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Never Too Far Gone

Never Too Far Gone

Heather Cetrangolo

36 episodesEN

Show overview

Never Too Far Gone has been publishing since 2023, and across the 2 years since has built a catalogue of 36 episodes. That works out to roughly 15 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a monthly cadence.

Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 25 min and 33 min — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Business show.

There hasn’t been a new episode in the last ninety days; the most recent episode landed 7 months ago. The busiest year was 2024, with 27 episodes published. Published by Heather Cetrangolo.

Episodes
36
Running
2023–2025 · 2y
Median length
30 min
Cadence
Monthly

From the publisher

The word “leadership” has become tired. It’s been gentrified—repackaged as a job description, overselling its glamour whilst underselling its beauty. Real leaders don’t chase titles. They stay in the hard places, where there’s pushback and limited resources. They endure the subtle and overt ridicule that comes with believing things can be different. My podcast is for the weird and wonderful ones—the people who keep believing and keep building, even when the system seems designed to make them fail. If that’s you, let’s be friends. Because the biggest threat to people like us is isolation. The second is never having the skills involved in rebuilding from the ground up taught to us, studied or recognised. That’s why I created The Academy of Systemic Renewal: a place that champions the science of what we do. http://systemicrenewal.com

Latest Episodes

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Ep 36Why You Probably Don't Need The Big Guy

Sometimes the smallest, messiest, most depleted organisation still has more life in it than you might think. In this episode Heather shares why she believes that external partners might offer quicker solutions, but it is almost always a false economy. She unpacks why she has chosen to focus her life on renewing long-established systems from within, assisting them to develop their own in-house solutions. Heather shares insights from Maria Mazzucato and Rosie Collington's research at UCL, into why an over-dependence on external advice creates a fear-driven economy in which actors lose the skill of learning.

Oct 6, 202522 min

Ep 35Who Could Ever Learn to Love a Beast?

In this episode Heather explains what a 'Renewalist' is and why it is a different style of leadership to two more readily recognised categories, being management and advocacy. Heather explains from the example of Beauty and the Beast, how Renewalists are people who humanise systems by stepping into them fully. The episode ends with a time for reflection about whether you are "all in" to lead the community you stand within, or whether you feel one-toe-out.

Oct 6, 202511 min

Ep 34Planning for the Unplanned

In this quick Learning Byte, Heather shares about the importance of planning for the unplanned, or making space for what John Paul Lederach describes as "Serendipity." Heather shares an example of serendipitous discoveries that have been taking place for her at Holy Trinity in Port Melbourne. This episode finishes with an exercise in observing the unplanned experiences and opportunities that may be nudging you in an unexpected direction.

Oct 6, 20259 min

Ep 33How to Remember That You Are More Powerful Than You Think You Are

Every great leader experiences small, medium and big setbacks along the way. Knowing how to weather and metabolise these experiences can make the difference between going the distance, and not. This is the fourth of a series that draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in which he describes the place of patience, place, time and serendipity in the practice of peacebuilding. This episode shares three exercises for practicing Stillness by observing the place of the past, present and future at each juncture of our story.

Oct 5, 20257 min

Ep 32Stillness as Place

This is the third of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in which he describes the place of patience, place, time and serendipity in the practice of peacebuilding. This episode shares two exercises for practicing Stillness by observing place. These are designed to help us notice clues about the best levers for change in our environment.

Jan 5, 202525 min

Ep 31Patience in the Startup Phase

This is the second of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in which he describes the place of patience, place, time and serendipity in the practice of peacebuilding. This episode shares three types of patience involved in the startup phase of building new ideas, initiatives or organisations, which are: Patience with the 'yes' people; Patience with the 'no' people; and Patience with the 'yes but not yet' people.

Sep 30, 202435 min

Ep 30Three Eyes of Three Storms

This is the first of a four-part series called Stillness, a practical guide to creating pause in the midst of conflict. 'Stillness' is not a meditation or spiritual practice, but the art of suspending judgement to observe what is happening in a conflict, be it an inner-conflict, intergroup or intragroup storming. This series draws from John Paul Lederach's book, The Moral Imagination (2005) in which he describes the place of patience, place, time and serendipity in the practice of peacebuilding. This episode introduces the concept of Stillness with three stories from Heather's recent experience of lobbying in Parliament.

Sep 21, 202434 min

Ep 29Discerning Your Career Path, with Carl Stauffer

This is the final episode of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, journeying into how to be a successful policy entrepreneur, based on Michael Sheldrick's From Ideas to Impact. This episode explores how to discern your career journey, featuring Carl Stauffer, Senior Expert in Reconciliation at the United States Institute for Peace. Carl looks back over his 30 years of experience as a strategic leader in peace, justice and reconciliation initiatives and reflects on how he came to understand his vocation and discern his 'next steps' at each juncture. This episode frames our career journey in three areas:- 'The Stirring' or times when we feel restless in our current role; 'The Closed Door' which is about how to manage when opportunities we thought would open up to us suddenly do not; and 'The Title' which is about the various ways that people and life experiences communicate to us who we are and what unique gift we bring to the world.

Aug 9, 202432 min

Ep 28When the War is Over (and When It's Not), with Carl Stauffer

This is the seventh of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, journeying into how to be a successful policy entrepreneur, based on Michael Sheldrick's From Ideas to Impact. The final two episodes of this series take a slightly different turn, as we meet with Carl Stauffer, Senior Expert in Reconciliation at the United States Institute for Peace. Carl is a strategic leader with over 30 years experience in peace, justice and reconciliation initiatives, including 16 years on the ground in South Africa. He has conducted training and consultation in 37 countries and 6 continents and comes with 11 years experience as Associate Professor of Justice and Peacebuilding at the Eastern Mennonite University. In this episode, Carl shares how he has witnessed radical attempts to cross dividing lines in our world today, referencing: The building of a parallel democratic process in Myanmar; The Comprehensive Agreement signed between the United States and Vietnam in 2023; and A legislated framework for transitional justice in Colombia.

Aug 2, 202445 min

Ep 27Keeping the Agenda on the Table

This is the sixth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion worldwide in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather explores the third of three phases of policy entrepreneurship, which is what Michael calls 'Implementation.' Once you have a policy change on the table and you've managed to get the right people to that table, how do you make sure it doesn't fall off the agenda?

Jul 25, 202437 min

Ep 26Turn Up With Solutions, with Michael Sheldrick

This is the fifth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather interviews Michael as he shares three tips for how to make the most out of a ten-minute pitch to a busy person.

Jun 20, 202429 min

Ep 25Focus on the Ten That Say Yes Not the Ninety That Say No, with Michael Sheldrick

This is the fourth of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather interviews Michael, as he shares about the people in his life who influenced him to try against the odds, to not run away from hard things, and the big "yes" from a high school teacher that changed the direction of his life.

Jun 13, 202429 min

Ep 24Working with Corrupt Systems and Corrupt People

This is the third of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather sets out two safeguards when partnering with imperfect institutions and people: 1. Never assume you know everything; 2. Commit but don't get married. This episode includes a practical exercise for discerning strategic partnerships for policy entrepreneurship.

Jun 7, 202432 min

Ep 23Six Enemies to Vision and How to Smash Them

This is the second of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather exposes six enemies to vision: overwhelm, playing shy, polarisation, short-termism, judgement and depersonalisation. She reveals the weapons she has used to overcome these 'enemies' and why love wins every time.

May 31, 202432 min

Ep 22Is Policy the Best Lever for Change?

This is the first of an eight-part series called Policy Matters, based on Michael Sheldrick's newly released book From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World. Michael Sheldrick is the Co-Founder of Global Citizen and has worked with a range of stakeholders to distribute over $40 billion around the world in the past decade to end extreme poverty. In this episode, Heather shares her own mindset shift towards elevating the importance of policy in effecting social change, away from preferencing grassroots activities. Whilst she argues that "policy entrepreneurship" has an indispensable place in effecting tangible change, she queries, is it the MOST important lever?

May 24, 202431 min

Ep 21A Vision of a Thousand Lights by Heather Cetrangolo

This is a time capsule, where Heather shares her 'vision of victory' for Systemic Renewal, as it came to her on an ordinary day, in her study.

May 17, 20246 min

Ep 20Prepare for Victory, with Brooklyn White

This is the final of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with regular guest, Brooklyn White, Founder of Renewing Hope Agency, Canada. Heather and Brooklyn explore the art of describing a clear ‘vision of victory’ when leading a new beginning. This episode provides a guided reflection on three aspects to successfully stepping into a new beginning, inspired by William Bridges. These are: Just do it. Let it be incremental. Picture it.

May 17, 202438 min

Ep 19Ambition Without Naivety, with Brooklyn White

This is the seventh of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with regular guest, Brooklyn White, Founder of Renewing Hope Agency, Canada. Heather and Brooklyn explore the balance between being ambitious for change without being naive about the pace. This episode provides a guided reflection on three aspects to successfully stepping into a new beginning, inspired by William Bridges. These are: Just do it. Let it be incremental. Picture it.

May 16, 202435 min

Ep 18Transitions in Long-Term Relationships

This is the sixth of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. Based on William Bridges' groundbreaking work in Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes, this series unpacks the practical implications of his three-part Transition Model. This episode provides strategies for knowing when our long-term relationships are in a transition period and how to move through it well. Why? Because the bottom line is, leaders of large scale social change will unavoidably go through transitions in their core relationships.

May 2, 202440 min

Ep 17Transitioning Leadership: Who Leads and How with Ignacio Packer

This is the fifth of an eight-part series called Transition Plans: How to Transition Well. Change is something that happens as an external event or situation, whereas 'transition' is an inner, psychological process that people go through as they internalise and come to terms with change. This episode is with special guest, Ignacio Packer, Executive Director of Initiatives of Change, Caux Foundation. The conversation traverses three transitions occurring for global leadership today. First, a transition away from cynical or naively optimisitic leadership, towards a grounded, proactive choice to be hopeful. Secondly, a transition away from directive management styles to choosing vulnerability. Thirdly, a transition away from blind acceptance of white, male privilege, towards conscious decisions to choose diversity in leadership representation.

Apr 28, 202431 min
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