Law and Chaos

Liz and Andrew interview law professor Steven Vladek about The Shadow Docket, what makes the Supreme Court legitimate, and how to think and talk about it in order to reform the Court for the future. Links: The Shadow Docket https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Docket-Supreme-Undermine-Republic/dp/B0BJ15Q9VZ/ Lisa Needham on Public Notice, "The Dangerously Illiberal Judges" https://www.publicnotice.co/p/columbia-protests-law-clerk-trump-judges-boycott Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz and Andrew break Justice Merchan's contempt ruling that paves the way for Trump to spend time in lockup, then discuss the witnesses and how they did, or did not, help the prosecution build its case. Plus, Tennessee banned contrails and maybe … spray bottles? Links: Second Contempt Order https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/DOcontempt_5-6-24FINAL.pdf Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2022 https://www.congress.gov/117/plaws/publ103/PLAW-117publ103.pdf 2023 OSTP Geoengineering Report https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Congressionally-Mandated-Report-on-Solar-Radiation-Modification.pdf Tennessee HB 2063 https://legiscan.com/TN/text/HB2063/id/2983097 Florida SB 1084 https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/1084 DeSantis Statement re SB 1084 https://www.flgov.com/2024/05/01/governor-desantis-signs-legislation-to-keep-lab-grown-meat-out-of-florida/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz and Andrew Torrez catch up with Trump's election lawyers. Where are they now, and why isn't it the hoosegow? Then a deep dive into the Biden administration's plan to reschedule marijuana. But first, Donald Trump has nothing but contempt for this court! Links: Trump Contempt Order https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/D.O.motion4contempt-FINAL.pdf Eastman Disciplinary Order https://discipline.calbar.ca.gov/portal/DocumentViewer/Index/UTKQ_Y63MDG4l4uhXSVCPqiU-at38jxNGUYub4sJpbGYEMPf_DmMRzCZgpvdUiQob9K9TKikC0XkAwVvafs3DPj9GHLcAlR9sE7K6hP1jE41?caseNum=SBC-23-O-30029&docType=Order%20/%20Ruling&docName=Ruling%20on%20Motion%20-%20Denied&docTypeId=13&isVersionId=False&p=0 Michigan appellate order on sanctions https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca6.142572/gov.uscourts.ca6.142572.43.2.pdf "Off the charts low" polling https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna148170 Fair Labor Standards Act https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/chapter-8 DOL Final Rule, 29 CFR Part 541 https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/flsa/ot-541-final-rule.pdf FTC Act of 1914 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-2/subchapter-I FTC Final Rule, 16 CFR Part 910 https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/noncompete-rule.pdf Jimmy Johns noncompete https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jimmy-johns-non-compete_n_5978180 Amazon noncompete https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3543196/AmazonContract.0.pdf 21 U.S.C. 812 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/812 Congressional Review Act https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-I/chapter-8 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz sits down with Arizona trial lawyer Tom Ryan to discuss last week's indictment of fake electors by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes. It's indictment-thirty for Boris Epshteyn and Christina Bobb! Links: Gag Order https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/JustSecurityNY2016ElectionInterferenceCaseClearinghouse%E2%80%94Order-granting-State-of-New-York-motion-to-restrict-Trump-extrajudicial-statements-March-26-2024.pdf Indictment https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment%20Redacted.pdf DM Cantor on Class 2 felonies in AZ https://dmcantor.com/class-2-felony-in-arizona# AZ Central story https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/24/arizona-fake-electors-indictments/73184206007/ A.R.S. 13-2310 https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/02310.htm DM Cantor on Fraudulent Schemes https://dmcantor.com/blog/what-are-fraudulent-schemes-in-arizona Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to podcaster Andrew Torrez about Trump's Manhattan prosecution and the debacle at the Supreme Court Thursday when Trump made his magical, perpetual, presidential immunity argument. Links: Arizona v. Ward — Indictment https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment.pdf People v. Trump — Transcripts https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/ People v. Trump — Evidence https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/Evidence/ Trump v. US — SCOTUS Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-939.html SCOTUS oral argument https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/23-939 Trump DC MTD Presidential immunity https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.74.0_3.pdf SCOTUS docket in US v. Trump (DC) https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/trump-v-united-states-3/ DC Circuit Opinion https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/1AC5A0E7090A350785258ABB0052D942/$file/23-3228-2039001.pdf Trump SCOTUS Brief https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/303418/20240319150454815_23-939%20-%20Brief%20for%20Petitioner.pdf US SCOTUS Opposition https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/306999/20240408191803801_United%20States%20v.