Inside the Hive

As the Succession finale nears, host Brian Stelter catches up withVanity Fair executive editor Claire Howorth about the stunning plot twists in the fictional drama—and within the real-life media dynasty. And when it comes to politics, do powerful TV networks or the president—whether Jeryd Mencken or Donald Trump—really run the show? Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode, host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair staff writer Caleb Ecarma and Bulwark political columnist Amanda Carpenter about the expanding right-wing media ecosystem, from Newsmax to The Daily Wire, “The War Room” to “InfoWars.” (Not to mention Tucker Carlson taking his talents to Twitter.) Can Fox News stave off the insurgents and keep its audience glued to the channel? Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this episode, host Brian Stelter checks in with Vanity Fair senior media correspondent Joe Pompeo and Washington Post national enterprise reporter Sarah Ellison about Tucker Carlson’s Twitter gamble before diving into Donald Trump and Fox News’s dysfunctional relationship, and whether the Murdochs’ network will be in his corner in 2024. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode, host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair’s Charlotte Klein and New York Times Magazine contributor Jason Zengerle, who is writing a book about Tucker Carlson, about the latest revelations surrounding the now-former Fox News star, and whether a newly surfaced text is really a smoking gun. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode, host Brian Stelter talks to Gabriel Sherman and Bess Levin about the bombshell Fox dropped before the Dominion dust had even settled: the ouster of prime-time star Tucker Carlson. The Vanity Fair writers discuss what it means for the company, the viewers, and the host who seemed to have no boundaries. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Dominion won an eye-popping $787.5 million settlement this week, but Fox also notched a major victory in keeping the Murdochs, its top executives, and stars like Tucker Carlson off the witness stand. On the latest episode of Inside the Hive, host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair special correspondent Molly Jong-Fast and Hive editor Michael Calderone about the fallout from the payout, the future of the network, and how the public is losing out in the trial's abrupt end. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Will the 92-year-old media mogul be able to steer his empire through an incoming legal maelstrom? On the latest episode of Inside the Hive, Brian Stelter and Gabriel Sherman, who have been following Murdochland for decades, spill the tea on what Monday’s trial could mean for the dynasty—and democracy at large. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

New York may have seemed sedate during his arraignment, but elsewhere in Trump’s America, the MAGA faithful are as committed as ever. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

As the creator economy reaches a saturation point—even Barbie’s an influencer now!—growing concerns about children’s rights and parasocial celebrity relationships paint an increasingly grim picture. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this, the last episode of Inside the Hive featuring cohosts Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan, the Vanity FairCorrespondents reflect on 3 years of covering and discussing Trump and ask whether indictments will finally chasten Trump—and whether the media will remain hopelessly addicted to his noise. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Nick Bilton talks to author Zach Carter about SVB, Credit Suisse, and whether or not a total meltdown is on the horizon Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Maxwell Frost represents a generational shift in the Democratic Party—one where activism is at the fore. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, Inside the Hive cohost Joe Hagan talks to Lis Smith, Democratic campaign veteran and author of the new memoir Any Given Tuesday: A Political Love Story, which details her journey, the public one and the private one, through Democratic campaigns over the past 17 years, for candidates as varied as Jon Corzine, Barack Obama, Pete Buttigieg, and, most infamously, former governor Andrew Cuomo, whose lurid political demise she details down to the last moments of his time in office. A savvy political operator, Smith trains her sights on stubborn problems like Florida governor Ron DeSantis, and what to do about President Joe Biden, who, despite his abysmal poll numbers, she says is preparing to come out swinging in advance of the midterms. “If the [midterms] are a referendum on Democrats, we will be screwed in November,” says Smith, but if Biden and his surrogates can effectively target Trump-tainted election deniers and antiabortion Republicans, “that’s a terrain we can win on. And that’s a switch that we need to flip—we need to flip that switch pretty soon. And we have the opportunity to now.” Smith, who helped take Buttigieg’s star to the national level, is now working with Michigan state senator Mallory McMorrow, who went viral with a searing counterattack on anti-LGBTQ+ Republicans. Smith puts McMorrow on a short list of candidates, along with Kansas City mayor Quinton Lucas, to form the future of the party. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

From Trump’s “Tiny D” moniker to Tucker Carlson’s ball-tanning, Republicans can’t seem to stop talking about that body part. Is somebody feeling insecure? Hive politics correspondent Bess Levin and senior Vanities editor Maggie Coughlan take a look at the uniquely toxic world of Republican men and their obsession. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, dietician Kim Shapira joins Emily Jane Fox to talk about the new weight loss drug taking Hollywood and TikTok by storm—how it works, why everyone seems to be talking about it, and what kind of message the “quick-fix” trend is sending. Plus: Fox and Joe Hagan break down Michael Avenatti’s sentence and what it could mean for other wayward political figures. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Natalie Jarvey and Joe Pompeo explain the course correction in Hollywood, as the sun begins to set on streaming’s golden age and TV writers gird for a possible strike. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Poser fascists? Dilettante preppers? The new elite? James Pogue and Jeff Sharlet join Joe Hagan to discuss and debate the specific contours of America's rising fringe Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, Emily Jane Fox sits down with the First Son to talk about his addiction, his dad, what makes a Biden love story, and why he thinks the GOP, and Don Jr. in particular, are obsessed with him. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Molly Jong-Fast and Chris Murphy break down the conservative outrage machine, and the right's obsession with using national events like the Super Bowl and the Oscars to push their agenda. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, “New York Times” reporters James Stewart and Rachel Abrams join “Inside the Hive” cohost Joe Hagan to discuss their explosive new book, “Unscripted: The Epic Battle for a Media Empire and the Redstone Family Legacy,” which details the unseemly power struggles around the late Sumner Redstone, who controlled Viacom and CBS, and the downfall of CBS chief Les Moonves, whose attempts to cover up years of alleged sexual misconduct exploded at the height of the #MeToo movement. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Joe Pompeo and Maggie Coughlan jump down the rabbit hole of some of the all-time greatest grifter sagas, tracing our obsession back to the 19th century and bringing it forward to Anna Delvey and George Santos. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Our team of Hive all-stars came together post State of the Union Address to break down how President Biden commanded the room, owned the Republicans, and what this could reveal about what a Biden-Trump head-to-head could look like in 2024. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Hive minds Bess Levin and Abigail Tracy analyze the GOP’s House afire with chaos and investigations, and why a DeSantis presidency is not necessarily better than a Trump one. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Bestselling author and White House insider Chris Whipple talks Biden 2024, party divisions, the GOP’s “hair on fire” chaos, and what Jill Biden could be thinking. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week's episode of Inside the Hive, Molly Jong-Fast dishes on George Santos's most egregious lies, what they reveal about the Republican thirst for power above all else, and how Democrats could leverage the shenanigans to their advantage. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

After weeks of torrential rain storms that have flooded communities, toppled trees and brought on huge economic devastations, Yana Garcia joins Inside the Hive to share how environmental justice will play a role in recovery.For weeks, a battery of atmospheric rains has bombarded California, destroying roads, triggering mudslides, and flooding homes and farms — all that following months of drought, and before that, wildfires. This week, Inside the Hive is joined by Yana Garcia, California’s Secretary of Environmental Protection, who describes the damages wrought by these extreme storms, and explains what California is doing about it — including facing off with oil companies over the fossil fuel emissions the state argues have intensified weather events in California and beyond. Garcia was an environmental justice lawyer before becoming head of the state’s environmental protection agency, and a native Californian, describes the weather changes she’s observed first hand growing up in Oakland, and the way forward in the fight to correct the climatological balance (plus, she tells us what her mysterious tattoos mean). Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, co-hosts Joe Hagan and Emily Jane Fox are joined by their Hive colleague and Capitol Hill all-star Abigail Tracy, who was in the halls of Congress last week as the House speaker debacle played out in real time. She gives a window into the chaos—and the consequences for both parties—as well as what it could mean for the 2024 races. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Joe Hagan and Molly Jong-Fast analyze the war inside the Republican Party as California congressman Kevin McCarthy is thrice denied his bid for Speaker of the House. In disarray and denial, the GOP appears intent on kicking off the New Year with the same old extremist politics that have depressed its fortunes through the past three election cycles. Then, Jong-Fast discusses her exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris, who has the Sisyphean task of tackling immigration—an issue the GOP will surely exploit between now and 2024. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Author James Pogue talks to cohosts Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan about the so-called New Right, the intellectual movement congealing around tech billionaire and MAGA mega-donor Peter Thiel and the Trumpist GOP, which he wrote about for this month’s Vanity Fair. After embedding himself with the vanguard of intellectuals whose reactionary politics, antagonism for democracy and visions of retro-patriarchy inform the agendas of people like Tucker Carlson and JD Vance, Pogue demystifies fringe ideas like the “black pill,” “trad wives,” and “ball tanning." Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan discuss the implications of the January 6 committee’s criminal referrals to the Department of Justice over Donald Trump’s alleged crimes. Jack Smith, the special prosecutor appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland, faces a complex calculus: Will prosecuting the former narcissist in chief bring long-awaited justice, or only help reanimate Trump’s political fortunes for 2024? Plus: some of the best in this year’s culture. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside The Hive, author Kate Anderson Brower joins Emily Jane Fox to discuss her new authorized biography, Elizabeth Taylor: The Grit and Glamour of an Icon [https://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-Taylor-Grit-Glamour-Icon-ebook/dp/B09V2ZZ7KK]. Andersen Brower takes us inside the lesser known sides of one of the most famous women of all time. Brower, who interviewed 250 people for the book and combed through thousands of never-before-seen personal effects, paints a vivid portrait of Taylor as a mother, humanitarian [https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/11/elizabeth-taylor-aids-book], and friend—and the toll that fame exacts on even those who are destined for it. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, dietician Kim Shapira joins Emily Jane Fox to talk about the new weight loss drug taking Hollywood and TikTok by storm—how it works, why everyone seems to be talking about it, and what kind of message the “quick-fix” trend is sending. Plus: Fox and Joe Hagan break down Michael Avenatti’s sentence and what it could mean for other wayward political figures. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, Vanity Fair contributing editor May Jeong joins Inside the Hive to examine the popular uprising against the Xi Jinping regime over its repressive COVID policies, which have held China’s 1.4 billion citizens in virtual captivity. Jeong, who visited China in 2019 to investigate what happened to the country’s biggest movie star, Fan Bingbing, sees parallels to recent uprisings in Iran—specifically, women on the front lines. “The intersectional ways in which our struggles are linked is interesting,” she says, “and something that Americans can draw from as well.”Plus, Joe Hagan talks to Emily Jane Fox about her latest feature: a look inside the gilded post–White House life of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who want to live a normal, everyday billionaire’s existence in Miami—and have no desire to return to DC should Donald Trump win in 2024. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

In the short but long weeks since Elon Musk took over Twitter, it seems like the platform, along with the social media class, has been put through the spin cycle. Between debates over who could be verified and how much that might cost, employee layoffs, and, of course, the lingering question of whether and when Donald Trump might be replatformed, there have been many questions about the fate of Twitter. Vanity Fair’s Nick Bilton, who literally wrote the book on Twitter, joins this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, taking listeners inside his notebook to lay out the problems that Twitter faces as both a company and a barometer of the mindset of the country. “Jack Dorsey and all the folks at Twitter used to say that Twitter is a reflection of society,” Bilton tells ITH listeners. “I think that it is a reflection of the extremes in society, and it brings out the best and, a lot more times, the worst in people because of the way it is designed.” What will happen to the platform given the political atmosphere, and can it help propel someone into the White House—or keep them out? Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Gabe Sherman, fresh off his Ron DeSantis feature, and Molly Jong-Fast, the Hive’s newest contributor, join Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan for a Wednesday-morning revel in what the midterms portend for the future of the country—not to mention for pollsters and the pundit class—and how the Democrats can contend with the GOP’s “extreme gerrymandering” in battles ahead. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

With less than a week to go until the midterms determine our country’s future, Joe Hagan and Emily Jane Fox sit down with The Hive’s newest star, special correspondent Molly Jong-Fast, and VF national political reporter Abby Tracy to break down the final stages of races across the country, including how abortion is playing as an issue. Plus, CNBC’s Julia Boorstin stops by for a timely discussion about women in power as her new book, When Women Lead, hits shelves. In conversation with Fox, who recently profiled The Wing cofounder Audrey Gelman, Boorstin runs through some of the common traits she sees in women leaders, such as Lena Waithe, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, who are among the interviews in the book. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

The former BuzzFeed editor and New York Times media columnist offers pushback on critiques of his new media offering. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

With J.D. Vance, Kari Lake and other Big Lie Republican candidates, America is going to go down a “rabbit hole” of chaos, according to the hosts of The Circus. Plus, Anand Giridharadas toughens up progressive messaging Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, Joe Hagan talks to James Carville, veteran Democratic strategist and cable news stalwart, about the lead-up to the midterms. On the table: abortion rights, how Ron DeSantis handled Hurricane Ian (“Do you know what Florida needs more than anything else in the world right now? I do. Immigrants," says Carville), Herschel Walker (“You cannot tell me that anybody 60 years old would trade brains with Herschel Walker, cuz you wouldn’t”), and who won the debate between Trump-approved candidate JD Vance and opponent Tim Ryan in Ohio (“That was a T.K.O.”).Given the political environment, he says, Democrats wouldn’t ordinarily stand a chance in 2022. “You have an election with 'wrong track' for the country at 65%, presidential approval at 41%—all that is a guaranteed landslide [for Republicans],” he says. "Why has this electorate been resisting this and resisting it hard? That's the question that we should be asking ourselves."Also this episode: Hagan talks to Narges Bajoghli, a professor of Middle East Studies at John Hopkins, about her recent story on the women leading uprising in Iran, and the implications for gender equality around the world. Hive senior editor Tara Golshan joins a conversation that asks: Where does the revolution go from here? Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

The co-directors of “The Lincoln Project,” a new five-part docuseries about the eponymous anti-Trump operation, talk to Emily Jane Fox about what it was like to embed at the peak of the 2020 election cycle, as the Lincoln Project’s star rose, then combusted amid scandal. Plus, Joe Hagan and Nick Bilton go deep on Elon Musk's latest Twitter twist. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

As the Florida governor shows his bully stripes, Inside the Hive asks what his 2024 chances could be. Plus, ‘Creem’ rides again Inside the Ron DeSantis Plan to Overthrow Trump and TrumpismThis week Vanity Fair published Gabe Sherman’s profile of Florida Governor and would-be Trump slayer Ron DeSantis [https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/ron-desantis-the-making-and-remaking-of-a-maga-heir]. On Inside the Hive, Joe Hagan and Emily Jane Fox discuss whether DeSantis’s aggressive push for national prominence—coming as Trump's legal peril mounts and a slew of new Trump books hits stores this fall—signal the last throes of the Ex-POTUS’ political potency. The answer, if DeSantis has anything to do with it, is clearly yes. But as DeSantis' polling takes a hit following his controversial immigration stunt, the next question becomes: Can a charmless bully survive the spotlight? Plus: A conversation with J.J. Kramer, who has revived his father’s storied rock magazine Creem decades after it stopped publishing. The irreverent 1970s magazine still bills itself as “America’s Only Rock ’n Roll Magazine,” but does rock and roll still matter? And what does it mean in 2022? Kramer, who inherited the magazine when he was four years old, has an idea—and big dreams. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

In this special episode of Inside the Hive, three guests—Vanity Fair editor in chief Radhika Jones, writer and podcaster Molly Jong-Fast, and standup comic Patton Oswalt—discuss the cultural and political legacy of Generation X. Asks Hive cohost Joe Hagan: How has the slacker generation, once known for irony and ambivalence, weathered the 21st Century? The promise of ironic detachment may not have lasted, but Gen X-ers have become the last skeptics of the digital age. The generations that followed "introduced this 24/7 grind mentality,” says Oswalt, "where the people that wanted to live like little lives on the fringe, doing creative stuff, and making enough money to survive—those people are being pushed out…It's like if you're not grinding all the time, you should be wiped off the map. And that, to me, is really, really scary.”“We are skeptical of effort for effort's sake,” observes Jones. "So there's a way in which we're motivated by substance, and we're skeptical of anything that is not substantive.” Thirty years ago, Generation X celebrated what’s now being called “quiet quitting," but as some recent polling has shown, a large chunk of Americans born between 1965 and 1980 also leaned toward Donald Trump in recent elections—a perplexing data point. “We had this sort of belief that we were entitled to certain things,” surmises Jong-Fast. "And if you feel entitled to something, and mad and convinced that someone else has it, that can lead to Trumpism.”If nothing else, Gen X have always been superb at spitballing from the sidelines: “We are good critics,” says Jones. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Never has there been a time in U.S. history when lawyers were as in the foreground as they have been during the era of Donald Trump. Many of them have ended up under the bus, from Michael Cohen to Paul Manafort to Rudy Giuliani. But the many twists and investigatory turns over the last half decade also made household names of a number of bright legal minds. Andrew Weissman is chief among them. As a lead member of Robert Mueller’s special counsel’s office and a professor, Weissman knows how to meticulously break down the facts when it comes to all the president’s mess. On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, he explains just how significant Trump’s national security breach was, without even knowing what’s in the documents secreted away at Mar-a-Lago. And what’s Attorney General Merrick Garland poised to do? Weissman has an idea.Plus, Hive media reporter Joe Pompeo on the birth of true-crime mania and his new book, “Blood & Ink.” Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, cohosts Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan talk to Tim O’Brien, executive editor of Bloomberg Opinion and author of "TrumpNation," about the latest obstacle in the Department of Justice’s investigation into Trump’s handling of top secret documents. The decision by Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, to appoint a “special master” to review the documents and slow the investigation, reeks of politics, says O’Brien. “Does this send a signal to other Trump appointees that you should carry the bag for your handler?” he asks. Despite Judge Cannon’s recent ruling, "the reality is this is a very robust and existentially threatening investigation to Donald Trump,” O'Brien adds, and Trump’s political power in the coming midterms is clearly on the wane. Can the law prevail over politics? Also in this episode: Hagan talks to Edward Buckles, Jr., director of the searing HBO documentary, “Katrina Babies.” A filmmaker from New Orleans who was 13 at the time of Hurricane Katrina, Buckles explores the tragic fallout on the lives of his friends and loved ones, most of whom never returned to their homes, part of an African-American diaspora largely ignored after the tragedy faded from the American consciousness. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Virtually every poll this summer had Democrat Pat Ryan losing his campaign for Congress to Republican challenger Marc Molinaro, including one released on the day of the election. This week, Ryan joins Inside the Hive’s Joe Hagan to talk about his shock victory in a rural New York district that’s now being viewed as a bellwether for Democratic hopes this fall. Ryan’s campaign (to replace Antonio Delgado, who left his seat to become New York’s lieutenant governor) began at about the same time as the leak of the Supreme Court’s draft Dobbs opinion in May. Ryan, a former Army officer and West Point graduate, leaned into the abortion issue and discovered a highly energized Democratic base. His campaign, he says, focused on “freedom and choice and the idea that I don’t want the government telling me or my fellow Americans what to do in their personal lives. That is clearly a resonant thing, and really a patriotic thing, and so I think that's one of the big takeaways here.”Along with the Dobbs decision, Ryan says, the January 6 hearings and the Mar-a-Lago raid have underlined the fragility of democracy in the face of GOP overreach, which has become a top issue among voters. “What we’re seeing happen nationally is a wake-up call that these are sort of deeper, more foundational rights,” Ryan says. “We’re not as divided as people might want to make us out to be.” “No one expects to agree on everything, that’s crazy,” Ryan observes. Voters “just want you to not bullshit them—no more bullshit. Be real, be a human being, be outraged that freedoms are literally being ripped away from people. And when you do that, it connects. That should not be surprising, but somehow in today’s politics the bar is so low that it somehow does connect and stand out.”Also this week: Cohost Emily Jane Fox talks to Hive correspondent Joe Pompeo about his juicy exclusive interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, amid her new role and the broader shifting landscape of cable news. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Her fame has endured. Her brand has expanded. The way the media has framed who she was and how she is talked about has changed. Paris Hilton sat down with Emily Jane Fox for an interview to talk about that shift, that sex tape, and nostalgia culture. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

This week, Vanity Fair tech correspondent Nick Bilton speaks with cohost Joe Hagan about the recent leaks from Facebook that reveal the company knew of the toxic impact of their platforms, including Instagram, on users, especially teenage girls. In a world in which the social media giants—FAANG, or Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google—are too rich and powerful to be contained by limp political and regulatory systems, “we’re left to the wolves,” says Bilton. After covering the social media world for a decade, Bilton says the only way to beat the media giants is to hack the system—ourselves—by reprogramming our behaviors, which are the literal coins of the social media realm. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, Emily Jane Fox sits down with the First Son to talk about his addiction, his dad, what makes a Biden love story, and why he thinks the GOP, and Don Jr. in particular, are obsessed with him. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Hive correspondents unpack Jared Kushner’s romantic and financial spin in his upcoming memoir and try making sense of Donald Trump burying his ex-wife, Ivanka’s mother, on a New Jersey golf course. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham joins Inside the Hive to talk about what she witnessed on January 6th, Melania’s “lazy” run as First Lady, and what people should know ahead of 2024. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices