List Envy

Fellow podcaster Jon Hickman joins Mark to cast aside things from our adolescence that we can get by just as well without.Jon co-hosts the hilarious and often genuinely moving – no pun intended — fitness, running and tech podcast You Don’t Look Like a Runner with Nick Moreton, and Thread with Mark.(00:00) - Introduction (04:58) - Jon's pick: Kevin Smith movies (15:36) - Mark's pick: Smash Mouth (23:28) - Jon's pick: Pop charts (28:44) - Mark's pick: Bill Hicks (37:58) - Jon's pick: Graham Linehan (42:20) - Mark's pick: American Beauty (50:42) - Jon's pick: Cheeky Nando's' (55:02) - Mark's pick: The chip on his shoulder (59:00) - Pit stop (01:01:02) - Building the final list (01:06:14) - Marker 12 You can follow Jon Hickman on Twitter, and add 101 Things Birmingham Gave the World to your Christmas wish list.

Everyone can stand to be a little bit more banana, so this week’s guest is professional clown, public speaker and banana enthusiast, Emma Stroud.Emma’s personal day of relevation – perhaps not dissimilar to Albert Hofmann’s bicycle day, as covered in our first episode — came about when Emma realised how transformative she found the act of dressing up at a grown-up function, not like a fancy duchess, but like a banana.Emma believes part of her purpose is, not only to help people laugh, but to encourage them to think more as a result. But that’s not where the healing ends: the pair uncover a way to save yourself from embarrassment at the hands of a mushy apple, and Mark asks Emma if she’s ever eaten a noni.(00:00) - Introduction (16:54) - Emma's pick: Banana (19:48) - Mark's pick: Avocado (22:40) - Emma's friend: Orange (24:54) - Mark's pick: Pear (26:44) - Emma's pick: Grape (29:46) - Mark's pick: Apple (32:24) - Emma's pick: Strawberry (35:06) - Mark's pick: Olive (37:58) - Emma's pick: Blueberry (39:32) - Mark's pick: Cherry tomato (41:26) - Juice break (43:56) - Building the final list (48:12) - Goodbyes You can follow Emma on Instagram, and on Twitter. Also check out her website.

Mark gets mathematical with bayesian mathematician Sophie Carr.Sophie describes herself as an “accidental mathematician”, getting into the subject after studying to be an engineer. She got her PhD on the job, and transitioned from fluid mechanics to Bayesian statistics.Here’s the piping speech from Patriot Mark mentioned.(00:00) - Introduction (08:58) - Sophie's pick: Turbo codes (11:34) - Mark's pick: LZ 77 compression (14:04) - Sophie's pick: UUIDs (18:16) - Mark's pick: RSA (22:26) - Sophie's pick: PageRank (25:04) - Mark's pick: Proof of work (27:32) - Sophie's pick: Proportional integral derivative control (29:52) - Mark's pick: Reinforcement learning (31:40) - Mark's pick: Dynamic range compression (35:00) - Interlude (39:58) - Building the final list (41:50) - Baystastic Sophie runs Bays Consulting, who you can follow on Twitter along with Sophie herself.

Mark and his guest Jamie Garner have snuck out of bed, crept downstairs and turned on the telly for a channel-hop through ‘90s nostalgia.Both Mark and Jamie grew up with Saturday morning programming from the BBC, including /Going Live!/, /Live & Kicking/ and What’s Up Doc?, which showed cartoons and showcased some of the UK’s newest pop acts.Mark does not pass up the opportunity to discuss the kids’ presenter Andy Crane, and the fact that he narrated one of his favourite children’s books. Incidentally, you can hear more about that book and MArk’s thoughts on it — and Andy Crane — on a recent episode of Your Own Words.(00:00) - Introduction (04:42) - Jamie's pick: Dungeons & Dragons (07:24) - Mark's pick: Danger Mouse (09:42) - Jamie's pick: ThunderCats (16:06) - Mark's pick: Animaniacs (21:52) - Jamie's pick: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends (26:32) - Mark's pick: Ox Tales (30:24) - Jamie's pick: X-Men (35:22) - Mark's pick: Count Duckula (38:14) - Jamie's pick: Batman: The Animated Series (45:44) - Commercial break (48:36) - Building the final list (53:52) - Honourable mentions (57:50) - Goodbyes Follow Jamie on Twitter, and maybe one day he’ll release a podcast again.

