In Proximity

We’re back in the archives with a re-release of one of our first episodes ever featuring writer, producer, and Proximity Media founder Sev Ohanian and writer/director Aneesh Chaganty. Together, Sev and Aneesh wrote, directed, and produced the hit thrillers SEARCHING (2018), RUN (2020), and MISSING (2023). Their next project together is the upcoming DOPPELGÄNGER, produced with their producing partner Natalie Qasabian at Search Party and Proximity Media. This episode is a deep dive into Sev and Aneesh’s intricate and informative screenwriting process. It’s a masterclass with top tier writing pros well as a peek into what makes a solid creative partnership. CHECK OUT THE ORIGINAL EPISODEScreenwriting Masterclass with SEARCHING’s Aneesh Chaganty and Sev Ohanian SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:50) From the archives… Sev Ohanian and Aneesh Chaganty! (02:37) Aneesh started his writing partnership with Sev… on a lie!? (08:15) The “Blue Skies” phase of screenwriting (11:44) Outlining: SAVE THE CAT, Google Docs, and phone call arguments (14:53) Share your work with friends! (and ask a thousand questions) (18:33) Research should inform your story, not BECOME the story (21:41) Need a recap? Click HERE (25:19) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza, Cedric Wilson, Judybelle Camangyan Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Producer: Caitlin Plummer Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Production Assistants: Isabella Miller, Polina Cherezova Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

We’re going back into the IN PROXIMITY archives for the next several weeks, rereleasing masterclasses on filmmaking and screenwriting. On this episode, we’re rebroadcasting a conversation between Ryan Coogler and Cord Jefferson, writer/director/producer of the award-winning feature film AMERICAN FICTION. A few weeks after winning the 2024 Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay, Cord hopped on a call with Ryan to discuss their first films, his unconventional path to filmmaking, and his experience as a first-time director. They also talk about their upcoming projects, and Ryan teases a little bit about SINNERS. He recorded this conversation from New Orleans as he was just about to go into production on the film. CHECK OUT THE ORIGINAL EPISODECord Jefferson and Ryan Coogler on Writing, Directing, and What They’re Doing Next SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (01:45) From the archives… Ryan Coogler and Cord Jefferson! (02:30) Get Reel (10:46) Cord’s first writing job took GUTS (19:28) How Cord learned to collaborate with Jeffrey Wright on AMERICAN FICTION (27:58) Ryan and Cord’s next projects (hint: SINNERS) (35:48) “You shouldn’t be doing this if the end goal is to win an Oscar.” (39:49) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza, Cedric Wilson, Judybelle Camangyan Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Producer: Caitlin Plummer Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Production Assistants: Isabella Miller, Polina Cherezova Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

We’re celebrating docs and nonfiction series with Proximity’s Nonfiction department! IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo sits down with Kelli Dunson Buchanan (VP, Head of Nonfiction) and Gaby Arvizu (Creative Executive, Nonfiction), whose projects include the award-winning series HURRICANE KATRINA: RACE AGAINST TIME, STEPHEN CURRY: UNDERRATED, ANTHEM, and HOMEROOM. They share their career stories and what their day-to-day is like developing and producing nonfiction projects at Proximity Media. They also answer listener questions about selecting stories and subjects, editing hours of footage, advice for first-time filmmakers, and how to ethically document stories and engage with communities around traumatic events. Kelli and Gaby drop a lot of gems here… watch, listen, and take notes! CHECK OUT THE PREVIOUS Q&A EPISODEInside Proximity: Working in Film & TV SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) These questions are FIRE! (02:18) Meet Proximity’s Nonfiction department (05:18) The day-to-day of development and production (10:55) Career stories (17:10) Question #1: How to choose your doc’s subject (19:52) Shoutout director Pete Nicks! (20:46) Making HURRICANE KATRINA: RACE AGAINST TIME with Traci Curry (22:45) Question #2: How to ethically document stories and engage with communities around traumatic events (27:57) Question #3: Tips for first-time filmmakers (30:07) What makes first-time doc filmmakers stand out (32:16) How Kelli and Gaby find and cultivate new talent (33:11) Question #4: Editing hours of footage into a film| (37:40) What is cinéma vérité? (39:21) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, A.J. Calomay, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

For this special episode of IN PROXIMITY, we’re celebrating the artisans who brought SINNERS to life. Relive the insightful conversations with Academy Award winners Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan, Autumn Durald Arkapaw, and Ludwig Göransson, and more. CHECK OUT THE ORIGINAL EPISODESAUTUMN DURALD ARKAPAW AND RYAN COOGLERDOLLY LISTEVE GEHRKELUDWIG GÖRANSSON AND RYAN COOGLERMICHAEL B. JORDAN AND RYAN COOGLER SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) Celebrating SINNERS! (01:41) IMAX filmmaking with Autumn Durald Arkapaw and Ryan Coogler (07:23) Delta Chinese history with Dolly Li (11:04) Script supervisor conversation with Steve Gherke (14:38) Blues music with Ludwig Göransson and Ryan Coogler (18:53) Acting with Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza, A.J. Calomay, Brittani Brown, Andrea Walter, Bianca Catbagan Video Producer: Bianca Catbagan Director of Photography: Andrea Walter Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Camera Operator: Josh Ortiz Production Sound Recordists: Mark Patino, Marcelo de Oliveira Gaffer: Chris Boulos Key Grip: Kevin “Chui” Chiu Production Assistants: Devin Saddler, Isabella Miller Production Interns: Ben Caloza, Jun Sawada, Faith Wang Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Barista: George Stevenson

Luke Matheny is a writer, director, and showrunner who won the Academy Award for Best Live-Action Short Film in 2010 for GOD OF LOVE. Luke sat down with IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo to talk about what makes an Oscar-winning short film, how he prepared for his speech, and how he built a career in comedy and children’s programming writing, directing, and running shows like MARON, GORTIMER GIBBON’S LIFE ON NORMAL STREET, and, most recently, the animated series CHARLOTTE’S WEB on HBO Max starring Amy Adams, Elijah Wood, Jean Smart, and Randall Park. CHECK OUT THE FILMSGOD OF LOVEAWESOME ASIAN BAD GUYS SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) Guest intro (02:21) About GOD OF LOVE (04:59) The Oscar trophy — live in the studio! (06:42) Winning an Oscar (10:05) Making GOD OF LOVE at NYU film school (12:10) Using a short film to showcase your talents (16:20) Working with the crew to execute your vision (18:51) What makes a great short film? Imply a sense of structure! (23:54) Remember: time is finite! (28:11) Launching a career after the Oscars, working with Marc Maron (32:13) Showrunning the animated series CHARLOTTE’S WEB (33:10) The cast: Amy Adams, Jean Smart, Elijah Wood, Cynthia Erivo, Randall Park (37:28) Children’s programming (39:05) Make something, keep going! (41:49) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

Before his debut animated feature GOAT claimed the #1 spot at the box office, director Tyree Dilihay joined IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo for an in-depth conversation about the animated sports film. Tyree breaks down his directing process including building the film’s “Brooklyn meets Brazil” world, designing roarball plays with basketball stars Andre Iguodala and Stephen Curry, and working with an all-star cast that includes Caleb McLaughlin, Gabrielle Union, Jenifer Lewis, and Curry (who makes his voice acting debut in the film and produces through Unanimous Media). Tyree also reflects on growing up in Inglewood, California where he was inspired by filmmakers like Spike Lee and John Singleton, and how his supportive mother helped him pursue a career in animation. SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) Running plays with Andre Igoudala (02:49) Stephen Curry’s voice acting debut (04:22) How GOAT came together (07:12) Worldbuilding “Brooklyn meets Brazil” (10:31) Costume design (12:04) From local Angeleno to seasoned animator (14:22) Spike Lee’s SHE’S GOTTA HAVE IT and John Singleton’s BOYZ N THE HOOD (16:03) How Tyree started his animation journey (19:20) Running plays with Andre Igoudala (full story) (22:20) “Roots run deep!” (25:05) The inspo: SPACE JAM I & II, HOOSIERS, MAJOR LEAGUE, MIGHTY DUCKS, ROCKY, RUDY…and more! (28:48) The cast: Caleb McLaughlin, Gabrielle Union, Jenifer Lewis, Steph Curry (30:54) Creating and directing diss tracks, “GOAT TEARS” (33:31) The seven-year journey to the “right version” (35:44) Collaborating with studio execs to make the best movie (38:08) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

Here comes the THE BRIDE writer/director/producer Maggie Gyllenhaal, who joins SINNERS writer/director/producer and Proximity founder Ryan Coogler, for an exclusive conversation with IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo about her new film THE BRIDE, a wildly original and imaginative take on the Frankenstein story, inspired by the 1935 film THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN and Mary Shelley’s original novel. Maggie and Ryan share their processes for writing and directing, working with actors, shooting on IMAX cameras, and working with family. And, yes, Ryan makes some coffee. Cheers! SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) Christian Bale wants to be yelled at too! (00:32) Here comes the director of THE BRIDE! (02:37) Ryan makes pour-over coffee (05:40) Nighttime inside (08:08) Cheers! (08:57) Exploring the monsters within (09:53) The original films: THE BRIDE OF FRANKESTEIN and FRANKENSTEIN (12:47) Creating Jessie Buckley’s character, the Bride (14:30) Screenwriting is like an hourglass (15:47) Monstrosity vs. Cinematic fantasy (17:14) Jake Gyllenhaal as Ronnie Reed (17:52) How Maggie and Ryan work with actors (22:45) Trippy directorial advice (26:10) Octavia Spencer in FRUITVALE STATION (28:15) Christian Bale wants to be yelled at too! (full story) (31:44) Directing her brother Jake (35:47) IMAX filmmaking (38:18) Sony cameras (40:56) "Wait, you were in THE DARK KNIGHT, though!" (48:00) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Production Sound Mixer: Mark Patino Camera Operator: Josh Ortiz Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Production Coordinator: Joy Woo Production Intern: Ben Caloza Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Barista: George Stevenson

We are sealing the Honmoon with KPOP DEMON HUNTERS directors and co-writers, Maggie Kang and Chris Appelhans! The veteran animation filmmakers break down how Maggie developed the story based on Korean culture and music, how she collaborated with Chris as a directing team, and how they pitched the idea to Netflix and K-pop music producers. They also share stories from behind the scenes of their seven-year production process including the creation of the film’s iconic “popcorn eyes” and how they worked with songwriter and producer EJAE to write the music… with a special surprise voice memo from the woman behind Rumi’s singing voice herself! SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) K-pop meets demon hunters (00:47) Let’s talk K-pop… and demon hunters! (02:04) Fun fan reactions (03:02) Honmoon in the club, the origin of honmoon (06:12) How Maggie’s Korean upbringing in Toronto shaped her storytelling (07:51) K-pop meets demon hunters (the full story) (09:59) How they became a directing team, WISH DRAGON (11:19) How they pitched KPOP DEMON HUNTERS (12:45) The music was the hardest part, how EJAE’s demos made it seem possible (13:20)EJAE, Teddy Park, THEBLACKLABEL, the demo for HOW IT’S DONE (15:23) Comps: “old people” anime, Cowboy Bebop, Sailor Moon, K-dramas, and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (17:10) Comedy, female empowerment, being your “stupidest self” with your friends (18:04) Collaborating on directing and screenwriting (19:53) Writing the script for KPOP DEMON HUNTERS (20:39) Sony Pictures Animation, shout out to the crew (25:00) The joke that became the iconic “popcorn eyes” scene (27:12) Voice Memo from EJAE (Musician, Songwriter, Producer, Singing Voice of Rumi) (29:45) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Sound Recordist: Isabella Miller Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

This February, we’re celebrating the 8th anniversary of the release of BLACK PANTHER! We dug deep into the In Proximity archives to re-release this iconic conversation with BLACK PANTHER director Ryan Coogler and Ta-Nehisi Coates. Ta-Nehisi is a journalist and the bestselling author of books like BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME and THE MESSAGE. He has also written successful comic book runs for CAPTAIN AMERICA and BLACK PANTHER, and hosted the WAKANDA FOREVER podcast back in 2023. On this special re-release episode, we combine the two parts of Ryan and Ta-Nehisi’s original conversation, where they dive deep into their experiences telling T’Challa’s story for BLACK PANTHER, the impact of hip-hop music and art, Ta-Nehisi’s decades-long writing career, and their mutual friendship with the late Chadwick Boseman. CHECK OUT THE ORIGINAL EPISODESRyan Coogler and Ta-Nehisi Coates Episode 1Ryan Coogler and Ta-Nehisi Coates Episode 2WAKANDA FOREVER: THE OFFICIAL BLACK PANTHER PODCAST SHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK (00:00) Celebrating the anniversary of BLACK PANTHER the film (01:51) PART 1: Meet Ryan Coogler and Ta-Nehisi Coates (02:21) Ta-Nehisi’s production company, Maceo-Lyn (06:40) Howard University, meeting Chadwick Boseman (11:18) Hip-hop, poetry, and genres (15:04) Tupac Shakur (18:27) How Ta-Nehisi’s hip-hop aspirations pushed him to writing poetry (21:54) “Art that feels like it’s always been made”, A PROPHET, GET OUT, MOONLIGHT (29:20) PART 2: The beginning of Ta-Nehisi’s writing career (33:24) The 20-year-old journalist (36:45) The Case for Reparations (39:55) Writing the BLACK PANTHER comics (41:58) Toni Morrisson, James Baldwin, BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME (45:31) Takes on T’Challa’s character (49:59) CREED (53:33) Prox Recs IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza, Cedric Wilson Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Production Assistant: Polina Cherezova Associate Producer: Celine Mendiola Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

What does it take to build a successful TV writing career in comedy, procedurals, and drama? Executive producer, showrunner, and author Kimberly Ann Harrison reveals how she landed an internship on FRIENDS, wrote 78 episodes of CRIMINAL MINDS over 12 years, and made the leap to showrunner (DEPUTY, THE CROSSOVER, WASHINGTON BLACK). On this episode of IN PROXIMITY, Kim talks to host Paola Mardo about her transition from comedy to drama, the importance of finding a character's “why”, tips on pitching episodes and applying for writing jobs, lessons on loneliness and leadership, writing her debut novel BEYOND THE PADDOCK, and why her advice for new writers is to keep blinders on and just write. (00:00) Just write! (01:50) Born and raised in LA by teachers - shout out Diamond Bar! (03:30) College, Intro to Broadcasting, Tammy Trujillo, learning about TV (05:28) Interning on FRIENDS (07:15) How to get a job on the “FRIENDS of today” (08:45) Writer tips for the best cover letter ever (09:18) Lessons from the FRIENDS writers room (10:43) CRIMINAL MINDS, transitioning from comedy to drama, mentorship (14:30) Jumping from writers assistant to writer, pitching tips (16:30) It’s all about the “why” of the killer (17:20) Industry advice for writers today: “keep blinders on”, “it just takes one yes” (18:15) Becoming a showrunner (19:48) How lonely showrunning can be, how to lead and manage a team (22:26) Writing a novel: BEYOND THE PADDOCK (28:17) Prox Recs SHOP OUR PROX BOOK RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORG LEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COM WATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFY FOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOK IN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIA Host, Director, Producer: Paola Mardo Executive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian Theme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig Göransson Co-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick Epino Sound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken Nana Editors: Patrick Epino, Ken Nana, Ben Caloza Sound Recordist: Isabella Miller Motion Graphics Designer: Apollo Baldoz Production Assistant: Isabella Miller Post-Production Coordinator: Celine Mendiola Social Media Coordinator: Alexandria Santana Production Intern: Ben Caloza

SINNERS lead actor Michael B. Jordan and writer/director/producer Ryan Coogler break down the Academy Award®-nominated film and their 10+ year collaboration in this exclusive conversation with IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo.Michael dives deep into his acting process for playing dual roles as Smoke and Stack, sharing how he uses character journals, key phrases from archival recordings, and physical details to build his characters. Ryan reveals his screenwriting approach and his never-before-heard timeline mapping the Smokestack Twins’ backstory, including romances with Mary (Hailee Steinfeld) and Annie (Wunmi Mosaku), and their time in Chicago with Al Capone. Ryan also kicks off this very special episode by making lattes, sharing how his love for coffee connects to filmmaking and acts of service for the cast and crew. It's gonna be a real ring-a-ding-ding… so grab a cup of coffee (or Irish beer or Italian wine) and enjoy!WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE(00:00) Smokestack Twins Lore(00:30) Host Paola Mardo intro(04:30) The boss today and Michael’s espresso life(06:00) Ryan makes us coffee: Cannes, George Clooney, set coffee culture, abstract latte art(09:30) Acts of service(12:20) From FRUITVALE STATION to SINNERS(14:35) 1A and 1B on the call sheet, why number 1 on the call sheet means leadership(19:00) Questions Michael asked Ryan after reading the SINNERS script, the surreal juke joint montage, Stack and Mary(23:16) Smokestack Twins Lore(27:12) Stack does Smoke’s hair(28:38) Smoke’s tremors(30:55) Journals as part of Michael’s acting process(32:55) When Smoke and Stack broke up, Ryan’s timeline spreadsheet, Mary, Annie, LORE (!), Chicago, Al Capone(36:30) How much older Smoke feels from Stack(38:00) Are you Smoke or Stack? Delta Slim, Mary, mystery, Ryan’s script to Michael’s acting performance(40:00) “When the actor becomes the expert on the character… the twins are his now… then twins belong to the movie”(40:25) Stack being a liar, Smoke telling the truth(42:00) Mike’s improvised moments, Smoke versus Hogwood(45:23) Preparing for the roles of Smoke and Stack, dialect coach, physicality, different sized shoes, chakra work, childhood trauma(49:30) Key phrases(50:35) “Made in Mississippi" documentary archival recordings (directors: William Ferris, Judy Peiser)(51:51) Drawing from history and real people to bring characters and script to life, Michael’s and Ryan’s family history, sharecroppers, ancestry, Uncle James(53:22) Scene Breakdown: Smoke teaching a young girl to negotiate, “numbers in conversation”(56:11) Smoke as “a fun character to write but it was a really fun character to see Mike play”(58:05) “These are very BAD men”(58:59) Mike is “like a Tom Hanks!”(1:00:30) “He never knifed nobody… that I know of!”(1:04:00) Prox RecsSHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORGLEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COMWATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFYFOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOKIN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIAHost, Director, Producer: Paola MardoExecutive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev OhanianTheme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig GöranssonCo-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick EpinoSound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken NanaEditor: Patrick EpinoProduction Sound Mixer: Mark PatinoCamera Operator: Josh OrtizAssociate Producer: Celine MendiolaProduction Coordinator: Joy WooProduction Assistant: Devin SaddlerProduction Intern: Ben CalozaSocial Media Coordinator: Alexandria SantanaMotion Graphics Designer: Apollo BaldozBarista: George Stevenson

Essential filmmaking advice from industry pros: writer/director Justin Tipping breaks down the Tagalog needle drop in the Jordan Peele-produced sports horror film HIM and how Busta Rhymes' "Gimmie Some More" and Alfred Hitchcock's PSYCHO inspired the score (featuring "AIGHT?" by Carl Angelo and music by composer Bobby Krlic); EYES OF WAKANDA creator/director Todd Harris explains why directors should touch multiple departments; and SUPERGIRL actor, writer, and producer Azie Tesfai reveals how a bad audition made her better.Learn more and read the transcript at ProximityMedia.comShop our Prox Recs at Bookshop.orgWatch/Listen to IN PROXIMITY on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, SpotifyFollow Proximity Media on Instagram, TikTok, ProximityMedia.comIN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIAHost, Director, Producer: Paola MardoExecutive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev OhanianTheme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig GöranssonCo-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick EpinoSound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken NanaEditors: Patrick Epino, Brittani Brown, Ken Nana, A.J. Calomay, Andrea WalterMotion Graphics Designer: Apollo BaldozProduction Assistants: Isabella Miller, Devin SaddlerSound Production Assistant: Isabella MillerPost-Production Coordinator: Celine MendiolaSocial Media Coordinator: Alexandria SantanaProduction Intern: Jun Sawada, Ben Caloza

