Infamous

This week on Infamous, Vanessa dives into the wild and contradictory world of Kid Rock—once a chart-topping, genre-blending superstar, now a provocateur entangled in political stunts. She’s joined by writer David Peisner, who shares behind-the-scenes stories from his iconic Rolling Stone profile. Is Kid Rock a misunderstood rebel or just another troll in America's celebrity circus? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Natalie explores the rise of the “trad wife”—a woman who embraces traditional gender roles and 1950s-style domesticity—with Washington Post columnist Monica Hesse. From curated homemaking to cultural nostalgia, we unpack what this retro revival says about gender, identity, and the digital age. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kami thought she could help fix what Josh broke. But as she leaned on faith and tried to guide him back to honesty, she began to realize this wasn’t just a crisis of ethics. It was something darker, something unraveling. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As Kami finds meaning in faith and motherhood, Josh builds his charm offensive. He's winning friends and money, but for how long? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

From the outside, Kami Verne’s life seemed perfect: a happy marriage, beautiful children, and a life full of love. But behind closed doors, cracks were starting to form. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, we’re sharing an episode from The Gratitudeology Podcast with Jamie Hess—the powerful story of Jessie Buttafuoco. Jamie Hess, a wonderful interviewer, listens as Jessie’s life turned into a media circus when her father’s mistress attempted to murder her mother. Years later, she is finally ready to tell her own story. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team and gain access to behind the scenes content, join our community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who created bitcoin? No one knows for sure. Journalist Ben Wallace joins Vanessa to discuss The Mysterious Mr. Nakamoto, his deep dive into the search for bitcoin’s elusive founder. From conspiracy theories and mistaken identities to lost fortunes and billion-dollar mysteries, we break down the wild world of meme coins, crypto scams, and the gambling culture of the internet. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Amanda Chicago Lewis discusses her investigative reporting career, including her work uncovering the theft of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee's sex tape, which later became the basis for a Hulu series. She emphasizes how the public's portrayal of Pamela Anderson as a "villain" for the tape was incorrect. The discussion with Vanessa also touches on the broader impact of celebrity sex tapes, including the recent news involving Kevin Blatt and Kanye West. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lululemon is more than just leggings—it’s an ethos. In the final episode of Murder at Lululemon, Vanessa and Natalie examine the company’s goal-setting philosophy, and its ties to a seminar training company. Former employees share their experiences working inside Lululemon’s high-performance environment, revealing a world where retail meets personal transformation. (Lululemon did not respond to a list of reporting inquiries). Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The police have a suspect. But now, they need a confession. In this episode, Vanessa and Natalie take you inside a tense police interrogation—where detectives push, and Brittany pushes back. Meanwhile, prosecutors start digging into her past, uncovering a troubling pattern of deception. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, access behind the scenes content, and more! Join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With media pressure mounting, detectives in Bethesda, Maryland, race to find the men responsible for the attack inside Lululemon. But as they chase down surveillance footage, sift through evidence, and follow tips, an unsettling pattern starts to emerge—one that doesn’t quite fit the story they’ve been told. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lululemon built its brand on goal-setting, positivity, and high-performance culture. But in 2011, inside a store in Bethesda, Maryland, those neatly folded leggings became the backdrop for something far darker—a brutal, high-profile murder. In the first episode of this four-part series, Vanessa and Natalie take you inside the crime scene and share audio from police files. To learn more about the case, check out Dan Morse’s book The Yoga Store Murder. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What explains the darkest corners of human behavior? In this episode, Vanessa and Natalie talk with psychologist Dr. Kate Balestrieri about the “dark triad”—psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism—and how these traits shape some of the infamous figures we’ve covered, from convicted cult leaders to alleged abusers. They explore the psychology behind these personalities, why they captivate us, and what it says about our culture. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the summer of 2024, It Ends with Us hit theaters, but the film's promotional campaign was a mess. Blake Lively faced backlash for seeming out of touch, while her co-star Justin Baldoni took a more serious approach, highlighting the film’s focus on domestic violence. Months later, Lively filed a lawsuit, claiming she was deeply misrepresented. So, what really happened behind the scenes? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week on Infamous, we dive into the dark side of Abercrombie & Fitch. Once the ultimate symbol of early-aughts cool, the brand is now mired in shocking allegations against former CEO Mike Jeffries. Natalie sits down with White Hot filmmaker Alison Klayman and producer Colin Jones to unpack the rise and fall of Abercrombie, the culture it embodied, and the disturbing claims of exploitation that have come to light. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are the Menendez brothers guilty of cold-blooded murder, or were they victims pushed to a breaking point? In this episode, attorney and newsman Jesse Weber dives into the shocking 1989 case with Lily and Vanessa, exploring the evidence, trial, and emotional testimonies that gripped the nation. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, we take a moment to reflect on the incredible journey so far. Natalie and Vanessa talk about why they wanted to make this podcast, their favorite episodes including the first one (Girls Gone Wild), all the way through the fall of Ruby Franke. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Natalie and Vanessa sit down with Jazmine Hughes, celebrated writer and cultural commentator, to dive into her deep admiration for R&B legend Usher, plus the questions around his relationship with Diddy. From "Yeah!" to Confessions and beyond, Jazmine unpacks Usher's enduring impact on music, pop culture, and Diddy's current legal troubles. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vanessa Grigoriadis and Natalie Robehmed discuss their experiences interviewing Kim Kardashian and tackle the big questions: Why were PETA activists at Kim’s book signing? What was Kanye’s role in her Forbes cover photo outfit? And how has this media-savvy family managed to keep us all under their spell for so long? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Kylie Jenner lands on the cover of Forbes magazine, it sparks a debate over the definition of self-made. And when Kylie Cosmetics gets acquired, it seems like reality TV’s first family may have not been upfront. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Kylie Jenner launches her lip kits of matching lipsticks and lip liners, it appears the youngest Kardashian-Jenner is suddenly at the helm of a sky-rocketing makeup company — one that catches the interest of Forbes magazine. But the truth may be more complicated. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we talk to OG newspaper columnist Andrea Peyser about Martha Stewart’s candid remarks about her, as revealed in a recent documentary. We explore Peyser's perspective on Stewart's sharp criticism and how Peyser felt during Stewart's legal troubles. Tune in as we analyze the complex dynamic between media figures and the power of their narratives. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ten Percent Happier’s Dan Harris is a former ABC News journalist who became a leading advocate for meditation and mindfulness after experiencing a live on-air panic attack in 2004. On his Substack, which you can read/listen to here, he explains how he went on a healthier path to well-being. His journey led him to meditation, which he credits with helping him achieve a happier and more balanced life. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Natalie and Vanessa talk to Evgenia Peretz about Peacock's Anatomy of Lies, which is well worth watching now. Directed and produced by Evgenia and David Schisgall, Anatomy of Lies provides a thorough exploration of a Grey’s Anatomy writer’s ascent in Hollywood, the complex network of falsehoods she created, and the aftermath as her deceit was uncovered. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this chilling episode of Infamous, Vanessa speaks with Ashley Fantz—the journalist behind the podcast Body Brokers—and dives into the hidden world of body brokering, a disturbing industry where human remains are bought and sold for profit. Through her investigation into the shocking story of a mother-daughter-run funeral home in Colorado, Ashley uncovered a reality that forces us to ask: what really happens to our bodies after death? To learn more about the South Florida Willed Body Program, visit https://med.miami.edu/programs/sofab/body-donation Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In a world where dating apps rule—but leave many feeling disillusioned and drained—it’s easy to wonder if there’s a better way to find love. Amy Van Doren, a New York City matchmaker who founded the Modern Love Club, talks about her nearly two decades of experience catering to high-profile clients and how to find real romance. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at joincampside.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Natalie dives into the unbelievable yet true story of how Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman formed an unlikely bond with Hollywood icon Johnny Depp. Bradley Hope, who founded Project Brazen, talks about how Depp found himself welcomed into the prince's inner circle in a tale that blurs the lines between celebrity, power, and intrigue. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Natalie and Vanessa discuss the way therapy rose in our culture over the past 20 years, and catch up with two women who grew up in co-counseling. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We examine trouble in the Boston school system, particularly the Boston Student Advisory Council, when a youth worker was found practicing co-counseling with minors without parental consent. We hear the story of student Keondre McClay, who felt pressured to attend an overnight retreat where he was asked by white adults to physically express his emotions as a way to address his trauma from racial experiences. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we explore Re-evaluation Counseling (RC), a group that promotes emotional release as a way to heal psychological wounds. Originating in the 1950s, RC encourages individuals to process their emotions through crying, shaking, or laughing, while also framing itself as a movement for social change. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Natalie's talking today to Pulitzer Prize-winner Emily Nussbaum, author of bestselling book Cue the Sun, about reality TV. From Love Island to Scandoval to Love is Blind, reality TV is more than a guilty pleasure - it's a powerful mirror of society itself. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How did the leader of Tesla and SpaceX turn into a late-night Twitter addict? A onetime tech optimist, Elon, father of 12 children and all around angsty guy, has a darker cast of mind today. Natalie talks to Ryan Mac, who co-authored Character Limit, a book about Elon and Twitter. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthew Perry was a beloved star making a million dollars an episode on Friends. But he could never shake his addiction to drugs, and died at 54 years old after taking ketamine in his backyard hot tub. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lululemon’s expensive leggings propelled the company to a $29 billion market cap and made its founder, Chip Wilson, a billionaire. But Lululemon also has had its fair share of scandals, including some comments from Chip about who should – or should not – wear its clothes. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can we trust our own memories? Vanessa and Natalie hear from memory experts to dig into the ideas of repressed and false memory that came up in the Kelly Michaels story. They also discuss how the themes in this story are still relevant today – from Lil Nas X to Pizzagate. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After years in prison, Kelly is finally free. But what about those on the other side of the table? Does it matter whether or not Kelly is innocent, if they believe she isn’t? Experts weigh in on the role memory plays in cases like Kelly’s, and what the Satanic panic can teach us about the moral panics of today. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Not long ago, Kelly Michaels was a daycare worker and aspiring actor; now, she’s locked in a prison cell, in solitary confinement, struggling to hold on to her sanity. Meanwhile, some journalists and activists are beginning to see a pattern in all the bizarre allegations against daycare workers around the country — and they take an interest in Kelly’s case. Something smells fishy, and they soon help Kelly in her plight to prove her innocence. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Advances in developmental psychology dispel the popular belief that children should be seen and not heard. And as news reports surface of danger, parents are anxious to hear what their kids have to say. When a child from Wee Care Nursery School mentions something suspicious about his former teacher, Kelly, the authorities leap into action. Accusations multiply, and suddenly, parents aren’t just listening to their children; they might unwittingly be telling them what to say. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For Kelly Michaels, all of history is a Tolkien-like battle between a small number of heroes and villains. Most of us are hobbits — the in-between folks, just trying to get by. Kelly, who makes a modest living at Wee Care Nursery School in Maplewood, New Jersey, considers herself an ordinary hobbit. That is, until she — like Frodo — gets swept up in a battle, as panic sweeps the nation over a surge in Satanism. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How did a shy teenager from North Carolina become one of the biggest YouTubers in the world, making more than 80 million dollars a year? In this episode, Vanessa talks to Proof News founder Julia Angwin, plus MrBeast expert, her eight-year-old son, to discuss MrBeast’s superfame and the new genre he pioneered: philanthropy as entertainment. Read more about Julia's new venture and how she is remaking news on YouTube, at proofnews.org. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

From wage discrimination to dangerous weight loss methods to personal safety concerns, the scandals that have rocked the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders over the past half century touch on almost every issue in contemporary feminist discourse. This week, Vanessa and Natalie talk to Sarah Hepola, creator of the Texas Monthly podcast America’s Girls and author of Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget. Sarah looks back at the history of the beloved cheerleading team, the complicated place they hold in our culture, and what those cheerleaders meant to her as a young girl growing up in Texas. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After a multi-year hiatus, the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show has returned, but it’s nothing like it used to be. Natalie attended the show in 2015 with celebs like Kris Jenner and Selena Gomez, but a lot has happened to the brand since then, including the bombshell revelation about the owner Les Wexner’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Vanessa reunites with Fallen Angel co-creator Justine Harman to tell the shocking story of the world’s most infamous lingerie brand. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Find out more about Campside Media, follow us @campside_media or join our community at campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Earlier this year, a door fell blew off of a Boeing 737 Max mid-flight, and there's now a massive investigation into Boeing, one of the largest producers of airplanes in the world. This wasn’t the first time a Boeing plane malfunctioned during a flight – in fact, it turns out the company has been nosediving for years. Aviation writer Jeff Wise tells us what happened at Boeing, what’s being done about it, and if it’s safe to fly. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ruby and Jodi are both serving their prison sentences, but was this tragic story a microcosm of a larger problem? Vanessa and Natalie listen back to some new jail tapes and other audio recordings and discuss the difficult question of who is ultimately responsible for what happened — and what it will take to protect children online in the future. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode is free on 7/11. After they are arrested for harming Ruby's children, Ruby and Jodi head to court to fight the charges against them. Ruby seemingly has another revelation, one that leads her to turn on Jodi. But who is really to blame for all the abuse? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode is free on 7/4. Through a series of religious visions, Jodi and Ruby become convinced that there is a war between good and evil, and that Ruby's children are agents of the devil. They begin to treat the kids with a new level of cruelty. With Ruby’s husband Kevin estranged, who will save them? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode is free on 6/27. Ruby's parenting techniques start to spark backlash online, and when her YouTube career collapses, Ruby joins Jodi's Connexions empire. We take a deep dive into Jodi's family therapy business and hear from some of her past clients, including Ruby's husband Kevin, who reveals that something very strange is going on with Jodi. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ruby gains a reputation for being strict with her kids, in contrast to the popular practice of gentle parenting. But when she starts having trouble with her eldest son, and with her husband Kevin, Ruby turns to a Mormon family therapist named Jodi Hildebrandt. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stay-at-home mom Ruby Franke starts a YouTube channel, joining a popular niche of Mormon women sharing their lives online as mommy vloggers. While Ruby gains a following for her videos of the everyday life of a big Mormon family, we hear from Ruby's former neighbor, who sensed that something dark was going on in her home. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Technology and culture writer Taylor Lorenz joins Vanessa and Natalie to discuss TikTok, its addictive algorithm, and what’s behind the U.S. ban of the app. Is TikTok really an instrument of insidious espionage and control, or are lawmakers just scared of Gen Z activism? What will banning the app really mean—and what precedent will it set? Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices