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S8 Ep 300E300: The Final ITRH Podcast Episode (for now)

Tune in for the final episode and hear Aaron interviewed by a listener. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e300 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

Jun 18, 201944 min

S8 Ep 299E299: The Best of ITRH Part II

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Just one episode left. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e299 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

Jun 17, 201950 min

S8 Ep 298E298: Best ITRH of Part 1

Announcements of a special best of episode. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e298 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

Jun 10, 20191h 5m

S8 Ep 297E297: You Need To Know This One Thing About Survival

We discuss the one big thing I hope you take away from this season about survival and preparedness. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e297 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

May 20, 20199 min

S8 Ep 296E296: The 7 Best Lessons from Professional Gunslingers

We cover the best advice shared by professional gun slingers and tactical trainers from over the years. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e296 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

May 6, 201913 min

S8 Ep 295E295: Zen and the Art of How to Walk Silently

Dexx drops in the explain how walking silently is a useful skill that teaches you a lot more than you ever expected. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e295

Apr 22, 201931 min

S8 Ep 294E294: Survival CHI Final Summation

In this back to basics episode, we return to the source: Survival CHI—corny name, but the serious model ITRH was founded on. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e294 ~ Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to the ITRH Podcast? https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301/

Apr 15, 201914 min

S8 Ep 293E293: Fundamentals of the Survival Model Basic-8 Made Easy

We go back to basics with a short discussion on the basic-8. It's your simple mental model for ensuring your preparedness bases are covered. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e293 ~ The end of the podcast explainer episode https://www.intherabbithole.com/301

Apr 8, 20198 min

S8 Ep 292E291: Glen Tate on The State of Prepping and the US

Glen Tate, the author of the 299 Days series, drops in. Glen Tate, the author of the 299 Days series, drops in. We catch up on his shenanigans, how his views have changed over the years, and a future outlook. ~ The end of the podcast explainer episode https://www.intherabbithole.com/e301 ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e291

Mar 25, 201945 min

Special Announcement: WTF is Happening to ITRH?

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We discuss the future of ITRH, what's happening, and a brief explanation. https://www.intherabbithole.com/301

Mar 20, 20196 min

S8 Ep 290E290: Appleseed, Farm, Field, and Firearms

Amanda from Farm Field and Firearms drops by. We discuss her adventures at Appleseed and learning to shoot to 3000 yards. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e290

Mar 18, 201926 min

S8 Ep 289E289: Water Storage for Preppers Simplified

We go back to basics with a short discussion on water storage for preppers. Are you ignoring a crucial prep or probably over thinking it? Get show notes and resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e289/

Mar 11, 20198 min

S8 Ep 288E288: Meditations on Violence for Your Survival with Rory Miller

Author and corrections officer Rorry Miller joins us once again. We discuss his book Meditations on Violence and important lies that might get you killed. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e288

Mar 4, 201942 min

S8 Ep 287E287: The Tide Series - A Bio-apocalypse Thriller

Author and bioengineer Anthony Melchiorri Ph.D. drops in to share with us how he crafts his post-apocalyptic fiction just for you in The Tide series. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e287

Feb 25, 201924 min

S8 Ep 286E286: What Does it Mean to Be a Competent Prepper

Justin Carroll drops by to discuss what it means to be a competent prepper and why becoming an expert isn't the right path for most preppers. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e286

Feb 18, 201937 min

S8 Ep 285E285: Building a Bug Out Bag: Big 6 New Prepper Mistakes

A bug out bags (aka BOB) is a cornerstone kit for preppers. There's a good reason. It addresses one of the three primary responses: fight, flight, and freeze. But you're not a simple animal. So, we'll cover the six big mistakes preppers commonly make. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e285

Feb 11, 20198 min

S8 Ep 284E284: How to Not Go Cryptocurrency Crazy in 2019

Your cryptocurrency Joey King drops by. We discuss the latest in the world of digital scarcity and what the future may hold. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e284

Feb 4, 201934 min

S8 Ep 283E283: Trackers - An EMP Post-Apocalyptic Survival Thriller

Author Nicholas Sansbury Smith drops by. He's going to share with us how he crafted his EMP Thriller, titled the Tracker's series, just for you. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e283

Jan 28, 201927 min

S8 Ep 282E282: Your EDC Kits Made Astoundingly Useful

EDC Kits are just as important, if not more, than BOBs. And like bug out bags, they are often built incorrectly. Your buddy Just Carroll drops by for a realistic discussion on simplifying your EDC. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e282/

Jan 21, 201948 min

S8 Ep 281E281: A Simple Beginner's Guide to Practical Preparedness

We go back to basics with a beginner's guide to preparedness. A much-requested episode even by some long-time practitioners. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e281

Jan 14, 201914 min

S8 Ep 279E279: Once Upon an Apocalypse EMP with Jeff Motes

Author Jeff Motes drops by. He's going to share with us how he crafted his Once Upon an Apocalypse series just for you. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e279

Dec 31, 201822 min

S8 Ep 278E278: Will 2019 Make Crazy 2018 Look Tame?

Things are getting weird out there roving horde! 2018 was a strange year that sounds like a Billy Joel song when shared out loud. So what's the ITRH prediction for 2019 and the answer? ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e278

Dec 24, 20185 min

S8 Ep 277E277: 2018 Super Random Intergalactic Prepper Gear Review

It's the 2018 annual Super Random Intergalactic Prepper Gear Review episode, kids. If you're new, this is not an exhaustive review. Instead, they're simply fun episodes were I discuss produces I've personally purchased in the last year and what my thoughts are on them after a few months or a year of using. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e277

Dec 17, 201821 min

S8 Ep 276E276: No BS Emergency Medicine for Crisis Big and Small

Paramedic Josh drops into the studio to share real-world information on becoming the medic of your prepper household. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e276

Dec 10, 201844 min

S8 Ep 275E275: Prepper Holiday Gifts Ideas and Shenanigans

Your buddy Mark drops by. We discuss holiday gift buying ideas for the prepper in your house. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e275

Dec 3, 20181h 0m

S8 Ep 274E274: What Happens to the Survivors of an EMP Disaster

Author Chris Pike drops in to share her story, how she crafts prepper post-apocalyptic fiction, and an inside look at her EMP Survivor Series of books. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e274

Nov 26, 201829 min

S8 Ep 273E273: Building AKs in 2019 with Jim Fuller

Firearms industry legend Jim Fuller of Rifle Dynamics joins us. We discuss building AKs and the future of 1940s tech. You know Rifle Dynamics if you're into the AK-47 and AK-74. And if you don't cotton to them, Jim might be able to change your mind. ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e273

Nov 19, 201847 min

S8 Ep 272E272: The Truth About Money and Preparedness

Joshua Sheets of Radical Personal Finance returns to discuss one of the biggest taboos of modern society: Money. At its core, money is an omni-tool; it can be turned into nearly anything else needed. Join us as we discuss the mindsets, strategies, and tactics for ensuring your financial health. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e272

Nov 12, 20181h 3m

S8 Ep 271E271: Rory Miller on How to Win with Conflict Communication

Rory Miller joins us to discuss his book Conflict Communication, manipulation, and how to handle hostile confrontations easily. Can social engineering be used for good as well as evil? Can these skills save your life? Find out in this episode... ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e271

Nov 5, 20181h 3m

S8 Ep 270E270: What Happens When a Pandemic Kills 99%

Author of After it Happens, Devon Ford, drops by. He's a by former Guinness Book of Records record holder and shooting star of a writer. He's going to tell us all about how he crafts his dystopian fiction for you. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e270

Oct 29, 201833 min

S8 Ep 269E269: How Zombies Came to Be a Survival Metaphor

Zombies: Are they absolute nonsense or useful metaphor for modern survival? In this episode, we have a little spooky fun and wax philosophically to gain perspective on prepping and the main thing to focus on. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e269

Oct 22, 201814 min

S8 Ep 268E268: How to Exploit a Solo 401K For Frugal Preppers

Have you ever heard about a Solo 401K? We'd never heard of it either. Turns out, we're not alone. But what's more interesting is how you can use this financial tool as a prepper and safeguard your money even if the market melts down. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e268

Oct 15, 201831 min

S8 Ep 266E266: Can BitCoin or BitCoin Cash hit $40,000 This Year?

Your BitCoin Cash buddy Joey King drops by. We discuss what the heck is going on with cryptocurrencies and what the future may hold. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e266

Oct 1, 201843 min

S8 Ep 265E265: What Happens When a Country Tears Apart

Author Shelby Gallagher drops in for her first ITRH interview. We discuss her book The Divide, her story, and some scary goings-on in Oregon. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e265

Sep 24, 201825 min

S8 Ep 264E264: Lessons From Gun Control in the Third Reich

Gun control in the Third Reich is referenced in firearms regulations debates often. Yet, concrete information wasn't readily available, until now. Fortunately, Stephen Halbrook took up the challenge. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e264 Stephen Halbrook is an author, lawyer, and champion of the 2nd Amendment. And he's going to share with us a history lesson of gun control from Nazi German through his book Gun Control in the Third Reich. Restrict or absolution gun rights they say... Force people to register their firearms they say... What could go wrong, it's for the greater good they say. History has something to say on the topic. And Stephen Halbrook spent 20-years collecting, analyzing, and distilling the information into a book. Join us as he walks us through some of the salient points and takeaways. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e264

Sep 17, 201848 min

S8 Ep 263E263: How to Make Cows Pay for a Bug Out Location

Catch-up with Co-host Jason and his efforts to parlay his small-scale beef production effort into paying for a bug out location. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Get episode resources here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e263 To bring new listeners up to speed, Jason is one of the original hosts of ITRH. He and Aaron spent years playing around with rabbit and chicken production on the ITRH Urban farm. After the closure of the urban farm, Jason began a passion project with two objects: 1) Start a small-scale beef production operation (aka micro-ranching) 2) Parlay the success of the beef production into a business and use the proceeds to pay for a bug out location So what's the result of Jason's venture after a few years? Find out in this episode.

Sep 10, 201853 min

S7 Ep 262E262: Building Systems of Survival Support

We quickly discuss bugging out, bugging in, hunkering down, and making sure you didn't forget your wooby. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e262

Aug 20, 20184 min

S7 Ep 261E261: Hurricane Preparedness in Under 10-Minutes

Here's the thing about hurricanes: The time to think about them and prepare for them is long before they happen. This episode is a reminder for some and gentle nudge to all who might live in areas that experience them. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e261

Jul 30, 20188 min

S7 Ep 260E260: What Happens When You Are Drowning in Preparedness

In this ITRH summer short, we ponder what happens when you are drowning in preparedness. And we'll discuss simple ideas for avoiding it. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e260

Jul 16, 20187 min

S7 Ep 259E259: A Dirty Civil War and Fun With Checklists

We discuss rumors of civil war and checking your preps to ensure you are indeed prepped so you can be ready for whatever comes next. ~ Check out the gear shop here: https://www.intherabbithole.com/shop/ ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e259 ~ Topics from this Episode: * Should you work yourself into a lather over current events ore merely be away * Checking the everyday things around your home * Reviewing your bugout bag and other kits * Reviewing your plans with your spouse * Checking your medical supplies, long-term food storage, and batteries * Don't forget about pets ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e259

Jul 2, 20187 min

S7 Ep 258E258: The Truth About Prepper Fiction

It's summer shorts time. In this short, we discuss my favorite post-apocalyptic fiction. And we'll get into something very wrong some readers do with their prepper fiction. ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e258 ~ Breaking Prepper Fiction and My Favorit Books: My 5 favorite prepper books and a few honorable mentions The wrong way preppers view fiction Why fiction in the genre is great and can be useful ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e258

Jun 18, 201812 min

S7 Ep 257E257: The Weird Model Putting People in Danger

It's summer shorts time once again. In this short we discuss the hidden mechanism of modern society putting people at risk. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e257 Weird summer short for you today. I say weird because almost no-one really talks about this. But it is a major weak point in our society today. Weak because of fragility. I have to warn you. This might be a little boring at first. We're going to talk about an inventory strategy. Or this will be exciting if operations and efficiency blows your skirt up. This inventory strategy has produced a large benefit for developed nations. It lowers costs of the things you buy every day. And its meant shelves in stores are rarely empty. The strategy is called Just-in-time inventory. Breaking Down Just-in-Time Doom: The model explained simply Why business use this strategy How the strategy works What rubber dog doo has to do with just-in-time inventory How supply interruptions impact human behavior How JIT influences human behavior in the long-term What you should do to make sure you do not fall victim to JIT ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e257

Jun 4, 201820 min

S7 Ep 256E256: The 7 Best Prepper and Survival Books

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We discuss the seven best survival book every prepper should read in this ITRH Summer Shorts episode. We'll cover six nonfiction and one fiction book that influenced most modern prepper fiction. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e256 I'm often asked this question,"What's your favorite book on survival?" There isn't one singular book. But there are a collection of survival books I love. And I'll share each of them with you here. Note: If you're new to ITRH, this is a summer short episode. As the name suggests, summer shorts are short episodes intended to tide you over till the full seasons starts back up in the fall. They come out about every two weeks.

May 21, 201815 min

S7 Ep 255E255: The Dark and Heavy Season 7 Finale

We look back on the season, share a personal update, look to the future, and answer some listener questions. It's the season 7 finale. Don't miss.We look back on the season, share a personal update, look to the future, and answer some listener questions. It's the season 7 finale. Don't miss. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e255 Topics Discussed: How season 8 will differ from past episodes The two "big things" that influenced the season to end early What keeps me in prepped Social Welfare Programs The erosion of liberty in a time of progress The Alfie Evans implications for the US China's Social Credit System ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e255

May 7, 201830 min

S7 Ep 253E253: 2018 Super Random Prepper Gear Show

It's the time of year where I review gear purchased in the last year. These are things I'm using, playing with, loving, and hating, in some cases. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e253

Apr 23, 201844 min

S7 Ep 252E252: Facebook, YouTube, and Guns!

In this episode, we riff on guns, YouTube, and Facebook. And we'll sit down with Justin Carroll. He'll us understand Cambridge Analytics and your intimate secrets. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e252 Episode Topics: What happened to the ITRH Facebook page and group Why this is a short episode Cambridge Alanalitica data scrape How much of your intimates were scooped up The current attack on the Second Amendment Thoughts on the YouTube "Gun Ban" ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e252

Apr 9, 201819 min

S7 Ep 251E251: Surprising New Perspective on the EMP Nightmare

An EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) attack is one of the top three most feared catastrophes by preppers. It is reported that there will be a 90% population die off in the first year after one occurs. And that's just the start. But do we know the truth about EMPs? ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e251 Arthur Bradley Ph.D., a NASA Scientist, Electrical Engineer, and Certified EMI expert drops by to tell us the truth and destroy the myths. An episode dedicated to discussing an EMP is one of the most requested topics In The Rabbit Hole gets. But we held off on doing it all these years. The reason was this: We wanted someone who had the credentials and background to speak on the topic expertly. That required a very special person who understood the physics, math, preppers, and prepper fiction. Note: This episode is technical. We do our best to make the EMP topic approachable for everyone. But somethings just are what they are. With that... Let's. Discuss. EMPs! EMP Topics Covered and Myths Dispelled: Are EMPs a real threat or a Prepper fiction fantasy? How much of what is spread around the community about EMPs is false? The low-frequency high-destruction problem Where do EMPs and CMEs overlap and where do they differ? What are the conditions needed for an EMP to be generated and most effective? Are there nuclear bombs optimized to maximize an EMP? Are there any immediate physical dangers to people by an EMP? What are the ways a bad actor can effectively use an EMP? Can an EMP be used from an Airplane effectively? Does tinfoil really work as shielding or is best left to headwater to keep out the alien mind control waves? What will just stop working and what is a myth? Will all cars die after an EMP? Are batteries susceptible? Will it fry Solar Systems? Does the entry electric grid go down? Will a gun safe protect your electronic gun optics? Can you use a metal trashcan to protect electronics? What products and DIY projects are available to protect electronics? ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e251

Apr 2, 20181h 3m

S7 Ep 250E250: Part III of 15 Lessons Important from 15 Years In Survival

Together, we wrap up the series on lessons from the past. I'll share the final 5 lessons I've learned from 15-years in preparedness. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e250 Lessons Covered: Shooting isn't the only prepper skill to learn Your NO list is as important as your To Do list It really would take 3-years of supplies There will always be a looming threat Live every day like it MIGHT be your last and find some joy Episode Resouces: ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e250

Mar 26, 201819 min

S7 Ep 249E249: 5 Important Lessons from 15 Years in Survivalism Part II

We pick up where we left off in episode 248. I'll share 5 more lessons I've learned from 15-years in survivalism. Seems a lot of people enjoyed part one of the 5 Important Lessons from 15 Years in Survivalism series. So we're going to keep things rolling with a part II and part III. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e249 Everything in life is a journey, as the cliche. And along the journey, you make mistakes and course corrections. As you progress your view of the journey changes. Maybe you develop new strategies to replace old strategies. Perhaps you find you understand something completely different from experiences. These are the things that shape us. And by sharing them we help others progress faster, lose less time, stumble more infrequently, and stay in with more conviction. As a side note: The title of this series is 5 lessons from 15-Years. I can't say when I really got serious about prep. The show started in 2010, but I think this all started in 2003. By started I mean where this started to be something I thought about and engaged in daily. Note: Comment on this episode and share lessons you've learned along the way. These lessons should be the things you would tell you're younger self or someone just starting out. Survivalism Lessons Covered: Last Week Why you can't reasonably become a human swiss army knife. Why All answers need context and nuance. How Planning and Prepping For TEOTWAWKI is a recipe for disaster and burnout. You can't force your husband, wife, or life partner into prep. But you can probably lead them into prep. Almost everything needs an ROI in the immediate future; especially in the beginning. People are your greatest asset and danger in an event. You're better off keeping it to yourself - most of the time. Most preppers think all other preppers are probably loons, and they're right. But only 1% of the time. Nothing is as easy as 'old-timers' make it out to be. Skill almost always supersedes gear. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e249

Mar 19, 201820 min

S7 Ep 248E248: 5 Important Prepper Lessons from 15 Years in Survival

Together, we do a little time travel to learn lessons from the past. I'll share 5 lessons I've learned from 15 years in survival preparedness. These are the things I wish I could go back and tell myself. And even if you've been at it a while, you may find some helpful insights and mindsets from these prepper lessons. ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e248 As a side note: The title of this episode is 5 lessons from 15-Years. I can't say when I really got serious about prep. The show started in 2010, but I think this all started in 2003. By started I mean where this started to be something I thought about and engaged in daily. Comment on this episode and let me know if you'd like a part two. I came up with 15 in total, but we're just going to do 5 today. Again, comment to let me know if you liked this episode and want the other 10 things. Prepper Lessons Covered: You can't become a Swiss Army knife; you'll just wear yourself out Answers need context and nuance Planning and Prepping For TEOTWAWKI is a recipe for disaster and burnout You can't force your partner into prep Everything needs immediate ROI; in the beginning ~ Become a supporting member here: http://www.itrh.net ~ Resources from this episode can be found at: https://www.intherabbithole.com/e248

Mar 12, 201818 min