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Jordan Raynor sits down with Jodi Benson, Disney Legend, to talk about how Jodi has responded to criticism of Disney from Christians, why Jodi thinks of ministry as less of what she does for a living and more of who she is while she’s doing what she’s doing, and how to spot where the Spirit is moving as you work.Links Mentioned:Jodi BensonJodi Benson on InstagramJodi Benson on TwitterPart of My WorldPaige O'HaraHoward Ashman“Part of Your World”Jesus Calling

Jordan Raynor sits down with Asheritah Ciuciu, Author of Unwrapping the Names of Jesus, to talk about what to do when you’re bored with the Word of God, what the various names for Jesus mean practically for your work today, and how dabbling in side projects can cultivate “creative rest” that makes you even better at your core craft.Links Mentioned:Asheritah CiuciuAsheritah Ciuciu on LinkedInAsheritah Ciuciu on TwitterAsheritah Ciuciu on InstagramUnwrapping the Names of Jesus: An Advent DevotionalMaster of One: Find and Focus on the Work You Were Created to DoSteal Like An Artist: 10 Things Nobody Told You About Being CreativeCalled to Create: A Biblical Invitation to Create, Innovate, and RiskThe Creator in YouGentle and Lowly: The Heart of Christ for Sinners and SufferersThe Art of Spiritual Writing: How to Craft Prose That Engages and Inspires Your ReadersJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Sean Kouplen, CEO of Regent Bank, to talk about the impact he’s seen from requiring all his managers to spend 30 minutes a week with each direct report with no agenda, how Sean has seen God bring 7 co-workers to faith in Christ, and the freedom that is found when you realize we’re all playing with house money.Links Mentioned:Sean Kouplen on LinkedInSean Kouplen on TwitterRegent BankLove WorksTractionThe 5 Languages of Appreciation in the WorkplaceMere Christians Podcast Episode with Joel ManbyKingdom at Work

Jordan Raynor sits down with Marcus Brotherton, Biographer, to talk about why he left pastoral ministry to become a journalist and biographer, 7 questions to ask when you’re discouraged at work, and examples from both our careers about how God has used professional trials for our sanctification.Links Mentioned:Marcus BrothertonMarcus Brotherton on LinkedInA Bright and Blinding SunGary SiniseLouie GiglioEpisode 68Blaze of LightMaster of OneUnbrokenYour God is Too SmallDon’t Give the Enemy a Seat at Your TableSeabiscuitShoe DogJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Jillian Jenkins, Lunch Lady, to talk about why she turned down a job to make more money and work from home, what God’s Word says about humble, dirty jobs, and how we can lead others away from Christ with our words and our actions at work.Links Mentioned:J.F. Jenkins on AmazonHe Saw That It Was GoodCalled to CreateRedeeming Your TimeJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Tony and Lauren Dungy, NFL Hall of Fame Coach and Author, to talk about the barber who had a profound influence on Tony growing up, the best compliment you can receive at work, and the tension between pursuing excellence at work and being called to loving sacrifice at home.Links Mentioned:Tony Dungy on TwitterTony Dungy on LinkedInTony Dungy on InstagramLauren Dungy on TwitterNFL Hall of FameNBCPittsburg SteelersUncommon Influence: Saying Yes to a Purposeful LifeMaster of One: Find and Focus on the Work You Were Created to DoThe Kingdom Agenda: Life Under GodDiscerning the Voice of God: How to Recognize When God is Speaking1 Corinthians 121 Corinthians 13Jordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Allen Arnold, Author of The Story of With, to talk about what it looks like practically to do your work with God and not just for him, the far better alternative to looking for “open and closed doors” as you make decisions, and how to be crazy busy without yourself feeling crazy.Links Mentioned:Allen ArnoldThe Story of With: A Better Way to Live, Love, & CreateWaves of Creativity: A Gathering of Ideas on Creating with GodChaos Can't: Overcome What Comes Against You in This Shaken WorldThe Space TrilogyJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Andrew Nemr, Tap Dancer, to talk about how to hear the applause for your work before you go on the metaphorical (or literal) stage of your job, how he came to realize that God doesn’t need us but wants us, and why we should view failure as a gracious gift from God. Links Mentioned:Andrew NemrAndrew Nemr on InstagramAndrew Nemr on TwitterIdentity: The Andrew Nemr StoryA Grief ObservedRenovation of the HeartJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Joshua Becker, Author of Things That Matter, to talk about why he left his 15-year career as a pastor to blog about minimalism, how our stuff distracts us from the good works God has prepared for us to do, and how to combat “the work beneath the work” that’s killing our souls.Links Mentioned:Becoming MinimalistBooks by Joshua BeckerThings That MatterThe More of LessClutter-Free with KidsThe Greatest Salesman in the WorldHow to Win Friends and Influence People

Jordan Raynor sits down with Andy Crouch, Author of Culture Making, to talk about the difference between impact and influence at work and why Jesus calls us to be the latter, the simple exercise you can do today to value those you work with beyond their productivity, and what Scripture has to say about the intrinsic value of your work.Links Mentioned:Andy CrouchAndy Crouch on TwitterPraxisChristianity TodayInterVarsityHarvard UniversityCulture MakingTech-Wise FamilyThe Life We’re Looking ForLecrae’s single Non-Fiction on Apple iTunesTimothy KellerMakoto FujimuraZoomA Long Obedience in the Same DirectionThe Patient Ferment of the Early ChurchMike Ullman on LinkedlnJordan RaynorContact Jordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Danielle Andrews, Director of Global Impact for General Mills, to talk about how God uses our work as a crucible to form us into the image of Christ, why sharing the gospel with your co-workers serves your employer, and how to preach the gospel to yourself daily and uncover respectable sins.Links Mentioned:Danielle Andrews on LinkedInGeneral MillsGeneral Mills on LinkedInRespectable SinsRedeeming Your Time Coaching CommunityThe Timothy InitiativeThe Bible AppJordan RaynorRecommend a guest for the show

Jordan Raynor sits down with Andrew Scott, CEO of Operation Mobilization USA, to talk about the startling percentage of early church growth that came through mere Christians, the practical implications of the fact that your “passions have been redeemed," and whether or not the Great Commission negates the First Commission.Links Mentioned:Andrew Scott on LinkedInAndrew Scott on InstagramScatterScatter GlobalWhat is Scatter Global all about?Scatter Foundations Video SeriesGlobal Jobs BoardDiscovery CallOperation MobilizationErik Rees on LinkedInS.H.A.P.E.The CallThe Holy BibleEvangelism in the Early ChurchThe Word Before WorkGarden CityDual TransformationJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Ron Johnson, CEO of Enjoy, to talk about how he “made love visual” through the Apple Store, his final conversation with Steve Jobs while Jobs was on his deathbed, and why he chose to “start at the bottom” of the career ladder when he had every opportunity not to.Links Mentioned:Ron Johnson on LinkedInRon Johnson on TwitterEnjoyThe Life We're Looking ForBecomenew.meDallas Willard

Jordan Raynor sits down with Joni Eareckson Tada, Author of The Awesome Super Fantastic Forever Party, to talk about the first 3 things Joni plans to do when heaven comes to earth, how everything we do in this life either increases or decreases our capacity for leadership on the New Earth, and how our work can be “ingredients in God’s happiness.”Links Mentioned:Joni Eareckson TadaJoni Eareckson Tada’s PaintingsThe Awesome Super Fantastic Forever PartyN.T. WrightJonathan EdwardsDane OrtlundGentle and LowlyThomas OwenRichard SibbesDeeper StillDoug MazzaBob BufordHalf TimeJordan RaynorContact Jordan Raynor

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Jordan Raynor sits down with Laura and Jason van Dyk, Founders of God’s fingerprints, to talk about why they felt called to grow slower than they could, the great example of how the gospel compels them to “take pains to do what is right” (see 2 Corinthians 8:21), and the problem with our limited view of what constitutes “evangelism.”Links Mentioned:School of Visual ArtsSchool of Visual Arts on LinkedInRedeeming Your Time: 7 Biblical Principles for Being Purposeful, Present, and Wildly ProductiveEvery Good Endeavor: Connecting Your Work to God's WorkThe Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: How to Stay Emotionally Healthy and Spiritually Alive in the Chaos of the Modern WorldMaster of One: Find and Focus on the Work You Were Created to DoCalled to Create: A Biblical Invitation to Create, Innovate, and RiskJason van DykJason van Dyk on LinkedInLaura van Dyk on LinkedInLaura van Dyk on PinterestGod’s fingerprintsGod’s fingerprints on InstagramGod’s fingerprints on LinkedIn

Jordan Raynor sits down with Brian Sanders, Founder of The Underground Network, to talk about his freeing approach to calling outlined in his terrific book, The 6 Seasons of Calling, thinking about eternity in three stages of rest, reward, and reign, and why it’s essential that believers not “lose the plot” of redemption and why we do what we do.Links Mentioned:Brian Sanders on LinkedInBrian Sanders on TwitterNational Christian FoundationUnderground Church NetworkUnderground Church BookTampa UndergroundMicrochurches (a smaller way)The 6 Seasons of Calling: Discovering Your Calling in Each Stage of Life

Jordan Raynor sits down with Todd Komarnicki, Screenwriter, to talk about how he was able to get a rare laugh out of Clint Eastwood when they were making Sully, why we need to question the language we use about being “hidden in Christ,” and how to get better at receiving feedback on your work.Links Mentioned:Todd Komarnicki on IMDbGuy Walks into a BarGuy Walks into a Bar on LinkedInScott Harrison (Founder of charity: water)Making A Good Script GreatStone ArabiaLetters to a Young PoetRedeeming Your TimeBible in One Year

Jordan Raynor sits down with Haejin Shim Fujimura, Attorney, to talk about the wild story of how a painting served as a wardrobe-like portal into the Kingdom, seeing Adam and Eve as lawyers before the Fall, and how she sees her work fighting human trafficking AND her work as a civil litigator as Kingdom work.Links Mentioned:Haejin Shim Fujimura on LinkedInHaejin Shim Fujimura on InstagramShim & AssociatesJordan RaynorThe Creator in YouI Am Culture CareEmbers InternationalInternational Justice MissionSurprised by HopeArt and Faith: A theology of MakingSeeking God's Face: Praying with the Bible Through the Year

Jordan Raynor sits down with Neil Ahlsten, CEO of Abide, to talk about how what you listen to before bed rewires your brain, how to identify yourself as a Christian at work, and the “20 minutes of fun” routine that Neil does with his family to cultivate rest and joy.Links Mentioned:Neil Ahlsten on LinkedInNeil Ahlsten on TwitterAbideWhat is the Hope for Humanity? A discussion of technology, politics, and theologyImagining the Future, Innovation, and God: N.T. Wright and Peter Thiel in San FranciscoGuideposts

Jordan Raynor sits down with Andrew Klavan, Crime Novelist, to talk about how to cultivate originality in your work, why the Bible is “the great code of art,” and how Andrew came to understand the gospels by reading the great poets of the 18th and 19th centuries.Links Mentioned:Andrew KlavanAndrew Klavan on FacebookAndrew Klavan on TwitterAndrew Klavan on YouTubeThe Truth and Beauty: How the Lives and Works of England's Greatest Poets Point the Way to a Deeper Understanding of the Words of JesusJordan RaynorThe Call to Master with Jordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Sean Devereaux, Executive Producer, to talk about how the Oscar process works, how he’s seen working with joy as a means to win people to Christ, and why you need to kill your backup plan today.Links Mentioned:Sean Devereaux on LinkedInSean Devereaux on TwitterSean Devereaux on InstagramSean Devereaux on IMBdJordan Raynor

Jordan Raynor sits down with Dr. Jerry T. Haag, CEO of One More Child, to talk about how “leaving loudly” and disabling email can bless your team, the difference between “valuing people” and making people “feel valued,” and my new partnership with One More Child.Links Mentioned:Dr. Jerry T. Haag on LinkedInOne More Child'Go Big and Go Home: Be A Leader In Work-Life Balance'Jordan RaynorThe Creator in YouRedeeming Your TimeThe Hole in Our GospelGood to GreatGentle and LowlyEd Kobel on LinkedInDeBartolo DevelopmentPublix

Jordan Raynor sits down with Jonathan David, Illustrator for The Creator in You, to talk about the story behind how my new children’s book was made, how our work can create “anonymous worship,” and the significance of God “pacing himself” as he worked in Genesis 1.Links Mentioned:The Creator in YouJonathan VossJonathan Voss on TwitterJonathan Voss on FacebookJonathan Voss on GoodreadsThe Wishing BalloonsJordan RaynorJordan Raynor on TwitterJordan Raynor on LinkedinJordan Raynor on InstagramDummy Book Link

Jordan Raynor sits down with Chassie Anders, Founder of Crown of Glory Beauty, to talk about why she left “full-time missions” to do the “Kingdom work” she was best equipped to do, what Revelation says about the wedding dress we sow with our good works and 5 tips for sharing the gospel in our post-Christian context.Links Mentioned:Crown Of Glory BeautyTim KellerCalled to Create: A Biblical Invitation to Create, Innovate, and RiskThe Creator in YouThe Prodigal God

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Jordan Raynor sits down with Aarti Sequeira, Food Network Host, to talk about what it means that God himself is “in the kitchen” preparing the Feast of the Lamb, what her conversations with God looked like when she lost her dream job at CNN, and what improv can teach us about “focusing out.”Links Mentioned:Aarti SequeiraAarti Sequeira on InstagramAarti Sequeira on TwitterRatioThe Jesus Storybook BibleMy Family Recipe Journal

Jordan Raynor sits down with Graham Cochrane, Author of How to Get Paid for What You Know, to talk about how Graham came to view his work as an entrepreneur as ministry even as he was planting a church on the side, 3 steps to discerning what knowledge you have that people will pay for, and our shared beginnings in musical theater via West Side Story.Links Mentioned:Graham CochraneGraham Cochrane on LinkedInGraham Cochrane on YouTubeThe Science of Online Business on YoutubeHow to Get Paid for What You Know: Turning Your Knowledge, Passion and Experience into an Online Income Stream in Your Spare TimeThe Recording RevolutionThe Four-Hour WorkweekCalled to CreateRedeeming Your TimeShoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of NikeWith: Reimagining the Way You Relate to GodThe Go-Giver

Jordan Raynor sits down with Zach Williams, Creator of The Untold, to talk about why growth and comfort cannot coexist, why Zach is grateful that the Lord has given him way more than he can handle, and how a little-known story from Chick-fil-A inspired me to be intentional about not growing my business.Links Mentioned:The UntoldThe Untold on InstagramThe Untold on TwitterThe Untold on YoutubeZero to OneCalled to CreateDelivering HappinessThe Ride of a LifetimeDisney WarRedeeming Your Time Coaching CommunityArticle: Chick-fil-A Makes More Per Restaurant Than McDonald's, Starbucks and Subway Combined... and It's Closed on SundaysUntold: Zappos Will Pay You Thousands to Quit

Jordan Raynor sits down with Rick Mountcastle, Assistant Attorney General, Virginia, to talk about how his experience with Dopesick shows that we have no idea the impact God will produce through our work, how God calls his people to do uncomfortable things to advance his Kingdom, and why the gospel should produce fearlessness in all believers.Links Mentioned:Rick Mountcastle on LinkedInDopesickSearching for Sugar ManUnbrokenRecountChristafari on Youtube

Jordan Raynor sits down with Kristin Joy Taylor, Illustrator of A Star for You, to talk about why play is so crucial to mastery and experiencing the gospel, what God’s promise to Abraham has to do with your work, and why she and her friend drove 16 hours to thank a pastor in-person for his sermon.Links Mentioned:Kristin Joy Taylor's websiteA Star for YouMakoto FujimuraGolden Sea by Makoto FujimuraIn Search of GreatnessSong TellerIsh, Dot, and Sky Color (Creatrilogy)Every Moment Holy by Douglas McKelveyPlayCalled To CreateThe Creator in YouRedeeming Your Time

Jordan Raynor sits down with Valerie Woerner, Founder of Val Marie Paper, to talk about how she uses "pre-joicing" to remember her worth in Christ regardless of the results of her work, why Christians should be creating the most original and inimitable work in the world, and what you can learn by reviewing old prayers.Links Mentioned:Valerie Woerner on LinkedInValerie Woerner on TwitterVal Marie PaperVal Marie Paper on FacebookVal Marie Paper on InstagramVal Marie Paper on PinterestThe Wedding PlannerTimehopHosanna RevivalRedeeming Your TimeA Technique for Producing IdeasMaster of OneBlue Ocean StrategyPerennial SellerDiscerning the Voice of GodPray Confidently and ConsistentlyWell-Watered WomenThe Creator in You

Jordan Raynor sits down with Carmen Enns, Technical Assistant at Intel, to talk about how travel can be a vehicle for worship, why we need Christians working in large institutions, and why silence is a crucial key to mastering your craft.Links Mentioned:Carmen Enns on LinkedInWhere in Da World websiteIntelEnneagram Personality TestGallup StrengthFinderMeasure What MattersThe Making of a ManagerThe Insanity of GodThe Juggling Act: Balancing Your Faith, Family and WorkPat Gelsinger on LinkedInVmwareRedeeming Your Time

Jordan Raynor sits down with Christeen Rico, Founder of Dream Bigger Ventures, to talk about how her faith influenced how she thought about re-opening Apple’s 400+ retail stores after the pandemic, three questions Christeen asks to find eternal purpose in her work, and daily, weekly, and annual rhythms for cultivating unhurried stillness that expands her imagination.Links Mentioned:Christeen Rico on LinkedInChristeen Rico on TwitterDream Bigger VenturesApplePwCAngela Ahrendts on LinkedInLausanne Global Workplace ForumMasterLife: The Disciple’s Cross

Jordan Raynor sits down with Chandler Bolt, CEO of Self-Publishing School, to talk about why to avoid asking “What’s New?” and “What’s Next?” in your work, and the two brilliant questions to replace those with, the difference between lightbulb and whack-a-mole approaches to management, and why every professional should consider writing a book.Links Mentioned:Chandler Bolt on LinkedInPublished: The Proven Path From Blank Page to 10,000 Copies SoldSelf-Publishing SchoolRedeeming Your Time: 7 Biblical Principles for Being Purposeful, Present, and Wildly ProductiveLeaf by NiggleThe Miracle MorningExtreme Ownership: How U.S Navy SEALS Lead and Win

Jordan Raynor sits down with Scott Harrison, Founder of charity: water, to talk about the remarkable story of how he went from being a nightclub promoter to working to end the water crisis, the simple secret to staying focused on the work you’ve been called to master, and why our work matters for eternity even when we’re not sharing the gospel.Links Mentioned:Charity: waterThirstThe Ruthless Elimination of HurrySacred FireDallas WillardScott Harrison on LinkedInScott Harrison on TwitterScott Harrison on InstagramScott Harrison on Facebook

Jordan Raynor sits down with Makoto Fujimura, Artist, to talk about what the New Jerusalem’s 5,600 miles of precious stones tell us about our work, how the ancient art of Kintsugi preaches a powerful sermon of the gospel, and what lessons we can all take from “slow art” as we master our varied vocations.Links Mentioned:Makoto FujimuraMakoto Fujimura on TwitterMakoto Fujimura on YouTubeArt and Faith: A Theology of MakingCulture Care: Reconnecting with Beauty For Our Common LifeLeaf by NiggleCulture Making: Recovering Our Creative CallingThe Freedom of Self-Forgetfulness: The Path to True Christian JoyThe Gift: Imagination and Erotic Life of PropertyFour QuartetsJordan Raynor's BookshelfThe Word Before Work on Apple PodcastsSatyan DevadossThis is Us (TV Series)

Jordan Raynor sits down with Dr. Jennifer Wiseman, Astrophysicist, to talk about the remarkable story of discovering a comet when she was a senior in college, how studying the stars can lead us to worship, and a fun conversation about whether or not we’ll be able to travel through the New Heavens from the New Earth.Links Mentioned:Jennifer Wiseman on BiologosHeaven: A Comprehensive Guide to Everything the Bible Says About Our Eternal HomeThe Language of God by Francis Collins

Jordan Raynor sits down with Mike Cosper, Host of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, to talk about what you learn by resisting shortcuts in your career, the value of living outside of the geographic center of your industry, and what Denzel Washington’s role in Training Day can teach us about how Christians can engage culture.Links Mentioned:The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill PodcastsMike Cosper on TwitterThe Artist's WayQuack This WayBorn Standing UpMary KarrLitTraining DayTed Lasso

Jordan Raynor sits down with Jeff Brown and Jesse Wisnewski, Authors of Read to Lead, to talk about how losing your job can be a blessing, how to absorb books into your bloodstream, and what my personal reading and note-taking process looks like.Links Mentioned:Read to LeadJeff Brown on LinkedInJeff Brown on TwitterRead to Lead PodcastJesse Wisnewski on LinkedInJesse Wisnewski on TwitterPhoneBurnerReadwiseScaling UpThe CallEvery Good EndeavorMultipliersImpact PlayersDie EmptySeth Godin

Jordan Raynor sits down with Carey Nieuwhof, Host of the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast, to talk about 3 questions to help avoid the comparison trap, how to know if you’re doing your work with God, and how knowing your chronotype can help you do what you’re best at when you’re at your best.Links Mentioned:Carey NieuwhofThe Carey Nieuwhof Leadership PodcastCarey Nieuwhof on TwitterAt Your Best by Carey NieuwhofConnexus ChurchRedeeming Your Time by Jordan RaynorBrad LomenickChristy WrightLeadership: In Turbulent Times by Doris Kearns GoodwinNo Rules Rules by Reed Hastings and Erin Meyer

Jordan Raynor sits down with Ryan Sweat, Student Pastor at Beach Church in Jacksonville, Florida, to talk about why Ryan is encouraging his students to scatter into the world of work, how practically Ryan’s church seeks the prosperity of their city, and not just the prosperity of their church, and the top 3 things we love to make fun of on Christian podcasts.Links Mentioned:Ryan SweatRyan Sweat on LinkedInBeach ChurchJordan Raynor’s bookshelfMaster of One by Jordan RaynorThe Word Before WorkJack AlexanderKnow What You’re FOR by Jeff HendersonJon AcuffRedeeming Your Time by Jordan RaynorGetting Things Done by David AllenThe Life You've Always Wanted by John OrtbergPrinciple of the Path by Andy StanleyAsk It by Andy Stanley

Jordan Raynor sits down with John Brandon, Journalist, to talk about how the Johari window can help us understand ourselves and our work, what our reticular activating system has to do with our addiction to social media, and A few 7-minute routines that can make you more productive towards the work God has called you to do.Links Mentioned:John Brandon on LinkedInJohn Brandon on TwitterThe 7-Minute Productivity Solution: How to Manage Your Schedule, Overcome Distraction, and Achieve the Results You WantBest BuyForbes MagazinePopular Mechanics MagazineWired MagazineLAPTOP MagazineInc. MagazineThe Misinformation Machine Is Not Helping the Gabby Petito Case...Or Is It? (Forbes article)This 7-Minute Morning Routine Will Change Your (Work) Life (Inc. Article)Redeeming Your TimeESV Scripture Journal: ActsJon AcuffSteve JobsLive No LiesMystery

Jordan Raynor sits down with Edward Grinnan, Editor-in-Chief of Guideposts Publications, to talk about how Edward went from an alcoholic living on the streets to miraculously landing a job at Guideposts, what he learned about God dangling out the window of a hotel, and how Big Hairy Audacious Goals (BHAGs) can help you think bigger and more long term.Links Mentioned:Edward Grinnan on LinkedInGuideposts MagazineThe Power of Positive Thinking by Dr. Norman PealeThe Promise of HopeThe Road Less Traveled

Jordan Raynor sits down with Victor Boutros, CEO of the Human Trafficking Institute, to talk about the “tangible hope” Victor and his team have for decimating human trafficking in this generation, why Victor has opted for a “master of one” as opposed to a “master of none” strategy for his career, and how building IKEA furniture with our kids can give us a picture of how our work partners with our Heavenly Father’s work.Links Mentioned:Victor Boutros on LinkedInVictor Boutros on TwitterHuman Trafficking InstituteThe Locust Effect: Why the End of Poverty Requires the End of ViolenceMaster of OneMere ChristianityMy Bookshelf

Jordan Raynor sits down with Dr. Michaela O’Donnell, Executive Director of the Max De Pree Center for Leadership, to talk about the helpful difference between “betting the farm” and taking the “next doable risk,” how Russian nesting dolls can help us think differently about calling, and 3 things to consider before joining the Great Resignation.Links Mentioned:Dr. Michaela O'Donnell on LinkedInMax De Pree Center for LeadershipMake Work MatterMoanaTed LassoLasso Leadership LessonsBill LawrenceDesigning Your LifeUli Chi

Jordan Raynor sits down with Cheryl Bachelder, former CEO of Popeyes, to talk about the quote that stopped her in her tracks and led her to understand her calling as “developing leaders for a living,” and how she has learned to embrace her lack of discipline and routine.Links Mentioned:Cheryl BachelderOn Moral BusinessDare to ServeFaith for ExilesRedeeming Your TimeTransfluence

Jordan Raynor sits down with songwriters, David & JJ Heller, to talk about the difference between creating art that is “about the Light” and art that is about “what you can see because of the Light,” what they learned from their shift of releasing full-length albums every year to releasing singles every month, and what Mister Rogers has taught us about how God views our work.Links Mentioned:JJ HellerJJ Heller on TwitterJJ Heller on InstagramJJ Heller on SpotifyJJ Heller on Apple MusicHand to Hold children’s book by JJ HellerInstrumental with JJ HellerMister RogersAdorning the Dark by Andrew PetersonEvery Moment HolyChoreography to JJ’s version of ‘Make You Feel My Love’Jordan RaynorJordan Raynor’s Bookshelf

Jordan Raynor sits down with Jessica Honegger, Founder of Noonday Collection, to talk about what dignified work looks like practically, what the shame Adam and Eve experienced after the Fall has to do with courage and our work, and how prayer and Sabbath can help us “relax into the goodness of God.”Links Mentioned:Noonday CollectionJessica HoneggerJessica Honegger on TwitterJessica Honegger on LinkedInJessica Honegger on InstagramImperfect CourageThe Going Scared PodcastFood for the Hungry InternationalAndy Crouch: Playing GodAndy Crouch: Strong and WeakCurt Thompson: The Soul of DesireJohn Mark Comer: Live No LiesJordan RaynorJordan Raynor’s Bookshelf

Jordan Raynor sits down with Becky Nesbitt, Editor at Penguin Random House, to talk about what happened when Becky started letting her friends curate the news for her, 3 tips for delivering great feedback, and how to view Sabbath as a feast, rather than a chore.Links Mentioned:Becky Nesbitt on LinkedInJordan RaynorJordan Raynor’s BookshelfRedeeming Your Time: 7 Biblical Principles for Being Purposeful, Present, and Wildly ProductivePerennial Seller: The Art of Making and Marketing Work that LastsMaster of One: Find and Focus on the Work You Were Created to DoOn Writing: A Memoir Of The CraftDevotions: The Selected Poems of Mary OliverThe Boy, the Mole, the Fox, and the Horse And don't forget, if you pre-order a copy of Jordan's new book, Redeeming Your Time, you can enter to win a trip for two to the Holy Land (or a cash prize of equivalent value)!Entering to win is super simple:Step 1: Pre-order Redeeming Your Time on Amazon or one of these other retailers (1 entry per copy, maximum of 3 entries)Step 2: Fill out the form at JordanRaynor.comNO PURCHASE NEC. Restrictions apply. U.S. + D.C. residents only. Visit jordanraynor.com for full rules, prize info, odds, free entry method & other details. Void where prohibited.