
MASSP Podcast
MASSP · Ryan Cayce
Show overview
MASSP Podcast has been publishing since 2015, and across the 11 years since has built a catalogue of 122 episodes. That works out to roughly 45 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a monthly cadence, with the show now in its 10th season.
Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 17 min and 28 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Education show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 2 months ago, with 4 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2022, with 27 episodes published. Published by Ryan Cayce.
From the publisher
The Michigan Association of Secondary School Principals advances learning through educational leadership. For more information, check out our website: mymassp.com and follow us on Twitter @MASSP
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S10 Ep 6MHSAA Winter/Spring '26 Update
In this episode, we welcome back MHSAA Executive Director Mark Uyl to reflect on the close of the winter sports season and the transition into spring athletics across Michigan. Mark shares highlights from the winter season, previews the debut of boys volleyball as a new MHSAA tournament sport, and provides helpful context around recent headlines—including the expansion of personal branding opportunities for high school athletes and ongoing conversations about separating public and private schools in postseason play. The conversation offers a behind-the-scenes look at how decisions are made within the MHSAA while reinforcing the importance of maintaining the focus on the "student-athlete" and the role athletics play in connecting schools and communities.

S10 Ep 5Zero Hour
In this episode, we are joined by Kim Urbanski of Godwin Heights Middle School to discuss their innovative "Zero Hour" model, a twice-monthly 70-minute enrichment block built into the school day to increase joy, relevance, and student voice. Kim shares the why behind the program, how they adjusted the master schedule, built staff buy-in through shared leadership, and evolved the model to give students more choice. They also discuss early impact on attendance, engagement, and classroom culture.

S10 Ep 4Bringing Students to the AI Table
In this episode, students take the lead in an honest conversation about how AI is actually being used in schools today—from tools like ChatGPT and Gemini to real classroom expectations that range from full bans to thoughtful integration. Students share how they use AI for everything from emails and test prep to college applications and creative projects, while also unpacking the tension between "getting work done" and truly learning. The discussion surfaces both the promise and the challenges of AI in education, ultimately offering a clear message for educators: student voice matters, guidance matters, and AI—when used intentionally—can be a powerful tool for personalization, feedback, and deeper learning rather than a shortcut to avoid it.

S10 Ep 3The Academies at Romeo
In this episode, Jennifer McFarlane shares the story behind Romeo High School's academy model and how it has evolved to create more personalized, student-centered learning experiences. She walks listeners through how the model began in 2015–16, expanded across grade levels, and now uses intentional structures like card sorts, small learning communities, and teacher teams to support students in exploring and committing to CTE pathways. The conversation highlights measurable outcomes such as improved graduation rates and reduced math failures, while also surfacing key lessons around teacher collaboration, stakeholder involvement, and the importance of a clear "North Star" when redesigning the high school experience.

S10 Ep 2MHSAA Fall/Winter '25 Update
As the fall season wraps up and winter sports begin, MHSAA Executive Director Mark Uyl joins us to share updates from across Michigan athletics. We discuss the organized chaos of overlapping seasons, what's new for winter competition, and continued efforts to improve sportsmanship for players, coaches, and fans alike. Mark also reflects on participation trends, including post-pandemic recovery and the role school leaders play in shaping a positive athletic experience for all students.

S10 Ep 1Risky Words with Portage West MS
In this episode, we sit down with Portage West Middle School Principal Jason Messenger and Assistant Principal Sidney Bailey IV to explore how their "Risky Words" initiative is reshaping school culture. What started as a response to rising reports of offensive language has grown into a proactive, schoolwide effort to teach empathy, kindness, and accountability. Hear how student voice and data guided their journey, what they've learned along the way, and how any school can take similar steps to create a more inclusive and respectful environment.

The Speed of Trust with Monte Kelly
In this episode, Monte Kelly, Principal of Fruitport Middle School, explores Covey's 4 Cores of Credibility—integrity, intent, capabilities, and results—and how they shape leadership in schools. Monte shares stories of building consistency between words and actions, aligning intent with transparency, and developing the capacity of staff to lead with confidence. He highlights the importance of results, not only as evidence of credibility but as the fuel that sustains trust with students, parents, and communities. His reflections bring Covey's framework to life, showing that credibility is the foundation for trust at every level of school leadership.

The Speed of Trust with Josh Wrinkle
In this episode, Josh Wrinkle, Principal of Rochester High School, unpacks Covey's First Wave: Self Trust and the critical role credibility plays in leadership. Drawing from his journey as a teacher, assistant principal, and now principal, Josh reflects on how integrity, consistency, and follow-through earn the trust of staff, parents, and students. He discusses the humbling process of self-assessment, the challenge of balancing personal commitments with professional demands, and how leaders can restore credibility when they misstep. Josh's perspective highlights Covey's message that self-trust is the foundation for every other level of trust—and that a leader's character and competence set the pace for an entire school community.

The Speed of Trust with Christian Manley
In this episode, Christian Manley, Principal of the Battle Creek STEM Innovation Center, helps us dive into Covey's reminder that "you can do something about this." Trust isn't out of our control—it begins with self-trust rooted in both character and competence. Christian shares her journey as a teacher and leader, offering powerful examples of stewardship, empowerment, and creating a culture where teachers feel trusted to lead learning. She reflects on how high-trust leadership reduces costs, speeds up progress, and frees principals from micromanaging while building ownership among staff. Her stories bring Covey's principle to life, showing that trust is not just a value but a skill leaders can model and grow in themselves and others.

The Speed of Trust with Dave Myron
In our kickoff episode, Dave Myron, Principal of Perry Jr/Sr High School, helps us unpack Covey's idea of trust as "the one thing that changes everything." With more than two decades in education, Dave reflects on how credibility, consistency, and follow-through shape the culture of a school and accelerate progress. He shares candid insights from leading through innovation—like piloting Khan Academy programs—and explains why trust is essential for bringing teachers, parents, and students on board. From addressing the broader "crisis of trust" in society to fostering relationships at the classroom and community level, Dave illustrates how high-trust leadership makes change possible and speeds up results.

S9 Ep 5New Computer Science Requirement
In this episode, we sit down with Larry Wyn from CS for Michigan to break down the key requirements of House Bill 5649, discuss staffing and training solutions, explore budget-friendly curriculum options, and highlight best practices. If you're an administrator looking for practical steps to ensure compliance and create meaningful computer science opportunities for students, this conversation is a must-listen!

S9 Ep 4Winter/Spring 2025 MHSAA Update
Mark Uyl, Executive Director of the Michigan High School Athletic Association, joins once again to discuss how the winter sports season has been shaping up, what's ahead for spring sports, and the process of sanctioning boys volleyball and girls field hockey as official MHSAA sports. We also talk about the growing trend of multi-sport athletes and what the future holds for high school athletics in Michigan.

S9 Ep 3Statewide AI Integration
This episode of The MASSP Podcast features a conversation with Aaron Baughman, formerly of Northville Schools and now with Michigan Virtual, on the impact of AI in education. The discussion covers Northville's success in AI integration, common challenges schools face, and standout districts leading the way. Aaron also shares key mistakes to avoid, best practices for getting started, and insights on the future of AI in Michigan schools.

S9 Ep 2Principal of the Year, Jon Wilcox
In this episode of The MASSP Podcast, 2024 Michigan Principal of the Year Jon Wilcox from Petoskey Middle School shares insights from his experience at the National NASSP Conference. He discusses connecting with other state award winners, key challenges and successes in education nationwide, and important conversations with legislative representatives.

S9 Ep 1Fall/Winter '24 MHSAA Update
In this episode, MHSAA Executive Director, Mark Uyl, returns again to discuss athletic season updates, the MHSAA 100-year celebration, participation rate increases and more.

MHSAA Spring '24 Update
In this episode, MHSAA Executive Director, Mark Uyl, joins the podcast once again to discuss the upcoming spring season. We discuss working with senior spring athletes, multi-sport athlete data, the Rep Council and their new AD Mentoring/Coaching program.

S8 Ep 8Flexible Schedules
In this episode, East Grand Rapids MS Principal & MASSP Board of Directors Member Jeff Dykehouse, joins the podcast to discuss his building's flexible schedule that they are running this school year. The schedule allows for additional time each day to focus on SEL lessons and support time that is teacher- and student-driven. Listen and learn what tools they are using and the feedback he's received from students, staff and parents.

S8 Ep 9Building Culture with Staff Spirit
In this episode, we focus on ways to build culture and rapport with staff and students. Todd Simmons, Cedar Springs HS Principal and 2023-24 MASSP President, joins us to discuss the Secret Super Staff Spirit Week and Every Student Known initiatives aimed at creating an environment of trust and relationships in his building. Listen in to learn how it's done and what it's meant for the school community.

MHSAA Winter '23 Update
MHSAA Executive Director, Mark Uyl, returns to the podcast to give a winter season update. Topics covered include a few changes to the basketball season, as well as some interesting announcements from MHSAA regarding student participation numbers, tournament attendance records, legislative bills impacting retirees and more.

Integrated Curriculum
In this episode, Traverse City Central Asst. Principal & MASSP Board of Directors Member, Ben Berger, joins the show to talk about their TIE Program which features a special class block for a large group of freshmen to receive US History, English 9 & Biology curriculum all at once with a group of teachers. Ben shares the history of the program, what's changed in Year 2, and some unexpected positive outcomes beyond just student achievement.