#16. Natasha Regan and Matt Ball on In-Between Moves in Chess and Related Concepts in Go, Shogi
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Show Notes
This week’s episode of the New In Chess Podcast features not one, but to esteemed guests. Women International Master Natasha Regan and Matt Ball are longtime collaborators, having recently co-authored “Zwischenzug!”, a book about a concept that will be familiar to many but, according to its authors, is missed exceedingly often in modern (online) chess. The zwischenzug, also known as the in-between move, intermediary move, or intermezzo, occurs regularly in chess at all levels, from amateur games to the last World Championship match between Ding Liren and Ian Nepomniachtchi.
Interviewed by Remmelt Otten, Regan and Ball expand on the concept of the zwischenzug and draw parallels with various other strategy games, like go and shogi, and introduce concepts from those games that may even be interesting for chess players to learn. "Zwischenzug!" will be available on the New In Chess website soon:
https://www.newinchess.com/zwischenzug
00:06 – Intro
02:14 – How Matt and Natasha met
02:53 – Why name the course “Zwischenzug”?
04:09 – How did the idea to write the book come about?
05:13 – How does one become an official FIDE coach?
07:05 – Why should people buy the book instead of using some online course?
08:33 – How should a student use the book?
09:43 – How the online "pre-move" makes people forget about in-between moves
11:25 – The beauty of the zwischenzug move
12:48 – How common are zwischenzugs?
14:01 – The unbelievable amount of zwischenzugs that occurred in the Ding-Nepo match
16:10 – Natasha and Matt coming up with new phrases to describe specific zwischenzug situations
18:29 – AD BREAK
19:11 – Matt gives the listener a visualisation exercise
22:34 – Natasha's affinity for abstract games such as go and shogi
25:39 – Natasha carrying over phrases from go into chess
25:57 – “Tenuki"
27:10 – “Aji”
30:50 – Natasha and Matt's participation in the European Senior Team Championship, using Puzzle Rush in preparation
36:12 – What books do Natasha and Matt recommend for chess improvement?
38:14 – Outro