were doing, we were serving them that. So, imagine that every single person who's drinking that I interface with, my deep secret intention is to get them to stop drinking. – Lana Shay11:20 Men are really starved for intimacy and relationships with other men. Men will seek out sex workers a lot of times just for connection and I saw that so much in the club, and I also see it now in my life. – Jessica Esfandiary13:30 Babies die if they're not touched and held enough when they're first born. Yes, we're not going to die as adults but it's still that feeling of kind of dying inside if you're not getting enough physical interaction. – Lana Shay15:16 I like touching my customers, I feel like I can give so much through one conscious touch and it doesn't have to be sexual. It never was sexual, it's just like “Hey I see you I feel you.” – Lana Shay16:23 People do not get better when they're punished. It doesn't work. – Jessica Esfandiary 17:52 I like the idea where men come into a strip club where we can show up for them in a way that allows them to go out in the world and feel like a man that's nourished and powerful. A way that he's connected to himself and wants to show up for women in a conscious way. – Lana Shay18:53 Women like us are so committed to breaking these cycles and these constructs that just don't serve anyone. Patriarchy is such a touchy thing and I think what men fail to realize is it's hurting them more than it's hurting women because it's this unseen hurt that happens. – Jessica Esfandiary27:08 In the right environment with the right container and people it could be the most expansive work you do in your life. - Jessica Esdadiary29:05 Understand the power of sexual energy and how to circulate it and cultivate it and use it for much more than a crotch sneeze. Not that orgasms are bad, but certain types of orgasms are like prostheses. We can get way better orgasms here, people! - Lana Shay32:39 There is so much healing in sexuality. I truly believe it's in denying our sexual nature that we cause a lot of pain inside ourselves - Jessica Esfandiary Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jessica sits down and has a conversation with Lana Shay, author of "Erotic Hustle." Together, they explore the fascinating parallels in their lives, discovering that their paths may have crossed in the past during their time working in the vibrant nightlife of Las Vegas. Reflecting on their respective journeys, Jessica and Lana dive into their experiences with psychedelics and the profound transformations these substances have brought to their lives. Lana shares her personal story, including her past marriage and the unexpected twists and turns that led her to living in the jungle in Costa Rica!In this episode of Open Late: Finding freedom after challenging relationships Holistic living and natural remedies Transformative effects of plant medicine Living in the jungle of Costa Rica Nurturing societal conditioning of women Connect with Lana Shay:• Instagram: @iamlanashay• Book: Erotic Hustle: Redefining Sin through Sacred Sexuality & Psychedelics• Website:https://lanashay.com/Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionaryQuotes from the episode:9:10 I was in a very toxic relationship and pretty devoted to this guy really not knowing what my own wants and desires were. Shortly after I found out that that guy was totally leading a double life for almost three years and had a pretty serious sex addiction. – Jessica Esfandiary12:24 You need to stop resisting and fighting your desire to be in a relationship. - Lana Shay14:03 There was a moment where I wanted I had this deep desire to have a child with him and I realized it was simply because I wanted to heal him. I wanted him to feel so deeply loved that someone wanted him to continue his legacy. – Lana Shay15:47 Women in general, as we're growing up, are very conditioned to tune ourselves to the energy of men and be in that nurturing, supportive, “how can I please you” role. – Jessica Esfandiary 24:40 I'm so healthy, all I care about is my health. And I'm preaching to people about holistic living while I have to down a bottle of Advil every month, I feel like such a fake. – Lana Shay28:34 Our body builds up a lot of toxins. We live in a pretty toxic environment, all the things we put in our bodies and on our skin, and then it's absorbed, not to mention the way that we think and the way that we speak to ourselves. – Jessica Esfandiary36:37 I was in Costa Rica, and people started leaving as covid started spreading. And they said the borders are closing, you either leave now or stay here. I was like “The world is finally ending and I am “stuck” in a paradise? I am not leaving!”. - Lana ShayTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jessica takes a moment to provide a heartfelt life update since the beginning of the year, sharing her personal journey towards motherhood. Jessica opens up about her experience of losing the ability to carry children and the emotional challenges that came with it. She then takes us through her journey of exploring surrogacy as a path to parenthood, including the process of finding the right surrogate. Jessica shares the heartwarming story of meeting their surrogate Carly and the excitement from discussing the idea of having twins to actually getting pregnant. She reflects on the emotions and preparations that accompanied this life-changing decision. As a special treat, Jessica announces exciting giveaways for the listeners, adding an extra element of celebration and connection with the Open Late community. Don't miss out!In this episode of Open Late: Journey towards motherhood Why did they choose surrogacy pregnancy Finding the right surrogate Having Twins and baby moon Giveaways for listeners Episode about Motherhood with McLean McGown: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000560573356Follow our surrogacy pregnancy: @the.surrogacy.pregnancyConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionaryQuotes from the episode:0:51 The quality of our relationships dictate the quality of our lives. - Jessica Esfandiary3:05 My journey through having cervical cancer and a hysterectomy ultimately resulted in me not being able to get pregnant because I don't have a uterus or for the rest of the parts. - Jessica Esfandiary6:20 A really good friend of one of my closest friends reached out and said "I think that my friend is your surrogate.” - Jessica Esfandiary7:03 I remember seeing her name on my phone and I just knew what it was about.. Like in that moment I was like “Oh my God” there's nothing else this could be about. - Jessica Esfandiary8:28 Recognition and confirmation that this was the person that was meant to carry our babies into the world was such a pure feeling. - Jessica Esfandiary13: 24 The Open Late studio we sit in right now will become our nursery. - Jessica Esfandiary15:27 One of the other really amazing things about this journey to becoming parents is we feel like we just got invited to like “The cool kids club”. all of our other friends who are parents or becoming parents at this moment and we're all like doing this together and that feels really cool to share information and insights. - Jessica Esfandiary16:44 No one knows what they are doing at the beginning, and it's okay to figure it out along the way. - Jessica EsfandiaryTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this special celebratory 100th episode of Open Late, Jessica is joined by her long-time friends Ginger Banks, an adult performer and activist, and Dr. Zhana Vrangalova, an NYU Professor of Sex and Sexuality and renowned sex researcher. Together, they discuss the nature of play parties and the standards organizers should follow, emphasizing the importance of embracing mistakes as a natural part of exploration and growth. The trio shares their own diverse experiences and perspectives, shedding light on how these experiences have shaped their outlook on various subjects. They delve into evolving gender questions and examine the impact of gender on sexual experiences. Consent, safety, and trauma responses are also key topics of discussion, with an emphasis on the significance of obtaining explicit consent and creating a safe environment for all individuals involved. The hosts explore the complexities of trauma and its potential impact on responses within sexual contexts.In this episode of Open Late: Nature of play parties and standards for organizers Embracing mistakes as a part of personal growth Evolving gender questions and their impact on sexual experiences Significance of consent, safety, and trauma responses Time myopia and the role of transgression in sexual exploration Connect with Ginger:• Instagram: @thegingerbanks Connect with Dr.Zhana:• Instagram:@drzhana• Website:www.drzhana.com• Email: [email protected] • Open Smarter CourseConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionaryQuotes from the episode:17:30 Good and bad things happen at the club, good and bad things happen at sex clubs, good and bad things happen like all over the world and there's no such thing as a perfect space as ultimately a safe space because we're all humans flawed we're all gonna make mistakes. - Ginger Banks20:00 I think it's really important if someone transgresses us to tell them how they hurt us and how they affected us, because I don't think there's any other way that their behavior is gonna change if we just completely remove ourselves from the situation. - Ginger Banks39:40 Sometimes people cross boundaries because they themselves are so excited about the situation that they're in their own desire. Their own excitement is sort of overpowering their ability to read these more ambiguous signs that the person is showing in an accurate way. - Dr. Zhana Vrangalova49:30 Personally, I think it's really important for me to be in my body. It makes it a lot safer that I don't drink because it really does put this time blindness on people it's called myopia where they actually only care about what's happening now, they don't care about the consequences. - Ginger Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts Older episodes with• Ginger: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000546411260• Dr. Zhana: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000603261737This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess connects with Emily, Dedeker, and Jase from the Multiamory podcast, who are also the co-authors of their recently released book, "Multiamory: Essential Tools for Modern Relationships." They share the inspiration behind their book and explore the journey they took to bring it to life. The hosts engage in a lively discussion about the various relationship tools and chapters featured in their book. This is not another “How To” book! Additionally, the Multiamory hosts reveal their favorite tools and explain why they find them valuable. The conversation takes a deeper dive into the realm of creating healthy communication within relationships and offer insightful advice on overcoming disagreements in relationships in a simpler way. In this episode of Open Late: The story behind the Multiamory book Different tools to create safe conversation in your relationship The significance of scheduling Radar Check-ins Discussing also why things are going well in relationships Finding community that understands and listens to your needs Connect with Multiamory:• Website: https://www.multiamory.com/• Book: https://www.multiamory.com/book• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/multiamory_podcast/• Become a Patreon/ Join the Discord : https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?c=256168• Link to buy the Multiamory: Essential Tools for Modern Relationships book: multiamory.com/bookConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary Quotes from the episode:9:05 It's inevitable that whether you're in a triad, trying to get a threesome, solo poly, or maybe you want to find your monogamous married soulmate, or whatever it is, you're going to run into some communication problems. So we wrote a book and mapped out some tools you can use. Dedeker 12:48 The point is to not just jump to what it is that you think your partner needs but rather ask. Maybe say “what are you looking for here” or for you to tell your partner “hey all that I need from you right now is this”. Emily13:45 I don't always know what I want, especially with my partner. Jessica Esfandiary16:50 What people struggle with the most is how to communicate about their relationship choices to the people that don't understand their relationship choices. Jessica Esfandiary19:00 Finding a good online community is difficult. Jase19:10 I found that it is often better to communicate in person because we tend to be less shitty to each other face-to-face than we are online. Jase24:00 When I say “I want to have a talk” it’s often associated with “Oh that's gonna be bad. This is gonna be stressful. You have a complaint.” What I love about Radar Check-in is, that it helps to take away some of those notions because in it you also talk about the stuff that's going well, stuff that's challenging, future plans and, maybe things you want to try.. Jase28:48 Even if you know a person extremely well, you can never fully know exactly what's going on with them. Their desires and needs for something new and exciting in the relationship, even if things are going great, is a great opportunity for a Radar Check-in. EmilyTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess returns to her conversation with a couple Donna and Alex, who are Jess’s listeners from Florida, creators of a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex talk about how they have been navigating being swingers for decades and how they managed it without ever coming out to their children. Jess, Donna, and Alex discuss parenthood and if Florida is the most lifestyle state. They talk about their travel plans and why they carry upside-down pineapples on their luggage. In this episode of Open Late:• Lifestyle swingers and keeping it private• Upside-down Pineapple and meeting life-long friends• Is Florida the most lifestyle-friendly state?• Wearing wedding bands on the right hand• Open-minded parenting and knowing your childrenConnect with Donna and Alex:• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.comConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary Quotes from the episode:If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica EsfandairyIt is human nature, and we all tend to be secretive about it. – Jessica EsfandiaryWe are constantly looking for swingers in the wild. The upside-down pineapple is a sign. – AlexWe had a very private swimming pool that was clothing optional. Our kids knew that we were not wearing bathing suits if they were not there. – AlexI recommend that couples should try dating separately. – Jessica EsfandiaryWe experience real happiness, seeing the other one happy. -AlexI really like how much she enjoyed being with another guy…. And her glow-up afterwards! - AlexTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess connects with Donna and Alex, a couple from Florida who stand behind a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex are Open Late listeners who reacted to Jess's stories when she was looking for exciting stories about how people opened up their relationships. They walk us through the beginning of their relationship and what led them to become swingers, finding out about the Desire Resort, and the upside-down pineapple symbol! In this episode of Open Late: Becoming a poly-quad without knowing Remaining open after having kids Visiting a clothing-optional resort Upside-down Pineapple and meeting life-long friends Connect with Donna and Alex:• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.comConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary Quotes from the episode:3:03 You are never too old to get a new lifestyle. – Donna3:36 If a couple flips our switch and there is chemistry there, age is just a number and is not an issue. – Alex 7:03 We had a "foursome" friendship with our friends that organically developed into something else. – Donna8:09 Over time, it moved from just sitting next to each other and holding hands to making out and having oral sex with each other's partners. - Alex8:40 We were kinda poly-quad before we even knew the term. – Alex11:53 The entire relationship, we were never full swap. It was always a soft swap. – Donna13:06 Her gaydar was always off the charts. – Donna14:49 Back in high school, If I would fantasize, it was always about girls. -Donna16:01 Labels are interesting because sometimes they are confusing, but sometimes they can be empowering.– Jessica Esfandiary17:37 I wouldn't say I am BI, but If a guy wants to touch or play with me, I won't jump out of bed and punch him. – Alex23:56 You can be in the jacuzzi, and it's like a giant cocktail of naked people. – Alex26:11 People you meet when you are naked become amazing friends. - Alex29:16 You talk about grandkids, retirement, what you are doing here, as well as where you want to go for dinner and where you want to go to play. – Donna30:31 If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica EsfandairyTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess welcomes Marsha Molinari to the studio. Marsha is an LGBTQIA+ fashion icon, successful business owner and human rights activist. They talk about the need for more representation and perception of LGBTQIA+ communities. Marsha sheds light on the circumstances of her life before she moved to LA and what led her to become such a big part of HWood Hospitality and Nightlife Group. She opens up about her transition and how your close community can change your life experience. Marsha shares a bit about her dating life and what she expects from her future partner. In this episode of Open Late: Representation and diverse perspectives in LGBTQIA+ communities Marsha’s transition to a woman Starting a business in the heart of Hollywood The "Butterfly effect" Organizations that support Trans Youth Mentioned in the episode:Trevor Project: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/GLAD: https://www.glad.org/Imagine LA: https://www.imaginela.org/Connect with Marsha:• Podcast: Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!• Instagram: @marshamolinariConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionaryQuotes from the episode:4:39 If somebody plays your favorite song in the background, it immediately puts youinto a mood.- Marsha Molinari6:01 There is so much that happens before the food gets to your table. - Marsha Molinari12:56 I don't think that being strong takes away from your femininity. - Marsha Molinari14:26 I specifically told Katy Perry not to tell everyone that I am gay. - Marsha Molinari15:40 Going along discovering who you are when who you are inherently is taboo in society is challenging. - Jessica Esfandiary20:47 So many people are told to hide. And if there was more representation when I was young, I might think and have chosen differently. - Marsha Molinari21:39 I never knew there was a possibility of transition. Because the only representation I saw of transgender girls were sex workers, the murderers, the crazy person. - Marsha Molinari33:23 He said to me, If they really knew you, they would know that you were always a woman. - Marsha Molinari43:17 "Marsha in Paris" did it first. - Marsha Molinari48:01 If you make someone feel good, they are going to have more high-vibration interactions with the people they go to next. - Jessica Esfandiary 49:35 I have people asking me, "What can I do for you" and I am like "Go do it for somebody else". - Marsha Molinari56:27 If I would have had somebody to talk to, it would have changed those moments to not hurt as much. - Marsha MolinariTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess sits down with Chaneé Jackson Kendall, a black queer polyamorous woman, activist, educator and content creator. The two talk about the differences of poly theory vs. poly reality as people who experience polycule life everyday. With 15 years of polyamorous living experience, Chaneé has also brought up her son in a household with multiple mothers and father present. This has only elevated the lifestyle that their family is able to live in many ways, highlighting a shared workload, endless love, and financial freedom. They dig deeper into racial assumptions about polyamory and the importance of culturally competent poly education.In this episode of Open Late:• Polyamory Theory vs. Real Polyamorous Living• What’s a "Mom-glomerate"• The Benefits of Community Parenting • 4 Pillars of Intentional Polyamory• Healthy Time Away from Your ChildConnect with Michelle:• Instagram: @chaneespeaks• Instagram: @blackpolyprideConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionaryEvita's Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000564831532Evita's Book:https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-polyamory-devotional-evita-lavitaloca-sawyers/1142751200;jsessionid=13E24DE2E77C17FD77A06C03A10696A0.prodny_store02-atgap12?ean=9781990869235&st=AFF&2sid=Linktree%20Pty%20Ltd_100589976_NA&sourceId=AFFLinktree%20Pty%20LtdPolyamory and Parenthood by The Daylovershttps://remodeledlove.samcart.com/products/polyamory-parenthood-bookQuotes from the episode:2:47 People have a conversation about polyamory in the clouds, and I like to have conversations about polyamory on the ground. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall4:27 When we got married, we had our partners by our side at our wedding ceremony. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall9:28 I fell madly in love with a woman three months before my husband and I got married. Chaneé Jackson Kendall 14:50 Our life is not public, but We Are Who We Are everywhere we go. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall17:46 When our son was three months old me, and my partner fell in love with another woman. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall18:50 The reality is that the way our current society is set up like even with lots and lots of money, two-parent households are largely unhappy. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall34:28 I wanted to let other people, who naturally love the way that I love, know that it's not just something that upper-middle-class white people do. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall 39.09 Whenever you are taking in content, make sure that you never take advice from someone who's not where you want to be. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall47:21 It is part of our relational culture that we should all have the freedom to date if we desire. – Chaneé Jackson Kendall48:15 People are always so worried about the kids in polyamory; meanwhile, this is the most over-loved child ever. - Jessica Esfandiary55:37 When you have something good, you can always be open to better. – Chaneé Jackson KendallTake advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20• The Oh Club OPENLATE• Desire Resorts This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

To the Open Late Community,I have a short but important statement that I want to share with all of you. I deleted some podcast episodes last week with an organization where we discussed play parties and their culture. After some new information came to light and I reflected on some of my own experiences, I decided that I was no longer in alignment with that organization, and I felt like I should delete these episodes.This podcast has been my baby for the last year and a half, and the community we have created together, the episodes I share every week, and the guests I have on the show mean so much to me. The information we share, learn and grow from together is valuable to me. I had to really think about what my intention is and what is the most important thing about the work that I do. I came back to the fact that so many of you trust me. You ask me questions every week, share personal details about your lives with me, and look to me for advice and coaching. If people really trust me, then honesty, integrity, and transparency have to be the utmost important things, and they have to be at the forefront of what I am doing.The decision I made was not made lightly. I talked to my partners about it, deliberated, went back and forth, and talked to my most trusted chosen family. Ultimately, I came back to honesty and integrity and decided to take down these interviews. It was not the easy thing to do; the easy thing would have been to keep the interviews and separate them from my personal view. But I think doing the challenging thing of opening up and sharing that this is not in alignment and I don't feel comfortable promoting this organization anymore was the right thing to do. Whenever we have challenging conversations, we grow from them, and that's why I'm releasing this statement.I want you to know that if you listen to or watch those episodes, they're not bad. There's a lot of good information, a great conversation, and some really good listener questions that we answered on the show about the parties and culture. So if you've already listened to them, it's all good. You can definitely take away some things and apply them to your life. However, I took them down because I am no longer in alignment with that organization, and I don't feel comfortable promoting and sending people to their events.That's all I wanted to share, and I hope that you all take this with whatever meaning it can have for you in your own lives. There's always a lesson to learn, and I'm committed to bringing you amazing guests with amazing content every week for as long as it feels good for me. If you want to be a bigger part of our community, we're always growing, so feel free to join our WhatsApp group "Open Talks," which is a free community where you can ask questions and get advice and coaching. It's a really amazing peer support space. Also, our website is live, and it has had a complete revamp by Nacole, so feel free to check it out. You can access all of our resources there, like our "What's your relationship style quiz?", our dictionary, all of the books and podcasts that I recommend and love, and so much more. Let me know what you think, and I will see you next week on Open Late.• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this solo episode, Jessica shares her steamy experience from Mexico. Jess and her husband visited an clothing optional couples-only resort for the first time! Jess talks about enthusiastic consent and the special areas and services the resort offers. Jess also opens up more about why the trip was so important and about connecting with her partner more deeply before they bring children into this world. In this episode of Open Late:• Adults and Couples-only Resort in Mexico• The importance of understanding consent• Erotic couples massage experience• Connecting with your partner on a deeper level• Understanding difference between Strict monogamy and Hot monogamyConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess takes us back to her last vacation in Asia when she and Pasha decided to have sex every single day of their 4 weeks together.. Jess talks about what led them to make this decision and why they took up on this "challenge." She shares what they learn from this experience and also about each other. Jess talks about how daily responsibilities can get the best out of you and how falling into the routine can be exciting in new different spaces. In this episode of Open Late:• The downfall of familiarity with your partner• Understanding and integrating foreplay all day long• The many ways she spices it up• The health benefits of having sex on dailyConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess connects and talks with Michelle Hy, a non-monogamy and polyamorous content creator from Polyamorous while Asian. Michelle opens up about her journey of realizing she is polyamorous with relationship anarchy leanings and what it actually means. They talk about cultural differences and mental and emotional programming. Michelle shares how she prefers to compartmentalize her personal life and her family life. You’ll hear how a pandemic hobby became the platform she uses to educates people about their sexual health and nontraditional relationships.In this episode of Open Late:• Cultural programmings affects on sexuality• Keeping family separate from your personal life and relationships• Political aspects of relationships and non-monogamy• Sexually transmitted illness and the stigma that surrounds them• Sex education (or the lack there of) and the need of more resourcesConnect with Michelle:• Website: https://polyamorouswhileasian.com/• Instagram: @polyamorouswhileasianConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late DictionarySex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We are introducing a new series called "Asking for a Friend.” In this series, Jess is not necessarily talking with sexperts or people practicing non monogamy but with very close friends and chosen family from her life, who share raw and personal experiences and also ask questions about Nonmonogamy. In this episode, Jess sits down with Lea Griffin. Lea is Jess’ former in-home assistant and remains a close friend of Jess and Pasha. Lea shares her first impressions and memories from when she started and how much her life has changed since then. They chat about the beginning of their bond and raw and unedited experiences of how it was working for Jess and Pasha. She also opens up about her sobriety journey and the struggles and wins that came along with it. In this episode of Open Late, "Asking for a friend", • Working in a healthy environment • Understanding polyamorous relationships from the outside• Sobriety and the importance of establishing healthy boundaries• Staying sober during Covid and how it affects people's well being• Accepting change and evolution of human loveConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, we pick up where we left off with Lolo Urbiztondo, Jess's love and cofounder of Sound Sutra who still plays a big role in her life. The girls talk about a lot of fun sex stuff and also hard topics. Lolo shares more about her photoshoots for women and how she feels about opening her work to a global market. She gives us insights and small secrets about her intimacy photoshoot for couples. Jess and Lolo talk about their experience of seeing love from the "fly on the wall" perspective and how it affects your relationship. We look closer to embracing the "unicorn" vibes, and Jess shares her journey of getting over old hurts and pains in order to become the mother she wants to be for her children. In this episode of Open Late:• Creating safe intimacy in Photoshoots for women and couples • Experience of seeing love from a "Fly on the wall" point of view• "Unicorn Vibes" and becoming a mother• Understanding and reliving old pains and hurts in order to heal• Trauma release therapy and letting go of stored dense energyConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

After a very long time today, Jess sits down again with Lolo, her other love and best friend. They shared their experience from Burning Man and much-needed decompression afterwards. Jess and Lolo dig deeper into the evolution of their relationship and how they realize things need a business “break up”. Jess talks about her experiences in Thailand, and Lauren shares her future travel plans. In this episode of Open Late, • Decompression after Burning Man Festival• Understanding the change and opening up about it • Creative consciousness and taking a healthy break • Naked Northern lights photoshoot• Thailand and future travel plansConnect with Lolo• Instagram:@lolo_urbinztondoConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com • YouTube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today Jess hosts Shelby Terrell, an intimacy coordinator and current MSW Candidate, on the path of becoming a sex and relationship therapist working with the LGBTQIA+ population. Shelby shares how growing up in the entertainment environment shaped her and why she decided to become an intimacy coordinator on sets. They talk about the importance of people being educated and how boundaries on set are misunderstood and often pushed far for the sake of a career. They discuss how working on many things simultaneously can feel like being lost and how finding self-acceptance can have a massive impact on your journey. In this episode of Open Late, • Becoming an Intimacy coordinator• Understanding consent and the need of creating healthy boundaries• Importance of pushing ourselves to experience discomfort in need to change• Deep Self-acceptance and acknowledgement of your own journey• Need for more “Pleasure activism and “Discomfort Scale” Links mentioned in the episode:Certifying Intimacy Directors and Coordinators https://www.idcprofessionals.com/Adreinne Maree Brown: Accountability - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhANo6wzBAAConnect with Shelby Terrell• Instagram:@theshelbyterrellConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today on the show Jess interviews Roy Graff, a Relationship coach and Therapist from London who is also practicing Solo-polyamory. In this episode Roy shares his introduction to the open relationship world later in his life. They discuss a “savior complex,” codependency, and the importance of us knowing what we really want. Jess and Roy also share their opinions on jealousy and how they experienced it in past relationships. They unravel the topic of a monogamous person dating a poly person, what is needed and what are the odds of survival of this relationship dynamic. They also touch on how practicing solo-polyamory can actually help people who have trouble committing in traditional relationship styles. In this episode of Open Late, • The Savior Complex and our human need to fix everyone• Experiencing, accepting and understanding jealousy in open relationships• Importance of unraveling codependency with your partners• Breaking the mold of mono-normativity• How solo-polyamory can help overcome insecurities• Attachment styles and commitment issuesConnect with Roy Graff:• Instagram:@openrelating• Website:https://openrelating.love/about/ Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today Jess hosts Dr. Zhana an NYU Professor of Sex and Sexuality on the show. In this episode they discuss the various types of non monogamy. There are many reasons why some couples choose non monogamy, despite the common misconception that it is just a cover for infidelity. Jess and Dr. Zhana explore the advantages and disadvantages of relational styles and compare them to conventional monogamy throughout the conversation.Dr. Zhana offers some guidance to those in traditional relationships who desire sexual freedom and openness. They also talk about the trends in generations when it comes to relational expressions. This interview is helpful for anyone interested in learning more about different types of relationships and the role that they play in our personal lives. There is a lot covered in this episode! In this episode of Open Late, • The difference between Millennials and Gen Z relationships• The science behind non monogamy and how we are all wired differently• The different forms of non monogamy in the past and today• How the traditional ideas about monogamy have changed over the years• Ways to boost sexual self-esteem or confidenceConnect with Dr. Zhana:• Instagram:@drzhana• Website:www.drzhana.com• Email: [email protected] • Open Smarter Course• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions. Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this Mini episode, Jess joins you from an Adults Only, Clothing Optional Resort just outside of Cancun, Mexico. She shares her first-hand experience and feelings about the place and the environment. She also updates you on her upcoming trips and plans. Would you like Jess to speak at the event in your hometown? Let her know! Email our team at [email protected] In this episode of Open Late,• Visiting an Adult only resort• Embrace your fears of the unknown and explore• Jess’ upcoming travels: Israel, Italy, Portugal, Morocco and the UK Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Love is hard to define. But, according to the book MARRIAGE: From Miserable to Magnificent, “Love” has a multitude of meanings and expressions across relationshipsIn this episode of Open Late, Jess explains the different forms of love from the Greek language based on her recent reading MARRIAGE: From Miserable to Magnificent. She also provides clear examples of what each type of love means and how they can be expressed in various situations and relationships. Before getting into specific types of love, it is important to define love in general. The Greeks used the word “eros” where we get the word “erotic” to describe romantic or sensual attraction. In contrast, the English word “love” has been used to describe several different feelings over the years, including friendship, compassion, the love we have for parents and children, god, etc. By the end of this episode, you will have a better understanding of loving dynamics and how they can enrich different relationships in your life. In this episode of Open Late,• How to measure success in relationship• How love without ownership works • Definition of love in a non-monogamous container• How nonmonogamy can support more authenticity and depth to your relationship • Forms of love (Eros, Philia, Storge, Ludus, Agape, Mania, Philautia and Pragma) and how they exist in different relationships and contexts Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 Order the Book Discussed in Today’s Episode• MARRIAGE: Miserable to Magnificent "We can't really fault ourselves for having this bedrock thinking of partnership = ownership because it's been ingrained and indoctrinated in us.""For many people who want to create a conscious relationship, we're starting to examine these “norms” (monogamy) and question the belief systems that we have.""I think that we all measure success in our relationships in different ways, and it's important for you to define how you define success in your relationship and go from there."This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess and Meghana Raveendra continue their discussion about having children and their outlook of raising them without hiding your open relationship. They examine possible challenges children may experience and whether those occurrences could affect them in a positive or negative way. Meghana shares her personal experience of having multiple partners and her opinion about long-distance relationships. We discuss how labels can cause more issues than solutions at times and how the expectation of fulfilling every one of your partner’s wants, needs and desires can be exhausting. In this episode of Open Late,• Raising children within an open relationship• Communal living• Creating safe environments for children without hiding the truth• Solo polyamory and long-distance relationships• Expectations of satisfying all your partners needs vs the reality Connect with Maghna:• Instagram:@crazycurlyvagabond• Blog: https://meghanaraveendra.wordpress.com/ Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess Production“We are like a pie, with all these different slices, and these are all these various aspects of our personality and humanity, and it's very challenging for one person to bring out and interact with all those sides of us.”"I grew up with a mental health problem in spite of my parents being monogamous.""We can't change the world. We can't change things around us. We can only have more conversations, and be open to understanding."See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess sits down with Meghana Raveendra to discuss her transition from monogamous marriage to solo polyamory. Meghana opens up about her experiences of telling her ex-husband and family and the struggles of navigating intimacy as a polyamorous woman. We spoke about the expectations and limitations that come with marriage in Indian cultures and what is needed to break the social “norms“. We touch on the importance of meeting like-minded people and the need for a supportive, open community where people can explore themselves. In this episode of Open Late,• Accepting attraction to others while still married• Navigating non-monogamy and solo polyamory as a woman• Breaking cultural bias and the importance of meeting open-minded people• Filing for divorce and opening up to family Connect with Maghna:• Instagram:@crazycurlyvagabond• Blog: https://meghanaraveendra.wordpress.com/ Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jess is back to talk about her Dating Life- It’s 2022 Wrapped- make it Poly. In this episode you’ll hear who she’s dated, what her sex life is like and her intimate encounters even with friends. Part of Jess’ agreements with her primary partner is communication and honesty so she shares the importance of keeping them in the loop about what she’s doing and who she’s doing it with.Jess also talks about the dates that didn't work out but are still essential to her story. She explains why connecting with more people sexually can help you focus on your own pleasure and how starting a relationship with someone else can be a great way to open up new possibilities in your life.In this episode of Open Late,• An entire year of poly dating• Dates that did not work and why they are still important to her journey• Her run in with toxic masculine entitlement • How honesty and communication are vital to her relationship success Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess Production"When you're strong in your intention and it has a really beautiful alignment behind it, it can make a huge difference in where you go in the year.""Women have the right to say, "No," and "I'm not interested in you." This is not an attack on your ego.""I identify as poly because I believe that I can be in love with multiple people at once, and it's not going to draw energy away from my relationship with my husband."Poly Points: The only limited resource is time, not love.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jess is back with Anyeri and Jorge for round two! New to nonmonogamy, this couple has learned a lot over the last few years. Not only has opening up elevated their relationship, they have grown tremendously as individuals as well. It's been a roller coaster ride for them, and they don’t hesitate to share all the ups and downs. We’re getting deep and personal in this episode, so grab your headphones and share your thoughts with us once you listen!In this episode of Open Late,• How nonmonogamy helps with regular life obstacles• The importance of validating your partner• Understanding the intentions of the other people you bring into your relationship• Working through trust issues and how that influences your relationship going forwardConnect with Anyeri and Jorge:• Instagram:@everybodydoesitpodcast• Youtube: Everybody Does It Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess sits down with Anyeri and Jorge to talk about their newly open relationship and how it has affected their lives. We cover how they first met, what drew them together and the early infidelity in their relationship. These two truly demonstrate how you can grow closer when you share the hard truths. We touch on challenges like jealousy and insecurity and OF COURSE we love a good threesome story!In this episode of Open Late,• Staying together after cheating• How most people see monogamy as their only option• How non-monogamy has changed their perception of relationships• Equality within your non monogamyConnect with Anyeri and Jorge:• Instagram:@everybodydoesitpodcast• Youtube: Everybody Does It Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jess is back to answer some of the recent Questions she’s received in Open Talks, our free WhatsApp community as well as from her Q&A’s on Instagram. To help demystify polyamory and dispel some of the misconceptions that abound, Jess speaks about her experiences and what advice she has for those considering it.This episode covers various topics, from dating multiple people simultaneously to communicating with her partners, to the challenges and rewards of maintaining a healthy relationship. In this episode of Open Late,• The process of coming out• Making mistakes can be a good thing• To date or not to date your friends• The importance of communication and honesty in your open relationshipConnect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Jess answers some of the questions from our community WhatsApp group, "Open Talks." She talks about codependency and how to overcome it in your relationships. While, codependency is often seen as a negative, is something we’re born learning. Doing the work to be interdependent in your relationship is key. When we depend on others to regulate our emotions, we’re in trouble. In today's episode, we will talk about why we might become codependent and how we can overcome this in our relationships. In this episode of Open Late• How to overcome codependency in your relationships• The difference between codependent and interdependent• How to approach polyamory if you are monogamous• How to navigate when your partner wants to have very different non-monogamous experiences than you do Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week on Open Late, Jess interviews Andre Lazarus to get his perspective on presenting men in society. The conversation goes deep and wide as they talk about Andre's challenges while serving in the military. He spoke about how "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was repealed, allowing us to see more individuals feeling more comfortable. Unfortunately, the policy created a culture of fear that made it difficult for many people to live openly or honestly. But when did we stop being afraid? When did we start taking steps toward equality? In this episode of Open Late• Overcoming the fear of vulnerability• Normalizing having feelings when you’re in a masculine role• Having the courage to fight gender norms in the military• How the deficit of true intimacy is effecting menResources:• Learn more about the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy here. Connect with Andre Lazarus:• Instagram: @comingcloserwithandre• Website:https://coming-closer.com• Email: [email protected] Connect with Jessica:• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com• Youtube: Open Late Podcast• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp• Open Late Dictionary• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form• Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.• Open Smarter CourseThe product I love who support this show:• Honey Pot Lube and Massage Oil OPENLATE20 This is a Sabbatical Jess ProductionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.