In Conversation with Nathalie Nahai

Today I have the distinct pleasure of speaking with Professor Sue Black, OBE - a multi-award-winning computer scientist, social entrepreneur, and technology evangelist with over 25 years of experience driving change at the intersection of technology, equity, and public policy.Recognised as one of the Forbes World Top 50 Women in Tech and in the Top 20 Most Influential Person in UK Tech, Sue’s work spans bias in AI, digital inclusion, culture change, and community transformation.She has advised the UK government on digital skills, founded TechUPWomen to support underserved women into tech careers, and was the pioneering mind who led the successful campaign to save Bletchley Park.Currently serving as a trustee at Comic Relief and the Institute for the Future of Work, Sue’s mission is to ensure technology works for everyone, not just the few. And it is precisely her focus and work around responsible AI, inclusive leadership, and tech for good that inspired me to speak with her today.WEBSITEShttps://sueblack.co.uk/https://www.skool.com/women-in-tech-power-network/abouthttps://www.techup.ac.uk/contact-us/CHAPTERS05:01 The Role of Technology in Society10:00 Education and Technology Literacy17:00 The AI Opportunity Gap23:11 Navigating AI and Technology Myths27:07 Harnessing Positive Technologies for Everyday Life27:31 Understanding Gender Disparities in AI Adoption28:25 Skepticism vs. Adoption: A Deeper Look at AI30:25 The Importance of Diversity in Tech Development32:23 Breaking Down Silos: The Value of Intergenerational Perspectives34:33 Using Technology for Pro-Social Outcomes35:53 Empowering Women in Tech: Challenges and Solutions41:50 The Need for Diverse Leadership in Tech42:13 Creating a Diverse Board for Ethical Tech Decisions43:37 Current Focus: Empowering Women in Technology

In this episode, I speak with Carl Miller: an author, journalist and researcher at Demos, a London think tank where he co-founded the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media in 2012. A renowned speaker, Carl has given address in Parliament, to NATO, at TED, the Web Summit, the Hay Literary Festival, Oxford University, the British Academy, the Mayor of London, Latitude and many more. As a journalist, he has written on everything from living in a political technology commune and visiting an information warfare base, to meeting fake news merchants in Kosovo. He’s conducted longterm, immersive investigations into the digital democrats in Taiwan, hackers in Las Vegas and assassination markets on the dark net, and he's the host of the multi-award-winning, 7-country #1 podcast, Kill List.The author of several books, including The Death of the Gods: The New Global Power Grab (which won the 2019 Transmission prize), Carl has led over 40 major projects to research the digital world. He highlighted the influence of conspiracy theories in 2010, called for digital literacy education in 2012. He warned about the rise of crypto-currencies in 2013, and how the digital world was transforming policing. With the former Director of GCHQ, he coined 'SOCMINT', social media intelligence. In 2015 he led a team monitoring the rise of digital politics over the General Election. In 2016 he worked on using machine learning to measure how social media was targeting minority groups for abuse. From 2019 onwards, he has focussed on confronting the rise of shadowy forms of influence, disinformation and information warfare.And this, dear listeners, is what we’ll be exploring today…WEBSITESwww.carlmiller.cohttps://www.linkedin.com/in/carlmiller/http://www.demos.co.uk/people/carl-millerhttps://demos.academia.edu/CarlMiller www.demos.co.ukBOOKS & RESOURCESBook: The Death of The Gods – Carl Miller (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/436073/the-death-of-the-gods-by-carl-miller/9781786090126)Writing: https://carl-miller-website.webflow.io/writingPodcast: Kill List (Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/kill-list/id1769072368 / Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0MKZSB39sSnSYHzey11SPF) CITEDDemos Waves Project - https://demos.co.uk/project/waves/ Estonia's X-Road Digital Identity System - https://e-estonia.com/solutions/interoperability-services/x-road/ CHAPTERS06:06 The Role of Technology in Society11:18 Information Warfare and AI17:00 Civic Engagement and Digital Literacy25:41 The Challenge of Digital Identity and Security28:17 The Evolution of Internet Trust and Fraud30:28 The Implications of AI on Identity and Trust33:53 Innovations in Digital Democracy: The Waves Project

Today I’m speaking with Richard Gerver - one of the foremost experts on change and human leadership, described by the late Sir Ken Robinson as, “One of the clearest and most passionate voices for radical change both in education and in business.” A best-selling author, educator and keynote speaker, Richard’s work draws upon a deep understanding and compassionate interpretation of change and human potential, and – as Sir Robinson describes – “In his compelling presentations and books, he takes his powerful message of hope and possibility to educators, business leaders and policy makers around the world.” The mind behind two hugely successful courses on LinkedIn Learning, Richard is also the author of four renowned books – Change, Simple Thinking, Education: A Manifesto for Change and Creating Tomorrow's Schools Today – guides that draw upon his experience as an educator and consultant to businesses and organisations, to help readers think in new ways about the people we know and the places we work in.I first met Richard at the World Business Forum last year in Madrid, where we talked about his forthcoming book, Curiosity, which is due out in Spring 2027. We hit if off immediately and I just had to invite him onto the show to explore the many themes about which we are both deeply passionate. This was a moving conversation for me, and I hope you enjoy it.SUMMARYRichard Gerver and Nathalie Nahai explore the depths of human psyche, change, curiosity, and collective resilience. They discuss how uncertainty, fear, and the need for certainty shape our world, and how storytelling, vulnerability, and micro-activism can foster hope and transformation.WEBSITEhttps://richardgerver.com/ BOOKS & RESOURCESBooks:https://richardgerver.com/books/ CHAPTERS00:00 The Global Human Psyche: Uncertainty and Fear06:23 The Fragility of Certainty: Learning from Failure11:59 Risk and Growth: The Importance of Taking Chances19:27 Personal Journeys: Adversity and Resilience23:38 Curiosity: The Key to Navigating Change34:58 Questioning vs. Condemnation: The Power of Curiosity36:07 The Dignity of Disagreement37:35 The Power of Storytelling in Change41:43 Micro Activism and Personal Responsibility44:28 The Renaissance of Humanity48:14 Navigating Darkness Together52:40 The Role of Shame in Human Connection58:56 Empowering Change Through Responsibility

To kick off this new season, I’m speaking with Dr Paul Goldsmith, a neuroscientist and practising neurologist with a background in founding and building life sciences companies across both the drug and digital therapeutics space, in addition to NHS systems and strategic experience, clinical networks, vanguard and clinical senate roles.Having studied natural sciences at the University of Cambridge and gained a clinical scholarship from the University of Oxford, Paul undertook postgraduate medical training in Oxford, at the National Hospital for Neurology in London, and in Cambridge, and went on to take a Ph.D. in developmental neuroscience at Cambridge, which lead to an interest in evolutionary medicine. A visiting professor at Imperial College London in the Institute of Global Health Innovation, he is also the author of a new book, “The Evolving Brain: How to thrive in a world we weren’t meant for”, a guide that draws from his clinical to offer compassionate, practical insights on the evolutionary origins of our brain and how we can best use it to thrive in our daily lives.Given the increasing complexity and turbulence we face today, this felt like a poignant place from which to open this series of conversations, and I hope you find this episode as uplifting, companionate and insightful as I did.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Paul Goldsmith and Nathalie Nahai explore the intricate connections between the human psyche, the evolving brain, and the challenges of modern life. They discuss the importance of understanding our place within a larger system, the role of social goals in happiness, and the impact of meaningful relationships on well-being. They examine the complexities of modern existence, including the decline in fertility rates, the influence of social media on loneliness, and the significance of community and shared experiences. Finally, Paul and Nathalie emphasise the need for self-compassion, the power of physical activity, and the potential for finding beauty in adversity.WEBSITEhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-goldsmith-624241/ BOOKS The Evolving Brain: How to thrive in a world we weren’t meant for (https://www.hachette.co.uk/contributor/dr-paul-goldsmith/)CHAPTERS00:00 The Global Human Psyche02:39 Understanding the Evolving Brain05:40 The Complexity of Modern Goals08:29 Navigating Social Dynamics and Relationships11:40 The Role of Melancholy in Goal Pursuit14:38 The Impact of Modern Society on Fertility and Loneliness17:35 Finding Meaning and Belonging in Life33:16 The Quest for Validation in Modern Life36:21 Understanding Neurodivergence and Focus40:50 Auditing Personal Goals and Life Purpose44:40 The Power of Connection and Community56:25 The Role of Ego in Our Perception of Reality

Hello, and welcome to this special Solstice episode of the podcast. It’s been a while since the last show, and that’s because this year has been a bit of a whirlwind for me. I was hosting over the summer, the nascent season of a new show called “I am not creative” for Do Radio, and I’ve since been on the road for a solid three months giving talks on how we might navigate this age of AI and automation with greater criticality, agency, humanity and discernment. I’ve shared stages with Brené Brown, Adam Grant and Grace Blakeley, and I’ve even dared an auditorium full of 1300 business people to sing together at a moment’s notice, and joined futurists in conversations around longevity and the future of the human race.I’ve also been spending time painting towards a solo exhibition which will be launching in London in late Autumn 2026, and I’ve been back in the studio recording a third album with Mercury nominated producer, Drew Horley, down in Somerset. It’s been a really bonkers year, full of intensity, beauty, challenges and surprises, and so I’m delighted to be rejoining you once again for this touchstone, and what has become a cherished tradition of reflection, contemplation, and looking ahead to the year to come. In this conversation, I rejoin Manda Scott and Della Duncan for a collaborative midwinter offering from myself, Accidental Gods, and the Upstream Podcast.From the questions we’re holding to the highlights we’re taking from the year, this is a ritual that I’ve come to really look forward to, and I hope you find it as uplifting as I do.To introduced my companions…Manda Scott is a novelist, podcaster and smallholder. Formerly a veterinary surgeon, Manda’s novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award and has won the McIlvanney Prize. She is host of the Accidental Gods podcast, which showcases individuals and organisations at the emerging edge of our world, to set the foundation for a future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. We’re joined by Della Duncan, a Renegade Economist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is a co-host of the Upstream Podcast, a Right Livelihood Coach, a faculty member at the California Institute of Integral Studies, a Senior Fellow at the London School of Economics, a founding member of the California Doughnut Economics Coalition, and the designer and co-facilitator of the Cultivating Regenerative Livelihood Course at Gaia Education.This is always a special episode for me, and I’m very grateful to be able to dive into conversation with these two brilliant women. I hope you find it inviting and inspiring, and I wish you a peaceful Winter Solstice and a fruitful new year

Hello and welcome to a special episode of In Conversation with Nathalie Nahai – the podcast that explores our relationship with one another, with technology and with the animate world.On this rare occasion, I have the pleasure of interviewing two friends of the podcast – Manda Scott and Rupert Read – about their powerful, compelling and practical new book, Transformative Adaptation.A selection of essays by leading practitioners and pioneers this book lays out approaches for adaptation that work with, not against nature, and it is a theory and a practice, a community and an attitude, designed to support us in imagining and creating a flourishing future even in the jaws of adversity.Rupert Read is an eco-philosopher, academic, author, campaigner, UK Green politician, and environmental activist. Having been a key spokesperson for the Extinction Rebellion movement, Rupert now dedicates his time to the Climate Majority Project as its Co-Director.Manda Scott is a Thrutopian novelist, podcaster and smallholder. Formerly a veterinary surgeon, Manda’s novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award, and she has won the McIlvanney Prize. She is host of the popular Accidental Gods podcast, which showcases individuals and organisations at the emerging edge of our world, to set the foundation for a future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai, Manda Scott, and Rupert Read explore the themes of collective awakening to climate risks, the importance of imagination in envisioning a flourishing future, and the vital role of art and creativity in shaping narratives. They discuss the necessity of community action for transformative adaptation and the significance of acknowledging despair as a pathway to empowerment. The conversation emphasises learning from the Global South's experiences and the evolving consciousness among politicians regarding climate realities. Ultimately, they call for individuals to recognise their power to influence change and to build a shared narrative of possibility for a sustainable future.BOOKUS edition of TrAd: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/801723/transformative-adaptation-by-edited-by-rupert-read-and-morgan-phillips-with-manda-scott/UK edition of TrAd: https://www.permanentpublications.co.uk/port/transformative-adaptation/WEBSITESEdge Cities: https://www.edgecity.live/Edge City in California: https://www.edgeesmeralda.com/Our House (creating civil charters by Peoples’ Assemblies): https://ourhouseuk.org/OPUS in Sheffield: https://www.weareopus.org/Rupert Readhttps://rupertread.net/https://climatemajorityproject.com/Manda Scotthttps://mandascott.co.uk/https://accidentalgods.life/https://thrutopia.life/CHAPTERS00:00 Awakening to Collective Realisation01:55 The Role of AI in Society05:10 Imagining a Flourishing Future08:11 Transformative Adaptation and Climate Crisis11:06 The Power of Narrative and Imagination14:00 Creating Alternative Futures17:07 The Role of Artists in Change20:10 Building a Shared Vision23:03 Gathering Spaces for Creative Collaboration35:29 Reimagining Storytelling for a New Era38:15 The Role of Emotional Literacy in Media39:15 Welcoming Our Shadows for Healing42:13 Embracing Despair as a Path to Growth47:38 The Interplay of Love and Fear51:21 Integrating Inner Conflicts for Collective Action56:33 Transformative Adaptation: A Hopeful Future

For the final episode of the season, I have the distinct pleasure of being in conversation with the renowned author, activist and friend of the podcast, Rob Hopkins.Having interviewed him about his powerful book,  From What Is to What If: Unleashing The Power Of Imagination To Create The Future We Want in episode 87, I had to invite him to return to the show to dive into his new, eagerly awaited sequel: How to Fall in Love with the Future: A Time Traveller’s Guide To Changing The World.To give you a bit of background, Rob is the co-founder of Transition Town Totnes and the Transition Network, he has authored several titles including The Transition Handbook, The Transition Companion, The Power of Just Doing Stuff, and 21 Stories of Transition , and he presents the podcast series From What If to What Next.In 2012, he was voted one of the Independent’s top 100 environmentalists and was on Nesta and the Observer’s list of Britain’s 50 New Radicals. Rob has also appeared on BBC Radio 4’s “Four Thought” and “A Good Read”, in the French film phenomenon Demain and its sequel Après Demain, and has spoken at TEDGlobal and three TEDx events.An Ashoka Fellow, Rob also holds a doctorate degree from the University of Plymouth and has received two honorary doctorates from the University of the West of England and the University of Namur. In November 2022 he was made an Honorary Citizen of Liège in Belgium by the Mayor of the city. Rob runs ‘Imagination Catalyst’ trainings for organisations as diverse as Balenciaga, London Marathon Group, local councils and Museum Booster, he’s collaborated with musician Mr Kit on a project called Field Recordings from the Future, due out in 2025, and he is a keen gardener and a director of Totnes Community Development Society, the group behind Atmos Totnes, an ambitious, community-led development project.Now, this season has been focusing heavily on AI – its impact in the world, how we develop it, how we approach it, discerning fact from fiction, uncovering some of the more existential questions, and figuring out how to chart a path forward that gives us back our sense of agency, creativity, imagination, and collective power. And so for me it felt really fitting to land this series speaking to Rob about his extraordinary ways in which we can really breathe ourselves into a future that is flourishing, beautiful and just. And to take that as a starting place, the fertile ground, from which to anchor any imagination around what technology and other aspects of life, could bring....A brief note: When we recorded this episode, there were road-works being carried out in the street outside - and while we’ve done our best to reduce the noise, I’m including a note here to flag that the audio drop outs in my voice are not due to Caro C’s work, but are the result of pre-editing carried out by someone else. I hope you’ll enjoy the episode nonetheless!...SUMMARYIn this conversation, Rob Hopkins and Nathalie Nahai explore the importance of imagination and longing in activism. They discuss the need for community, the skepticism towards AI, and the power of collective action in creating a flourishing future. Rob shares insights from his book, 'How to Fall in Love with the Future,' emphasizing the significance of storytelling and social technologies in shaping a better world. The dialogue highlights the necessity of nurturing imagination and the potential for human beings to enact extraordinary change.WEBSITEShttp://transitionnetwork.org/https://www.robhopkins.net/https://www.atmosfortotnes.org/https://plumvillage.org/BOOKSHow to Fall in Love with the Future: A Time Traveller’s Guide To Changing The World (https://www.robhopkins.net/the-book/)From What Is to What If: Unleashing The Power Of Imagination To Create The Future We Want – Rob Hopkins (https://www.chelseagreen.com/product/from-what-is-to-what-if-paperback/)Transition Handbook (https://amzn.to/3IHIn7e)The Transition Companion (https://amzn.to/4597gjN)The Power of Just Doing Stuff (https://amzn.to/45gJe7A)21 Stories of Transition (https://archive.transitionnetwork.org/resources/21-stories-of-transition-pdf-to-download/)PODCASTFrom What If to What Next (https://www.patreon.com/fromwhatiftowhatnext)MUSICField Recordings from the Future (https://www.robhopkins.net/field-recordings-from-the-future/)CHAPTERS04:59 The Role of AI in Our Future09:40 The Importance of Longing and Imagination19:26 Activism and the Cultivation of Longing33:47 Cultivating a Positive Mindset36:14 Imagining a Better Future37:32 Experiencing the Present41:00 The Power of Imagination47:31 Field Recordings from the Future55:42 Finding Hope in Difficult Times

Today I have the pleasure of speaking with a dear friend and one of the most extraordinary Realist Painters of our generation, Carl de Jager.Born and raised in South Africa, Carl is a fine artist and co-founder of The Realist Painter, a project that delivers painting and drawing workshops across multiple European locations including Greece, Spain, Cyprus, and Austria, distilling years of classical training into highly focused learning experiences. Having originally obtained a Bachelor of Arts with a major in Art History, Carl went on to have a successful career as a software engineer in Melbourne, and he later pivoted to pursue classical drawing and painting at the prestigious Barcelona Academy of Art.A well loved and respected teacher and program coordinator, delivering instruction from fundamental drawing techniques to advanced painting methods, Carl also oversees specialised courses including Light and Form and Portrait programs.I actually had the pleasure of being taught by Carl in person while studying at BAA, an experience which (as some of you may know), fundamentally changed the course of my life – prompting a change in country, an expanding of community, and a shifting of priorities that gave rise not only to this podcast and the Salons, but to my painting and music-making that are now at the heart of my daily life.I’ve been wanting to bring Carl onto the show for a long while, especially since he brings such a unique, multifaceted approach to creativity, art and AI. It’s not often one gets the opportunity to speak to someone with such deep expertise in both art and technology, which is why this conversation was such a gift.And another gift – if you’ve ever felt a call to paint or draw, The Realist Painter are hosting a really exciting collaborative workshop this September with one of the most celebrated painters of the contemporary art world, Scott Waddell, formerly from the Grand Central Academy in New York. This rare workshop will focus on the great 19th century master , Bouguereau, and it’s selling out fast – so if you’ve been holding back on your creative impulse and you want to experience the best teaching the art world has to offer, from some of the most sought-after artists, this is for you. I’ll put the links in the shownotes, or you can visit The Realist Painter.com. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Carl and Nathalie explore the intersection of creativity and AI, discussing the nature and process of creativity and the implications of AI on artistic expression. They discuss the complexities of cultural gatekeeping, the future of art in an AI-driven world, and the challenges surrounding intellectual property. The dialogue highlights the importance of personal experience in creativity and the evolving role of technology in artistic practices. LINKShttps://www.instagram.com/carldejager.art/https://www.carldejager.com/https://www.therealistpainter.com/https://www.instagram.com/therealistpainter/ CHAPTERS02:58 The Essence of Creativity05:59 AI's Role in Artistic Expression08:55 The Intersection of Human and AI Creativity12:03 The Complexity of Artistic Creation15:11 Cultural Gatekeeping in Art17:52 The Future of Art and AI21:06 Responsibility and Understanding AI's Impact34:22 The Trust Crisis in Governance36:18 Reconsidering Copyright and Intellectual Property42:49 The Evolution of AI Tools in Art48:25 Navigating the AI Landscape in Creativity55:50 Art as a Community Experience57:24 The Realist Painter: A New Venture