The show gets #spoopy as the Thrilling Adventure Hour’s Ben Blacker joins Mark to count down his top five silver-screen terrors.Ben co-created the Thrilling Adventure Hour with his writing partner Ben Acker as a live theatre show in the style of an old-timey evening of radio entertainment. There’s over a decade’s worth of Thrilling to enjoy, so subscribe to the free newsletter to get some hand-picked favourites you can see and hear via YouTube.Ben’s picksIn order of discussionXenomorphKnown more commonly as “the alien from Alien(s)”, the Xenomorph or internecivus raptus is Ben’s top pick because at its heart, Ridley Scott’s 1979 Alien is a horror film, and this monster ticks all the boxes.The Creature from the Black LagoonWhether in its original 1954 form or its most recent, romantic incarnation, the Creature makes Ben’s list for its exceptional design, its pathos, and because childhood memories. If you’d like to know more, you can read Ben’s friend Mallory’s book, The Lady from the Black Lagoon, about the Creature’s designer, an overlooked name in Hollywood’s history.GremlinsThe original Gremlins is fun for most, if not all the family, as it so well intersects comedy and horror. Ben appreciates how the rules are set out, but that as an audience we don’t yet know what the consequences are for breaking them. Ben is not a fan of the sequel, as it skews too much towards the funny.The ThingThe titular Thing from The Thing is terrifying in its amorphousness. It can take the shape of anything it touches, and although it involves some body horror — of which Ben isn’t a big fan — it comfortably makes Ben’s list as a full-on monster, albeit a somewhat formless one.GraboidBen’s final pick is the worm things from Tremors, one of his favourite movies (and a firm favourite of Mark’s). Ben appreciates the cool, gross and classic monsteriness of these underground creatures, but is not on board with the name “graboid”, and he wishes to make this position absolutely clear.Mark’s pickIn order of discussionZombieFor Mark, a proper zombie film ends with courage in the face of utter hopelessness. They’re one of the few fictional entities that still scare Mark. Although he originally lauded 28 Days Later as a great modern take on the zombie, he’s not so sure it holds up.Audrey IIAlthough Ben doesn’t consider this Little Shop of Horrors baddy scary, Mark thinks potentially being grabbed by the balls and eaten by a giant blood-sucking plant with the voice of a Motown legend to be a little intimidating.Hannibal LecterHannibal the cannibal, in all his incarnations, makes Mark’s list as an almost supernaturally naughty man, but can Ben reconcile this against his criteria, or does this constitute a slippery slope?PennywiseMark put Pennywise the dancing clown on his list for similar reasons to Ben’s selection of the Thing. (And yes, Mark understands that Pennywise is just one form of It, but it’s the version we see most in the films.) Mark finds the films not only funny, but really scary (especially the first).More of Ben BlackerFollow Ben on Twitter, order your copy of Hex Wives and read his Writers Panel blog.Photo credit for Ben’s headshot: Roman Cho

Technology writer and drone expert Adam Juniper joins Mark to discuss machines that go bleep.Adam spent many years editing and publishing books on photography, which over the years has become more about technology than chemicals.He and Mark discuss the fun and frustration that can be had when delving into the world of smart home tech, and you can read more of Adam’s thoughts on this — and other desirable tech — on his Tech Yearning blog.Like Mark, Adam had a Game Gear, which you can hear discussed in episode 2 of this very podcast.The pair also discuss the “Privacy: It’s a Crime” campaign.As a listening note: the pair do talk about the Amazon Echo devices and the lady that lives inside them, but rest assured, thanks to the ingenious editing technique of cutting out a bit of the word Alea*, your costly egg timer won’t be set off.(00:00) - Introduction (12:00) - Adam's pick: Apple iPhone (18:50) - Mark's pick: Apple iPad (25:56) - Adam's pick: USB flash drive (28:16) - Mark's pick: Flip Video (32:20) - Adam's pick: Parrot AR Drone (36:22) - Mark's pick: Nintendo Switch (42:12) - Adam's pick: Electric car (46:12) - Mark's pick: Apple AirPods (50:28) - Adam's pick: Smart speaker (56:18) - Building the final list (01:00:38) - Honourable mentions (01:09:42) - Goodbyes As well as Adam’s blog, you can also buy his books on Amazon, follow him on Instagram and on Twitter, listen to the Photographer Podcast and That Option No Longer Exists, and ask him about publishing.

Mark speaks down-the-line with product designer, Simon Heap, as the two share their top five world-changing products, and gently collide over what can be construed a “product”.Simon has dedicated his life to making, as he calls it, “a better mouse trap”, and now specialises in designing products for sport. You might know Simon’s work from Dragons’ Den, or perhaps you’ve bought his potato masher?Simon once designed a CD player and argued for a sense of jeopardy within the mechanism (in the same way that there is a way to put a record on wrong), and Mark finds another member to join the ranks of those who mourn the passing of the MiniDisc. He also discovers that the Japanese may have the word he’s long searched for, to describe that wonderful sense of joy and satisfaction you get from a mechanical interaction: a good button, a sturdy spring or a crunchy click.(00:00) - Introduction (09:26) - Simon's pick: the wheel (11:40) - Mark's pick: wireless radio (15:04) - Simon's pick: the match (17:58) - Mark's pick: commercial aviation (24:02) - Simon's pick: penicillin (26:50) - Mark's pick: Nokia 8110 (32:16) - Simon's pick: World Wide Web (36:20) - Mark's pick: Apple Macintosh (41:52) - Simon's pick: marine chronometer (44:12) - Mark's pick: audio cassette (50:38) - Building the final list (55:52) - Goodbyes Follow Simon on Twitter and LinkedIn, check out his latest business, Rugged Interactive, and his consultancy, Design for Sport.

Mark takes flight with speaker, author and “the entrepreneur’s godmother” Alison Edgar, to build a list of the best places it takes too long to fly to.Alison flies a lot, and finds pinning her destinations on a map lends itself to a sense of perspective. Mark responds by finding another way to tie this into his favourite sci-fi series, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.Alison, like Mark, enjoys — or enjoyed - a Bloody Mary, which has — for reasons best known to others — become de rigueur for those who enjoy boozing above the clouds.Public service announcement: if you have Netflix and are on a long-haul flight, do remember to download a season of something to watch before you fly. No-one wants to be caught short if the in-flight media selection is sub-par.Born in Glasgow and a self-styled extravert, Alison is not content with spending all day every day on the beach or in the local British theme pub, watching endless Only Fools repeats. She wants to mix it up with the people that make up the places she visits.As well as a couple of good cocktail recommendations, this episode also includes a game you can play at the airport.(00:00) - Introduction (09:40) - Alison's pick: Cape Town (12:46) - Mark's pick: Sydney (14:54) - Alison's pick: California (16:36) - Mark's pick: New York City (19:42) - Alison's pick: Shanghai (24:18) - Mark's pick: Egypt (30:10) - Alison's pick: Dubai (34:26) - Mark's pick: Jamaica (37:54) - Building the final list (40:42) - Goodbyds Alison is the Managing Director of Sales Coaching Solutions, author of Secrets of Successful Sales, and business speaker. You can find her on Twitter, Instagram, and on LinkedIn.

Prepare to have your face melted clean off as you enter a whole new world of mouth noise, with guest Tani Levitt. And remember, if you’re sitting in the plash zone, you will get spittle all over you.Tani presents SpeshFX, a narrative podcast that dives deep into the fascinating world of competitive beatboxing. If you’re familiar with the rap battle scene, it’s like that but nicer, and where people make their O face when being hit by several megatons of sick beats (just helping ease you in with the lingo).Tani got into the scene via his brother, and started charting not only the beatbox battle scene, but also his own education, through SpeshFX. If you want a primer, start with his Beatboxing Basics YouTube playlist.(00:00) - Introduction (12:14) - Tani's pick: Alem (15:28) - Mark's pick: NaPoM (17:24) - Tani's pick: Alexinho (19:20) - Mark's pick: Codfish (22:04) - Tani's pick: Hiss (23:38) - Mark's' pick: D-Low (27:36) - What do beatbox champs win? (30:16) - Tani's pick: Gene Shinozaki (32:02) - Mark's pick: MB14 (34:26) - Honourable mentions (40:32) - Finalising the list (44:42) - More honourable mentions (49:32) - How to follow the competetive beatbox scene (53:36) - Goodbyes If this has got you ready for more, you can follow the scene on YouTube via SwissBeatbox, the host of the Grand Beatbox Battle, or Beatbox Battle who host the World Championships every two years, and on Instagram via Alem, Hiss, and Madox for the shoutouts, or Swish Beatbox for the goofs.You should subscribe to SpeshFX (via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts), to learn infinitely more about the beatbox scene than you will here.

This week, Mark embarks on a journey of musical discovery, with Oliver Wang, co-host of the Heat Rocks podcast. If you’re not familiar with latin boogaloo, it’s time to get acquainted.Oliver loves this fusion of more traditional latin melodies — with complex chords and meandering melodies — and the growing soul music movement, prevalent in 1960s New York, not just because of its inherently physical nature — this stuff just makes you wanna move — but because of what it teaches us about the culture at the time.Just as a previous generation of immigrants embarked on a cultural exchange with the US and established themselves as the kings and queens of mambo and cha-cha-cha, so a new wave of second-generation American-raised Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Dominicans (to name a few) brought their musical heritage and mashed it up with the popular doo-wop and early R&B styles of the day.Latin boogaloo wasn’t a lauded genre by purists, who saw it as a bit of a debasement of the complex and intricate style they were used to. It’s a story as old as time.(00:00) - Introduction (06:10) - Bubble-gum boogaloo (15:20) - Heat Rocks (19:14) - Oliver's pick: Gypsy Woman, by Joe Bataan (23:00) - Mark's pick: Ali Baba, by Louie Ramirez (26:34) - Oliver's pick: I Like it Like That, by Pete Rodríguez (27:20) - Oliver's pick: Wanted Dead or Alive, by the Joe Cuba Sextette (29:40) - Mark's pick: Watermelon Man!, by Mongo Santamaria (33:08) - Oliver's pick: Acid, by Ray Barretto (37:18) - Mark's pick: Laberinto de Pasiones, by La Lupe (40:50) - Oliver's pick: My Latin Soul, by Bobby Matos and the Combo Conquistadores (43:22) - Mark's pick: At the Party, by Hector Rivera (45:16) - Honourable mentions (47:34) - Building the final list (49:32) - More honourable mentions (52:20) - Goodbyes To follow our Spotify playlist, full of all the songs we mention, sign up to Extra Envy, our free newsletter. It’s the perfect antidote to the encroaching autumn (the playlist, not the newsletter).As we recorded, Heat Rocks, the podcast he hosts with music supervisor Morgan Rhodes, was celebrating their 100th episode. You can, and absolutely should, check it out. You can follow Oliver on Twitter and on Instagram, and read his long-running music blog. All of his links can also be found on his website.

Musician, writer and improv comedian Tom Clabon joins Mark to fight about which of Birmingham’s bands are best, and possibly what the word “definitive” means.And by Birmingham, we mean Birmingham. The proper one, in the UK.Tom has performed in bands (like Bussy), and like Mark knows the pain of publishing music to Bandcamp to little fanfare. But they’re both absolutely not bitter about it. Tom also presented Indie Mixtape on local station Brum Radio.The pair share gig-playing memories, the venues they’ve nearly been thrown out of (Mark), and the ones they’ve scammed their way into (Tom’s dad).If you’ve heard of the majority of Tom’s picks, then you already know more about Birmingham’s music scene in 2019 than Mark does. If you’ve heard of the majority of Mark’s picks, then you’re a granddad and death will claim you soon.Also, Mark tries to coin a phrase for the pro-life movement, but doesn’t do a good job, and Tom threatens to give Mark a weird handshake.(00:00) - Introduction (12:13) - Honourable mentions (22:52) - Tom's pick: Johnny Foreigner (27:10) - Mark's pick: Electric Light Orchestra (31:14) - Tom's pick: Mutes (35:36) - Mark's pick: Misty's Big Adventure (39:53) - Tom's pick: Hoopla Blue (43:29) - Mark doesn't pick Pram (45:40) - Mark's pick: The Moody Blues (48:47) - More of Tom's honourable mentions (49:34) - Tom's pick: The Cosmics (52:53) - Building the final list (57:05) - Final honourable mentions (01:00:08) - Wrapping up To follow our Spotify playlist, full of all the bands we mention — even the ones Mark doesn’t like – sign up to Extra Envy, our free newsletter.Check out Cat’s Cabinet of Curiosities, the podcast Tom co-hosts, and OK Stop, the improv troupe he and Mark can be found performing in, every month.

Musician and podcaster Brendan Hutchins joins Mark to discuss guitar music from the early 21st century.Brendan loves pop punk for its energy and reasons of nostalgia, and has lots of names to bring to the table. He also helps Mark define what isn’t pop punk.Mark based his list on bands who had seminal or otherwise important albums during the early 2000s, and while Brendan’s picks are perhaps from slightly younger bands, none of them formed post-2005.Mark shares stories about plectra, music he discovered through Kerrang! Radio, and stuff he used to play on his old radio show (like this from Of Kings and Captains).Brendan also sings the praises of Bowling for Soup’s guitarist, who performs tricks with his pick!Hear Brendan and his Nobody Asked for This co-host Arron Wong discuss the first part of this episode, director’s commentary style.(00:00) - Introduction (08:12) - Honourable mentions (18:59) - Mark's pick: Sum 41 (20:49) - Brendan's pick: Goldfinger (23:18) - Mark's pick: Green Day (26:35) - Brendan's pick: Blink 182 (27:57) - Mark's pick: Bowling for Soup (30:30) - Brendan's pick: Good Charlotte (31:58) - Mark's pick: All-American Rejects (32:47) - Brendan's pick: New Found Glory (35:55) - Mark's pick: Fountains of Wayne (37:29) - Brendan's pick: Sugarcult (38:53) - Brendan makes another case for Goldfinger (40:04) - Ordering the final list (49:09) - More honourable mentions (53:24) - Bonus pick: Of Kings and Captains (55:01) - Drummers and plectrums and goodbyes You can follow Brendan on Twitter, check out the Podcast Advocate Network and check out his new single, Fall Fast.

Writer and Internet raconteur Jon Bounds joins Mark to build a list close to his heart.Jon grew up on 70s sitcoms and wants nothing more than to share his love. If you’re in the UK, these might be shows you can check out on Yesterday or in film-form via Talking Pictures.Jon is a student of erstwhile TV, a fact clearly demonstrated by his massive affection for the 80s tele-phenomenon than is Boon.Mark and Jon’s differences in comedy tastes are perhaps best illustrated by the fact that Jon quite likes Not Going Out, and Josh, which Mark really doesn’t.(00:00) - Introduction (08:50) - Honourable mentions (20:22) - Jon's pick: Porridge (26:52) - Mark's pick: Open All Hours (29:33) - Jon's pick: Fawlty Towers (36:02) - Mark's pick: Man About the House (39:05) - Jon's pick: Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? (41:22) - Mark's pick: Some Mothers do 'Ave 'Em (44:28) - Jon's pick: Citizen Smith (47:21) - Mark's pick: The Good Life (50:04) - Final honourable mentions (53:02) - Building the final list (01:02:52) - Wrapping up You can listen to Jon’s new podcast, That Option No Longer Exists, read his writings on Paradise Circus, and follow him on Twitter.

Mark talks to podcaster and “unapologetic Anglophile” Jen Tierney about the foods eaten and loved by “a nation of shopkeepers”.As a young girl, Jen was persuaded to watch a BBC adaptation of Pride and Prejudice, and has since made it her mission to consume all things Brit. As well as eating, Jen likes to cook, learning from /The Great British Bake Off/ and demonstrating more knowledge of British baked goods than the host of this podcast. Case in point: the popover.(00:00) - Introduction (07:44) - Jen's pick: Afternoon tea (12:48) - Mark's pick: Fish and chips (15:46) - Jen's pick: Cornish pasty (22:02) - Mark's pick: Sunday roast (26:22) - Jen's pick: Full English breakfast (30:46) - Mark's pick: Balti (33:44) - Honourable mentions (37:04) - Finalising the list (43:34) - Jen's favourite British foods to cook (45:08) - Our Parents Did What? (49:04) - Goodbyes Mark was a guest on Jen’s erstwhile podcast back in March 2018, talking about some songs he’d made, but Jen has a new podcast all about parenting, called Our Parents Did What?, which, if you enjoy Sawbones or This Podcast Will Kill You, you’ll be sure to love (you’ll quickly become acquainted with how charming Jen is, as you listen to this episode).

This week, Mark is joined by podcaster, improv comedian and Harry Potter superfan Cat Turner, to collaborate on a list of the best five characters in JK Rowling’s Hogwarts universe.If spoilers are a thing you want to avoid, maybe skip this one until you’re all caught up. Like Mark maybe should’ve.Cat grew up listening to Stephen Fry read the Harry Potter books, and wants to sort her soon-to-arrive hamster into the appropriate Hogwarts house, but she insists she isn’t a nerd about it.Mark’s seen some of the Harry Potter films and listened, a little distractedly, to the first four Potter audiobooks.As well as knowing everything there is to know about Harry Potter, Cat is also a maths genius, which is something she credits partially with her own Professor McGonagall. Cat also presents Cat’s Cabinet of Curiosities, a podcast uncovering the weird things people believe, like that the Titanic was switched at the last minute, or that Beyoncé faked her pregnancy.(00:00) - Introduction (06:00) - Mr Nibbles’ sorting ceremony (11:56) - We have bones to pick with JK Rowling (18:49) - Honourable mentions (20:34) - Cat’s pick: Rubeus Hagrid (23:09) - Mark’s pick: Professor Snape (25:02) - Cat’s pick: Regulus Black (28:38) - Mark’s pick: Professor Dumbledore (31:06) - Cat’s pick: Lavender Brown (32:51) - Mark’s pick: Neville Longbottom (36:25) - Cat’s pick: Professor McGonagall (40:20) - Mark's pick: R̶o̶n̶ ̶W̶e̶a̶s̶l̶e̶y̶ Hermione Granger (42:27) - Cat's pick: the house elf (43:49) - Finalising the list (46:45) - Is there someone missing? (49:04) - Goodbyes You can, and should, find Cat’s Cabinet of Curiosities wherever you find fine podcasts, and follow her and the show on Twitter.

Improv comedian and self-styled “failed jogger” Lucy Day joins Mark to relive their childhoods and complain about the toys they never had.Both Mark and Lucy wanted a Mr Frosty but were denied one, and were both fans of the wonderful book and TV series The Animals of Farthing Wood. Mark nearly tells a story about showing a family member his organ (it’s fine), and Lucy reveals the toys that made her anxious as a child, namely Crocodile Dentist and Etch-a-Sketch.Trigger warning: if you ever put on a show for your parents and they told you they were watching, they weren’t. Sorry. Also, it turns out that growing up isn’t about not being able to do anything you want, but about being able to do anything you want, but having to face the consequences.The pair also compare the dogs they had. You can be the decider as to which one is best.(00:00) - Introduction (03:06) - Meeting Lucy (05:37) - The toys we didn't have (12:36) - Lucy's pick: Dressing-up box (15:04) - Mark's pick: Karaoke machine and portable tape player (18:17) - Lucy's pick: Sega MegaDrive (19:56) - Mark's pick: Sega Game Gear (22:14) - Lucy's pick: Lego (24:12) - Mark's pick: Teddy bear (27:29) - Lucy's pick: Sindy (30:52) - Mark's pick: Magna Doodle (34:23) - Lucy's pick: Spirograph (36:33) - Mark's pick: Train set (39:46) - Honourable mentions (46:33) - Finalising the list

In this first episode, Mark speaks with sleep and respiratory scientist Max Thomas, all about science! Specifically, the unexpected or otherwise fascinating discoveries that have brought us incredible advancement. There’s also stuff about bums and willies, too, and more than one object being inserted into more than one dog.Max makes a living out of making people breathless, which is a cool way of saying he studies how people breathe, and often has to make them not breathe very well so he can find out why they’re not breathing very well… you’re smart, you get it.This episode was recorded on Black Wednesday, which, it has been posited, might not be the day you want to find yourself in hospital, as it’s the day when trainee doctors start their residencies. But we’re pretty sure it’s fine now.(00:00) - Introduction (02:38) - Meeting Max (06:13) - Max's pick: Carbon dating (11:35) - Mark's pick: the X-Ray (14:25) - Max's pick: Sildenafil (19:51) - Max's pick: LSD (27:02) - Mark's pick: Penicillin (29:06) - Max's pick: self-experimentation (36:49) - Mark's pick: Insulin (39:14) - Max's pick: Stomach ulsers (44:42) - Mark's pick: Laminated glass (46:24) - Mark's pick: Pacemaker (48:44) - Mark's pick: Microwaves (52:20) - Building the final list (55:23) - A late pick fro mMark: Quinine (01:01:00) - Honourable mentions (01:04:01) - Finishing up Max is part of Birmingham-based improv comedy troupe OK Stop!, who you can see perform at 1000 Trades in the Jewellery Quarter on the last Wednesday of every month. You can also follow Max on Twitter @maximum_science.

What are your top 5 sandwiches? What’s the best way to rank Bond films? Which are your favourite misheard lyrics? Making lists is good, but it’s better with friends.This is List Envy, a podcast where Mark Steadman collaborate with actors, writers, musicians, comedians, scientists and podcasters to build a definitive top 5 list on a topic of the guest’s choosing.Clips in this trailer include * Cat Turner from Cat’s Cabinet of Curiosities, talking about Harry Potter characters * Writer Jon Bounds on 70s British sitcoms * Musician Brendan Hutchins on pop punk banks of the 2000s * Comedian Lucy Day on the toys we had as kidsList Envy launches on August 13th with 2 episodes, and new episodes come out every Tuesday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you’re reading this now. Search for the podcast by name, or visit the website.