In Defense of Fandom

Welcome to the series finale of Supernatural Music Extravaganza! In this episode, the Denim Wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom crews tackle the eternal question: "Why does my Supernatural sound different on {insert name of streaming platform}?!" Spoiler alert: blame capitalism! The hosts explain the wild world of music licensing, from the show's early "oops, we only bought DVD rights" days to the later "give us your songs FOREVER" era. Turns out those iconic needle drops cost serious upfront cash, which is why Season 1 Dean might be rocking out to "Generic Rock Song #4" instead of AC/DC. RIP original soundtrack, we hardly knew ye (unless you own the DVD). Featuring insights from Jensen Ackles on budget woes, a deep dive into why physical media matters, and heartfelt tributes to favorite Supernatural needle drops—from "Heat of the Moment" torture to Bob Seger brotherhood feels. Plus: important intel on where to snag those Radio Company vinyls before they're gone again. The moral of the story? Buy the Blu-rays. Buy the CDs. Stream responsibly. Go to the shows. And never trust a tinkerbell. Click here to learn more about music supervision and Alexandra Patsavas. Catchup on Supernatural Music Extravaganza episodes, shop, and find playlists at linktr.ee/SPN20. Thank you for taking this SPN Family musical journey with us! Please continue to follow Denim-wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom. Next up, Berly and LA will discuss the lore, the gore, and what they adore about Supernatural, season 9, while Sadie takes a comprehensive look at fandom conventions. We hope to see you in 2026! Special thanks to Steve Hein, producer of the hit podcast, Supernatural Then and Now, for permission to include part of their conversation with Phil Sgriccia. Find their full discussion at podcasts.apple.com/ec/podcast/bloody-mary-featuring-producer-director-phil-sgriccia/id1605385289?i=1000551011238. Special thanks to our "favorite needle drop" contributors: Kera Styler, Nessa Colt, Lauren from Hops Geek News, Lynn from SPN 'Verse, Jordan, Liz, Iggy, Nerdy Tavern, and Waleed from the Wally Verse. Special thanks to our music contributors: Richard Cummins (richardcummins.bandcamp.com/music), Gil McKinney (music.apple.com/us/artist/gil-mckinney/315769280), The Station Breaks (music.apple.com/us/artist/the-station-breaks/1181728798), Briana Buckmaster and Billy Moran (music.apple.com/us/album/carry-on-wayward-son-single/1487727442). THANK YOU FOR LISTENING! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to another installment of the Denim-wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom collaboration, Supernatural Music Extravaganza! What happens when two powerhouse voices (who spent years thinking they weren't good enough) finally find their people? Pure magic, that's what. Briana Buckmaster and Lisa Berry take us back to a fateful train ride from a Stage West audition where they bonded over being told their alto, bluesy, rock voices didn't fit the "belt to an E, ingenue" sound that musical theater demanded. Spoiler: the industry was wrong, and Saturday Night Special proved it. From Bri's traumatic vocal node saga (thanks, restaurant work and Beauty and the Beast) to Lisa spending a decade not singing at all before landing Death on Supernatural, these two get real about vocal insecurity, jet lag voice loss, and why Jason Manns is everyone's musical fairy godfather. There's the story of how Phil Sgriccia turned Lisa's trailer recording of "O Death" into the iconic season 11 trailer, why steroid shots are a musical theater thing (opera singers just cancel, apparently), and how Lisa manifested becoming Death through sheer fan theory energy. Plus: why Louden Swain won't let Bri sing "Stairway to Heaven," the revelation that maybe everyone's faking it, and Lisa's dream of re-recording "O Death" now that she can actually fly in the song. Fair warning: you'll laugh, you might cry, and you'll definitely want to attend Lisa's future Toronto concert. Special thanks to Bri for allowing us to feature some of her music. Find tracks at https://music.apple.com/us/artist/briana-buckmaster/1399938992. Don't forget to check out these playlists of the full songs featured in our episodes so far! Apple Music YouTube Music Spotify And don’t worry, we’ll keep adding to the tunes as we continue our journey into the music of Supernatural! Catch-up on Supernatural Music Extravaganza episodes at https://linktr.ee/SPN20 Please rate and review In Defense of Fandom wherever you get your podcasts! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our collaboration special between Denim-wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom continues with hosts Sadie, LA, and Berly exploring the world of Supernatural-inspired music—because apparently, watching two gorgeous brothers hunt monsters for 15 seasons wasn't enough. Opening its doors in 2018, Family Business Beer Company was a Texas hill country retreat where visitors could drink craft brews, enjoy tasty pizza, and see local live music. Although the brewery’s physical location has since closed, its legacy lives on through the musicians who performed there. Night Parade, a classic rock and pop music cover band, describe their experiences performing at Family Business Beer Company. Not all the band members were originally fans of the show, but they absolutely appreciated how the brewery connected with the Austin live music scene while keeping it chill. 🔗http://nightparademusic.com/ The Scott Sisters, Charise and Christian are an acoustic sibling duo from Mississippi. Although they were raised in a musically-talented household, it wasn’t until the covid pandemic that Chistian followed her sister to Texas and they began singing together on stage. They take us through the whirlwind experience from performing at the brewery’s annual private party to singing back up for Steve Carlson to performing at Saturday Night Special in Oklahoma City! 🔗https://tr.ee/Ruf1df 🍻If you want to support Family Business Beer Company, you can find their beer across Texas or shop their merch here. As we are just past the midpoint of our musical Supernatural journey, please check out these playlists of songs featured in our episodes so far! Apple Music YouTube Music Spotify And don’t worry, we’ll keep adding to the tunes as we continue our journey into the music of Supernatural! Catchup on Supernatural Music Extravaganza episodes at https://linktr.ee/SPN20 THANK YOU FOR LISTENING! Please rate and review In Defense of Fandom wherever you get your podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever wonder what happens when a TV show's crew forms a band? We got answers from two members of The Impalas - Supernatural's incredibly talented crew band that rocked wrap parties and even appeared as the Roadhouse band in an actual episode. Jim Michaels (Producer) reveals that crew bands are a TV tradition, explains The Impalas' "full-time crew members only" rule, and shares how their drummer was SO good that recording studios started hiring him. Also confirmed: Jensen Ackles is annoyingly talented at everything. Brad Creasser (Camera Operator/Saxophonist) played with the band despite being "terrified" of performing. He recalls the Hunker Down Festival where Vancouver crews battled with their bands, and the magical moment filming Rob Benedict's "Fare Thee Well." PLUS: Ben Edlund on writing the Ghost Facers theme, his recorder orchestra trauma, and his own band Ghost Tyger & Friends (where he's definitely NOT being possessed by a pro-cannibalism interdimensional tiger who wants you to recycle grandma into furniture). Highlights: The physics-defying Kansas Comic-Con surprise, why "Renegade" is the perfect needle drop, Jensen's musical beginnings, and a passionate defense of paying for real music instead of cheap sound-alikes. Warning: Contains references to eating the dead and bismuth discussions. Special thanks to Ghost Tyger & Friends for allowing us to feature some of their music. Find tracks and more at https://bit.ly/4ixhyjN. Catchup on Supernatural Music Extravaganza episodes at https://linktr.ee/SPN20 Follow In Defense of Fandom (if you're not already) and turn on notifications for new episodes. Find and follow Denim-wrapped Nightmares at https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/2076426. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to episode two of the Denim Wrapped Nightmares and In Defensive Fandom crossover! This episode dives deep into the sonic soul of Supernatural—from the classic rock that made us fall in love with the show to the music keeping the fandom alive today. Billy Moran - Guitarist for Louden Swain, Billy was actually a Supernatural fan BEFORE he joined Rob Benedict's band. Discover how a Flash website with a virtual car radio led him to the show, why he had to learn 70 classic rock songs (spoiler: he didn't), and the origin story of the mysteriously named "Elastic Waistband" (RIP to those wigs). Billy shares tales from the road, explains why the tour van's worst seat is forever known as "the butthole," and reveals which Louden Swain song was directly inspired by a disastrous snowy Atlanta tour. Chris Schmelke - Creation Entertainment's official photographer and the maestro behind those perfectly curated photo op playlists. Chris explains why music is absolutely critical to creating magic in the photo room, how he DJs on the fly while shooting, and why certain songs are permanently banned (looking at you, "Africa" by Toto—sorry Jen!). Plus, learn about his own rock band origins and why he kisses Rob Benedict on the cheek every time he joins Louden Swain on stage. Key Moments The exact moment Billy discovered Supernatural (hint: it involved an interactive website) Why Mark Sheppard told them to ditch the Elastic Waistband persona Chris's philosophy: treat photo ops like experiences, not cattle calls Why the Saturday Night Special is really about celebrating that Rob Benedict is still here Grab your flannel, crank up the classic rock, and join us for a conversation about how music became the beating heart of the Supernatural fandom—both on screen and off. Special thanks to Billy for allowing us to feature some of his music. Find tracks and more at https://www.billymoran.com/. A Denim Wrapped Nightmares and In Defensive Fandom podcast crossover Follow Denim-wrapped Nightmares for our next episode: https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sadie, along with Denim-wrapped Nightmare's Berly and LA, kick off their massive 10-episode collaboration celebrating the 20th anniversary of Supernatural by diving into the show's iconic musical legacy. And yes, they interviewed over 20 people for this series because apparently they're all insane. The episode opens with a power move: Sadie asking Jared and Jensen about Supernatural's music at a convention panel (using Berly's name callout because Berly is a good friend who understands true J2 fandom priorities). From there, the hosts explore why music became so fundamental to the show's DNA—including Eric Kripke almost quitting over the network wanting to ditch classic rock for "current, exciting, young music." They discuss fan-favorite needle drops, with Death's entrance to "O Death" taking the crown as most mentioned, followed by the "Renegade" escape in "Night Shifter" and "Rooster" in "Folsom Prison Blues." There's also a moment of silence for all the needle drops lost to streaming music licensing (RIP "Don't Fear the Reaper" in the Faith episode). The hosts break down the convention music experience—Saturday Night Specials, Louden Swain as the house band, Jason Manns, and the revelation that there's literally music everywhere at these things. LA admits she had no idea conventions even had concerts before attending her first one. Important PSA: This series features interviews with composers Chris Lennertz and Jay Gruska, musicians inspired by the show, and approximately everyone talented in the Supernatural universe (who was willing to meet with us). Subscribe to both podcasts to hear all the interviews, because yes, you have to follow both feeds. It's free though, so they're really not that evil about it. The series drops November 11th and runs through the end of the year! Special thanks to Steve Hein, producer of the hit podcast, Supernatural Then and Now, for permission to include the conversation with Eric Kripke. Find their full discussion at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spotlight-on-eric-kripke/id1605385289?i=1000646839769 Find and follow Denim-wrapped Nightmares at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2076426. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A Mixtape 20 years in the making In a multi-part Supernatural 20th anniversary special, we’re collaborating with Denim-Wrapped Nightmares to explore music that made the show, music inspired by the show, and music from the show's cast, writers, and crew. We interviewed musicians, crew, and cast members to hear directly from them how important music was (and is!) to the SPN family. Make sure you subscribe to both feeds to not miss an episode, starting this November! Subscribe to Denim-Wrapped Nightmares: https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/ Follow our socials for more info: https://www.facebook.com/dwnpod https://www.instagram.com/sadie_wit/ https://www.instagram.com/dwnpod/ https://bsky.app/profile/sadiewit.bsky.social https://twitter.com/DWNpodcast https://x.com/SadieWit https://www.patreon.com/DWNpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's another bonus episode while I work on the next season! A conversation with writer of television, animation, comics, and audio: Meghan Fitzmartin. And for my fellow SPN family out there, you will recognize her name as first a writers assistant for Supernatural to a staffed writer in the final season, penning the episodes Piece of Mind and Drag Me Away (From You). More on Meghan and her upcoming comic, Mary Sue: https://www.boom-studios.com/archives/first-look-mary-sue-1/ https://bleedingcool.com/comics/scoop-mary-sue-a-new-comic-by-meghan-fitzmartin-from-boom-studios/ https://www.meghanfitzmartin.com/ Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This conversation with fellow Geekscapists is a post-San Diego Comic Con(versation) covering press passes to running activation booths to attending as a panelist! Check out the other Geekscape Podcasts & Projects: Jonathan London: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/geekscapeforever/hero-of-the-prophecy-1-a-pro-wrestling-comedic-fantasy Christian Bladt: https://www.weirdalgorithmpodcast.com/ Tessa Markle: https://www.femmeregard.com/ Katie Hampton: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marvel-movie-talk/id1699318146, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/napping-through-happy-hour/id1628046345, https://www.chicagobacon.com/internet-supreme-court Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While I’m still working on creating both a special collaboration mini series and mapping out season 4, I wanted to provide you listeners with a special treat! This episode is an interview with Supernatural's production designer, producer, and occasional director: Jerry Wanek! We talk about his experience working on Supernatural, how the show reflected timeless styles from the iconic motel rooms to the art deco Bunker, and how he relates to the fandom. Oh, and we even go on a little tangent about famed Texas author Larry McMurtry! Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With season 3 wrapped, we wanted to see what lingering questions you have about parasocial relationships. Editor Anna Funk joins Sadie on the mic to answer some listener questions and reflect on the season as a whole. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this final installment of the season, we wrap up final thoughts on the state of celebrity worship, fame, and parasociality. We’ll also hear a bit more about the positive things that we can get out of parasocial relationships, some of the risks to watch out for, and discuss the future of parasociality. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com To submit your questions or comments for the bonus episode, send your message to [email protected] Resources from this episode: https://time.com/6294226/parasocial-relationships-benefits/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/parasocial-relationships https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sixteenth-minute-of-fame/id1743960803 https://www.404media.co/mage-space-new-restrictions-non-consensual-porn-celebrities/ https://www.404media.co/character-ai-chatbot-changes-filters-roleplay/ https://www.404media.co/ai-therapy-bots-meta-character-ai-ftc-complaint/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve talked about parasocial relationships as a one-way street, but can that ever change? Is there a way for a parasocial bond to become just a regular friendship? What would that even look like? Hear examples of how parasocial relationships became something more reciprocal, and learn whether that’s likely to be a rare event or something more commonplace. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Resources from this episode: https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/ https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/mark-sheppard-wife-sarah-louise-151720015.html https://people.com/how-did-taylor-swift-and-travis-kelce-meet-8405807 To submit your questions or comments, send your message to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Has the internet made us all worse at relationships, including the parasocial ones? We’ll talk about the celebrity attitude scale, which measures how intensely an audience member feels about a celebrity, how the internet has changed our media diets, and how online relationships are a blessing and a curse. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Resources from this episode: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20160106-how-sherlock-holmes-changed-the-world https://defector.com/chapell-roan-fan-privacy-drama?utm_source=mckinneykelsey&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-terror-of-the-mirror-a-2024-review https://www.tiktok.com/@chappellroan/video/7404957266853645611?lang=en https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ft04928-000 http://www.jssshonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/JSSSH_Vol.7_No.1_2021_66-75_Sr.-No.7.pdf https://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/g22118748/best-celebrity-liquors/ https://al-kindipublisher.com/index.php/jhsss/article/view/279 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgNPGH1rXI https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/gal-gadot-s-imagine-instagram-video-was-peak-cringe-year-ncna1261685 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jan/05/gal-gadot-imagine-video Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s it like to be in-between a celebrity and their fans? What’s it like to have a real relationship with a famous person—and have fans think you might be an access point to that person? Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Resources from this episode: Listen to Normal Gossip: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/normal-gossip/id1597761181 Read 'You didn't hear this from me': https://bookshop.org/p/books/you-didn-t-hear-this-from-me-mostly-true-notes-on-gossip-kelsey-mckinney/21441330 See Bert's "showgirl" costumed look: https://www.instagram.com/resortsworldlv/p/C8pYKvHP667/ Chicago Music Exchange: https://www.instagram.com/chicagomusicexchange/ Jennifer's gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/jp-jennifer-may-nickel-eaton-fire-relief-fund Ackles' dog, Icarus: https://www.instagram.com/danneelackles512/p/B-hx9mzgYBC/?img_index=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm so sorry for the delay, but I promise you will have a brand-spanking-new episode in your feed in 2 weeks. In the meantime, support NPR/PBS! Support local journalism! And find ways to give back to your community around you, because this is the only way we're going to make it through. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Explore how parasocial relationships may, or may not, differ across mediums. I speak with creators in music, podcasting, youtube, and musical threater spaces to hear how each of their experiences are different and yet so similar! Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Resources from this episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://reggieslive.com/band/august-hotel/ https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/western-kabuki/id1647062210 https://www.alimattu.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when our minds fixate on an actor or band member or podcaster and we start to see things that aren’t there? When a fan feels so much closer to their idolized famous person than they really are? AKA, What’s the deal with parasocial relationships? Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A HUGE thank you to Marie for letting me rebroadcast this lovely conversation with her from March 2024. If you aren't already, you should subscribe to Carrying Wayward for all their excellent episodes: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/carrying-wayward-a-supernatural-podcast/id1541257824 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Don't forget to send me your fan questions! You can reach out via twitter (@SadieWit), instagram (@Sadie_Wit) or my website form (sadiewit.com) Link to Jonathan's Kickstarter: www.herooftheprophecy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I catch up with costume designer Jennifer May Nickel regarding the aftermath of the Eaton fire in LA. Jennifer & JP’s gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/jp-jennifer-may-nickel-eaton-fire-relief-fund?modal=donations&tab=all RA recovery fund: https://give.randomacts.org/campaign/random-acts-natural-disaster-recovery-fund/c656615 Geekscape podcaster’s gofundme: bit.ly/DustinErin Creation Entertainment’s employee, Leticia, gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-leticia-serafin-rebuild-after-eaton-fire Other links of interest: Variety story about Jennifer’s experience: https://variety.com/2025/biz/news/the-ark-writer-john-paul-nickel-gotham-knights-costume-designer-jennifer-nickel-la-fires-1236274591/ Jennifer’s original In Defense of Fandom podcast interview: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bonus-4-the-costumes-of-gotham-knights/id1674695211?i=1000633178023 Story on Supernatural’s creator, Eric Kripke, also lost his home in the fires: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/the-boys-creator-eric-kripke-shares-devastating-photo-after-home-burned-in-la-fires/ LA Strong Volunteer Donation Fund: https://lacity.gov/LAstrong Geekscape Specific: http://www.geekscapegives.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What started as a random question on Bluesky turned into a whole conversation about fandom conventions (and why I seem to go to so many of them). Thank you Shae for agreeing to jump online with me to chat over the winter holidays so that I could answer your question in far more depth than you were expecting. Remember if you have a fan question of your own, you can reach me on insta, X, bluesky, or my website! Curious to learn more about conventions? Here's some interesting links: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/stars-getting-rich-fan-conventions-933062/ https://alihazelwood.com/ https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-terror-amc-camp-fandom https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/if-thanos-actually-wiped-out-half-all-life-how-would-earth-fare-aftermath-180972005/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Interstellar Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we answer Anna’s query! Solution 1: Fifty Shades of Grey is an example of fanfiction that became published as a standalone series. Serialization & Fifty Shades of Grey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzk9N7dJBec Solution 2: Some writers start in fanfiction, but have to leave that world behind so that it doesn’t influence their own, cannon writing (and accidentally steal ideas) How Tamsyn Muir* had to leave the fanfic community behind to avoid being influenced by the fic about HER story: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/811/the-one-place-i-cant-go/act-three-6 *Apologies, I crediting Nerdette for this one but it was actually This American Life Solution 3: Melissa Good was a fanfic writer who ended up writing a few episodes of Xena Interview with Melissa Good about going from a fanfic writer, to a show writer: https://www.ausxip.com/interviews/mgood.html The reddit thread of more examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/st2lsf/has_any_fanfiction_writers_ever_became/?rdt=62907 Solution 4: And we SHOULD have more fanfic writers writing for TV! Fansplaining, Episode 17: on understanding how shows get made in Hollywood: https://www.fansplaining.com/episodes/17-the-powers-that-be Thanks to Fansplaining’s Elizabeth & Flourish for letting me sample just a tiny bit of their fascinating conversation! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to our experiment! Podcast editor Dr. Anna Funk steps up to the mic to ask a question that's been bubbling in the back of her mind. Listen next week for the reveal of the answer! And do you have a fandom question? Send it out way! Either through twitter DMs (@SadieWit), instagram (@Sadie_Wit), or via the webform at https://www.sadiewit.com/contact-1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Alright, let's wrap up everything we've learned on endings: from the fan experience to the changes in how TV is made. And of course, we'll try to answer the question of whether we think Supernatural will ever be back for a season 16th. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Mark Hampton: NA Rob Benedict: @RobBenedict Jeffery Bell: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068272/ Craig Titely: @CraigTitley741 Ben Edlund: @ben_edlund Richard Speight Jr: @dicksp8jr Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Can Hollywood sequel its way to box office success? AO3 collection of how Chuck won theories Will Supernatural get a 16th season?! Also, apologies for the potato-sound quality from my end. A confluence of covid + mic issues = my final audio quality. I promise next season will sound better! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Howdy Y'all! I hope to see some of you at the Austin, Texas Supernatural convention this weekend. Please don't feel shy, come say hi to me. I'll have stickers! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nothing ever really dies in the land of Hollywood! Reboots, revivals, and resurrections are all possible returns of fan favorite shows. Not that fans always want more of the story... Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Kevin Grazier: @kevingrazier Matt Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saintmort/ Gabe Garza: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4509179/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6 Paul Booth: @pbooth81 Elizabeth Minkel: @elizabethminkel Rebecca Williams: @augustaquarius Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Richard Hatch's support of new BSG: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-hc-richard-hatch-battlestar-20090105-story.html Twin Peaks return: https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/11/twin-peaks-the-return-review Twin Peaks revival review: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/twin-peaks-2017-review-1005878/ Fan euthanasia: https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt22h6qtt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Spring of 2020 was a rough time for basically every industry, and television was no different. COVID-19 restrictions changed the way that television was made and what could be possible; unfortunately, this was at the perfect moment to completely alter the ending of Supernatural. 9:55 and onward contains spoilers for the last 3 episodes of Supernatural, so beware! Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Rob Benedict: @RobBenedict Richard Speight Jr: @dicksp8jr Georgia Carroll: @fansumption Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Filming supernatural during covid: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/how-supernatural-filmed-during-covid-19-1234772638/ How covid changed the planned ending: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/11/supernatural-finale-recap-covid-destiel-deans-death-castiel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Look, this is the episode we all knew I was going to do. I can't talk about endings without talking about the different perspectives on Supernatural's finale. Lynn Zubernis joins me for a conversation on the last season, the last episodes, and how different fans interpreted the ending vastly differently from each other. Spoiler Warnings! Want to avoid all spoilers? Use these timestamps to skip them completely: Well... in this conversation you wont be able to. Lynn and I discuss multiple aspects of the Supernatural finale, from the general arc of the season to specifics in the last three episodes. If you don't want to be spoiled, you'll have to skip this one. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to Lynn Zubernis for speaking with me on this episode! (@fangasmSPN) Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Find Lynn's writing here: https://fangasmthebook.com/ Book on how fangirls created the internet: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374539184/everythingineedigetfromyou Research on the narratives we tell ourselves about our lives: https://www.amazon.com/Redemptive-Self-Stories-Americans-Live/dp/0195176936 Hannah Gadsby's Nannette: https://www.netflix.com/title/80233611 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Not all shows end. Or, at least they don't conform to what we tend to think of as an ending. This episode is an exploration of three short vignettes. Oh! And no need to worry about a spoiler during this episode! Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Mark Hampton: Maggie O'Connor: @maggie.in.the.middle Katie Hampton: @ElSassyPants Rebecca Williams: @augustaquarius Paul Booth: @pbooth81 Elizabeth Minkel: @elizabethminkel Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: popularity of reality tv: https://civicscience.com/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-people-who-watch-reality-tv/ How many hours of Star Wars: https://financebuzz.com/star-wars-content-disney-plus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I’m taking a short break to get caught up on writing the scripts for the second half of the season. But, I didn’t want to leave your podcast playlist empty, so I decided to share this conversation I had back in early May with writer, cartoonist, and TV director Ben Edlund! Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Vonnegut's lecture on the shapes of stories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP3c1h8v2ZQ The Tick (on Amazon Prime): https://www.amazon.com/The-Tick-Season-1/dp/B0875MW6FN Psychological research on familiarity and belief of "truthiness": https://www.propwatch.org/article.php?id=265 Fan reactions to Firefly & Serenity: https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/when-fox-canceled-firefly-it-ignited-an-2628890.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TV creators face the unique challenge of not knowing how long a particular show will last. Knowing if you’ll have 13 episodes or 13 seasons can radically alter how they’re able to approach the end, but it's a rarity to know when a show has reached the end of the road. *NOTE: Steph Dizon is no longer employed with Creation Entertainment* Spoiler Warnings! Want to avoid all spoilers? Use these timestamps to skip them completely: ALF: 6:07-7:07 The Flash: 17:33-20:52 The Avengers: 23:05-23:44 Agents of Shield: 23:05-26:26 Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Mike Fisher: @fishstandsup Steph Dizon, Creation Entertainment: @CreationEnt Rob Benedict: @RobBenedict Jeff Hersh: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3354593/ Craig Titley: @CraigTitley741 Jeffery Bell: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068272/ Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Video of Jared, Jensen, & Misha announcing the end: https://youtu.be/YVVFZQymnq4?si=8iReLZpIGEZqZnek The ending of ALF, explained: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/alf-nbc-alien-comedy-ending-explained Threshold TV show’s premature end: http://www.bullz-eye.com/television/interviews/2009/david_goyer.htm Why Firefly was canceled: https://www.cinemablend.com/television/why-did-firefly-get-cancelled-what-happened-to-the-sci-fi-series How to watch the Arrowverse crossover events: https://www.themarysue.com/heres-a-detailed-guide-to-watching-the-arrowverse-crossovers-in-order/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Does it matter if the show is more episodic vs narrative for how the ending is perceived by the fandom? How much does a show have to set up in earlier seasons to earn its payoff at the end? Let’s talk about TJLC, or The JohnLock Conspiracy in BBC’s Sherlock fandom, and the Chekov’s gun that was the premise for How I Met Your Mother. Spoiler Warnings! Want to avoid all spoilers? Use these timestamps to skip them completely: How I met your mother: 8:51-11:50 Sherlock: 17:25-19:07 **CLARIFICATION** First, in the previous episode I said that Banana Fish has the highest percentage of works tagged fix it. Although Toast did their best to pull a representative sample, we still can’t say Banana Fish is definitively the top show in this metric. There could well be other fandoms with even higher percentage, but that weren’t captured in that review. Second, I misspoke and implied that tag wranglers on AO3 add tags to works. That’s not accurate. Wranglers organize tags and sometimes create metatags that can be used to search or filter for subtags, but it’s only authors who can add tags to their own works. Sorry for the confusion! *** Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Mike Fisher: @fishstandsup Casey Mendoza: @CaseyMdoza Matt Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saintmort/ Elizabeth Minkel: @elizabethminkel Georgia Carroll: @fansumption Rob Benedict: @RobBenedict Richard Speight Jr: @dicksp8jr Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: The Guardian, on the end of Sherlock: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jan/16/sherlock-finale-smallest-audience-bbc-benedict-cumberbatch-martin-freeman Vox, on the end of Sherlock: https://www.vox.com/2017/1/16/14279588/sherlock-finale-final-problem-review Screenrant, on the end of Sherlock: https://screenrant.com/sherlock-season-finale-cliffhanger-ending-problem/ Fanlore’s entry on TJLC: https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Johnlock_Conspiracy Rob’s line read of “Welcome to the end” (S14E23) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q4atKVpNOg Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