In today’s episode, I speak with Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic - Chief Innovation Officer at ManpowerGroup, Professor of Business Psychology at University College London and Columbia University, co-founder of deepersignals.com, and an associate at Harvard’s Entrepreneurial Finance Lab.Tomas is the author of 12 books, including Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (and How to Fix It), upon which his TED talk was based, and I, Human: AI, Automation, and the Quest to Reclaim What Makes Us Unique, and his next book (out this fall) is Don’t Be Yourself: Why Authenticity is Overrated and What to Do Instead – the link for which is in the shownotes below.An international authority in people analytics, talent management, leadership development, and the human-AI interface, Tomas’ commercial work focuses on the creation of science-based tools that improve organizations' ability to predict performance, and people's ability to understand themselves. Having previously held academic positions at New York University and the London School of Economics, and lectured at Harvard Business School, Stanford Business School, London Business School, Johns Hopkins, IMD, and INSEAD, as well as being the CEO at Hogan Assessment Systems, Dr. Tomas has written over 200 scientific papers on the psychology of talent, leadership, innovation, and AI, making him one of the most prolific social scientists of his generation.Over the past 20 years, Tomas has consulted for a range of clients across financial services, advertising, media, consumer goods, fashion, government and intergovernmental organizations. His media career comprises over 200 TV appearances, including on the BBC, CNN, TED, and Sky, and over 300 features in Harvard Business Review, the Guardian, Fast Company, Forbes, and the Huffington Post.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai interviews Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic about the impact of AI on creativity, authenticity, and the future of work. They discuss the dangers of over-reliance on technology, the need for critical thinking, and the importance of maintaining human connection in a digital age. The conversation highlights the evolving nature of creativity and the potential inequities that may arise from AI advancements, ultimately questioning what it means to be human in an increasingly synthetic world.WEBSITEShttps://www.drtomas.com/deepersignals.com  BOOKS & RESOURCESDon’t Be Yourself: Why Authenticity is Overrated and What to Do Instead - Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (https://amzn.to/3FVAVV4)Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (and How to Fix It)  - Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (https://amzn.to/3G2Poys)I, Human: AI, Automation, and the Quest to Reclaim What Makes Us Unique  - Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (https://amzn.to/4kPKc05)TED Talk: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeAEFEXvcBg) CHAPTERS02:50 Exploring Authenticity in a Digital Age05:50 AI and the Future of Creativity08:59 The Paradox of AI Dependence11:53 Human Complexity vs. AI Limitations14:54 The Impact of Technology on Society17:49 The Counter-Trend of Digital Fatigue20:49 The Role of AI in Job Automation23:50 The Future of Work in an AI-Driven World31:20 The Future of Work and AI's Role37:50 Cognitive Overload and Information Detox44:11 The Evolution of Knowledge Work50:33 Rethinking Value in an AI-Driven World58:37 Humanity in the Age of AI

Today I have the absolute pleasure of being in conversation with a very dear friend, Dr Aaron Balick. A long-time companion of the podcast, Aaron is an internationally recognised psychotherapist, keynote speaker, author, and business and media consultant who applies depth-psychology to help people better understand themselves, business, and culture in the digital age.Specialising in the psychological impact of technology, AI, and social media, Aaron translates complex ideas into accessible insights for professional development, leadership, and business transformation.With over 20 years of clinical and academic experience, he’s one of the most scintillating, thought-provoking and wise thought-leaders I’ve encountered in my many years on the speaker circuit. He’s a sought after keynote speaker, renowned for his poignant and actionable insights about how we meet and grow through our challenges, understand human relational dynamics, and navigate the myriad ways in which technologies are shaping our inner and outer lives.A trusted media contributor and long-time collaborator with the BBC, Aaron also has a regular psychology column at GQ and his broadcast work includes the BAFTA-nominated Suicide and Me, BBC Radio 1’s The Surgery, and Radio 4’s The Moral Maze and The Digital Human. His insights have been featured in The Guardian, Wired, Newsweek, and beyond.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Dr Aaron Balick discuss the complexities of the global human psyche, exploring themes of fear, the impact of AI on therapy, and the nature of synthetic relationships. They discuss the challenges posed by technology in human connection, the polarization of society, and the need for economic and social change. The dialogue also touches on the importance of interpersonal relationships, the search for meaning in discomfort, and the role of myths in navigating contemporary challenges. Ultimately, they emphasize the necessity of grounding oneself in reality and fostering genuine connections to navigate the complexities of modern life.WEBSITEShttps://www.aaronbalick.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/draaronb/https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/profile/aaron-balickBOOKS & RESOURCESThe Little Book of Calm: Tame Your Anxieties, Face Your Fears, and Live Free – Dr Aaron Balick (https://www.aaronbalick.com/books)The Psychodynamics of Social Networking: Connected-up instantaneous culture and the self – Dr Aaron Balick(https://www.aaronbalick.com/books)The Trading Game: A Confession – Gary Stevenson (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/727417/the-trading-game-by-gary-stevenson/) CHAPTERS02:18 The Impact of AI on Therapy05:28 Navigating Polarization and Media Influence08:13 The Role of Community in Addressing Loneliness11:15 The Dangers of Synthetic Relationships14:25 The Importance of Pain in Growth17:18 Philosophical Perspectives on Free Will and Relationships29:57 The Nature of AI Relationships30:52 Human Consciousness and Algorithms33:33 Exploring the Unconscious Mind37:35 The Cosmic Unconscious40:19 Responding to Life's Challenges43:01 Liminal Moments and Initiation45:43 Myths for the Modern Age49:37 Personal Myths and Individual Responsibility53:37 Practices for Self-Discovery

In this episode, I speak with Adam Hawkins – a Recruitment Industry Advisor, Strategic International Sales Leader and Non-Executive Director at LinkedIn.A strategic thought leader and keynote speaker, Adam partners with the recruitment industry to shape talent solutions that augment opportunities on offer for workers in a dynamic, fast-changing world.With 25 years of experience in executive roles across the full recruitment and talent ecosystem, Adam has advised on strategy, served on company boards, and led international high-performing teams across diverse global markets. Having joined LinkedIn seven years ago as an industry champion, Adam supports recruitment clients to deliver greater value in hiring, learning, and employee engagement alongside the world's largest professional network.In his current role, he works to inspire and influence the future of talent by embracing new technologies and bringing people together to drive powerful dialogue as the industry shapes the road ahead.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Adam Hawkins and Nathalie Nahai explore the rapid transformation driven by technology, particularly AI. They discuss the anxiety professionals face due to the pace of change, the role of AI in augmenting human tasks, and the importance of maintaining human agency in an increasingly automated world. The conversation also highlights the tools available for enhancing productivity, the essential human skills needed for the future, and the common mistakes organizations make in adopting AI. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for a balanced approach to technology that fosters creativity and human connection while navigating the challenges and opportunities presented by AI.WEBSITESLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamlawrencehawkins/  AI TOOLS·      Glean (note taking study tool) - https://glean.co/·      Gong (revenue intelligence platform) - https://www.gong.io/revenue-ai/·      Otter (for meetings, transcripts, summaries) - https://otter.ai/·      Google Notebook LM (summaries, note taking, research) - https://notebooklm.google/·      Gamma (design presentations, websites, social media posts) - https://gamma.app/·      HeyGen (AI video generator) - https://www.heygen.com/CHAPTERS00:49 The Global Human Psyche and Transformation05:09 Anxiety in the Age of AI09:59 The Role of AI in Work and Creativity19:03 Tools for the Future: Embracing Technology31:04 Finding Balance: Human Skills and AI Integration32:23 Human-Centric Skills in a Tech-Driven World37:18 Navigating Mistakes in Technology Adoption43:02 The Importance of Workforce Strategy and Reskilling49:11 Balancing AI Use with Human Capabilities01:01:30 The Future of AI: Opportunities and Risks

Today, I’m delighted to speak with a truly exceptional guest - Caroline Chubb Calderon. A strategic advisor, futurist, humanist and executive “future coach”, Caroline is one of these remarkable leaders whose expertise and skill are deeply rooted in the ground of compassion, care and love for the living world.Devoted to reimagining the future of humanity in the age of intelligent machines, her work focuses on the roles we humans can play in the coming redefinition of human-machine relationships, what it means to be human in a world of limitless algorithms, the future of work and society, and, most especially, how we might develop leaders to lead this revolution with integrity, ethics and a view towards multi-generational benefit. With her team at HelloHumanity, Caroline works with future-shapers to enhance the qualities of humanity that are so critical at this juncture in the development of AI – those qualities that will continue to set us apart from robots, machines and algorithms, including ethical and moral decision-making, imagination, socio-emotional intelligence, and daring and visionary leadership.  Having spoken at TEDx and on prominent stages around the world, Caroline is actively involved with IEEE’s working groups defining the standards for Ethical AI, and she has contributed to two seminal books on disruptive leadership. She has also worked with some of the most imaginative organizations on the planet, guest lectured at many top MBA schools and leadership forums, and won awards for her work with Fortune 100 clients.Caroline is also a senior meditation teacher and brings the ethics of western and eastern wisdom into her work. She fuses together the fields of innovation, emotional intelligence, mindfulness, ethics, purpose-driven leadership, behavioral science, and neuroscience to prepare executives to take their most important helm — to lead for humanity. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Caroline Chubb Calderon and Nathalie Nahai explore the complexities of the global human psyche amidst rapid technological transformation. They discuss the importance of introspection, the need for collective action, and the role of technology in fostering human connection. The dialogue emphasizes empathy, compassion, and community as essential elements for navigating the challenges posed by AI and other disruptive forces. They envision a flourishing future that prioritizes regenerative economic models, equitable governance, and a deep understanding of interconnection within nature. Ultimately, they call for a shift in consciousness towards right relationships with life and a commitment to nurturing the planet and each other.WEBSITEShttps://www.carolinechubbcalderon.com/https://www.hellohumanity.com/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) – Dr. Emily M. Bender & Dr. Alex HannaThe Children’s Fire (https://amzn.to/4dnP0GT) – Mac McCartneyCHAPTERS03:08 Introspection vs. Collective Action06:05 The Role of Compassion in Action08:43 Reconnecting with Nature and Community11:55 Imagining a Flourishing Future with AI14:52 Rethinking Economic Models in the Age of AI28:12 The Power Dynamics of AI and Governance29:33 Democracy in the Age of AI31:17 Envisioning a Council of Life33:48 The Ethical Implications of AI Technology36:07 Transforming Power Structures37:53 Shifting from Extractive to Regenerative Mindsets41:27 Interconnection and Human-Centric Thinking45:04 The Role of Humans in a Regenerative Future50:42 Contemplating Right Relationship with Life

In this episode, I speak with Caroline Carruthers, an award-winning data expert and co-founder of global data consultancy Carruthers and Jackson. She was one of the first women to take on the role of Chief Data Officer in the UK public sector for Network Rail and has worked across multiple industries to build data capability from the ground up, delivering real change to each organisation around how they valued their data as an asset.Caroline has authored several best-selling books on the role of data in organisations, including the renowned “Chief Data Officer’s Playbook” and the bestselling “Data Driven Business Transformation.”Working alongside her co-author, and co-founder of Carruthers and Jackson, Peter Jackson, Caroline now consults public, private and charity sector organisations around the world on how to get the most out of their data.Caroline was named one of the top 20 inspirational female role models in data by The Female Lead in 2018 and won Computing’s Rising Stars Entrepreneur of the Year Award in 2020 for her work consulting major international organisations on their data operations.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Caroline Carruthers explore the evolving role of data and AI in society, discussing the balance between information overload and meaningful insights. They discuss the ethical implications of data usage, the importance of human oversight in AI, and the need for transparency in data sharing. The dialogue also touches on creativity, the relationship between art and technology, and the significance of curiosity in navigating the complexities of modern life. Ultimately, they emphasise the importance of finding beauty and meaning in both the creative process and the challenges we face in a data-driven world.WEBSITEShttps://carruthersandjackson.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-carruthers-22b9423/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) - Emily M. Bender and Alex HannaFactfulness (https://amzn.to/4jW5Yyc) – Hans RoslingEloise Gillow  - https://www.eloisegillow.com/aboutBlanche Ellis - https://blancheellis.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to Data and Ethics01:34 The Evolution of Data Usage04:32 The Global Human Psyche and Data07:38 The Dilemma of Information Overload10:28 AI and Human Productivity13:42 Challenges in AI Adoption16:38 Understanding AI Tools19:38 Ethics and AI in Healthcare22:34 The Trolley Problem and AI Ethics32:06 Navigating AI in Traffic Situations33:58 Human Empathy vs. AI Decision-Making35:00 Anthropomorphizing AI: The Risks and Realities37:14 The Importance of Human Oversight in AI38:59 Curiosity as a Key to AI Understanding41:19 Creating Space for Creativity in Organizations

Today I have the pleasure of interviewing Ismael Kherroubi Garcia, the Founder & CEO of Kairoi, the AI Ethics & Research Governance Consultancy; the Founder of the Responsible Artificial Intelligence Network (RAIN) organised by Fellows of the RSA; and Associate Director of We and AI, promoting AI literacy for social inclusion. Ismael’s work in responsible AI has allowed him to draw on his diverse experiences, having worked across fintech, museums, theatre and academia, in sales, human resources and research; and at organisations as diverse as Bloomberg, the Royal Opera House and NASA.Ismael's training in Business Management and Philosophy of the Social Sciences now informs practical but nuanced approaches to how businesses innovate whilst communicating and adhering to their own values. A key tenet of his work is to advocate for a form of humility that encourages us to bring in voices from different backgrounds where we find gaps in our own understandings. The results are ways of working grounded in meaningful collaborations across organisational departments and with different stakeholders.Ismael’s work in responsible AI has meant developing AI frameworks and practices across sectors, from charities and universities, to standards development organisations and government bodies. Underpinning all his work is Kairoi’s AI Ethics Canvas and the Four Pillars of Responsible AI for organisational practices: better communications, relevant technical standards, meaningful public engagement and robust governance.  SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Ismael Kherroubi Garcia explore the complexities of artificial intelligence and its ethical implications. They discuss Ismael's journey into AI ethics, the importance of defining AI, and the need for public engagement through storytelling. The conversation highlights the challenges of data quality, the risks of deploying AI without proper consideration, and the societal pressures surrounding AI adoption. They emphasise the role of organisations in shaping responsible AI practices and the necessity of critical thinking in the face of AI hype.WEBSITEShttps://kairoi.uk/  https://weandai.org/https://www.turing.ac.uk/https://www.linkedin.com/in/ismaelkherroubi/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) – Dr. Emily M. Bender & Dr. Alex HannaAI Snake Oil (https://www.aisnakeoil.com/) – Prof. Arvind Narayanan & Sayash KapoorCHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to AI and Ethics05:03 Defining AI: Tools and Research11:00 Using Stories to Engage with AI17:06 The Role of AI in Creativity23:05 The Alienation of Work and AI37:50 AI Tools and Their Impact on Society49:53 Challenges in AI Deployment01:00:26 Navigating AI in the Workplace

Today I speak with Neil Lawrence, the inaugural DeepMind Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Cambridge, a senior AI Fellow at The Alan Turing Institute, and visiting Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Sheffield.Co-host of Talking Machines, Neil has over 20 years’ experience in machine learning models, and his technical expertise focuses on uncertainty and machine learning methods. Having recently returned to academia after three years as Director of Machine Learning at Amazon, Neil now leads Cambridge University’s flagship mission on AI, ai@cam – and his new book, The Atomic Human, seeks to reset the conversation around artificial intelligence, contrasting our capabilities with machine intelligence, and revealing the technical origins, capabilities and limitations of AI systems, and how they should be wielded.With the increased impact of machine learning in society, in particular its use as the principal technology underpinning modern artificial intelligence, Neil has also become interested in the public understanding and policy decisions of machine learning, and the implications for data governance.As well as his departmental roles he serves on the board of the conference AISTATS and the ELLIS Foundation, and as the founding and series editor for the Proceedings of Machine Learning Research. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai speaks with Neil Lawrence about the implications of artificial intelligence on society, democracy, and human agency. They explore the risks of digital tyranny, the importance of understanding machine learning, and the need for effective legislation to ensure online safety. Lawrence introduces the concept of the 'Atomic Human,' emphasizing the unique qualities that define humanity in the face of advancing technology. In this conversation, the speakers explore the quest for meaning in a world increasingly dominated by technology and productivity metrics. They discuss the intersection of technology and spirituality, emphasizing the importance of human experience and connection. The dialogue also addresses the challenges faced by modern society, including the need for optimism and empowerment in the face of existential threats. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the necessity of finding beauty and meaning in everyday life, even during dark times. WEBSITEhttps://inverseprobability.com/https://ai.cam.ac.uk/BOOKS & RESOURCESBook: The Atomic Human – Neil Lawrence (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455130/the-atomic-human-by-lawrence-neil-d/9780241625248)Research: Proceedings of Machine Learning Research - https://proceedings.mlr.press/  Podcast: https://www.thetalkingmachines.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to AI and Human Agency02:40 The State of Democracy and Digital Tyranny10:48 The Impact of Digital Tools on Society17:36 Legislation and Online Safety22:29 The Atomic Human: Understanding Our Unique Qualities40:15 The Quest for Meaning in a Technological Age49:13 The Intersection of Technology and Spirituality57:40 Navigating the Challenges of Modern Society01:12:47 Finding Optimism in Dark Times

In this conversation, I speak with Dr. Margaret Heffernan – a renowned entrepreneur, CEO, keynote speaker and author, and professor of Practice at the University of Bath’s School of Management.Having produced programmes for the BBC in the UK for 13 years, Margaret moved to the US where she spearheaded multimedia productions for Intuit, The Learning Company and Standard & Poors. She was Chief Executive of InfoMation Corporation, ZineZone Corporation and then iCast Corporation, was named one of the “Top 25” by Streaming Media magazine and one of the “Top 100 Media Executives” by The Hollywood Reporter. Lead Faculty for the Forward Institute’s Responsible Leadership Programme, Margaret also mentors CEOs and senior executives of major global organizations through Merryck & Co., and she chairs the board of DACS.The author of seven books, Margaret’s third book, Willful Blindness : Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril was named one of the most important business books of the decade by the Financial Times. In 2015, she was awarded the Transmission Prize for A Bigger Prize: Why Competition isn’t Everything and How We Do Better, which was described as “meticulously researched…engagingly written…universally relevant and hard to fault.” Her TED talks have been seen by over 13 million people and in 2015 TED published Beyond Measure: The Big Impact of Small Changes.Her penultimate book, Uncharted: How to map the future was published in 2020, and quickly became a bestseller – not only was it nominated for the Financial Times Best Business Book award, it was also one of Bloomberg’s Best Books of 2021 and was chosen as the “Medium Best of the Best” business book. In 2024, she was inducted into the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame, in recognition of her lasting impact on management thinking.Her new book, Embracing Uncertainty - How Writers, Musicians & Artists Thrive in an Unpredictable World, has just been published, and it’s some of these poignant themes that we’ll be exploring in our conversation today. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Margaret Heffernan discuss navigating uncertainty in our data-driven world, emphasizing imagination and creativity in leadership. Their dialogue explores the value of taking time to think and balancing thought with action, while highlighting how diverse experiences foster creativity. They advocate for embracing unpredictability rather than seeking certainty, and examine the complex relationship between AI, creativity, and human experience. The conversation touches on how neoliberal economics has affected individualism and artistic expression, while emphasizing the importance of personal anchors, literature, and art. Throughout their exchange, they reflect on finding meaning through curiosity and rest, and the significance of making small but meaningful contributions to humanity, illustrated by the hummingbird parable. Their conversation ultimately explores how we can flourish amid uncertainty by nurturing creativity and maintaining meaningful connections.WEBSITESwww.mheffernan.comTED Talks: https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_heffernan_the_human_skills_we_need_in_an_unpredictable_worldBOOKSEmbracing Uncertainty - How writers, musicians & artists thrive in an unpredictable world – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-embracinguncertainty.php)Willful Blindness : Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-wilfulblindness.php)A Bigger Prize: Why Competition isn’t Everything and How We Do Better – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-abiggerprize.php)Beyond Measure: The Big Impact of Small Changes – Margaret Heffernan / TED (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-beyondmeasure.php)Uncharted: How to map the future – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-uncharted.php)CHAPTERS00:00 Navigating Uncertainty in the Global Psyche02:59 The Role of Creativity in a Data-Driven World05:50 Embracing Imagination and Unpredictability09:07 The Importance of Thinking Time11:59 The Need for Action in Leadership14:56 Balancing Thought and Action17:56 Cultivating Creativity in a Technological Age20:59 Finding Meaning in Diverse Experiences23:59 The Art of Time Management31:34 Crafting a Creative Routine33:05 The Nature of Creativity and AI41:05 The Human Experience in Art47:35 Navigating Uncertainty and Creativity52:54 The Impact of Neoliberal Economics on Creativity57:37 Embracing Change and Unpredictability

As we approach the longest night in the North, I’m delighted to share with you what has become a cherished tradition of reflection, contemplation, and looking ahead to the year to come. In this conversation, I rejoin Manda Scott and Della Duncan for a collaborative midwinter offering from myself, Accidental Gods, and the Upstream Podcast. From the questions we’re holding and the highlight’s we’re taking from the year, to the gifts we’d like to share with one another and with you as we cross the threshold into 2025, this is a ritual that I’ve come to really look forward to, and I hope you find it as uplifting as I do. As always, Manda will close with a guided solstice meditation, the 7 Generations Perspective, which you can find over at Accidental Gods. To introduced my companions… Manda Scott is a novelist, podcaster and smallholder. Formerly a veterinary surgeon, Manda’s novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award and has won the McIlvanney Prize. She is host of the Accidental Gods podcast, which showcases individuals and organisations at the emerging edge of our world, to set the foundation for a future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. We’re joined by Della Duncan, a Renegade Economist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is a co-host of the Upstream Podcast, a Right Livelihood Coach, a faculty member at the California Institute of Integral Studies, a Senior Fellow at the London School of Economics, a founding member of the California Doughnut Economics Coalition, and the designer and co-facilitator of the Cultivating Regenerative Livelihood Course at Gaia Education. This is always a special episode for me, and I’m very grateful to be able to dive into conversation with these two brilliant women. I hope you find it inviting and inspiring, and I wish you a peaceful Winter Solstice and a fruitful new year. SUMMARY In this enlightening conversation, Manda Scott, Della Duncan, and Nathalie Nahai reflect on their podcasting journey over the past year, sharing insights on the themes of conscious evolution, anti-capitalism, and the ethical implications of technology. They explore the importance of community, personal growth, and the interconnectedness of all life, while also addressing the urgent need for systemic change in the face of ecological and social crises. The discussion culminates in a collective inquiry into how to foster a more compassionate and equitable world, emphasizing the role of individual and collective action in shaping a sustainable future.  KEY THEMES ·      The role of imperialism in capitalism·      The importance of community and connection in activism·      Conscious evolution requires a shift in values and worldview·      Understanding the complexities of technology and its impact on society·      The need for systemic change to address ecological crises·      Personal practices can help maintain balance and well-being·      Recognizing the interconnectedness of all life is crucial·      Anti-capitalist strategies must consider the implications for all·      Art and creativity are essential in the age of AI·      Hope and resilience can emerge from collective action  WEBSITESManda·      https://mandascott.co.uk/·      https://accidentalgods.life/·      https://thrutopia.life/·      https://thrutopia.life/ Della·      https://caldec.org/·      https://www.upstreampodcast.org/·      https://www.dellazduncan.com/  RESOURCES ·      Down the Rabbit Hole: https://charliebennettauthor.co.uk/shop·      Transformative Adaptation: https://shop.permaculture.co.uk/products/transformative-adaptation·      How to Be an An Anticapitalist in the Twenty-first Century: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/933-how-to-be-an-anticapitalist-in-the-twenty-first-century?srsltid=AfmBOoq4Q9LtVqpS7BkvtrBsQwBW3eHwnbD9SKoDXxt-rT9_2BL1DdE·      God, Human, Animal, Machine: https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/god-human-animal-machine-technology-metaphor-and-the-search-for-meaning-meghan-o-gieblyn/5885978?ean=9780525562719The Psychological Drivers of the MetaCrisis: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-psychological-drivers-of-the-metacrisis/id1680606350?i=1000639851812

In this final episode of the season, I speak with Joanna Kavenna - an English novelist, essayist and travel writer of Welsh extraction, who has written six books which explore themes of history, travel, reality and society.Having grown up in Britain, and lived in the US, France, Germany, China, Sri Lanka, Scandinavia, Italy and the Baltic states, Joanna is the author of several critically acclaimed works of fiction and nonfiction, including The Ice Museum, Inglorious, Come to the Edge, A Field Guide to Reality and – most recently - Zed. Her novel Inglorious won the Orange Award for New Writing, and her novel The Birth of Love was longlisted for the Orange Prize.Joanna’s writing has appeared in The New Yorker, London Review of Books, The New York Times and many other publications, and she was named as one of the Telegraph’s Best Writers under 40 in 2010 and as one of Granta's Best of Young British Novelists in 2013. She has also held the Alistair Horne Fellowship at St Antony’s College Oxford and the Harper-Wood at St John’s College Cambridge.I first came across Joanna at a philosophy festival in London over the summer, called How The Light Gets In, and I had the pleasure of hearing her speak on a panel about technology, society and the future. I was mesmerised by her shimmering, constellated and poetic way of thinking and speaking, and I couldn’t resist asking if she might join me on the show. Luckily for me (and for you) she said yes, and I’m excited to share this wide-ranging conversation with you today! SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the historical implications of technological advancements, the ethical considerations surrounding data usage, and the importance of agency and cognitive liberty. We touch on the nature of reality, the search for beauty in dark times, and the need for hope and resilience amidst societal challenges. Ultimately, we emphasise the necessity for participatory democracy and ethical frameworks in shaping the future of technology. KEY THEMES·      AI is a reflection of the global human psyche.·      The historical context of technology influences art and society.·      Data usage without consent raises ethical concerns.·      Emerging technologies can lead to both progress and peril.·      Agency is crucial in navigating a tech-driven world.·      Cognitive liberty is essential for personal autonomy.·      AI can simulate human interaction but lacks true consciousness.·      Reality is often distorted by technological representations.·      Finding beauty in everyday moments can foster resilience.·      Hope is vital in facing the challenges of modern life. WEBSITEShttp://www.joannakavenna.com/ BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESZed – Joanna Kavenna (http://www.joannakavenna.com/zed/)We – Eugene Zamiatin (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/76171.We)Picnic Comma Lightning – Laurence Scott (https://amzn.to/4fKGnpW)History for Tomorrow – Roman Krznaric (https://amzn.to/3YOGtWI)Panel on AI ethics – https://royalinstitutephilosophy.org/event/is-ethical-ai-a-fantasy/ MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the Global Human Psyche05:52 Historical Context of Technology and Art11:54 Cognitive Liberty and Data Privacy17:30 The Role of Participatory Democracy23:09 The Future of Human Interaction with Technology30:21 The Humanization of AI and Its Implications36:52 Chaos, Control, and the Essence of Being Human43:07 The Dangers of Digital Gaslighting50:18 Legislative Change and the Fight for Digital Rights56:41 Surveillance Technology and Control01:03:41 The Future of Technology and Society

This week, I’m speaking with Elliott Young, the Chief Technology Officer at Dell Technologies for EMEA, whose role focuses on supporting chief experience officers in leveraging Generative AI for business results. Having been a pilot, a solutions architect, and a consultant, he now leads the development of cutting-edge AI and multicloud strategies to drive digital transformation across industries.With a focus on simplifying AI and cloud adoption within business transformations, Elliott and his team work to help companies of all sizes - from large enterprises to mid-sized organisations - not only to optimise and create a competitive advantage with Generative AI, but also to develop entirely new business models that embrace this technology.With all of the conferences I’ve had the privilege of speaking at this year, exploring the complex place at which promise and perils of AI meet the hopes and fears of humanity, I was excited to have this opportunity to dig into some of the business challenges and applications that AI offers us in this moment.I’m also delighted to say that I’ll be speaking on a panel at Dell Technologies Forum in London, on the 26th November, and I’d love it if you’d join me.If you’re curious about innovation and the role AI plays in driving technological advancements, or you want to learn more about how AI-integrated solutions can reveal deeper insights from data, enhance productivity and inspire new ways of doing business, this is for you.Join me in London on Tuesday the 26th November, where I’ll be bringing a humanistic perspective as to how we can harness AI in a way that enriches and supports our individual and collective agency, wellbeing and the flourishing of healthy organisational cultures.The link to register is in the shownotes below: https://bit.ly/DTF_NNSUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the intersection of emerging technologies, particularly generative AI, and its implications for society, business, and governance. We discuss the rapid advancements in technology showcased at Gitex and the responsibilities of businesses in implementing these technologies responsibly, as well as the challenges of keeping up with the pace of change, ensuring oversight in complex systems, and navigating the Gartner hype cycle. As well as practical strategies organisations can adopt to effectively integrate AI into their operations, we also discuss the transformative potential of generative AI across various sectors, particularly healthcare, from the integration of AI in existing systems, to the role of robotic process automation, and the importance of resilience in digital infrastructures. KEY THEMES• Generative AI is reshaping how we think about technology and its applications.• Emerging technologies can enable communities to leapfrog traditional infrastructures.• The role of businesses in responsible tech is crucial for societal impact.• Organisations must prioritize ongoing education about AI for their employees.• Trusting employees with access to AI tools can foster innovation.• The Gartner hype cycle illustrates the fluctuating expectations of AI technologies.• Implementing 'hero AI' can demonstrate the potential of generative AI to employees.• Oversight mechanisms are necessary to ensure responsible AI usage.• Robotic process automation serves as a bridge for AI integration.• Organisations need robust backup plans for digital failures.• AI agents will transform job roles and responsibilities.WEBSITEShttps://bit.ly/DTF_NNBOOKS & OTHER RESOURCEShttps://www.gitex.com/MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Emerging Technologies at Gitex03:10 The Global Human Psyche and AI06:04 Generative AI: Opportunities and Challenges08:55 Business Responsibilities in Tech11:45 Oversight and Transparency in AI15:08 The Hype Cycle of Generative AI18:00 Implementing AI in Organisations23:47 Exploring Generative AI in Business Processes30:03 The Role of AI in Crisis Management35:14 Navigating the Future of Work with AI41:40 Harnessing AI for Societal Benefits

Today I’m in conversation with Tami Rosen - a recognised thought leader, influencer and senior executive in HR, who has spent her career transforming the impact of Human Resources as a senior executive for some of the world’s most recognized companies, including Goldman Sachs, Apple, Luminar Technologies, Atlassian, and, most recently, Pagaya, where she currently holds the title of Chief People Officer and leads a dynamic workforce of over 750+ across Israel and the United States.Passionate about philanthropy, coaching, mentoring and helping the future generation of leaders, Tami embodies a leadership style steeped in inclusivity and innovation. She has pioneered groundbreaking initiatives focused on the advancement of underrepresented communities, from establishing Wall Street's inaugural, award-winning LGBTQ+ Ally Program at Goldman Sachs, to designing the framework for Atlassian's 'TEAM Anywhere' program that has redefined remote work paradigms. Her contribution to Pagaya is cemented in the company's foundational value: 'Culture of Learning,' which centralises learning and education in all aspects of the organisation.Tami's visionary perspective goes beyond viewing people as a company's most valuable asset; instead, she sees HR as a disruptive technology and innovative force that drives business operations and capabilities beyond the imaginable. Her forward-thinking approach positions HR as a catalyst for transformative change, shaping the future of organizations – which is exactly what drew me to speaking with her today.SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the importance of embracing change and fostering a culture of continuous learning within organisations. Tami also discusses the role of AI in enhancing financial inclusion, while acknowledging the challenges and ethical considerations that come with its implementation. The conversation touches on the significance of feedback, resilience, and the need for human connection in the workplace, ultimately framing flourishing as a personal journey guided by one's passions and adaptability.KEY THEMES·      Embracing change can lead to opportunities.·      Continuous learning is essential for personal and organizational growth.·      AI can enhance financial inclusion but comes with challenges.·      People strategy must align with business strategy for success.·      Feedback is a crucial tool for personal development.·      Resilience is built through learning from failures.·      Flourishing requires a clear sense of direction and control.·      Flexibility in work arrangements is increasingly expected.·      Music and the arts can provide solace and inspiration during tough times.WEBSITEShttps://pagaya.com/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESSong Exploder (Podcast) - https://bit.ly/4aQ3HAeMUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS06:03 Challenges and Embracing Change12:02 Pagaya: Using AI to Make Financial Opportunities More Accessible16:06 Challenges and Pitfalls of AI in Finance21:27 AI's Impact on Creativity and Imagination24:12 Flourishing in a Time of Acceleration and Disruption27:03 The Impact of AI on Jobs and Business Longevity31:24 Mistakes Tech Companies Make in Business Longevity34:48 Creating Cultures that Enable People to Flourish37:19 Flexibility in Work Schedules39:00 Balancing Employee Care and Business Continuity39:41 Humanizing Tech and Setting Expectations40:43 Creating a Learning Culture42:33 Exploring AI and Embracing its Potential43:55 The Role of AI in Personal and Professional Growth46:48 The Value of Feedback and Self-Reflection48:18 Practices for Navigating Turmoil52:36 Orienting Towards Life and Beauty on Dark Days53:51 Finding Freedom in Music and Creativity54:54 Roots and Anchors: Family and Living Each Day

This week, I have the pleasure of interviewing Roman Krznaric, a social philosopher, writer, and public intellectual who writes about the power of ideas to create change. A former political scientist, Roman has become a leading voice in the realm of practical philosophy, urging individuals and societies to prioritise future generations in our decision-making.A Senior Research Fellow at Oxford University’s Centre for Eudaimonia and Human Flourishing, and co-founder of The School of Life, Roman is also the founder of the world’s first Empathy Museum, a series of participatory art projects dedicated to helping us look at the world through other people’s eyes.Renowned for his work on empathy and long-term thinking, Roman’s writing has been widely influential amongst political and ecological campaigners, education reformers, social entrepreneurs and designers, and he has been featured in major media outlets from the The Guardian and BBC to The New York Times.A member of the Club of Rome and a Research Fellow of the Long Now Foundation, Roman’s latest book, History for Tomorrow: Inspiration from the Past for the Future of Humanity (2024), explores how lessons from the past can inspire new ways of thinking about the future to guide more ethical, regenerative actions.I first came across Roman’s work a few years ago through his best-selling book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World (2020), and I found it so moving and capivating that I really wanted to bring him onto the show today to share his insights and vision with you.SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the interconnectedness of time and humanity, and the role of radical revolt and Asabiya in societal change. We discuss the impact of technology on social connections, the importance of biophilia, conviviality and crisis response, and the necessity of transformative change through disruptive movements. Our dialogue emphasises the need for hope, meaning, and the reweaving of social fabric in a rapidly changing world.KEY THEMES·      The global human psyche is interconnected with the planetary psyche.·      Understanding our relationship with time is crucial for societal progress.·      Radical revolts have historically led to significant societal changes.·      Technology can both exacerbate and alleviate societal issues.·      Reweaving social connections is essential for community resilience.·      Biophilia fosters a deeper connection with the living world.·      Crisis response is vital for navigating contemporary challenges.·      Disruptive movements are necessary for transformative change.·      Hope can be drawn from historical successes in overcoming crises.·      Meaningful life is built on relationships, autonomy, and purpose. WEBSITEShttps://www.romankrznaric.com/ BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESHistory For Tomorrow – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/history-for-tomorrow)The Good Ancestor – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/good-ancestor)Carpe Diem – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/carpe-diem-regained)Time Rebels – VPRO Documentary (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpmHKpyqpcU&ab_channel=vprodocumentary) MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the Global Human Psyche02:32 The Interconnectedness of Life05:36 Temporal Intelligence and Our Relationship with Time08:28 Radical Revolt and Societal Change11:33 The Role of Technology in Change14:48 Art and Creativity as Catalysts for Change17:50 Building Community and Social Fabric20:42 Biophilia and Crisis Response23:33 Hope and Action in the Face of Adversity26:47 Rituals and Anchors in Daily Life29:35 Reflections on Change and Belonging32:44 The Importance of Connection and Solidarity35:39 Navigating Change and Finding Purpose38:30 The Power of Disruption and Collective Action41:46 Lessons from History for Future Generations44:40 Final Thoughts on Being a Good Ancestor

On this episode of In Conversation, I speak with Stephen Markley – an American journalist, screenwriter and author whose gripping novels explore the tangled political, economic and environmental issues we face across the world today.Born and raised in Mount Vernon, Ohio, Stephen’s Midwestern roots permeate his writing, and his debut novel, Ohio, garnered critical acclaim for its vivid portrayal of a Rust Belt town and its residents grappling with the aftermath of the Iraq War, economic decline, and personal trauma.In 2023, he published The Deluge, an ambitious behemoth of a novel set in the near future, which tackles the urgent issue of climate change and its manifold impacts on society. Described by Stephen King  as “prophetic, terrifying, uplifting”, it was named by The New York Times as one of the 100 Notable Books of 2023, and reviewed as “realistic and nuanced, grim but playful.”Having been interviewed on Late Night with Seth Myers and at book launches by Chris Pine, Robbie Orvis and Dan Fogelman, Stephen has become one of the leading literary figures in the US and beyond to give voice to the complicated, distressing and at times redemptive forces at play in the scientific, climatic and geopolitical realms.This was a provocative, thoughtful and surprising conversation for me, and I hope you find it both sobering and uplifting.SUMMARYThe conversation explores the global human psyche in the face of the climate crisis and the role of literature in inspiring action. It dives into the importance of finding joy and hope amidst the challenges, the power of community and face-to-face interactions, and the dangers of social media and surveillance capitalism. We also touch on the potential of technology, the need for a balance between hope and fear, and the role of culture in shaping our perspectives. We talk about Stephen’s most recent book, 'The Deluge,' and how it address the ways in which we might navigate the current crisis and create a more just and prosperous future. As both of us are authors (albeit of different genres), we talk about the psychological toll of writing about challenging topics, the importance of finding joy and balance in life, and the power of creativity. We also explore the need for humility and open-mindedness in conversations, the value of boredom and imagination, and the impact of the attention economy on our mental well-being.KEY THEMES•  Finding joy and hope is crucial in the face of the climate crisis.•  Community and face-to-face interactions play a vital role in addressing the challenges.•  Social media and surveillance capitalism have negatively impacted our sense of community and purpose.•  Technology, such as AI, can be both beneficial and authoritarian, requiring careful consideration.•  Literature and culture have the power to emotionally engage and inspire action.•  Balancing hope and fear is essential in motivating people to address the climate crisis. Writing about challenging topics can take a psychological toll, and it's important to find joy and balance in life.•  Creativity is a powerful tool for self-expression and personal growth, regardless of whether it becomes a career.•  The attention economy and constant connectivity can negatively impact our mental well-being, and it's important to create boundaries and cultivate boredom and imagination.•  Humility and open-mindedness are essential in conversations, as they allow for growth and understanding.•  Diverse perspectives and questioning assumptions are vital for personal and societal growth.•  Finding hope and reflecting on the long view of history can provide perspective and motivation in challenging times. WEBSITEShttps://www.stephenmarkley.com/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESThe Deluge – Stephen Markley (https://www.stephenmarkley.com/the-deluge)Ohio – Stephen Markley (https://www.stephenmarkley.com/ohio)Tales of Iceland – Stephen Markley (https://www.stephenmarkley.com/tales-of-iceland)Publish This Book – Stephen Markley (https://www.stephenmarkley.com/publish-this-book)MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the Global Human Psyche12:07 Finding Joy and Hope in the Midst of Challenges18:43 The Dangers of Social Media and Surveillance Capitalism21:52 The Potential and Pitfalls of Technology26:31 The Role of Literature and Culture in Inspiring Action29:22 Animating Science and Balancing Hope and Fear31:42 The Motivations Behind Writing 'The Deluge'35:20 The Psychological Toll of Writing and Finding Joy in Life41:21 Humility and Open-Mindedness in Conversations45:52 The Impact of the Attention Economy on Mental Well-being51:25 The Intrinsic Rewards of Creative Pursuits55:00 Diverse Perspectives and Questioning Assumptions01:01:29 Finding Hope and Reflecting on the Long View of History