%20Trump%20final%20for%20filing.pdf Trump Reply Brief https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/307578/20240415133854183_USSC%2023-939%20-%20Reply%20Brief%20of%20Petitioner.pdf Constitutional Scholars Amicus https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/306994/20240408102651774_Trump%20v.%20US%20CAC%20Scholars%20Brief%2023-929.pdf Marbury v. Madison https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/5/137/#tab-opinion-1958607 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Trump's first criminal trial gets underway in Manhattan, even as he fights to get the court to accept his hinky bond in the civil fraud case. Links: NYAG Opposition to Trump/Knight Surety Bond https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=E/oR7WnxPeT2tSnZpOGlBA== Trump Civil Trial NY, Selected Docs at Just Security https://www.justsecurity.org/89120/clearinghouse-new-york-attorney-general-corporate-fraud-case/ Trump False Business Records Case, Selected Docs at Just Security https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, it's Liz Dye, and we've got some big, exciting changes coming your way next week. It's all still in process, but I can tell you now that we'll be shifting our podcast drops from Monday/Friday to Tuesday/Friday and ramping up the written content, as well. So, heads up, the next show will be in your feed Tuesday, not Monday. But today, I'm so excited to talk to a personal hero of mine, Marcy Wheeler. This woman is relentless! If you want to understand what's going on with the Biden prosecution, you have got to read her site emptywheel.net. But before we get into the show I think we need to spend a bit of time discussing the cast of characters and timeline here, because if you're not up to your eyeballs in it all the time, the details can get a little fuzzy. And I'm going to put the text of this intro in the show notes with a million links, for you to follow along if you like. So, here goes. President Biden's son Hunter has battled addiction for much of his adult life. He's also done some questionable things to earn money to support his family. Those things generally fall under the category of distasteful but legal, not to say quotidian. It's a dirty, little NOT AT ALL secret that DC runs on access, and family members routinely market themselves as conduits to their powerful relatives. E.g., Ginni Thomas, who is nutty as a fruitcake, and collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from people with a stake in shaping the Supreme Court. In 2019, as Biden was emerging as a candidate to take on Trump, the Republican smear machine was looking for dirt. And so they turned to the same dirt merchants that managed to muddy up Hillary Clinton. Clinton was dogged for years with allegations that she'd "sold America's uranium stockpiles to Russia" to benefit a donor to the Clinton Global Initiative. That story was ridiculous — she was Secretary of State at a time when the State Dept was one of eight agencies that had to approve the sale of a mining company called Uranium One to a Russian conglomerate. And the supposed CGI donor who would have benefited, had sold his shares before the deal was approved. But that didn't matter to Peter Schweizer, a Breitbart editor and Steve Bannon ally who wrote a book called "Clinton Cash" and laundered this nonsense into the collective consciousness. And in 2018, he did the same thing with Joe Biden. As VP, Biden had made a speech in 2015 pressing the Ukrainian government to fire a corrupt prosecutor named Viktor Shokin. It was the consensus of the entire US government, as well as the entire international establishment, that Shokin had to go if Ukraine was ever going to get its house in order. Nevertheless, Schweizer wrote a book called "Secret Empires" in which he alleged that Biden was unilaterally forcing out this prosecutor to protect a Ukrainian oil company called Burisma which employed his son as a board member. I wrote about it at the time as Ukranium One. And if you hear me shittalking NYT reporter Ken Vogel, that's why. Because when Rudy Giuliani started flogging this nonsense about Burisma, Vogel treated it as if it might be true. And it was very clearly NEVER true. It was Uranium One all over again, and it's been the same shit for five years now. And when Trump pressured Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to "do us a favor though," this is what he wanted. He wanted the Ukrainian government to say it was investigating this bullshit as if it were real. So in 2019 Rudy Giuliani waddled off to Ukraine in search of proof of this concocted story, where he got fed Russian propaganda by a Russian spy named Andrey Derkach, who was later sanctioned by Trump's own Treasury Department for using that Russian propaganda to influence the 2020 election. But Trump didn't give a shit about that, and neither did Bill Barr, they set up Scott Brady, the US Attorney in Pittsburgh, as Rudy's personal disinformation concierge to go chasing down his lies about Joe and Hunter Biden. Remember, Rudy was alleging that Joe and Hunter Biden had smuggled literally hundreds of millions of dollars out of the country. It was just utter nonsense. This investigation was tainted from the jump. Brady was the one who kicked up Alexander Smirnov, the FBI informant who suddenly remembered in 2020 that Burisma executives had bragged to him in 2017 about bribing Joe and Hunter Biden. This was an obvious lie, for a whole bunch of reasons, but in 2023, Republicans in Congress get wind of it, and they decide that they've finally found the one true witness who will make all of Rudy's lies about Joe Biden true. Instead Smirnov was indicted earlier this year for lying to the FBI. Barr also tapped a second US Attorney, David Weiss, in Delaware, to investigate Hunter Biden with the unstated goal of trying to dirty up Joe Biden. Weiss was largely focused on Biden's failure to pay taxes in 2018 and 2019 when he was in the throes of addiction. He also investigated Biden for having lied on a gun application where

On the eve of Trump's first criminal trial, Liz sits down with Forbes reporter Zach Everson for a trip down memory lane, recounting the breathtaking corruption of Trump's first term. Plus, Texas AG Ken Paxton loses a round in DC against Media Matters. Links: Zach Everson's Substack on the Trump Hotel https://www.1100pennsylvania.com/ How a Nigerian Presidential Candidate Hired a Trump Lobbyist and Ended Up in Trump's Lobby https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/trumpinc/episodes/trump-inc-nigerian-presidential-candidate-hired-trump-lobbyist-trumps-lobby Previously Obscure Attorney Lands Big Payday Representing Trump In High-Profile Lawsuits https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2024/03/24/previously-obscure-attorney-lands-big-payday-representing-trump-in-high-profile-lawsuits/?sh=289be08523dd MMFA v. Paxton [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68166936/media-matters-for-america-v-paxton/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to journalist Chris Geidner about the lawless Fifth Circuit, which is now snatching cases back from other Circuits — and even from their own District Courts — in a mad rush to stop the Biden administration from protecting workers and consumers. Links: https://www.lawdork.com/ The Fifth Circuit's lawlessness is now spreading from California to D.C. https://www.lawdork.com/p/fifth-circuit-venue-nlrb-spacex-cfpb-chamber Chamber of Commerce v. CFPB (Fifth Circuit Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68371345/chamber-of-commerce-v-cfpb/ Chamber of Commerce v. CFPB (Trial Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68319595/chamber-of-commerce-of-the-united-states-of-america-v-consumer-financial/ In re: Space Exploration Technologies (Fifth Circuit Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68274955/in-re-space-exploration-technologies/ Space Exploration Technologies Corp. v. NLRB (Trial Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68136196/space-exploration-technologies-corp-v-national-labor-relations-board/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This weekend Donald Trump compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Liz talks with Lawfare's Anna Bower, who lives out of a suitcase covering the Trump trials beat, to see if she agrees. Plus, WTF is going on with Trump's bond in the New York civil fraud trial? Links: Trump's Lawyers Told the Court That No One Would Give Him a Bond. Then He Got a Lifeline, but They Didn't Tell the Judges. https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-bond-disclosure-appeals-court-hankey Businessman behind Trump's NY bond says he charged him a 'low fee' https://www.reuters.com/legal/businessman-behind-trumps-ny-bond-says-he-charged-him-low-fee-2024-04-05/ US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ People of NY v. Trump [Court docs via Just Security] https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/ State of GA v. Trump [Court docs via Just Security] https://www.justsecurity.org/89123/clearinghouse-georgia-election-interference-case/ Special Counsel Threatens To Go To 11th Circuit, Reminds Judge Cannon What Happened The Last Time She Tried This Shit https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/special-counsel-threatens-to-go-to-11th-circuit-reminds-judge-cannon-what-happened-the-last-time-she-tried-this-shit/ Trump NY Bond Just As Kosher As His Financial Statements https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/trump-ny-bond-just-as-kosher-as-his-financial-statements/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to veteran legal journalist Mike Sacks about the Supreme Court and the decades-old plan to enshrine minority rule into law. How did the Chief Justice wind up frantically tapping the brakes as his own conservative colleagues are going pedal to the metal? And WTF is going on with Judge Cannon in the Trump docs case? Links: US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ Special Counsel Threatens To Go To 11th Circuit, Reminds Judge Cannon What Happened The Last Time She Tried This Shit https://abovethelaw.com/2024/04/special-counsel-threatens-to-go-to-11th-circuit-reminds-judge-cannon-what-happened-the-last-time-she-tried-this-shit/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Have anti-choice astroturf groups gone too far? Will SCOTUS save medication abortion from the loons at the Fifth Circuit? Liz discusses the arguments in FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine with reproductive rights reporter Susan Rinkunas. Links: FDA v. Alliance Hippocratic Medicine, Transcript and Audio of Oral Arguments https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/23-235 The 'WTF Is Happening' Guide to the Supreme Court Abortion Pill Case, by Susan Rinkunas https://www.jezebel.com/the-wtf-is-happening-guide-to-the-supreme-court-abortion-pill-case How Hobby Lobby Could Be Trump's Reproductive Rights Wrecking Ball, by Susan Rinkunas https://newrepublic.com/article/179622/hobby-lobby-comstock-alito-contraception Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v. FDA [District Court Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65768749/alliance-for-hippocratic-medicine-v-us-food-and-drug-administration/ Alliance Hippocratic Medicine v. FDA [5th Circuit Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67164167/alliance-hippocratic-medicine-v-fda/ Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v. FDA [SCOTUS Docket] https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-235.html Comstock Act, 18 USC § 461 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1461?quicksearch=18&quicksearch=461 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

States are banning it, employers are blocking it, and now the US government is trying to steal it. What's with all the noise around TikTok? TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold explains why politicians need to take several giant steps back and stop trying to tell kids how to do the internet. Links: A Breakdown of the Bizarre Factions Fighting Over the TikTok Ban Bill, by Corbin Barthold https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/tiktok-ban-bizarre-factions-strange-bedfellows H.R.7521 - Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521 TikTok v. Knudson [Trial Docket, MT ban case] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67413418/tiktok-inc-v-knudsen/ MT SB419 https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billhtml/SB0419.htm Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz discusses all the Trump civil and criminal trials with New York litigator Mitchell Epner. Will Trump be able to pay that $454 million bond with the proceeds from taking Truth Social public? We'll break it down. Links: Carroll v. Trump (I) [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18418220/carroll-v-trump/ Carroll v. Trump (I) — Denial of Rule 59 Motion https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0_1.pdf US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18418220/carroll-v-trump/ SDFL — Order re Jury Instructions https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.407.0.pdf Trump v. ABC [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68351681/trump-v-american-broadcasting-companies-inc/ Trump SPAC Disclosure to SEC https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1849635/000119312524036093/d408563ds4a.htm Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Recent revelations have shone a spotlight on the Supreme Court's broken ethics rules, and boy are the justices mad about it. We talk to Gabe Roth, executive director of Fix the Court about the problem and what to do about it. But first, a breakdown of Trump's appeal of Judge McAfee's denial of the motion to disqualify DA Fani Willis in Georgia. Links: Fix the Court https://fixthecourt.com/ O.C.G.A. § 5-6-34 https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-5/chapter-6/article-2/section-5-6-34/ Motion for Certificate of Immediate Review https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24485326/trump_motioncertificateimmediatereview.pdf Certificate of Immediate Review https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24489448/mcafee_certificateimmediatereview.pdf Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to voting rights expert Jamie Lynn Crofts about the court order which forced Republicans in Wisconsin to surrender their stranglehold gerrymander. How will fair maps affect the Badger State? And what lessons can we learn for the country as a whole? Links: All Voting Is Local https://allvotingislocal.org/ Clarke v. Wisconsin Election Commission, OPINION https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=745249 US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/ State of Georgia v. Trump [Court Docs via Just Security] https://www.justsecurity.org/89123/clearinghouse-georgia-election-interference-case/ State of New York v. Trump [Court Docs via Just Security] https://www.justsecurity.org/89089/clearinghouse-2016-election-interference-case-manhattan-district-attorney/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to Diana Florence, a litigator in New York who spent 24 years in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. They break down the upcoming Trump trial for creating false business records as part of the scheme to disguise the Stormy Daniels hush money payment as legal fees. What should you expect in the first Trump criminal trial? Tune in for a former NY prosecutor's take! Links: Trump Notice Regarding Advice of Counsel Defense https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Just-Security-NY-2016-Election-Interference-Trump-Clearinghouse-%E2%80%94-Trump-notice-concerning-his-intent-to-rely-on-an-advice-of-counsel-defense-March-11-2024.pdf Trump Motion to Exclude Evidence and Adjourn Case Based on Presidential Immunity https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Just-Security-NY-2016-Election-Interference-Trump-Clearinghouse-%E2%80%94Trump-motions-to-exclude-evidence-and-for-an-adjournment-based-on-Presidential-Immunity-March-11-2024.pdf People's Notice Regarding the Production of Records from the US Attorney's Office and Consent to Adjournment https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24481447/20240314-peoples-notice.pdf Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to Arizona litigator Tom Ryan about how his state's GOP learned to stop worrying and love the loon. We'll cover all Kari Lake's litigation — she's having no luck as a plaintiff, and even less as a defendant. And we'll talk about what's next for Democrats and Republicans in the Grand Canyon State. Links: Richer v. Lake Complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23858088-richer-v-lake Petersen v. Fontes Case Docs (via Democracy Docket) https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/arizona-2023-election-procedures-manual-challenge/ US v. Trump (SDFL Docket via Court Listener) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ GOVERNMENT'S OPPOSITION TO DONALD J. TRUMP'S MOTION TO DISMISS COUNTS 1-32 BASED ON PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.376.0_1.pdf Jonathan Nez for Congress https://www.jonathannezforaz.com/ Kirsten Engel for Arizona https://www.engelforarizona.com/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On the eve of Ken Paxton's trial for securities fraud — a mere nine years after he got indicted — Liz talks to Texas Monthly reporter Dan Solomon about the state's embattled Attorney General. How much worse has he gotten since surviving impeachment? Will he play a role in a future Trump administration? And is this literally hell we are living in now? Links: Carroll Bond Ruling https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790/gov.uscourts.nysd.543790.315.0.pdf Ken Paxton Argues That Ken Paxton Has Violated Ken Paxton's Right to a Speedy Trial, by Dan Solomon https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/ken-paxton-securities-fraud-trial-delays/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Should the government be able to order social media platforms to host political speech? Does the First Amendment even exist any more? And do we really have to side with Justice Kavanaugh on this one? Liz talks to TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold about the Netchoice cases. Links: Tech Policy Podcast ​​https://podcast.techfreedom.org/ Moody v. Netchoice (Texas Docket) https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22-555.html Moody v. Netchoice (Florida Docket) https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22-277.html TechFreedom's Amicus Brief in Netchoice https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-555/292534/20231207074245073_TechFreedom%20VIDED%20amicus%20brief%2022-277%2022-555.pdf Oral Argument Moody v. Netchoice (Florida case) https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/22-277 Oral Argument Moody v. Netchoice (Texas case) https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/22-555 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to national security law expert Kel McClanahan about the Trump documents case in Florida and how he could use classified materials to derail the trial until after the election. Links: SCOTUS Order Granting Cert on Trump Immunity Claim https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022824zr3_febh.pdf US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/ Classified Information Procedures Act https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/title18a/node16&edition=prelim Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to repro law expert Ellen Trachman, host of the podcast "I Want to Put a Baby in You" about the recent Alabama decision which functionally outlaws in vitro fertilization. Is this the beginning of a trend, or will Republicans course correct out of fear of the wrath of women voters? Links: Ellen Trachman at Above the Law https://abovethelaw.com/author/ellentrachman/ The "I Want to Put a Baby In You" Podcast https://iwanttoputababyinyou.com/ Alabama IVF ruling https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343d203a-b13d-463a-8176-c46e3ae4f695/docketentrydocuments/e3d95592-3cbe-4384-afa6-063d4595aa1d Ala. Code § 26-23H-3 https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-alabama/title-26-infants-and-incompetents/chapter-23h-the-alabama-human-life-protection-act/section-26-23h-3-definitions Resolve Advocacy Day May 14 for the National Infertility Association https://resolve.org/events/advocacy-day/ Trump Civil Fraud Judgment https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=nXeA3RG/pYddgehBHovUPw== Carroll v. Trump, Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18418220/carroll-v-trump/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to reporter Brandi Buchman about the prosecutions of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy and how those prosecutions paved the way for Trump's election interference case. Links: In Re: Lindell Management LLC Litigation [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67410449/in-re-lindell-management-llc-litigation/ Brandi Buchman at Law and Crime https://lawandcrime.com/author/brandi-buchman/ US v. Trump [District DC Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67891889/united-states-v-donald-trump/ US v. Trump [SDFL Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump/ Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Liz talks to Daily Beast reporter Jose Pagliery about the $355 million verdict that's really a $450 million verdict in Trump's civil fraud trial. Plus the Carroll defamation suits, and the upcoming criminal trial in March for falsifying records to cover up the Stormy Daniels payoff. And … the state of American democracy! Justice Engoron Holding https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf Justice Merchan Holding https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf Trump's Bank Fraud Trial Ends With $364 Million Gut Punch, by Jose Pagliery at The Daily Beast https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-bank-fraud-trial-ends-with-dollar372-million-gut-punch?ref=author Judge Rules Full Speed Ahead on Trump's Manhattan Criminal Trial, by Jose Pagliery at The Daily Beast https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-rules-full-speed-ahead-on-trumps-manhattan-criminal-trial?ref=author?ref=author Carroll v. Trump I [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [Circuit Court Docket via Court Listener] Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

With Trump's ballot disqualification on the docket, all eyes were on SCOTUS last week. Liz talks about the argument at the Supreme Court with guest Eric Segall, and lays out the various off-ramps the justices might take to keep a criminal insurrectionist on the ballot this November. "Originalism as Faith" by Eric Segall https://www.amazon.com/Originalism-as-Faith-Eric-Segall/dp/1316640469 "Supreme Myths: Why the Supreme Court Is Not a Court and Its Justices Are Not Judges" by Eric Segall https://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Myths-Court-Justices-Judges-ebook/dp/B0C775Z6CP?ref_=ast_author_mpb Trump v. Anderson, SCOTUS Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-719.html Trump v. Anderson, Argument Audio and Transcript https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/23-719 Foley/Ginsberg/Hasen Amicus Brief https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-719/297014/20240118112848137_23-719.Amicus.Foley.Ginsberg.Hasen.pdf "Fake GOP Electors Meet To Cast Fake Votes For President Real Loser" at Wonkette https://www.wonkette.com/p/fake-gop-electors-meet-to-cast-fake-votes-for-president-real-loser Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

After allegations that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is romantically involved with the special prosecutor hired by her office, the sharks are circling both legally and politically. Is this case totally boned? Liz asks Georgia defense attorney Andrew Fleischman what's next in this crucial election interference case. Show Links: Fulton County Docket: State of Georgia v. Donald J. Trump https://www.fultonclerk.org/DocumentCenter/Index/142 What Fani Willis Got Wrong in Her Trump Indictment, by Andrew Fleischman https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/opinion/fani-willis-trump-indictment-georgia.html Sessions & Fleischman https://www.thesessionslawfirm.com/attorneys/andrew-fleischman/ Pressure on Fulton DA grows as critics seize on allegations of impropriety https://www.ajc.com/politics/pressure-on-willis-grows-as-critics-seize-on-allegations-of-impropriety/NC7XFRX2K5AIZL73GYPY2JPM2Y/ Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Description: Liz hosts former federal prosecutor Mitchell Epner to discuss last week's massive $83 million damage award in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case. What happens when he appeals? Was it smart for Trump to testify? And WTF is up with his lawyers? Show links: Carroll v. Trump I [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [District Court Docket via Court Listener] Carroll v. Trump II [Circuit Court Docket via Court Listener] Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That's true for a traffic stop, and it's true if you want to participate in whatever's left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it's that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye breaks down the week's most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.