Mike Carson is a multidisciplinary creative director and designer. Last year, he co-creative directed and production designed Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl LIX Halftime Show, which drew over 133 million live viewers, making it the most-watched halftime performance ever and one of 2025’s biggest cultural moments.On this episode, Mike talks to IN PROXIMITY host Paola Mardo about his journey from filming music videos at 19 with Big Sean (including the iconic millennial bop “Dance (A$$)” Remix featuring Nicki Minaj) and working alongside mentor Virgil Abloh, to becoming one of the most sought-after creative directors today. He also shares his creative process behind the Super Bowl Halftime Show, filming a documentary on Kanye West and Jay-Z on their 2011 Watch the Throne tour, his approach to production design for live experiences, why his laptop is essential to every project, and the art and business of the music video.WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE(00:00) The 12-minute music video(02:00) Director first, designer second(03:00) Creative directing and production designing Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl Halftime Show(08:30) The process of creative directing(10:13) How the LA fires impacted rehearsal; shout out choreographer Charm La'Donna(13:05) How being multidisciplinary helps his work(13:37) Working with Virgil Abloh(17:30) What he learned from Virgil(18:30) Filming Kanye West and Jay-Z on the Watch the Throne(19:54) Voice Memo from the “muse” Big Sean(25:19) Directing music videos(27:12) First big budget video, Big Sean’s “Dance (A$$)” Remix ft. Nicki Minaj(29:40) Bringing back the delusion, childlike curiosity – just create!(31:15) Mike’s design process(36:28) Prox RecsSHOP OUR PROX BOOKS RECS ON BOOKSHOP.ORGLEARN MORE AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT AT PROXIMITYMEDIA.COMWATCH/LISTEN TO IN PROXIMITYYOUTUBEAPPLE PODCASTSSPOTIFYFOLLOW PROXIMITY MEDIAINSTAGRAMTIKTOKIN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIAHost, Director, Producer: Paola MardoExecutive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev OhanianTheme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig GöranssonCo-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick EpinoSound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken NanaEditors: Patrick Epino, Brittani Brown, Ken Nana, Ben CalozaSound Recordist: Isabella MillerMotion Graphics Designer: Apollo BaldozProduction Assistant: Isabella MillerPost-Production Coordinator: Celine MendiolaSocial Media Coordinator: Alexandria SantanaProduction Intern: Ben Caloza

Kick off the new year with advice from industry pros: manager James Swoope on why you need “something to manage” before getting representation, actor/writer/producer Azie Tesfai on asking for what you want and crowning yourself, and designer Jeff Staple on balancing art with business. Part of our special "Prox Gems" holiday mini episodes.Learn more and read the transcript at ProximityMedia.comShop our Prox Recs at Bookshop.orgWatch/Listen to IN PROXIMITY on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, SpotifyFollow Proximity Media on Instagram, TikTok, ProximityMedia.comIN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIAHost, Director, Producer: Paola MardoExecutive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev OhanianTheme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig GöranssonCo-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick EpinoSound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken NanaEditors: Patrick Epino, Brittani Brown, Ken Nana, A.J. Calomay, Andrea WalterMotion Graphics Designer: Apollo BaldozProduction Assistants: Isabella Miller, Devin SaddlerSound Production Assistant: Isabella MillerPost-Production Coordinator: Celine MendiolaSocial Media Coordinator: Alexandria SantanaProduction Intern: Jun Sawada, Ben Caloza

Highlights from this season’s SINNERS episodes including: cultural consultant Dolly Li on Remmick’s infamous “licking” line, script supervisor Steve Gehrke on tracking continuity with Michael B. Jordan’s Smokestack Twins, and storyboard artist and EYES OF WAKANDA creator/director Todd Harris on storyboarding the surreal juke joint musical montage scene. Part of our special "Prox Gems" holiday mini episodes.Learn more and read the transcript at ProximityMedia.comShop our Prox Recs at Bookshop.orgWatch/Listen to IN PROXIMITY on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, SpotifyFollow Proximity Media on Instagram, TikTok, ProximityMedia.comIN PROXIMITY IS A PRODUCTION OF PROXIMITY MEDIAHost, Director, Producer: Paola MardoExecutive Producers: Ryan Coogler, Zinzi Coogler, Sev OhanianTheme Song and Additional Music: Ludwig GöranssonCo-Director and Director of Photography: Patrick EpinoSound Designer and Mix Engineer: Ken NanaEditors: Patrick Epino, Brittani Brown, Ken Nana, A.J. Calomay, Ben CalozaMotion Graphics Designer: Apollo BaldozProduction Assistants: Isabella Miller, Devin SaddlerSound Production Assistant: Isabella MillerPost-Production Coordinator: Celine MendiolaSocial Media Coordinator: Alexandria SantanaProduction Intern: Jun Sawada, Ben Caloza