Today I’m in conversation with Rachel Donald, an investigative journalist and activist dedicated to uncovering the root causes of global crises and advocating for change.With a background in managing international teams and teaching media and journalism at French universities, Rachel’s work focuses on what she terms "climate corruption"—the exploitation of natural resources at the expense of the environment and marginalised communities.Driven by a passion for climate advocacy, combating corruption, and storytelling, Rachel is perhaps best-known for her compelling podcast ‘Planet Critical’, a powerful series that explores pressing issues surrounding global energy, economics, and ecology.Her work and writing have featured in major publications, often serving to illuminate the gaslighting tactics that sustain exploitative systems, and her articles serve to connect the dots into a broader, more complex and complete narrative.A sought-after speaker at conferences, Rachel is currently authoring her debut book on the theme of violence, drawing from her extensive experience in print, online, and radio journalism.This episode has been a while in the making, but I’m really delighted to be able to share this conversation with you today. And if you’d like to find out more about Rachel’s work, check out her podcast and writing, the links for which are in the shownotes below.SUMMARYIn this episode of In Conversation, we explore the concept of flourishing and the risks and opportunities facing us in the world today. From eco-fascism, authoritarianism, and the dangers of unregulated AI, to decreasing crop yields and mass migration, we discuss the need for adaptation and resilience in the face of a rapidly changing world.We also shed light on the green shoots of change, including the use of social media for radical information sharing ,the embrace of local economies and sustainable practices, and the need for social friction and curiosity in order to create connections and foster hope.Rachel raises some thoughtful, provocative challenges to the ways in which we love one another under patriarchy, and unpacks the lack of language and understanding around love. We also explore the importance of understanding where traditions and societal norms come from and how we might better understand and align our actions with the values we hold dear. KEY THEMES•  The global human psyche is experiencing a recognition of pain and empathy, leading to a desire for change and a sense of global scream.•  Flourishing involves a willingness to embrace decay and death as part of a cycle, and to accept the otherness that comes with it.•  The risks in the world include eco-fascism, authoritarianism, and the dangers of unregulated AI.•  Adaptation and resilience are necessary in the face of challenges such as decreasing crop yields and mass migration.•  Shoots of hope can be found in the use of social media for radical information sharing and the embrace of local economies and sustainable practices. Building relationships and engaging in meaningful conversations are essential for creating connections and fostering hope.•  Social friction and curiosity are important for generating newness, creativity, and love.•  Loving one another under patriarchy is challenging due to power dynamics and the lack of understanding and language around love.•  Understanding the origins of traditions and aligning actions with values can lead to more fulfilling relationships.•  On dark days, finding beauty and resilience in laughter, feeling deeply, and holding the bigger picture can provide strength and hope. WEBSITEShttps://www.planetcritical.com/  https://substack.com/@racheldonaldBOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESPlanet Critical Podcast - https://bit.ly/3W7JNwnCommunion: The Female Search For Love - Bell Hooks - https://bit.ly/3W7NnXlCHAPTERS00:00 Introduction and Global Human Psyche02:52 Navigating Pain and Uncertainty03:47 Collective Reflection and Collaboration05:41 Finding Resilience and Coping with Overwhelm07:07 Returning to Core Values and Love08:38 Defining and Cultivating Flourishing11:02 Embracing Change and Impermanence14:32 Death and Rebirth15:05 Adapting to Risks and Mitigating Impacts16:03 Opportunities and Green Shoots17:53 Adapting to Change in Industrialized Countries19:36 Shifting Culture and Subverting Atomization20:32 Taking Risks and Experimenting with Love25:29 Finding Beauty and Wholeness on Dark Days27:29 Rest and Anchoring29:23 Pivotal Stories, Quotes, and Ideas34:37 Feeling Alive and Free35:59 How Rachel Rests43:35 Communicating with Young Rachel44:34 Roots and Anchors45:46 Resting and Anchoring48:34 Shifting Power Dynamics in Relationships50:49 Taking Risks and Experimenting with Love52:21 Finding Freedom and Aliveness56:00 Vision for the Future of Humanity57:54 Question to Dwell With

Today I speak with Dr Matthew Zylstra, a systems ecologist passionate about deepening the human-nature relationship for the flourishing of people and planet.With an MSc in Environmental Science (2005) and PhD in Conservation Ecology & Sustainability Education (2014), his doctorate research explored how meaningful nature experiences and nature connectedness motivate pro-environmental behaviour and regenerative leadership. Drawing upon his 20 years of international experience in social-ecological research and outdoor education, Matthew’s publications have informed global initiatives and university curricula.Currently the Programme Director with the Kwendalo Institute, Matthew is also Scientific Advisor to NatureFix, and is a Research Fellow with the Centre for Sustainability Transitions at Stellenbosch University. For more on Matthew’s past research and current endeavours, you can check out earthcollective.net SUMMARYIn this conversation, we touch on nature connection, the power of mystical experience and how this can bring a deeper meaning to our lives. We explore the idea that humanity is facing a reckoning with its relationship with one another and the Earth, and discuss the fragmentation and desensitization of the human psyche, particularly in relation to technology and the attention economy.Matt talks about the NatureFix app, which aims to make nature connection more accessible and encourages engagement with the natural world, and we touch on the importance of feeling safe and comfortable in nature and the potential for awe and wonder in wild spaces.We discuss the idea that our mode of consciousness is not universal, that our perception of the world is shaped by our cultural and individual backgrounds, and the role of ceremony and mindfulness in deepening our connection with nature and the potential for a post-economic paradigm that values localisation, autonomy, and our relationship with nature. KEY THEMES• Humanity is facing a reckoning with its relationship with one another and the Earth.• The human psyche is fragmented, distracted, and desensitized, particularly in relation to technology and the attention economy.• The NatureFix app aims to make nature connection more accessible and encourages engagement with the natural world.• Feeling safe and comfortable in nature is important for deepening our connection with the natural world.• Wild spaces offer the potential for awe and wonder, but also require a sense of openness and willingness to embrace the unknown. Our mode of consciousness is not universal and our perception of the world is shaped by our cultural and individual backgrounds.• Ceremony and mindfulness can deepen our connection with nature and bring a sense of reverence and meaning to our experiences.• A post-economic paradigm could involve localization, autonomy, and a shift in values to prioritize our relationship with nature.• Taking time to sit in nature and observe can help us reconnect with the joy and beauty that is always present.• Our actions, even if seemingly insignificant, can contribute to a shift in consciousness and the preservation of our connection with nature.WEBSITEShttps://bio.site/drmattzhttps://www.naturefix.life/https://earthcollective.net/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESJourney to Ixtlan: The Lessons of Don Juan - Carlos Castaneda (https://amzn.to/46LAg1n)Doctoral Thesis - Connectedness as a Core Conservation Concern: An Interdisciplinary Review of Theory and a Call for Practice | Springer Science Reviews (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40362-014-0021-3)The Enchanted Life - Sharon Blackie (https://amzn.to/3X9bWlR)The Celestine Prophecy - James Redfield (https://amzn.to/4dsEA8g)The Invisible Gorilla - Christopher Chabris & Daniel Simons (https://amzn.to/3yuxkK0)CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage01:05 Exploring the Global Human Psyche02:25 Defining Flourishing and Nature Connection06:02 The Fragmentation and Desensitization of the Human Psyche09:29 Desensitization and Scroll Consciousness18:45 Introducing the NatureFix App26:43 The Importance of Feeling Safe and Comfortable in Nature28:59 Embracing the Wild: Awe and Wonder in Nature34:18 The Role of Attention and Perception37:41 Ceremony and Mindfulness41:28 Exploring a Post-Economic Paradigm47:44 Bringing Ceremony into Daily Life51:36 Ceremonial Consciousness in Unexpected Places

