Mind, Body, and Soil

In this episode, Kate is joined by Dan Egan, author of the Devil’s Element: Phosphorous and a World Out of Balance. Why  phosphorus?  Phosphorus is vital for life on Earth and plays a pivotal role in fertilizers that sustain agriculture. However, it’s also a finite resource where its overuse in fertilizers has led to significant environmental concerns such as toxic algae blooms. The history of phosphorus, from its isolation as an element, to its sordid history and its various applications, including warfare, is explored. Somehow, phosphorous is at the heart of our food system, the conception of the soap opera, the Clean Water Act,  and the children’s rhyme “Shelly sells seashells by the seashore.” Its history is nothing short of sordid and it is “the gravest natural resource shortage you’ve never heard of.” Dan and Kate also explore future sources of phosphorous and whether or not waste is really waste at all. This is an essential part of understanding agricultural systems and a great interview. Find Dan-the Devil’s Element: Phosphorous and a World Out of BalanceResources Mentioned: Farmer’s of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea, and Japan by F. H. KingInterview with Dan on Sustainable DishSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

This week, Kate sits down with author Cat Bohannan to talk about her book Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human Evolution. This conversation takes you on a captivating journey through the intricacies of human evolution viewed through the stories our bodies have to tell - and the female body in particular. In this podcast, they explore elements of the book as well as exploring what it means to look at the narrative arc of female bodies through deep time. We look at how our evolution is a product of environment, culture, behaviors, context, and bodies exploring topics like menopause and menstruation, tool use, mating behaviors, and so much more. Cat shares a message of agency and empowerment and what it might mean to think about how the human species might evolve from here. Find Cat:Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human EvolutionX (Twitter): @catbohannonBooks Mentioned in the Podcast:Ultra-Processed People by Chris van TullekenSkin: A Natural History by Nina Jablonsky Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code BF 20 through November 27th (code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% after that). Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time Tip

Lindsey Browne Davis is a writer, hunter, entrepreneur, and naturalist. Based in Salt Lake City, Lindsey draws from her experiences farming, foraging, hunting, and running businesses to talk candidly about chasing our dreams, even when it feels almost impossible. This is a wide ranging and inspiring podcast where we discuss the overlap between stewarding land and our own bodies, building connection with our ecosystem, failing, hunting, and being a citizen scientist. Lindsey has a way of explaining both the terrain around her and her inner terrain with aplomb. We explore ecosystem services and how to be of service to your ecosystem. She also talks about her hope for her (now born!) baby and what life may look like as a mother and hunter both. Find LindseyInstagram: @lindsey.browne.davisWebsiteSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

Hey. It’s Kate. I’ve been absent and I want to talk some about why and what it means to be in a challenging season of life. So often we hear from people once they reach the other side of challenge - but we rarely hear from them when they’re in the thick of it. Well, I’m in the thick of it, and so this vulnerable episode is three parts: where I’ve been and what’s going on, how I’ve been literally and figuratively putting one foot in front of the other, and where the podcast is going (hint: it’s coming back! I need it and maybe you do, too.) This is a vulnerable episode that I’m a little waffly on releasing, but feel strongly that there is a call to share honestly. It is also an exploration of walking as a practice of moving through hard times. Why walking as exercise, as a practice, as a meditation? I answer all that and more in today’s episode. RESOURCESWanderlust by Rebecca SolnitMountains of the Mind by Robert MacFarlaneThe Old Ways by Robert MacFarlaneSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

Irene joins the Mind, Body, and Soil podcast for her third visit to discuss what it means to become apprenticed to your body. Better yet, a little tardiness on Kate’s part at the beginning of the episode allows Kate and Irene to explore in real time the difference between a regulated and dysregulated nervous system. In it, the idea of “window of tolerance” is teased apart. All in all this is a short and sweet episode about connecting in with your body. RESOURCESSmartBody SmartMind Program21 Day Nervous System Tune-UpPrevious Podcasts with Irene: Part 1, Part 2Kate’s Interview on Irene’s YouTubeSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

In this episode, Kate gives us an update about regional food systems through the lens of her butcher shop, Western Daughters, and the decision of whether or not to close. What does it mean to support regenerative food systems as a food business - and where does financial sustainability come into the conversation? Kate leads us through the struggles each shareholder in the supply chain, including the consumer, is facing as she sees it. This leads in to an excellent panel that she was on in Helmville, Montana at the Old Salt Festival. Hosted by Mountain and Prairie podcast host Ed Roberson, the panel features Kate, Cole Mannix from Old Salt Co-Op, Dan Miller from Steward, and Wyatt Nelson of Wild West Local Foods. Together, they explore what it means to build a resilient, regional food system and all the triumphs and hurdles that are presented along the way for producers, consumers, distributors, and beyond. SPONSORED BY SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackPatreonLeave a one-time Tip

Rob Krapfel has been challenging himself for a long time. Whether teaching himself how to upland hunt as a teenager, navigating a career as a fish biologist, or becoming a smokejumper in his late 20’s, Rob has something to say about persistence and perseverance. Envisioning a life of adventure from a young age with a desire to do many different things, Rob has sought out the place where challenge, adventure, and honest work. In this episode we explore his philosophies on life, teaching yourself skills, and cultivating focus as someone who just can’t sit still. Most recently, Rob has transitioned into the world of growing Sundries Farm garlic in the Hagerman Valley of Idaho - and we dive deep into what it means to grow something from hand, the hardships and triumphs of small farming, and into garlic itself. This is a wide ranging conversation you won’t want to miss a beat of. Find Rob:Instagram: @thenoisyplumeSundries Farm Garlic SPONSORED BY SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackPatreonLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15oHBSHXJBRENNv4kANRdL

How do we begin to explore and illustrate the multi-factorial complexity that surrounds us? This has become one of the guiding questions of the podcast and Alanna Collen, author of 10% Human, has a gift for navigating the tangled webs of connection. Author and evolutionary biologist, Alanna’s book set an early stage for conversations around the microbiome a decade ago. In this episode, we look at some overarching themes around the blurred lines of self and other, how influenced we are by the microbes that surround us, how we illustrate complexity in a world of reduction, alongside some of her new work on the obesity epidemic. While the majority of our conversation looks at the broad strokes, we do explore some of the marvels of the microbiome especially around childbirth, breastfeeding, and beyond. Find Alanna:Instagram: @alanna.collenTwitter: @alannacollen 10% Human by Alanna CollenSPONSORED BY SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackPatreonLeave a one-time Tip

In this episode, I bring back Tara Couture for a second round of talking about the intricacies and complexities of health and what it means to reimagine and reclaim that at a personal, familial, and community level. In this episode, Tara and I deep dive into some of our personal health journeys and exploring the knowledge of not taking a one size fits all approach - that there are many factors that found you sick in the first place and many bioindividual considerations that will support the journey back towards health. It’s about curiosity, relationships, and growing change. Find Tara:Substack@slowdownfarmstead Resources :Troy’s Substack: the Doer of DeedsDivergence Support the Podcast:SubstackPatreonLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Over the course of a couple of months, Fred and I spent a lot of time writing back and forth about mystery and uncertainty with the intention of bringing that conversation to the podcast. Fred Provenza is well known for his research contributions to the field of livestock nutrition and behavior, but this conversation goes beyond that and into the great unknown. Fred is, at his heart, teacher and student both, sharing his curiosity as ‘a cosmic voyager’ here on earth. Through that lens, we explore cultivating a childlike sense of wonder at the interconnectedness of life and all the ‘whys’. We talk about finding and embracing who you are - and supporting it as parents and teachers. Fred shares about how illness changed his outlook and brought him, for a time, to a space of oneness. Ultimately, the conversation is about the uncertainty and transitory nature of life. It is wide-ranging and, I hope, heartwarming.&nbsp;Find Fred:Nourishment by Fred ProvenzaTimestamps:00:00:00: Kate shares about getting back on the wagon post hiatus00:11:30: Fred and Kate drop right into the deep end&nbsp;00:16:45: Finding a childlike sense of wonder&nbsp;00:27:57: Everything is interconnected, on a continuum00:42:31: We are participators, boundaries are arbitrary, relationships matter01:02:43: Seeing connections looking backward on life01:11:45: Animal teachers - behavior, parenting, and beyond01:20:27: We are part of ‘place’01:27:57: Finding oneness through illness01:44:42: Cultivating conversation and a new educational paradigm01:51:34: Be who you are and nurture that in children02:07:00: Embracing uncertainty02:15:55: Everything is transitoryBooks:The Fifth Discipline by Peter SengeDying to Be Me by Anita MoorjaniPower of Now by Eckharte TolleThe Experience of Nothingness by Nisargadatta MaharajSupport:SubstackPatreonLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: <a href="https://groundworkcollective.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

On today's special episode, host Kate Kavanaugh shares a talk she gave in Fredericksburg, Texas for the What Good Shall I Do Conference. It is an exploration of the myriad of ways that we are deeply interconnected - pulling threads from soil science, ecology, botany, cellular biology, mysticism and spirituality, and philosophy. At the end, is a message of hope and healing. Kate introduces the episode with an exploration of what it means to be a 'participator' rather than just an 'observer' and recounts some tales from her time in Texas with the armadillos, ants, and the moon.There is also a discussion at the beginning about how the podcast will grow from here and how you can support that growth. Regular programming resumes next week! Support the PodcastSubstack: https://katekavanaugh.substack.com/Patreon: patreon.com/user?u=52045069Leave a one-time Tip: paypal.me/katekavanaughmbsThank you so much!

Andreas Weber has studied marine biology and cultural systems alongside his work with theoretical biologist Francisco Varela. Andreas has worked over the years on the concept of enlivenment and looking at the “biosphere as a meaning-creating and poetic reality”. This episode is about dissolving the boundaries of a mechanistic worldview and finding a new depth of meaning, reciprocity, and service. Becoming edible is the touchstone for the talk as Andreas walks us through ideas of reciprocal transformation of matter, what it might mean to surrender to impermanence and that transformation, and how death links us to the whole of life and aliveness. It is also about how we define language and mentorship in response to everything we take in from the interconnected web of life. Andreas guides us through how Western culture and civilization has strayed from so many of these concepts and the trauma that represents on concentric levels. Our chat is wrapped up by exploring the invisible dimension. This is a wide-ranging and beautiful deep dive into our felt experience of matter, of aliveness, of death, and beyond and is absolutely not to be missed.&nbsp;Find Andreas:Website: https://biologyofwonder.org/Ecology of Love CourseBooks:The Biology of Wonder: Aliveness, Feeling, and the Metamorphoses of ScienceMatter and Desire: an Erotic Ecology&nbsp;Timestamps:00:05:59: Old Salt Festival Shoutout00:10:58: Interview Begins with a line from Rilke and some ruminations on poetry00:21:08: Becoming Edible&nbsp;00:28:48: The hard to define line between self and other&nbsp;00:37:13: Reciprocal Transformation00:43:05: Healing rifts of isolation&nbsp;00:48:49: Surrendering to impermanence and transformation00:58:31: Death links us to the whole01:16:38: Non-meditation and finding mentors&nbsp;01:36:51: Gift, culture, and trauma&nbsp;01:46:02: The invisible dimension&nbsp;Books + Resources Mentioned:&nbsp;Tulku UrgyenLetters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke, translated by Joanna MacyDuino Elegies by Rainer Maria RilkePhilosophy of Baruch de Spinoza&nbsp;Works by NagarjunaOld Salt Festival&nbsp;Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code:...

Cate Havstad-Casad is redefining what it means to be a holistic entrepreneur. Using her lens of holism and looking at how to scale businesses while still keeping in mind natural limits of growth, she has built Havstad Hat Co and Range Revolutions and Casad Family Farms in conjunction with her husband, Chris. She is as passionate about soil as she is about her community and as passionate about her community as she is about changing the world. In this episode we talk about her incredible closed loop farm, the revolution she is building in the fashion world with Range Revolution, and her new venture building a co-op in Central Oregon. We also explore water in the West and tease out both bureaucratic and climatic drought and how to build more resilient systems in brittle environments. In this reverse interview, we delve into Cate’s heritage and what makes her tick in the latter half of the show - exploring how we inherit intergenerational strengths and how we can consider passing those along to our kids.&nbsp;Find Cate:Instagram: @rangerevolution, @casadfamilyfarms, @havstadhatco&nbsp;YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@casadfamilyfarmsTimestamps:00:07:10: Cate + Kate Begin: Defining a Revolution00:11:37: Economics of Peace&nbsp;00:16:33: Closed loop systems and Casad Family Farms00:37:13: Drought&nbsp;01:03:36: Range Revolution and regenerative leather&nbsp;01:27:29: Economies of scale&nbsp;01:39:51: Our heritage is a part of what drives us&nbsp;01:49:54: Our parents, becoming parentsResourcesSchumacher Center: An Economics of PeaceMegan French of Boundless FarmsteadBooks:Wendell Berry on Building an Economics of PeaceFor the Love of Soil by Nicole MastersListening:Long Promised Road by the Beach BoysCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: <a...

As the digital world looms, this discussion is an exploration of built and natural worlds and how they impact us as a species. Daniel Vitalis, host of WildFed on the Outdoor Channel and formerly host of the podcasts Rewild Yourself and Wild Fed, joins Kate in a conversation that finds humanity at different points in time and with different viewpoints of time itself. It’s an exploration of the environments that shaped our species, from our hunter-gatherer roots, to agriculture, and into our dreams of launching ourselves into space. At this precipice that we find ourselves on, it’s more important than ever to consider how modern thinking has been shaped by our environments - the natural world, the built world, the socio-political world, and beyond. Nested in the conversation is an exploration of death’s role in connecting us to reality and to our food. Towards the end, there is a question around what skills we want future generations to know that we must keep alive today, as it’s not just multiple species that are on the brink of extinction.&nbsp;We also talk about:Living in captivity and the degeneration of humansHow our thoughts and viewpoints might impact something like how we run or swimCyclical time&nbsp;Find Daniel:Instagram: @wild.fed @danielvitalis @surthrival&nbsp;Website: WildFed, Surthrival&nbsp;Podcasts: WildFed, Rewild Yourself&nbsp;Timestamps:00:00:00: Kate introduces Daniel in her intro00:09:16: Built vs Natural world&nbsp;00:22:48: A Space Race00:32:50: Are we zoo animals?00:43:22: Feeding hunter-gatherers00:50:49: Cataclysmic events change humans01:00:31: How we think influences how we do anything01:07:50: Getting back to cycles: men, women, time, days of the week01:24:20: Death is part of the cycle01:39:52: Saving skills for the next generationOther Great Interviews with Daniel:&nbsp;on the Align PodcastOn Luke Storey(A Few) Favorite Episodes of Wild Fed:Doug Bock ClarkPhilippe Grenade-WillisDan FloresBooks Mentioned:Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury<a...

Katie Forrest, together with her husband Taylor Collins, is the founder of Epic Bar and one of the minds behind Force of Nature Meats and Roam Ranch in Fredericksburg, Texas. Katie herself is a force of nature as a business owner, mother, wife, rancher, and human. Together, we explore the perennial nature of hope and how we can think about modeling businesses after lessons we learn in nature. Spread throughout are messages from the land and from our children about learning to slow down and to listen and an exploration of hope. Towards the end, we cover the importance of ground meat to the food system and the important role of aggregators in the regenerative business ecosystem. This is a beautiful and very inspiring conversation!Find Katie // Instagram: @forceofnaturemeats, @roamranchWhat Good Shall I Do Conference: WGSIDKATE75 (limited supplies)For Katie’s Backstory // Where Hope Grows Podcast: Ranch Stories: The GenesisTimestamps:00:00:00: Intro + the Importance of Aggregators00:06:34: What Good Shall I Do Conference00:11:38: A Gift (?) of Geese00:16:13: Jumping into business00:26:04: Building an ecosystem of businesses00:40:09: Modeling businesses after nature: symbiosis and limits00:44:59: Slowing down to build connection00:55:35: Roam Ranch01:17:15: Seeing through the eyes of your children01:22:31: Hope: leaving our children shade01:32:22: Ground meat is great&nbsp;01:43:49: Role of the aggregator&nbsp;Books Mentioned:Slow Down and Be Here Now by Laura BrandBiology of Wonder by Andreas WeberCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

So many of us have had the experience of nature, of farming, bringing us back to ourselves. Adrian Grenier’s story isn’t much different - several years ago he found himself disconnected and in a state of constantly numbing. Coming back to the idea of ‘chop wood, carry water’ he came home to a place after changing just about everything. Adrian and I talk about the nature of disconnection and the connection we can find in nature. We start with the idea that everything has to die - even versions of ourselves - in order to nourish our future, where we might even find ourselves in the infinite. One of Adrian’s philosophies is to constantly be increasing sensation and connection - so we dive into just what that might mean on a practical level. Adrian is an apprentice of the land and exploring what it means to live at Earth Speed.&nbsp;Find Adrian:Instagram: @adriangrenier, @earthspeedEarth Speed on YouTubeOther Great Interviews with Adrian:&nbsp;Adrian Grenier on the Meat MafiaTimestamps:00:00:00: Introducing Adrian and how we met&nbsp;00:10:30: Spring sets some themes of death, rebirth, renewal, transformation00:12:37: Finding future self in the infinite&nbsp;00:18:30: Death of versions of ourselves&nbsp;00:20:30: Chop wood, carry water - connecting to nature&nbsp;00:26:35: Increasing sensation and connection&nbsp;00:35:00: Connecting to intuition&nbsp;00:41:00: Being an apprentice to the land00:46:05: Living at the cadence of earth speed&nbsp;00:55:40: Feeling at home in earth + our current isolation01:07:32: Starting with small solutions Books Mentioned:Matter and Desire: An Erotic EcologyCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Mind, Body, and SoilFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Heidi Boucher is a home funeral guide and writer and director of the documentary ‘In the Parlor’ where she follows the intimate journey of three families as they navigate caring for their dead at home. Heidi’s work with death is tender and truly beautiful. In this episode we unpack how funerals moved from the parlors of our homes to funeral parlors in just 150 years including the rise of the funeral industrial complex. We explore the very human emotion of conflating our fear of grief, loss, and ‘abandonment’ with the fear of death and the dead. This is as much an exploration of how to have a funeral in your home and navigating the legalities and practicalities of it as it is a conversation around grief. We talk about forming relationships with our dead loved ones, whether they’ve died recently or in the distant past and forming a relationship with grief, who we walk hand in hand with in this life. This is an unfurling conversation and while it may seem heavy at first blush - I left it with an incredible sense of lightness.&nbsp;We also talk about:Navigating death with children and teensScaling home funerals &amp; so much moreFind Heidi:&nbsp;Film: In the Parlor (intheparlordoc.com)Get in touch with Heidi: [email protected]:00:03:20: the Funeral Industry by the Numbers00:08:29: Introducing Heidi and setting intentions00:11:44: How death and funeral care has shifted in 150 years00:21:27: How our views of death have shifted&nbsp;00:26:57: Fear of death vs fear of grief&nbsp;00:37:30: Modeling death as parents//for children00:46:03: How media has shifted death&nbsp;00:52:39: The ‘how tos’ of home funeral care&nbsp;01:04:52: Nurturing our relationships with the dead&nbsp;01:15:14: The first 72 hours after death - making room for grief01:30:18: Funeral care is scalable - you can pick and choose what you want to do01:39:20: Bringing death home&nbsp;A List of Books Mentioned:Find the full list HEREMore Resources:Home Funeral Alliance&nbsp;Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Scott Carney’s book ‘the Wedge’ changed my life a little bit, and it has led me down a rabbit hole into his work over the years. From the Enlightenment Trap, to What Doesn’t Kill Us, and into some of his interviews around consciousness. In this episode, we dive deep into death and how our biological programming to fear it can be both a hindrance and a reason to challenge ourselves. We talk about how the wellness industry wants to sell you living forever, and that might not be such a new idea. Ultimately, this is a conversation around our actions and the way we can place what Scott calls “the wedge” between stimulus and response at an individual level, and maybe even at a societal level. It’s also about getting out of our own perspective and imagining what it might be like to be a cat, or the motivations of a cell as much as it’s about learning to change our perspectives.&nbsp;Find Scott:Instagram: @scottcarneyYouTubeI thoroughly recommend Scott’s Audiobooks!The VortexThe WedgeThe Enlightement TrapWhat Doesn’t Kill UsOther Great Interviews with Scott:&nbsp;Scott Carney on Third Eye DropsTimestamps:00:14:22: I finally stop talking and start the episode&nbsp;00:17:14: How fear of death shapes our biology00:25:26: the wellness industry wants to sell you living forever00:28:32: Ripple effects of our actions&nbsp;00:39:48: Self and other - being shaped by our environments and microbiome00:48:15: ‘Umwelt’ and empathy&nbsp;00:51:26: Outsourcing our natural relationships to technology&nbsp;00:54:24: From a cell’s perspective01:02:00: ‘the Wedge’ at a societal level&nbsp;01:17:42: Changing our minds01:24:31: Being a generalistBooks Mentioned:The Sandman (Book 1) by Neil GaimanStory of the Human Body by Daniel E LiebermanRange by David EpsteinCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: <a...

Quick Note: A technical glitch in new recording software meant that my audio was recorded not on my microphone. My deepest apologies for the decline in audio quality! It’s still great, just a little tinny, won't happen again!Caroline is a rancher, cow girl, an entrepreneur, and a newly minted podcast host of Chews Wisely. In this marathon episode, we cover a lot of ground, but central to the conversation is an exploration of the stories we’re telling ourselves as individuals, as farmers and ranchers, and as a society and what it would mean to change them. Caroline shares about the stories she heard growing up and how she chose to tell herself a new story - a story that would lead her through a career in music, to masonry, to ranching in Montana. We meander through what it means to build a regenerative business, looking at your return on investment on time, and building the scaffolding for a new business led with femininity. We explore what it means to cultivate aggressive joy and how we can use choice as a lever in that process. We also talk about the way food is marketed, greenwashing, and how waste management might actually be the climate solution we’re looking for (jk, there are no panaceas, but it might help!).&nbsp;We Also Talk About:&nbsp;Building grit + tenacity&nbsp;Trusting ourselvesFinding steadinessImposter syndrome&nbsp;Find Caroline:Instagram: @bigskycarolineMeat: Little Creek MontanaPodcast: @chewswisely &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Cowgirl Camp&nbsp;&nbsp;Timestamps:00:06:47: Special announcement for Stella Maria Baer’s Earth Oil Pigment Workshop00:14:04: Caroline enters the chat and we complain about our husbands00:18:24: Accountability to your future self00:30:58: No quick fixes, big or small00:39:49: Caroline’s backstory01:01:52: Building a Business and the Trust Muscle01:26:39: Including our Labor; ROI on Work01:44:30: Cultivating aggressive joy01:54:36: A new story for ranching02:16:24: Embracing the feminine in business and beyond02:37:14: Our relationship with food02:44:58: Chews WiselyIn the Intro:Stella Maria Baer’s Oil Pigment Paints Workshop&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:The Heroine’s Journey by Maureen Murdoch&nbsp;Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: <a...

Dr. Bill Schindler is an experimental archaeologist, anthropologist, restauranteur, hunter, butcher, father, husband…. And Renaissance man when it comes to early man. Author of ‘Eat Like a Human’, Bill and I dive right into a conversation about the origins of homo sapiens and how technology and morphology shaped our modern form. We talk about hunting and the consumption of meat vs animal and how butchery evolves alongside humans. Bill owns a restaurant, Modern Stoneage Kitchen, and we take a sidebar conversation to explore entrepreneurship, food safety, and more in relation to getting healthy food to people. This naturally dovetails into a conversation about all things fermented and the microbiome of ruminants, fowl, humans, and beyond. We close up with a conversation about the consumption of clays, geophagy, and ultimately the importance of sharing food with the people we love. Please note if you want more of the foundations of 'Eat Like a Human' and Bill's work - I've linked to a couple of interviews of his that I enjoyed on other podcasts. We Also Talk About:&nbsp;Geophagy&nbsp;Entrepreneurship&amp; so much more&nbsp;Other Great Interviews with Bill:&nbsp;Bill on Peak Human pt 1Bill on Peak Human pt 2Bill on WildFedFind Bill:&nbsp;Eat Like a Human by Dr. Bill SchindlerBill’s Instagram: @drbillschindler&nbsp;Modern Stoneage Kitchen Instagram: @modernstoneagekitchenEastern Shore Food Lab Instagram: @esfoodlabBill’s WebsiteTimestamps:00:05:33: Bill Introduces Himself00:09:53: Origins of Modern Homo Sapien00:18:05: Kate has a bone to pick about Thumbs00:24:32: Other factors potentially driving evolution and culture00:31:37: How hunting changes the game&nbsp;00:34:48: Meat vs animal; butchery now and then&nbsp;00:43:05: A brief history of food safety and exploration of modern food entrepreneurship00:54:12: Fermentation and microbiomes in humans, rumens, crops, and beyond01:11:11: Geophagy&nbsp;01:21:21: the cultural importance of food is… maybe the most important part01:29:59: Processed food&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:&nbsp;St. Catherines: An Island in Time by David Hurst ThomasThe Art of Natural Cheesemaking by David Asher<a...

Blair is a farmer, a mother, a homeschooler, a milkmaid, a renegade. On this episode, I sit down with Blair Prenoveau who you might know as @startafarm on Instagram. In this episode, she unpacks why you might start a farm including the deep purpose, nutrition, and connection it offers. She doesn’t, however, shy away from the hardships and together we deep dive into the financial hardship that is owning a very small farm. We also talk about intimacy with your food and connecting to death. She shares about her journey raising 4 homeschooled kids largely solo and what it has meant to be a single mother farming. The positive feedback loop on eating nourishing food is an important topic, and we posit why it may just be the most important step in getting people to start more farms.&nbsp;We Also Talk About:&nbsp;Mending&nbsp;Milking&amp; so much more&nbsp;Find Blair:Instagram: @startafarm&nbsp;Timestamps:00:00:00: Kate on a note of hope&nbsp;00:05:23: Nervous Systems00:08:33: What Good Shall I Do Conference&nbsp;00:10:15: Our own labor counts when raising our food&nbsp;00:13:22: Blair’s background00:22:43: Start a farm&nbsp;00:44:15: Connecting deeply to our animals&nbsp;01:03:29: Bucking the system&nbsp;01:18:00: Farming and parenting01:28:00: Farming finances&nbsp;01:45:40: Raw cream saves the world&nbsp;Mentioned in IntroIrene Lyon’s SmartBody SmartMind CourseWhat Good Shall I Do ConferenceCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Maren Morgan and Jake Marquez are on a journey to find the truth and the root of connectedness through their film, podcast series, and future book - Death in the Garden. In this episode, we unpack a lot of the stories, mythologies, narratives, and perhaps truths of what it means to be human. At the beginning, Jake and Maren lead us through the garden whether they are the physical gardens we tend, Eden, or our conception of utopia. In those gardens, they touch on concepts like consciousness, order, chaos, nature, agriculture, and beyond. Underpinning those conversations are questions like: what is the human role with earth? In a time when misanthropy runs rampant, how do we reclaim our place in the garden with the rise of AI and the machine? We unpack Jake and Maren’s past and history with food, with veganism, and whether or not eating meat imbues us with more aliveness and a sense of the sacredness of relationships. But there is no food without death and so next we unpack death and what it means to practice dying, to try to control death, to accept death, and to look at death not as an end, but as an alchemical space of transformation. Jake weaves in our own more recent mythologies, and how Harry Potter and Star Wars have become a part of our narratives around death.We also talk about:Intimacy with foodthe Hero’s Journeyand so much more!Timestamps:&nbsp;00:07:24: the Death in the Garden Project and Being ‘In Process’00:17:52: Heterodox Thinking and Developing a Compass for Truth00:25:21: “The Garden”00:48:46: Misanthropy + Our Human Relationship to Earth01:06:49: Jake + Maren’s Backstories // the Hero’s Journey01:18:14: Death in Our Current Culture01:31:47: Practicing Dying&nbsp;01:46:51: Intimacy with Food&nbsp;02:08:46: the Latent Villain Archetype and Controlling Death: Darth Vader meets Voldemort02:21:40: Support the FilmFind Jake and Maren:SubstackDeath in the Garden Film + PodcastIG: @deathinthegardenJake IG: @arqetype.mediaMaren IG: @onyxmoonlightSelected Works from Jake and Maren:The Terrible and the Tantalizing EssayWe Are Only Passing Through EssayResources Mentioned:Daniel QuinnThe Wild Edge of Sorrow by Frances WellerWhere is the Edge of Me? By Nora Bateson&nbsp;Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall KimmererFall of Civilization...

Alex Rosenberg-Rigutto could not be defined by a single metric, maybe other than to say that her joy and zest for life are definitively contagious. In this incredible episode, Alex details the arc of her life and her journey to farming, stopping along the way to explore important aspects of what makes us human from our interaction with our environments to the importance of every day ritual. Kate and Alex explore the impacts of being medicated as children and how formative experiences shaped their idea of discipline, laying the ground work for a big conversation about the ‘Discipline/Pleasure’ axis. Alex shares about how her experiences with addiction led her to farming and teases out an important difference in how we seek to re-create various environments when, really, we are trying to find connection. Throughout the episode are themes of dissolving boundaries, finding a place outside of the small box society often puts on us, and building skills on the farm, in the kitchen, and beyond.&nbsp;Timestamps:00:01:33: Introducing Alex + A Note on Discipline00:08:42: Home of Wool&nbsp;00:11:53: Alex and Kate are obsessed with salt00:18:23: Alex’s childhood environment and an exploration of overmedicating children00:25:49: Recreating vs re-creating; drug use and the search for connection00:32:31: Finding home in farming and being in service to land00:50:24: On ritual: from the every day, to earth based Judaism, and beyond00:59:11: Creating layers in the kitchen&nbsp;01:22:13: Exploring the Discipline/Pleasure Axis01:47:44: Building Skills and North Woods Farm and Skill01:55:03: Kate + Alex Share a side story about teeth and oral health journeys02:12:31: Alex closes with a beautiful wish for farming&nbsp;Find Alex:Instagram: @alexandraskyee&nbsp;@northwoodsfarmandskillResources:&nbsp;Bean Tree Farm - ArizonaDiscipline is Destiny by Ryan Holiday&nbsp;Discipline/Pleasure Axis GraphicWhat Good Shall I Do ConferenceCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15Join the Ground Work Collective:Find a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting:&nbsp;groundworkcollective.com/disclaimerYouTube Page

Brian Sanders is the brain behind the upcoming film series Food Lies and the Instagram account by the same name. His work with Food Lies and his podcast, Peak Human, is about uncovering the lies we’ve been told about food. We dive deep in this podcast to explore where the engine driving the lies in our food system might have gotten its start. How far back does it go? We look at the beginning of agriculture all the way to the Rockefellers to find answers. The shaping of our food system has major implications for the systems of modern day life past the food system and we peek at our education system, medical system, financial system, and more. At the heart of this conversation, though, is how our relationship with food makes us human and whether or not we can return to the meaning of the Homo Sapien (wise human) or if we’ll continue to fall for the lies we’re being sold.&nbsp;We Also Talk About:&nbsp;Community as a nutrient and its role in our livesSatiety and its importance&nbsp;&amp; so much more&nbsp;Timestamps:0:12:08: Brian’s Background0:17:43: Where being human and food intersect0:25:42: Power structures and food0:31:23: Where the food lies begin.&nbsp;0:42:19: Where the food lies meet big money0:46:07: The weaponization of the greater good&nbsp;0:52:09: What to do to get out of a broken system/exit the matrix1:04:08: Are humans wired for comfort and how do we dig into discomfort?1:14:00: Are humans capable of long term thinking?1:26:00: Community as a nutrient1:29:49: Satiety&nbsp;Find Brian:Instagram: @food.liesPodcast: Peak HumanFilm Website: Food Lies&nbsp;Resources:&nbsp;The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson IserbytEat Like a Human by Bill SchindlerPeak Human Guest: Gary FettkePeak Human Guest: Ted Naiman on SatietyPeak Human Guest: Mary Ruddick on Debunking Blue ZonesJustin Wren on Joe Rogan re: CommunityAlso Mentioned in Intro:What Good Shall I Do ConferenceCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off15% off <a href="https://us.boncharge.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

James Connolly is a film producer (most recently - Sacred Cow), co-host of the Sustainable Dish podcast, avid reader, and passionate about food. It’s hard to encapsulate this conversation in a description - we cover a lot of ground. At its core, it’s the broad strokes of just how we ended up in our current paradigm. We start about 150 years ago, where we follow threads of the move from rural to urban environments and how the idea of ‘cleanliness’ begins to take hold. We cover the Great Grain Robbery and the formation of commodities that would change the agricultural world and how technology has played a role in these early formation of food systems and how it’s playing a role now, leading into a conversation of techno-utopias. James covers school systems, as someone who has run a non-profit for schools in New York, and how we’re taught what to think, not how to think and the compulsory education experiment. We also dive into the history of medicalizing the human experience using some personal anecdotes around grief to explore the world of psychiatric medication and beyond. All of this leads into a discussion of the techno-utopia that we’re often being marketed and the shape of the current food system. It’s a big, rolling conversation filled with all the book recommendations you need to keep it going.We also talk about:&nbsp;Butchery through the lens of two butchersThe vilification of meat&nbsp;Effective Altruism&nbsp;&amp; so much more (seriously, so much more)Timestamps:&nbsp;09:30: The Sanitization of Humanity&nbsp;18:54: The Poison Squad33:03: The Great Grain Robbery + Commodities&nbsp;44:24: Techno-Utopias The Genesis of the Idea that Technology is the Answer55:01: Tunnel Vision in Technology, Carbon, and Beyond1:02:00: Food in Schools and Compulsory Education1:11:00: Medicalization of Human Experience1:51:00: Effective Altruism&nbsp;2:11:00: Butchery&nbsp;2:25:00: More Techno-Utopias&nbsp;Find James:&nbsp;Twitter: @jamescophoto&nbsp;Instagram: @primatekitchenPodcast: Sustainable Dish&nbsp;Reading/Watching List&nbsp;The Invention of Capitalism by Michael PerelmanDaniel Quinn’s WorksThe Poison Squad by Deborah BlumMister Jones (film)Shibumi by Trevanian&nbsp;Dumbing Us Down: the Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling by John Taylor GattoThree Identical Strangers (film)Related Mind, Body, and Soil Episodes:<a href="https://groundworkcollective.com/2022/09/21/episode29-anthony-gustin/"...

In this short solocast, Kate catches us up after her impromptu break before we start the new year with a huge slate of exciting episodes. But first... a little business to attend to. The Ground Work Podcast is becoming the Mind, Body, and Soil podcast. Same Kate, same amazing guests, new title!Kate also shares some big business news, a little about her thoughts on New Year's, and a little thank you to all of you.

Anna Borgman is a butcher, slaughterwoman, ardent reader, and curious student of life. In this episode we dive deep into one of the most unexplored aspects of our food system: the processor, the butcher, the slaughterhouse. The place where animals make their transition to food through the portal of death. We dive into what this means: what it means for the people working there, how our current culture misses this step in the food chain, and what it means to “turn the hard work of farmers into food.” Anna and I also talk about our own relationships with death and how anxieties around death led her to get closer to understanding something that can never be fully understood. We didn’t stop there, though, and in this episode we talk about how our bodies may just be vehicles for microbes, seeking out disconfirmation, leveraging curiosity, and so much more.&nbsp;We Also Talk About:&nbsp;Body Image and ButcheryHumans place on earth&nbsp;&amp; so much more&nbsp;Find Anna:Instagram: @annaborgman, @foragefedWebsite: Forage Fed&nbsp;Resources from the Episode:The Basque History of the World by Mark KurlanskyRed Meat Republic by Joshua SpechtThe Meat Paradox by Rob PercivalNorth Bridger BisonCustom Knives: @jessevosler_vigilanteforgeCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code BLACKSHEEP20 (until November 30th) and code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off after that.Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.com

Dr. Suuzi Hazen is a wife, mother, farmer and healer who raises goats in the rugged fire country of north-eastern California. She is the founder of Mother's Best Liver Pills, the original microbrewery of grass-fed beef liver supplements. Suuzi is a Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine and in this episode we dive right into the liver, looking at it not just through the lens of Traditional Chinese Medicine, but through an ancestral and spiritual lens. Suuzi goes on to unpack traditional lifeways and how we can find a connection in our modern world when it comes to child rearing, raising a family, and beyond. As two goat owners only could, we discuss the ways that goats connect us back to a different time. We also dive into marriage and sexuality and unpack the highs and lows of long term partnerships. This is a jam packed episode with an incredible guest.Note: this episode contains explicit content. Find Suuzi:Instagram: @drsuuzihazenWebsite: Mother’s Best Liver PillsRelated Ground Work Episodes:Hamid JabbarTara CoutureCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code BLACKSHEEP20 (until November 30th) and code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% off after that.Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comFind Kate: @kate_kavanaughMore: groundworkcollective.com

Lily Nichols, RDN is shifting the paradigm on what it means to eat for your health in your child-bearing years. Author of Real Food for Pregnancy and Real Food for Gestational Diabetes, Lily is leading a grassroots movement on getting back to eating nutrient dense foods and is at the cutting edge of the research on just how important they are for the health of mother, infant, and future generations. In this episode, we cover the journey from pre-conception through post-partum nutrition, highlighting just where the history of foods recommended for pregnancy begins to go awry. Lily’s book is incredibly comprehensive in breaking down vital nutrients and their whole food sources and with many podcast interviews under her belt - we dive into some different topics. Looking at the importance of nutrition not just through the lens of the developing baby but also the health and vitality and resiliency of the mother. We talk about the importance of whole food nutrients together in their food source and the synergy of those nutrients in things like liver, egg yolks, and collagen-rich cuts. We also dive into body wisdom and whether or not we should listen to cravings. This is an incredible episode for women and men both thinking about their long-term health and conception journeys - Lily’s dietary recommendations aren’t just for those trying to conceive or pregnant - they’re good recommendations for anyone seeking a more nutrient dense diet.&nbsp;We also talk about:&nbsp;Glycine and the importance of collagen&nbsp;Making regenerative meat more accessible&amp; so much moreFind LilyWebsite: lilynicholsrdn.comInstagram: @lilynicholsrdnBooks: Real Food for Pregnancy, Real Food for Gestational DiabetesFurther Reading Mentioned:&nbsp;Protein Requirements in Pregnancy Article by Lily NicholsNourishmentVitamin A deficiency linked to diaphragmatic herniaThe Dorito EffectWired to EatRelated Ground Work Episodes:Dr. Stephan van Vliet on the science behind regenerative ag

Initially, my husband, Josh Curtiss, and I conceived of this episode as a way to share about the importance of play and imagination in our relationship and as a 2-year wedding anniversary present to ourselves (and 14 years together). But after I put a question sticker on Instagram for relationship questions and received a massive response - it became a place for us to dive into not just play, imagination, and fun but also the highs and lows of our relationship. So often, we are not afforded peeks inside of a real relationship, but on this episode we are real and honest and totally transparent about the good, the bad, and the spicy. We cover fighting, cheating, forgiveness, keeping it sexy after 14 years, always having something to talk about, staying curious about your partner, and so much more. This episode was built for those who love love, who want to hear about the choices we make in relationships to stay through the tough stuff, and about how to evolve together. We also answered all of your questions! Do we want children? What are our love languages? And so many more. As a note, this episode does contain some explicit content where we talk about sex, though it is not graphic in nature. Find Josh:Instagram: @thejoshofalltradesWebsite: westerndaughters.com&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:&nbsp;From the Core by John WinelandArtist in Love by Madelyn MoonRelated Ground Work Episodes:Collecting Skills with Josh Curtiss Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15

In this special ‘Thanksgiving’ episode, Frank Reese and Jed Greenberg of Good Shepherd Conservancy are talking turkey. Frank gives an incredibly fascinating in depth run down of the history of the poultry industry, from the incredible men and women that defined standardbred poultry in the 1800’s to the rise of industrial poultry in the mid 1900’s and how the industrial model really set the tone for other confinement operations with other species. He discusses how he came about preserving biodiversity in a world that favors animal monoculture and genetics in a time where 1 breed of livestock goes extinct each week and just why biodiversity is so important. We also explore the studies that show that standardbred birds can have a lower omega 3:omega 6 ratio based on genetics alone! In the end, we talk about turkey specifically and the mission at Good Shepherd to bring better raised poultry to everyone!We also talk about:&nbsp;Cooking heritage turkeys&amp; so much moreFind Frank + Jed:Instagram: @good_shepherd_conservancyWebsite: https://goodshepherdconservancy.orgOrder Turkeys: If you’re in Colorado/local to Denver: https://westerndaughters.square.site/product/heritage-turkey/1100, If you’re anywhere else: https://heritagefoods.com/collections/turkey-poultry&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:&nbsp;Chicken People&nbsp;Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran FoerRelated Ground Work Episodes:Building Resilient Communities with Will HarrisDark Matter of Nutrition with Dr. Stephan van VlietMeat is the Medicine with Brett Ender&nbsp;Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15

Molly Haviland is a soil microbial ecologist and self proclaimed soil dork who works in land rehabilitation with her company, Haviland Earth Regeneration (HER). In today’s episode she shares the contents of her microscope, illuminating the beautiful universe beneath our feet, through story. She begins by walking us through ways we can open up a dialogue with the plant realm and form a relationship with nature. We then dive below the Earth’s crust as Molly walks us through a peek into the soil food web and the characters and organisms that exist there. Her reflections on soil naturally evolve into a reflection of society and how the communities below ground might offer us ideas for our communities above ground and our own health and wellness. We talk about reclaiming the feminine in how we connect to earth and ourselves, learning to get in touch with our intuition and sense of embodiment and also dive into what it might mean to compost grief. Molly has a true gift for speaking and this episode will find you wanting to go out and hold the earth and speak to the soil, it is not to be missed.&nbsp;We also talk about:&nbsp;Listening to the land&amp; so much moreFind Molly:Email: [email protected]: @haviland_earth_regenerationWebsite: Microherder’s ManifestoFurther Reading Mentioned:&nbsp;We based some of this conversation off of the work of Maureen Murdoch in the Heroine’s Journey&nbsp;Plant Spirit Medicine Eliot CowanFor the Love of Soil by Nicole MastersRelated Ground Work Episodes:How Soil Shapes the World with David Montgomery and Anne BikléFarming with Intention with Alicia BrownLearning to Come Home to Yourself with Lacey JeanCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off&nbsp;Farm True&nbsp;ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram:&nbsp;@groundworkcollective&nbsp;Find a Farm:&nbsp;nearhome.groundworkcollective.com&nbsp;More:&nbsp;groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting:&nbsp;groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Nicolette Hahn Niman is an environmental lawyer, a former vegetarian, an advocate for meat, and also a mother and a cattle rancher. Often times on this podcast with guests that have done many interviews, I will take a more unexplored path - but you can always find other interviews in the links. In this interview, Nicolette and I explore Defending Beef and where meat was in 2014 at the time of its first publication and where it is now 8 years later with the new edition. We briefly touch on Livestock’s Long Shadow and how a figure that was later retracted, launched a thousand vegan campaigns, when really the author of the paper’s aim was to further concentrate animal feeding operations and eliminate grazing. Nicolette elegantly explains carbon, methane, and water cycles in relationship to meat. While meat has its fair share of vilification, this interview really focuses on what it means to BUILD a new system. We dive into not just the obvious benefits of raising meat regeneratively, but also the intangible benefits. Things like raising kids on ranches, building good citizens, strengthening microbiomes, preserving ecosystems from development, and coming home to rural communities. We also talk about husbandry and the contract that we entered into with animals as humans at the dawn of domestication and what it means to uphold those contracts. Nicolette dives into advocacy and policy as a vehicle for changing the landscape of our food system.&nbsp;We also talk about:&nbsp;Witnessing joy and finding mentors in our cattleHow yields and centralization changed the industry&amp; so much moreFind Nicolette:Twitter: @defendingbeefFacebook: Defending BeefBook: Defending Beef: The Ecological and Nutritional Case for Meat (Second Edition) by Nicolette Hahn Niman&nbsp;Further Reading Mentioned:&nbsp;It’s worth noting that Defending Beef leaves a breadcrumb trail of other fantastic authors - so dive into the book for more!Wilding by Isabella TreeResources Mentioned:Walter Jehne’s Water CyclesRelated Ground Work Episodes:Dr. Stephan van Vliet on the science behind regenerative agWill Harris on building rural communities&nbsp;David Montgomery and Anne Bikle on building soil healthOther Podcasts Featuring Nicolette’s Work:Nicolette on Peak Human&nbsp;Nicolette on Mark HymanCurrent...

Themes: Healing Chronic Illness, Animal-Based Diets, Intersection of Big Food and Big Pharma, Decentralization of Systems, Listening to your GutBrett Ender embarked on a healing journey in 2016 that would see him hospitalized from debilitating ulcerative colitis and taking a 65,000 dollar drug once every 8 weeks to having no signs of inflammation or microinflammation in 2019. What happened in between? In 2018, Brett went full carnivore and within 2 weeks saw a complete abatement of symptoms. His story, these days, isn’t all that rare but where it led Brett, into a deep exploration of health and nutrition, food systems, and regenerative agriculture. Today, he is half of the Meat Mafia duo, where he explores nutrition and food with guests on his podcast. In this episode, we unpack his healing journey and the rise of chronic conditions like ulcerative colitis. Why are these inflammatory autoimmune conditions on the rise? Can they be cured? How do we leverage diet and lifestyle interventions to our benefit? Brett and I also explore what it means to invest in your health and the ROIs you might not have considered when it comes to “giving up” foods you love that might not love you back. We talk about meat as a healing modality and finding the motivation to spark change. We do a deep dive into the history of our current food model and how food and pharmaceuticals have gotten us into this mess and how decentralization can get us out of it. Brett is incredibly inspirational and throughout this journey, he makes catalyzing change feel simple and actionable.We also talk about:How to talk to your doctor and become the CEO of your own healthHow to become your own experimentGut feelings and finding your intuitionThe importance of continuing to have conversations with people who view things differently&amp; so much moreFind Brett:Twitter: @mrsollozzoInstagram: @themeatmafiapodcastWebsite: themeatmafia.substack.comResources Mentioned:The Maker’s Diet by Jordan RubinWhite Oak Pastures on the USDA GrantThe Society for Metabolic Health Practitioners (Find a Doc)The Sunshine Study&nbsp;Related Ground Work Episodes:Dr. Anthony Gustin (for more on decentralizing food systems)Sarah Kleiner (for more on leveraging an animal based diet for health)Ashleigh VanHouten (on cooking Carnivore-ish)Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off <a...

In May, Erin Pata and I sat down and talked about ranching, art, raising kids, and climbing mountains. It was also about navigating life as a highly sensitive person, listening to your inner knowing, and consciously creating your path in life. If you didn’t catch this first episode - I highly recommend returning to it before diving in here. Erin is full of as much wisdom as she is humor, a true delight to listen to.At the time of our last episode, she was looking towards the summit of Mt. Rainier. Late this Summer, I sat down with Erin and talked about that journey. Did she make it to the top? What was the process like? Was the summit the high point of the climb? In this mini-episode, Erin shares her journey and it’s one of deep inspiration. It’s about doing the thing you’ve always dreamt of doing, it’s about Type 2 fun, and it’s about it never being too late to learn a skill in life, to climb the mountain.Find stunning pictures of Erin’s climb on the episode webpage!Find Erin:Twitter: @butterbeanstudiosWebsite: butterbeanstudios.comBooks Mentioned:Robert MacFarlane’s Mountains of the MindRelated Ground Work Episodes:The Journey to the Summit with Erin PataCurrent Discounts for GW listeners: 15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimerEpisode Webpage

Anne Biklé and Dave Montgomery are a husband and wife team and authors of the newly released What Your Food Ate and the trilogy: Dirt: the Erosion of Civilizations, the Hidden Half of Nature, and Growing a Revolution. Together, with Anne’s lens of biology, and David’s lens of geology, they explore the topics of soil, land, and human health. In this episode, we explore all things soil. Starting with an exploration of how many dynamics between organisms above ground feel combative, but life beneath the soil is truly collaborative. Anne and Dave explore nutrient cycles and how nutrition in the form of minerals is liberated from rocks by microbial and fungal life and recycled through time. We also explore how plants and animals (including humans) get their nutrition. Anne and Dave touch on the state of our soils and what it means to have lost around half of our soil organic matter in a short amount of time and what we can do about it. Touched on are ideas around taking a long view, and how we can do that with our own health and land health and how the history of the treatment of soil might teach us a little bit more about looking into the future. We look at not just regenerative agriculture, but also the impacts of chemical and mechanized agriculture. Ultimately, Anne and Dave guide us towards the future and just how much hope and resiliency nature is capable of.We also talk about:Policy changes informing changes in practiceBoom and bust cycles of agriculture and civilization&amp; so much moreFind Anne + Dave:Twitter: @dig2growWebsite: dig2grow.comAnne + Dave’s Books (in order - but can absolutely be read independently):Dirt: The Erosion of CivilizationsThe Hidden Half of Nature: The Microbial Roots of Life and HealthGrowing a Revolution: Bringing Our Soil Back to LifeWhat Your Food Ate: How to Heal Our Land and Reclaim Our HealthRelated Ground Work Episodes:Stephan van Vliet (for more on phytochemicals and the dark matter of nutrition)Brad Marshall (for more on omega 3:omega 6 ratios)Alicia Brown (for more on no till agriculture and growing for nutrients)Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: <a...

China Tresemer is at once writer, artist, winemaker, farmer, and something else altogether. Her new website, Still Life with Field Notes, is dedicated to weaving together the threads of her work in collaboration with the earth - from her art, writing, recipes, and beyond. At home in the space where the Hood River meets the Columbia River, between rainforest and desert, China grows plants, animals, and grapes at Hiyu Wine Farm. She opens by talking about how farming is her medium, and in the conversation the theme of medium, in between, and liminal recurs. In this episode, we explore the natural winery she co-founded, Hiyu, and what it means to grow dozens upon dozens of grape varietals under categories such as light phenomena, birds of prey, constellations, and the hedgerow. We get curious about the space where terrestrial bodies meet celestial bodies and where astrology influences people and plants alike. We dive deep into unpacking terroir through the lens of the beautiful intimacy we can find with animal, land, season, and people. China shares her thoughts on recipes, cooking, and how taste invites us to connect to something deeper. Fermentation is at the heart of many of the inner workings of Hiyu and we explore its connection to transformation - whether it’s compost into fertility, grapes into wine, or leaven into bread. This is a wide ranging and beautiful conversation for ushering in the Autumn season.We also talk about:Permaculture, Biodynamic, and ultimately - learning to read the landAutumn and the space betweenFarming and the connection to the spiritual&amp; so much moreFind China:Instagram: @stellagraphia, @hiyuwinefarmChina’s Website Still Life with Field NotesHiyu Wine FarmThe Understory MembershipAll Reading/Books/Etc Mentioned Can Be Found on the Episode Website:Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollective, @kate_kavanaughFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comEpisode Website

Brandi Stanley is a walking and talking paradox and you are, too. This episode is a long-form podcast between two people that don’t know how to be bite-sized. Often discussed through the lens of paradox where paradox is the answer and not the problem, and pleasure is found in the pursuit of all the questions. In it, Brandi discusses finding purpose in her life as a generalist for whom curiosity is always burning. We talk about aliveness as a North Star for purpose in that, according to Brandi, “whatever wakes up aliveness is your purpose.” We talk about connection - both connecting disparate ideas and also what happens when we become disconnected and it manifests as illness in our bodies, divisiveness in our culture, and breakdowns in our ecology. Brandi shares about the role of religion in her life and her exploration of the intentional split between matter and the sacred, and how she is reintegrating them in her life. We explore the idea of ‘living in the gift’ and how we can share our gifts with the world and how we can receive the gifts of others.We also talk about:The intersection of eroticism + alivenessLearning to stop cutting off pieces of yourself to belongHolding complexityFinding purpose in illnessFind BrandiInstagram: @thisplusthatpodWebsite: thisplusthat.com&nbsp;For a full list of books, essays, and other resources mentioned please see Episode WebsiteCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimer

Dr. Anthony Gustin is a man leveraging his curiosity to find opportunities in the problems of our modern age. He started as a chiropractor working with elite level athletes and saw the need for education around nutrition. That first crossover led him into founding Perfect Keto, Equip Foods, and helping put together Zero Acre Farms. He’s as much of a disruptor as he is a dreamer - and lately, he’s been getting into farming on his small farm, Joyfield Farms, outside of Austin, Texas. In this conversation, we explore modeling life after Wendell Berry and having a balance between intellectual and more physical and farm-related pursuits. We talk about the natural state of humans and whether or not we can get back to it, and if we can’t, what might come next and how in order to build it we have to start trying to solve some problems of progress. Anthony shares how to get people engaged with everything from eating real food to buying directly from farms and how some of his companies have served as stepping stones in that space. We dive into the scale of agriculture currently and what it’s going to take to get smaller farms in financial shape to begin to provide a viable alternative to the corporate organism. Anthony also shares some of his big questions about farming, as a self-professed novice, and how people have reacted to his viewpoints. This conversation asks big questions but also posits big solutions.We also talk about:Americans consumption of over 70 billion pounds of polyunsaturated fatty acids per year - can animal fats compete?Finding a spiritual practice coming from an atheist backgroundThe importance of community&amp; so much more.Find Dr. Anthony GustinTwitter: @dranthonygustin&nbsp;Instagram: @dranthonygustin&nbsp;Sign Up for His NewsletterWebsiteThe Natural State PodcastEquip FoodsZero Acre FarmsFurther Reading:Confessions of a Recovering Environmentalist by Paul KingsnorthThe More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible by Charles EisensteinThe Cross and the Machine (Essay) by Paul Kingsnorth<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Keto-Answers-Simplifying-Everything-Confusing-ebook/dp/B07WH43FLB/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=keto+answers&amp;qid=1568597584&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;psc=1&amp;spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEySzIxQVJBMklXWTlSJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjk1MjQxQUtOUEdSWURaSzNKJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAyNjI3NDAyRzdQNVE4UE9GQzJaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=perfketo-20&amp;linkId=8728936586b6799bc6def019917fe513&amp;language=en_US" rel="noopener...

This is an episode you won’t want to miss, chock full of conversations around rightness, death, farming, and preservation - not just of food - but of ways of life. Caught in the heat of August and the peak of harvest, we talk about what it means to preserve something beyond just what is going into our freezers, cans, and solar dehydrators. We talk about preserving a different way of life. In it, we unpack the ways that death invites us to experience the full range of our humanity and connectedness. Tara dives into farming in Canada and beyond and what regulations might mean for the future freedom of our food system. There is an honest and in depth conversation on marriage, the highs and the lows, and how we can show up in service to our spouse. Within that, we cover what bulls and men have in common and how thoroughly both should be celebrated. We explore service over purpose and why chasing happiness isn’t the answer. Throughout the conversation, we talk about raising animals, eating delicious food, celebration of small farms, and freedom.We also talk about:Going beyond what is comfortable and safeNutrition&amp; so much more!Find TaraInstagram: @slowdownfarmsteadSubstack: Slowdown FarmsteadRelated Ground Work Episodes:Lacey JeanShele JesseeCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comEpisode Website

Will Harris of White Oak Pastures is a 5th generation rancher in Bluffton, Georgia. Will switched from a conventional model of farming to a holistic model in the 90’s and has been building not just soil organic matter, but also community, in his small rural town - once named one of the poorest in America. Now raising 10 different species, with integrated processing facilities, and a team of over 170 people, has given Will Harris a lot of ups and downs to consider what the business and mission of resiliency is all about. We talk about his recent viral moment discussing Bill Gates becoming the largest farmland owner in the U.S. We dive deep into resiliency - not just as it applies to land, but also as it applies to communities and businesses. Our discussion around finances runs deep and Will is transparent about how money flows in and out of White Oak Pastures and why traditional financial institutions won’t touch farming - but there are other options. Will highlights how market access and getting your product to consumers is one of the biggest hurdles in the business and how ‘greenwashing’ in the market has made it harder for small businesses to bust into the space occupied by multinational corporations. At the heart of the conversation, is an idea of coming home and digging in to build up rural America, just like Will has done with BlufftonWe also talk about:The importance of slaughter and processing in the farm to table processHow fundamental cycles - water cycles, microbial cycles, nutrient cycles are to farmingCarbon tunnel vision&amp; so much moreFind Will Harris and White Oak Pastures:Instagram: @whiteoakpasturesWebsite: White Oak PasturesCenter for Agricultural ResilienceQuantis Life Cycle Analysis for White Oak PasturesWhite Oak Water Cycles YouTube VideoFurther Reading:Dirt to Soil by Gabe BrownThe Case Against Sugar by Gary Taubes&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:Replant CapitalRelated Ground Work Episodes:How to Find Ecological Literacy with Bobby Gill (for more on Savory Holistic Management)Tides of Time and Oysters with Lissa Monberg (for more on multi-generational farming)Other Podcasts featuring Will Harris:Will Harris on Herd Quitter<a...

In this episode, Irene Lyon breaks down not just the fundamentals of the nervous system but just how fundamental healing your nervous system is. It’s where we deepen our connection to ourselves and our environment. You’ll learn about how the nervous system is set in early childhood and how that forms the foundation for how we interact with the world. We dive into how we can harness neuroplasticity and the same regeneration and resiliency we see in nature to begin to shift the way our nervous system is regulated. As chronic health conditions and depression are on the rise, Irene looks at something that may be at the root of the matter - the state of our nervous systems. It may not be a quick fix, and we cover all the myths around the hacks and quick fixes that dominate the wellness sphere these days, and the truth that healing the nervous system is about building devotion to your body for the long haul. Irene shares her own story of how injuries and childhood experiences shaped her journey and how weaving together her work in the personal training and fitness world, somatic experiencing, and nervous system training with some of the world’s foremost practitioners - Peter Levine and Kathy Kain - led her to create a whole library of education and courses for healing your nervous system. We also explore how healing the nervous system isn’t just about the individual, but also about the next generation.We also talk about:Is the vagus nerve overhyped?Why meditation may not be working for youWhy a preconception nervous system reset may be in orderWhat nature teaches us about the nervous systemFind IreneInstagram: @irenelyonYouTubeWebsite21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - I loved it so much, I became an affiliate! If you use these links, I receive a commission.SmartBody SmartMind CourseFurther Reading:Scared Sick by Robin Karr-MorseWhen the Body Says No by Gabor MatéWaking the Tiger by Peter LevineAfrican Babies Don’t Cry (an essay) by Claire NialaCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: <a...

In this episode, we dive into the nervous system’s connection to chronic illness. Over 50% of Americans have at least 1 chronic illness and 46% of American children also suffer from a chronic illness. Diet, toxin exposure, circadian biology all play a role in chronic illness but what about the nervous system? In part 2 of our journey into the nervous system with Irene Lyon, we explore the nervous system’s role in chronic illness - and the research behind it might just surprise you. We talk about the ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) study and what it exposed about the nervous system’s role in chronic illness. She also explains the mechanism where fight, flight, and freeze create a situation that can cause illness. Irene also discusses finding a healthy balance with technology and the way we share our personal lives and how our relationship with our phones is changing our nervous systems. In an important note, we talk about finding safety within ourselves and not outsourcing our power of healing to gurus, doctors, or anyone else. This interview is packed full of information, but it’s also a study in becoming our own healers.We also talk about:Victim consciousnessIntergenerational TraumaFawn Response&amp; so much moreRelated Episodes:Part 1 with IreneFind IreneInstagram: @irenelyonYouTubeWebsite21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - I loved it so much, I became an affiliate! If you use these links, I receive a commission.SmartBody SmartMind CourseFurther Reading:Scared Sick by Robin Karr-MorseWhen the Body Says No by Gabor MatéWaking the Tiger by Peter LevineAfrican Babies Don’t Cry (an essay) by Claire NialaCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.com<a href="http://groundworkcollective.com/2022/08/30/episode26-irene-lyon/"...

Your mineral status is reflected in the mineral status of the soils, of your mother, and of your grandmother. Hammid Jabbar is exploring the way the mineral matrix affects our energy and the way minerals connect us back to our universal nature. In this episode, we look at the mineral depletion in soils and what that might mean about our own mineral status. Hamid first got interested in minerals through the lens of ancestral diets and then, later, plant medicines. After finding Morley Robbins’ work and the Root Cause Protocol, Hamid began to see first hand how changing his mineral status was improving his health. We first explore the role of mitochondria and how our maternal matrix informs our biology and just how much our mineral status in preconception, pregnancy, and beyond influences both our health and the health of our children. Much of this discussion looks through the lens of copper, as we get curious about her role in the regulation of iron, of our energy creation, and health. We discuss thirst as a product of mineral depletion and how mental health is also reflective of mineral status. Hamid offers a beautiful perspective on why we should do away with the idea of the mind/body connection and come home to our wholeness and how sound can heal.We also talk about:TimeIntegrating knowledge and finding a season for restHow EMFs are impacting us and how we can become less sensitiveAll about retinolFind HamidInstagram: @mineralshaman, @hamid.jabbarWebsite: hammidjabbar.com&nbsp;Hamid’s Sound Healing CoursesHamid’s Mineral Coaching&nbsp;Hamid’s Sonoran Sound Singing Bowls vol. 1Further Reading:Cure Your Fatigue by Morley RobbinsWhat Your Food Ate by David Montgomery and Anne Bikle&nbsp;Dr. Martin Pall’s work on EMFs&nbsp;Current Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.com<a...

Dr. Stephan van Vliet is at the forefront of researching what he calls the ‘dark matter’ of nutrition. Beyond the nutrition facts panel, beyond just protein, fat, and carboyhydrates and beyond the vitamins and minerals we are familiar with lies a world called metabolomics where thousands and tens of thousands of compounds and phytochemicals exist. Dr. van Vliet is looking at these compounds and in how food is grown - whether it’s conventional, regenerative (which Dr. van Vliet refers to as agroecological) and whether it’s plant-based or animal-based agriculture. In this episode, we explore the nutrient cycle from soil to plant to animal to human and back to soil in depth. We look at biodiversity from the level of metabolomics, whether it’s diverse forage for cattle to graze, or a diverse array of species to nourish the soil, or diversity in the human diet. We discuss everything from older animals, water in the West, what flavor may indicate, seasonality and how it influences the compounds in meat, and so much more.We also talk about:Are older animals more rich in phytonutrients?How seasonality influences phytonutrient contentCan humans have the innate wisdom in their food choices we see in animals?Do we have tunnel vision when it comes to greenhouse gases?Farmer Pprotests in the Netherlands (Dr. van Vliet is from the Netherlands)Find Dr. van VlietTwitter: @vanvlietphd&nbsp;Google Scholar ProfileBe a part of Dr. Vanvliet’s Research on Beef: Bionutrient Institute&nbsp;Further Reading:Nourishment by Fred ProvenzaLife in the Rocky Mountains by Warren Angus FerrisRelated Ground Work Episodes:Chewing the Fat with Brad MarshallOther Podcasts featuring Dr. van Vliet:On Fundamental HealthOn Peak HumanCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.com

Ashleigh VanHouten is at the center of exploring muscles - both building them in the gym and cooking them in the kitchen. Author of cookbooks Carnivore-ish and It Takes Guts and pioneer of women’s strength training programs her work makes cooking and exercise feel easy and accessible. During this conversation, Ashleigh and Kate explore the world of incorporating organ meats into your diet from a place of no shame - whether you’re highlighting them or hiding them, these nutrient dense superfoods deserve a place on your plate. Ashleigh talks about being a woman in male-dominated industries and how marketing has shaped the way women eat and train over the years, for better and worse. She talks about how we can celebrate the differences in women’s physiological and hormonal outlays to train better, prioritize recovery, and get the protein women need in their diets. In that same vein, Ashleigh discusses her carnivore-ish pregnancy and what it has been like to begin to introduce the next generation to nutrient dense foods like organ meats in her baby’s diet. This conversation is wide-ranging and incredibly empowering.We also talk about:Healthspan and considering muscle mass as we ageTaking a critical look at our end goals by asking “to what end?”Prioritizing feeling good and how the byproduct might be looking goodFind AshleighInstagram: @themusclemavenWebsite: ashleighvanhouten.comPodcast: Muscle Science for WomenTraining Programs:Pull-Up ProgramCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimerEpisode WebpageEpisode YouTube Page

Brandi Stanley, who is an incredible interviewer and explorer of paradox, was generous enough to share this interview of Kate from her podcast, This Plus That. In this interview, Kate explores the paradox of life and death, the desire for things to taste better and what that means ecologically. She expounds on the difference between conventional and ‘regenerative’ agriculture and the history of reciprocity between animals and plants. She also talks about how life thrives at edge zones, the place where forest meets field and stream meets field and how much richness and biodiversity we can find there. No podcast with Kate would be complete without a dive into Ancel Keys and how we replaced fat with sugar much to our detriment. Additionally, Brandi and Kate explore their shared love of complexity, nuance, and long form.If you loved Brandi, and we know you will, you can find her podcast here. You can also look forward to an interview with her on this podcast soon!Find Brandi and This Plus That:This Plus That InstagramThis Plus That WebsiteCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimerEpisode WebpageEpisode YouTube Page

Will Reusch has 16 years of experience as a high school teacher first in a public school in East LA and now in Private School - &nbsp;a teacher of history, civics, geography, government, and more - his main mission is to teach kids not what to think, but HOW to think. We explore the pitfalls of the current education system, everything from the unnatural environment of fluorescent lights to how curiosity, in the current paradigm, is viewed as disruptive and compliance is what makes a better student. Will aims to turn that on its head, exploring how we can connect kids to the material they’re learning, help them seek out the why, and develop an open and curious mind. We also dive into how to have conversations as adults in an increasingly polarized political environment, asking how we can build bridges instead of deeper divides. Will’s work on instagram has been to create a space where conversation is welcome and a diversity of ideas and viewpoints are encouraged when looking at some hard-hitting topics. We touch on the place of religion and get curious about how a declining belief system has potentially led to a sort of unmooring and seeking framework for beliefs in political structures instead. We dive into the role grief might play in culture and how our turning away from death and our “disgust” response leads us to shield ourselves. Throughout the conversation, the idea of the importance of struggle is present, and how, even if it’s manufactured, struggle is important for creating a sense of purpose.We also talk about:How just looking at things through the lens of “good” and “bad” leaves no room for nuance and complexityHow we can scale good education in a K-12 modelSeeking out disconfirmation and its importance in critical thinkingHow meat got vilified and how that conversation is goingWhere to Find Will:YoutubeInstagram&nbsp;WebsiteNotable Works:Why K-12 Need Viewpoint DiversityHow to Scale Good Education with Will Reusch and Hollis RobbinsFurther Reading:Ryan Holiday’s BookHow to Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Bhogossian and James Lindsay&nbsp;John McWhorter’s WorkResources Mentioned:Louis CK ‘Kids Asking Why’Will Reusch on Factory Farming and SlaveryCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work...

Lacey Jean is. Lacey Jean is many things, a polymath at heart, at once butcher, mobile processor, hide tanner, shearer, and shepherdess but none of the many hats she wears defines Lacey Jean. This is one of those incredibly juicy conversations where you walk away feeling more alive for it, dripping with honesty and earnestness, triumph and failure, and the meandering path we are all taking as we try to find home within ourselves. As Lacey embarks on building her own Geodome home by hand in the Pacific Northwest, she muses about what it’s taken to build a home in herself. Already, as she has started to move in, she has noticed how living in the round is changing her mindset and we explore the round robustness of cycles - from life to death and back into life again. Along the way, we talk about all the skills she has built to get here and what it means to be capable. Lacey talks about holding death as a butcher and mobile processor but also what it means to let parts of your self and your dreams go so others can take root. Lacey's story is incredibly inspiring and everyone will find wisdom in this conversation!We also talk about:Using social media as inspiration, not comparisonRaising sovereign childrenFind LaceyInstagram: @fireheart_shepherdessWebsite: fireheartshepherdess.coOnline Hide Tanning CourseFurther Reading:Radical Homemaker by Shannon HayesResources Mentioned:&nbsp;Lines written in the days of growing darkness by Mary OliverRelated Ground Work Episodes:Erin PataCurrent Discounts for GW listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV15Join the Ground Work Collective:Instagram: @groundworkcollectiveFind a Farm: nearhome.groundworkcollective.comMore: groundworkcollective.comPodcast disclaimer can be found by visiting: groundworkcollective.com/disclaimerEpisode WebpageEpisode YouTube Page

Sarah Kleiner has been on a health journey and each leap she has made has been because of her children. In this episode, we talk about finding fertility and upending the traditional paradigm of fertility treatments and preconception diet. Sarah’s journey truly begins when her daughter was diagnosed with autism 13 years ago, leading Sarah to explore the world of diets from vegetarian to carnivore. More recently, after failed attempts to conceive and hold a pregnancy, Sarah looked to circadian biology, red light therapy, and cold exposure to help her become pregnant. Sarah walks us through that journey, what she’s craving during this pregnancy, all while unlocking vital information about our exposure to the sun, how we can think about hydration, EMFs, and so much more.We also talk about:What the rise of sunscreen use and the decline in health might have in commonHow we can get healthy sun exposureParenting fearlessly&amp; so much moreFind Sarah:Instagram: @carnivore.yogiYouTube: Carnivore YogiWebsite: Courses + WebinarsFurther Reading:Red Light + Fertility Study (and further reading HERE)Dr. Masaru Emoto’s Water Crystal WorkNourishment by Fred Provenza&nbsp;Resources Mentioned:Sarah’s Interview with Corey GhazviniSarah’s Interview with Ian MitchellBJ’s Raw Pet FoodIris Blue Light Blocking Computer Software (a personal favorite)Quinton Minerals (another personal favorite)Related Ground Work...