**CLARIFICATION** First, in this episode I said that Banana Fish has the highest percentage of works tagged fix it. Although Toast did their best to pull a representative sample, we still can’t say Banana Fish is definitively the top show in this metric. There could well be other fandoms with even higher percentage, but that weren’t captured in that review. Second, I misspoke and implied that tag wranglers on AO3 add tags to works. That’s not accurate. Wranglers organize tags and sometimes create metatags that can be used to search or filter for subtags, but it’s only authors who can add tags to their own works. Sorry for the confusion! Thanks to my background as a scientist, I’m always trying to answer questions with data. And wouldn’t you know it? Destination Toast was happy to answer the call! In this episode, we look into fanfiction on AO3 and see which tv fandoms are still trying to rewrite (or right?) the ending of their favorite shows. Spoiler Warnings! Want to avoid all spoilers? Use these timestamps to skip them completely: Banana Fish: 10:02-10:28 TV fandom fix-its analysis, by Destination Toast: archiveofourown.org/works/54262792 Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Toast’s Graphs: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wZbzYs7XpizYHXCKWt4Ntz2RYfVi-wvZ9dkV7fOLvd0/edit#slide=id.g2cb2539deb7_0_214 Toast’s deep dive into Supernatural: https://archiveofourown.org/works/54262792/chapters/140386390#main where Toast blogs about fandom data and many other things: destinationtoast.tumblr.com Just fandom data: toastystats.tumblr.com Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Destination Toast: https://toastystats.tumblr.com/ Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I have a little theory about TV endings. Good endings are fondly remembered, bad endings kill fandoms, and divisive endings make them stick around forever (to argue!). So, am I actually right? Let’s find out… Spoiler Warnings! Want to avoid all spoilers? Use these timestamps to skip them completely: Avatar the Last Airbender: 7:37-8:30 Dexter: 11:16-11:40 Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Casey Mendoza: @CaseyMdoza Elizabeth Minkel: @elizabethminkel Rebecca Williams: @augustaquarius Jeff Hersh: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3354593/ Rob Benedict: @RobBenedict Paul Booth: @pbooth81 Richard Speight Jr: @dicksp8jr And thanks to Cassie, Erin, Taylor, Kelsey, Francisco, and Marissa for voicing some of the comments from my survey! Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: My FMA fanfic (I’m both embarrassed and proud of middle school me): https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3627739/1/Escape-from-Auschwitz Statistics on GoT: https://www.statista.com/statistics/993970/united-states-engagement-game-of-thrones-by-generation/ Fansplaining podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fansplaining/id1024216991 As always, transcripts of the episodes are available at my personal website: https://www.sadiewit.com/in-defense-of-fandom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

New season, new topic! This season, we’re talking about how television shows bring their stories to a close, and how that affects the fandom. We’ll talk about great endings and terrible endings. Shows that got to go out on their own terms and shows that were canceled, only to later be revived in a new format. And of course, there will be discussion about the ending of Supernatural. A LOT of discussion. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Have thoughts on TV endings? I want to hear them! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuaL485NpQ3iqinVjq7GUAoId0gPqKU26LpQCntngiGhVHgQ/viewform Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Lynn Zubernis: @FangasmSPN Richard Speight Jr: @dicksp8jr Paul Booth: @pbooth81 Elizabeth Minkel: @elizabethminkel Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Sound Effect from Pixabay Additional Links of Interest: Lynn’s article about fans grieving: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-fandom/202105/how-fans-cope-when-their-fan-favorites-come-end Sarah Z’s video on the end of Supernatural: https://youtu.be/M0QhgQ-g4C0?si=NfLR5hrStlzuJ0e0 Fansplaining podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fansplaining/id1024216991 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I was so excited to meet Gabe at San Diego Comic Con last summer! He graciously agreed to an interview for this little podcast, all about his experiences writing for The Winchesters. Tell me your thoughts on shows ending: https://forms.gle/d2KGqChpietazZh29 Definitely stick around to the end where he answers some fan questions that I collected! Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to Gabe Gonzalez for sharing his time and insights. You can find him at IMDB, as Gabriel Alejandro Garza: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4509179/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6 When I asked if Gabe wanted me to promote any projects, he just asked we support the Wounded Warrior Project (https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/) Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: The Flash CW series: https://www.cwtv.com/shows/the-flash/ Favorite examples of scary audio drama series: https://qcodemedia.com/theleftrightgame, https://qcodemedia.com/borrasca, https://www.grimandmild.com/bridgewater Supernatural comics: https://www.dc.com/comics/supernatural-2007/supernatural-1 JD Garcia (body contortionist): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13477952/ Julia Cooperman (writing partner): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6269516/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While I assumed costume designers would have a heyday with Halloween, it turns out costumers just want to dress others up - not themselves. At least, that’s according to costume designer Jennifer May Nickel. For this bonus episode, I’m bringing you a conversation with the costume designer from Gotham Knights! Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Jennifer May Nickel: @jennifermaydesigns, @JMNDesigns, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3415772/, Another interview with Jennifer: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/gotham-knights-costume-designer-jennifer-may-nickel-interview/ Misha talking about the Two-Face neckties: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed8IZyHFJ1k Gotham Knights: https://www.cwtv.com/shows/gotham-knights/ And don’t forget to send your best, your weirdest, your most creative fanart to the Family Business Beer Company by December 15th! Send your art to: Gino Graul 19510 Hamilton Pool Rd Dripping Springs, TX 78620 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s it like to be on the other side of fandom, when you’re not the famous one? And how does having a famous family member affect a non-fandom business? Family Business Beer Co CEO Gino has seen it all. It turns out when fandom and ‘normies’ mix, you get all sorts of stories. Stay tuned for a unique contest at the end! Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Competition Details: Send your best, your weirdest, your most creative fanart to the brewery. Remember, to be considered, you MUST tie the piece back to Family Business Beer Company in some fashion. That can mean including their logo, slogan, elements of the brewery, or whatever else you can imagine into your art piece. Gino & a panel of judges will determine the winner(s), who will have their art proudly displayed in the new bathroom art gallery. Plus, winners will also get a swag prize from the brewery! Make sure to send your art by December 15th to be eligible to win! Address: Gino Graul 19510 Hamilton Pool Rd Dripping Springs, TX 78620 Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Douglas Witkowski (my lil bro!) Gino Graul: @GinoGraul, @ginograul (insta) Debbie Graul Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Some music also from: https://pixabay.com/users/kaazoom-448850/ Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Record Scratch from Pixabay Additional Links of Interest: Family Business Beer Company: https://familybusinessbeerco.com/ Chicago Cane Cooperative: https://www.chicagocane.com/ San Jacinto Saloon: https://www.sanjacsaloon.com/ Get FBBC Beer Delivered to you (in the US): https://www.tavour.com/ FBBC Family Reunion Recap: https://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/22798-fun-times-at-family-business-beer-company-s-family-reunion/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

SPN Family shows up to help picket for fair contracts for both the WGA (writers guild of america) and SAG (screen actors guild). Oh, and a small personal update. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Eric Kripke: @therealKripke Kaelee Rhiannon Ben Edlund: @ben_edlund Misha Collins: @mishacollins Valeria Dean Shanda: @shandataber Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Some music also from: https://pixabay.com/users/kaazoom-448850/ Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Deadline article about residuals: https://deadline.com/2023/08/supernatural-eric-kripke-interview-picket-line-writers-strike-residuals-writers-room-1235533157/ Carry the Two podcast on WGA demands around AI: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/caitlin-parrish-and-allyson-ettinger-on-ai-the-wga-strike/id1629115184?i=1000626833863 Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/ My husband’s GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/eu4pt-support-chicago-cane-coops-recovery-transition or https://gofund.me/2ac6b6cc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The first season may be over, but we aren’t done yet! In this first bonus episode, hear some of the voices from across the season tell their stories of how they discovered Supernatural and what hooked them on the show, and the fandom. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Shontill: @abeautifulswan Lynn Zubernis: @FangasmSPN Liz Hand: @__ellie Alana King: @_AlanaKing_ DitchLilyTiger: @DitchLilyTiger Northern Sparrow: @NorthernSprw Robin: @caslostwings Lizlee: @lizleeships Marie: @maryturner_ Jen (Wayward Photog): @WaywardCoug Jen (Rupert Gayes): @rupertgayes Jackie (Winchester Reload): @JackieDeeArt Jules (SPN Wiki): @SuperWiki Scout: @scoutstiel Jeremy (MOTW): @MOTWcast Nightsky: @Lsangel2 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Somehow we’ve come to the end of this road trip, and we’re bringing things back to where it all started. In this final episode of season one, we reflect on the SPN family and how conventions play a major role as a “family reunion” for fans across the world. It seems Bobby wasn’t just referring to the Winchesters when he said that, family don’t end in blood. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Stephanie Dizon: @CreationEnt Lynn Zubernis: @FangasmSPN Nightsky: @Lsangel2 Jules (SPN Wiki): @SuperWiki Rachel Miner: @RachelMiner1 Chris Schmelke: @chrisschmelke Steve Norton: @Innocuous_Flop, @LoudenSwain1 Billy Moran: @Billy_Moran, @LoudenSwain1 Shontill: @abeautifulswan Alana King: @_AlanaKing_ Northern Sparrow: @NorthernSprw Valerie: @valderie Jackie (Winchester Reload): @JackieDeeArt Robin: @caslostwings Scout: @scoutstiel Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie Additional Links of Interest: Creation Entertainment Conventions: https://www.creationent.com/# Fangasm con post about Misha’s fire accident: https://fangasmthebook.com/2016/11/25/supernatural-comes-to-the-east-coast-at-njcon-friday-and-saturday-2016/ Chris Schmelke’s instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/chrisschmelke/ Louden Swain’s newest album, Feelings & Such: Featured song, Guilty One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FT6o-t5vv8 Hire Anna Funk for your own weird reporting projects!: https://www.itsdrfunk.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The SPN Family doesn’t just support each other. Fans and cast alike have started campaigns, founded nonprofits, and committed charitable acts to support both those in the community and the world beyond. In this episode, learn about the international impact of the Supernatural Fandom. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Oh! And don’t forget to perform an Act of Kindness with Random Acts: https://www.randomacts.org/acts/ Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): SPN Script Hunt: @SPNScriptHunt SPN Family Giving: @SPNFamilyGiving TK Kitty: @TrendyKittyKat Karla Truxall: @SPNSurvivors Shontill: @abeautifulswan Tricia: @LadyMalchav Northern Sparrow: @NorthernSprw Jennifer Willis Rivera: NA Random Acts: @RandomActsOrg Rea: @Rea79 Rachel Miner: @RachelMiner1 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: Star Trek Foundation: https://trekfederation.com/ Lord of the Rings Charity Event: https://www.etonline.com/lord-of-the-rings-cast-reunites-and-raises-80k-for-charity-watch-the-zoom-union-147484 Always Keep Fighting campaign: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Always_Keep_Fighting SPN Survivors: https://spnsurvivors.org/ Carry the Two episode on GISH: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kathryn-leonard-and-axel-carlier-on-crowdsourcing-for/id1629115184?i=1000610571885 GISH items list: https://gishwheshistorian.tumblr.com/itemlists Legacy of War Foundation: https://www.legacyofwarfoundation.com/ Stands: https://shopstands.com/pages/about-us Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve spent quite a bit of time on the creativity of the SPN Family, and now we’ve even talked about the darkside. But in this episode, let’s hear how fandom studies has grown as a field and how community aspects of fandom have come to the fore. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Lynn Zubernis: @FangasmSPN Shawn Taylor: https://www.shawntaylor.net/bio Jules (SPN Wiki): @SuperWiki Shontill: @abeautifulswan Robin: @caslostwings Valerie: @valderie Dani: @lotrspnfangirl Alana: @_AlanaKing_ Jackie: @JackieDeeArt Jenjld: @jenjld71 Rachel Miner: @RachelMiner1 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: Ackles on saving The Winchesters: https://tvline.com/2023/05/11/the-winchesters-season-2-cancellation-renewal-update-jensen-ackles/ Saving Walker Independence: https://tvline.com/2023/05/10/walker-independence-season-2-cancellation-renewal-update-jared-padalecki/ Watch Gotham Knights: https://www.cwtv.com/shows/gotham-knights/ Previous conventions: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Convention_Calendar Examples of community events organized within fandom: https://twitter.com/SPN_Summergen, https://twitter.com/allspnships, https://twitter.com/spnspringfling Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As much as we’d like to believe that fandom is all supporting each other’s nerdy interests, that’s not always the case. What are some of the pitfalls of fandom? And which are specific to SPN Family? Let’s find out. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cassie Scott: @itscassiescott Shawn Taylor: https://www.shawntaylor.net/bio Dani: @lotrspnfangirl Marie: @maryturner_ Lizlee: @lizleeships Scout: @scoutstiel Jen (Wayward Photog): @WaywardCoug Valerie: @valderie Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: The Happiness Lab Podcast: https://pca.st/xbvh6s2f Youtube on Parasocial Relationships: https://youtu.be/8FJEtCvb2Kw Kelly Marie Tran story: https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/star-wars-kelly-marie-tran-leaves-social-media-harassment-1202830892/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enjoy this mini-episode while I take a mini-break to work on the second half of this season! In this episode, we’re taking a peek at video, youtube, and a very short discussion on TikTok. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Alana King: @_AlanaKing_ Chris Scott: https://www.instagram.com/chrispscott/ Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: https://www.instagram.com/chrispscott/ Additional music tracks from Pixabay: “Country Rock and Roll” Music by AudioCoffee from Pixabay “Dark Country Rock 144” Music by moodmode from Pixabay “Jokull (Metal Version)” Music by nakaradaalexander from Pixabay “You Know Everything” Music by lemonmusicstudio from Pixabay Production assistance from Sean Ellis Hussey: http://www.seanellishusseycomposer.com/ Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: Bob Wess on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@BobWessSPN Gayle on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@gayled_it5012 The video that got me watching Supernatural: https://youtu.be/M0QhgQ-g4C0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to my world, the world of audio! In this episode, we hear from podcasters, a podficcer, and even some musicians you might just recognize. Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Jeremy, Monster of the Week podcast: @MOTWcast Marie, Carrying Wayward podcast: @maryturner_ Steven Hein, SPN Then and Now podcast: @StevenHein, @SPNthenandnow Katie, podfic podcast: @DustyLCanon, https://t.co/fEwiqpTtg8 Billy Moran, Louden Swain: @Billy_Moran, @LoudenSwain1 Steven Norton, Louden Swain: @Innocuous_Flop, @LoudenSwain1 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Production assistance from Sean Ellis Hussey: http://www.seanellishusseycomposer.com/ Jake Lionheart (hiphop remixes): https://open.spotify.com/artist/23dBJ5oyDvDVhN0NsSSxvn Louden Swain’s featured songs from their new album: https://www.loudenswain.com/ Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: Hunks of Summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNjbrC1S-CI&list=PLEIGuKUCfU7XwaaFxGCzqHXRQLvmdI-e8&index=2 SPN Then and Now podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/supernatural-then-and-now/id1605385289 Louden Swain’s Zep Cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_1ikPR8CbQ Louden Swain’s newest album: https://open.spotify.com/album/6svHLJxqGe6lNGtjs83CNs Driver Picks the Music: https://t.co/LaPht1kspJ The Fangirl Business: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fangirl-business-a-supernatural-podcast/id1481768180 Radio Company: https://radiocomusic.com/ Additional SPN podcasts: The Cas Cast https://thecascast.carrd.co/ Driver Picks The Podcast: linktr.ee/driverpicksthepodcast Supernatural Opinions: https://linktr.ee/SupernaturalOpinionsPodcast Saving People, Queering Things: https://queeringthingspodcast.wordpress.com/ Denim-Wrapped Nightmares: https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/share Mal’akh Radio: https://t.co/vUtMZMsbnS Raising Perdition: https://linktr.ee/raisingperdition Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I may not be a native of Tumblr, but I thoroughly enjoyed learning about how the platform helped launch the careers of multiple fan artists! And let’s not forget to include our SPN convention ‘photogs’ in this episode examining the visual world of fandom. Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Jackie Dee (Winchester Reload): @JackieDeeArt Liz: @__ellie Lizlee: @lizleeships Scout: @scoutstiel Wayward Girl Photography: @WaywardGrlPhoto DitchLilyTiger: @DitchLilyTiger Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music was composed and performed by Chris Scott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-scott-83371925/ Production assistance from Sean Ellis Hussey: http://www.seanellishusseycomposer.com/ Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Additional Links of Interest: History of ‘The Kiss’ as a piece of fanart: https://my.meural.netgear.com/editorial/91 History of Tumblr: https://youtu.be/IRJzETafTTI https://youtu.be/us5Y_Kba7To https://youtu.be/BZd7FXLvNSg Jackie’s portfolio: https://jackiedeeart.com/ Liz’s line art portfolio: https://www.instagram.com/bylizhand/ Lizlee’s portfolio: https://lizleeillustration.tumblr.com/ Scout’s portfolio: https://scoutvart.myportfolio.com/ Jen’s Ko-Fi & photo gallery: https://ko-fi.com/waywardgirlphotos DitchLilyTiger on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sincitizen2000/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, we explore the written world of SPN Family. Which, yes, does include a deep dive into fan fiction. Thanks to the voices you heard in this episode (in order of appearance): Jenn: @rupertgayes Jen: @jenjld71 Northern Sparrow: @NorthernSprw CastielsLostWings: @caslostwings Lynn Zubernis: @FangasmSPN Nightsky: @Lsangel2 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk Music was composed and performed by Chris Scott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-scott-83371925/ Production assistance from Sean Ellis Hussey: http://www.seanellishusseycomposer.com/ Cover art by Liz: @__ellie Support the show on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/in_defense_of_fandom Links to full transcripts are available at www.sadiewit.com Additional Links of Interest: AO3 2022 fandoms & ships: https://archiveofourown.org/works/45184681 AO3 2022 Year in Review: https://archiveofourown.org/works/43994769/chapters/110618514 Legal Battles around Fan Fiction: https://reporter.rit.edu/views/fanfiction-legal-battle-creativity https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/how-to-keep-fanfiction-legal-and-avoid-trouble-with-lawyers https://blog.jipel.law.nyu.edu/2021/04/is-fanfiction-legal/ Heard from Your Mother: https://archiveofourown.org/series/2199102 JenJld’s Fan Works: https://archiveofourown.org/users/Jld71/pseuds/Jld71 Under the Midnight Sun: https://archiveofourown.org/works/16690645 Robin’s novel, Fire and Ice: https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Ice-Robin-Lynn/dp/1945687126 The Winchester Family Business: https://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/ Laurena's Twilight Book: https://www.facebook.com/FanPhenomenaTwilight/ Lynn Zubernis’ Fangasm Blog: https://fangasmthebook.com/ Capitalism & women’s work in fanfiction: https://overland.org.au/2018/06/fanfiction-is-womens-work/ Supernatural Podcasts about Fanfiction: http://www.mixtapebookclub.com/ & https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sogetthislore More examples of SPN getting published: https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/supernatural-suddenly-takes-over-amazon-best-sellers-in-unique-fashion/ My horrifyingly dated fanfic.net account: https://www.fanfiction.net/u/1108281/Sadie-Elric Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices