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Show Notes
John 's guest this week is former US Congressman Fred Upton, This is a follow-up to their conversation in the Fall of 2023 focusing on the 2024 election and the role he plays in a program called No Labels. That movement is the attempt by members of both major parties, Democrats and Republicans who are unhappy with the prospect of a 2024 presidential choice between the former and current presidents, Trump and Biden.
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