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<p>Former President Barack Obama recently spoke with Aarti Shahani, host of WBEZ's <i>Art of Power</i> podcast, about masculinity in the post-Donald Trump era. Obama said society has made progress in recognizing the most toxic elements of bad behavior by men. But now he wants to flip the focus. </p>
<p>“What are the positive values that we're trying to instill in our boys?” he said. “Showing compassion is not weakness. Listening is as important as talking.”</p>
<p>We're bringing you this exclusive interview with the former president as a bonus to the <i>Making Obama</i> podcast series. Hear<span style="font-family: inherit;"> the former president explain his experience balancing ambition with family obligations and how he wants to expand the definition of what it means to be a man. And if you like what you hear, <a href="https://www.wbez.org/shows/art-of-power/40990356-1a27-4cc6-a5e1-ee9d957e5e34" target="">subscribe to WBEZ's <i>Art of Power</i> podcast</a> for more conversations with people who have changed the world.</span></p>
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