Today I have the real pleasure of speaking with a cherished friend and inspiration, Manda Scott. She’s a best-selling author, teacher and host of the fantastic podcast, Accidental Gods, and has written about historical fiction, shamanic practice and emerging, thrutopian futures.A beloved author, perhaps best known for her Boudica: Dreaming series, Manda’s also a smallholder and formerly worked as a veterinary surgeon. Her novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award, and she has won the McIlvanney Prize.If you’ve been following her work, you’ll know that she has very recently released an extraordinary new book: Any Human Power, a shimmering clarion call that dreams into being a new mythology of interpersonal power, eco-societal agency and democratic governance.I was lucky enough to get my hands on an advanced copy, and I couldn’t put it down. And so, especially in the light of the recent UK elections, I wanted to interview her about her vision for a new, life-affirming way of interbeing that enables us to move into more regenerative, participatory and agentic systems of governance, relating and nature-connection.If you’re not yet familiar with Manda’s work, do listen to some of the Solstice specials we’ve recorded over the years along with Della Duncan, they’re beautiful episodes that give you a more intimate look into the ways of dreaming, thinking and being that Manda offers.SUMMARYIn this conversation, I speak with the brilliant Manda Scott about her compelling new book - Any Human Power - and the many ways in which we can harness our social, imaginal and political agency to create pathways towards a more flourishing future for all.From the concept of initiation culture and trauma culture, to the importance of grounding and centering practices, we discuss the challenges of navigating our modern contexts how we might cultivate healthier, more connected states of being. We touch on the concept of interbecoming and the value systems that may lead to emergence, along with the importance of gratitude, compassion, and joyful curiosity.We also discuss the concept of death as a rite of passage and the need to reimagine our relationship with mortality, and dive into the power of intention and the creation of rituals and relationships that foster resilience and agency.KEY THEMESHow to harness our social, imaginal and political agency to create pathways towards a more flourishing future for allHow to identify and overcome Wetiko, the sickness of exploitationInitiation culture and trauma cultureThe importance of grounding and centering practicesInter-becoming and value systems that lead to emergenceGratitude, compassion, and joyful curiosityConnectedness and trust in the web of lifeDeath as a rite of passage and reimagining our relationship with mortalityThe power of intention and the creation of ritualsWEBSITEShttps://mandascott.co.uk/https://accidentalgods.life/https://thrutopia.life/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESAny Human Power - Manda Scott (https://linktr.ee/anyhumanpower)The Others Within Us: Internal Family Systems, Porous Mind, and Spirit Possession - Robert Falconer (https://amzn.to/3YLStK2)Of Water and the Spirit: Ritual, Magic, and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman - Malidoma Patrice Some (https://amzn.to/4deVoQ3)Humankind: A Hopeful History - Rutger Bregman (https://amzn.to/3yp9b7B)History for Tomorrow: Inspiration from the Past for the Future of Humanity - Roman Krznaric ( https://amzn.to/3SE9PVl)Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants -Robin Wall Kimmerer (https://amzn.to/3Ahcr5x)Right Story, Wrong Story: Adventures in Indigenous Thinking Paperback - Tyson Yunkaporta (https://amzn.to/46XuERX)Plurality: The Future of Collaborative Technology and Democracy - E. Glen Weyl & Audrey Tang (https://amzn.to/3WGwrGf)Dreamworks Project - Sarah L Kent (https://www.sarahlkent.com/dreamworks-project)CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the global human psyche03:00 Initiation culture and trauma culture07:35 Grounding and centering practices20:10 Navigating social media29:43 Interbecoming and emergence36:20 Cultivating gratitude, compassion, and joyful curiosity50:20 Embracing death as a rite of passage54:39 The power of intention and rituals01:05:27 Imagining and building a future rooted in different values

In today’s conversation, I have the privilege of interviewing Daniel Christian Wahl - a distinguished biologist, holistic scientist, and expert in regenerative design. Daniel consults, educates, and advocates globally, working with prominent organisations like Ecover, Lush, and the UK Foresight. With a background as the former director of Findhorn College and affiliations with esteemed groups like the International Futures Forum and H3Uni, Daniel has been instrumental in shaping discussions on regenerative cultures. His contributions have earned him prestigious honors, including the Bicentenary Medal from the Royal Society for Arts, Manufacture, and Commerce, as well as a Volans Fellowship.Daniel co-authored Gaia Education's Design for Sustainability curriculum and penned the acclaimed book 'Designing Regenerative Cultures'. He also co-hosts the popular podcast 'Regeneration Rising' and manages a thriving blog on Medium.Since relocating in 2010, Daniel has resided in Mallorca, cultivating a Mediterranean regenerative food forest since 2022, which serves as a pioneering model for regenerative agroforestry on the island.SUMMARYIn this conversation, we discuss the concept of regenerative cultures and the need for a shift in our worldview, and explore the importance of understanding ourselves as part of nature and living in a kin-centric way. Daniel challenges the harmful ideologies of the growth imperative in our economic system and the separation of humans from the rest of the natural world, and discusses the need for experiential approaches to help people connect with nature and the challenges of making radical changes in a capitalistic society. We also touch on the Three Horizons framework (representing the status quo, the turbulent transition, and the regenerative future), and discuss its applications for innovation, culture change and in creating a regenerative future. KEY THEMESWe need to shift our worldview to see ourselves as part of nature and live in a kin-centric way.The growth imperative in our economic system is a dangerous ideology that needs to be challenged.Experiential approaches can help people connect with nature and shift their perspective.Making radical changes in a capitalistic society is challenging, but necessary for regenerative cultures.The Three Horizons framework is a useful tool for innovation and culture change. The Three Horizons framework provides a useful tool for navigating the transition from the status quo to a regenerative future.Different perspectives, such as the corporate manager, the visionary, and the entrepreneur, play important roles in driving change.Asking critical questions and suspending judgment are key to effectively using the Three Horizons framework.Building relationships, deepening community connections, and finding one's place are essential in times of change and uncertainty.WEBSITEShttps://www.danielchristianwahl.com/ https://designforsustainability.medium.com/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESDesigning Regenerative Cultures - Daniel Wahl (https://amzn.to/3UjfCBc)The Regenerative Revolution (https://bit.ly/3xQ0275)Presence Human Purpose and the Field of the Future - Senge, Peter M, Scharmer, C Otto, Jaworski, Joseph, Flowers, Betty Sue (https://amzn.to/3Wm1yX9)Design for Human and Planetary Health - A Holistic/Integral Approach to Complexity and Sustainability - (PDF) Daniel Christian Wahl, PhD (https://bit.ly/3SlQYyi)CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction and Podcasting02:34 The Global Human Psyche04:53 Flourishing and Regenerative Cultures06:43 Defining Regenerative Culture15:08 Challenging Harmful Ideologies22:31 Creating Experiences and Daily Life Pressures33:44 The Three Horizons Framework48:14 Regenerative Design and Asking Questions56:56 Opening Up to Life, Wholeness, and Beauty01:09:29 Navigating Change: Finding Community and Place

For the first episode in Season 13, I’m interviewing Dr Tom Chatfield on his latest book “Wise Animals: How technology has made us what we are" - a poignant, thought-provoking book that explores our shared evolution with the tools and technologies that have come to shape both us, and the world in which we live today.Rather than seeing technology as a threat, Tom proposes a deeply humanist perspective, one that offers a rich alternative to the more polarising opinions shaping public discourse around our fears and fascinations with AI. His thesis, that we are neither masters nor victims of our technologies, opens up a space to explore themes of agency, imagination, values and belonging, and touches upon some of the delusions we must shed if we are to chart a more flourishing path forward in collaboration with the technologies around us.If you haven’t come across his work, Dr. Tom Chatfield is a distinguished author and tech philosopher dedicated to enhancing our relationship with technology.With over thirty translated editions, Tom's non-fiction works like "How To Thrive in the Digital Age" and "Live This Book!" offer profound insights into digital culture, and he has developed bestselling critical thinking textbooks and online courses in collaboration with SAGE Publishing. Beyond his literary contributions, Tom serves as a seasoned Chair, Non-Executive Director, advisor, and speaker across both private and public sectors.He’s also contributed to shaping future skills and technology through his involvement in designing and presenting the Economist's groundbreaking business course, "Critical Thinking: Problem-solving and decision-making in a complex world."In addition to his non-fiction endeavors, Tom's debut novel, "This is Gomorrah," garnered critical acclaim, earning recognition as the Sunday Times thriller of the month and receiving prestigious literary awards such as the CWA Steel Dagger and France's Prix Douglas Kennedy. His diverse writing spans topics ranging from AI ethics to the philosophy of fake news, and reflects his multidisciplinary approach and commitment to fostering informed discourse on emerging technologies and societal issues.KEY THEMESThe delusions of inevitability and neutrality surrounding technology need to be resisted, and human agency should be emphasized.Technology is not inherently good or bad; its impact depends on how it is used and the values embedded within it.A more life-affirming future can be achieved through a focus on resilience, sustainability, and compassionate systems.The stories we tell and the values we embrace shape our relationship with technology and the world.Unintended consequences and unintended escalation can arise from technological advancements, and it is important to consider the broader implications and potential risks. Manipulation of attention is about someone else trying to define the terms of your relationship with the world.Understanding different perspectives is crucial in addressing the proliferation of misinformation and disinformation.The key to meaningful participation in something larger than ourselves is to find ways to make the riches of the past and present available and to pursue a purpose that belongs to us.Hope and beauty can be found in the simple acts of caring for others and engaging in activities that bring joy and fulfilment.Stories have the power to change the course of our lives and shape our understanding of the world.WEBSITEShttps://tomchatfield.net/OTHER RESOURCESWise Animals - Tom Chatfield How To Thrive in the Digital Age - Tom ChatfieldHow to Think: Your Essential Guide to Clear, Critical Thought - Tom ChatfieldThis is Gomorrah - Tom ChatfieldLive This Book! - Tom ChatfieldChapters00:00 Introduction and Authenticity05:08 Pressing Challenges and Concerns09:05 Wise Animals and the Co-evolution of Humans and Technology15:07 The Inextricable Link Between Humans and Technology36:26 Orienting Towards a Life-Affirming Future41:10 The Power of Stories and Values44:46 Navigating a Fragmented Media Landscape: The Importance of Cognitive Diversity48:06 The Dangers of Policing Truth and the Power of Understanding Different Perspectives52:20 Finding Hope and Beauty in an Age of AI and Systemic Change

For the last episode of the series, I speak with V (formerly known as Eve Ensler) - distinguished American playwright, performer and feminist, whose work and activism has positively impacted the lives of millions of women and people around the world.Renowned for her infamous play, The Vagina Monologues, a global phenomenon that has been published in 48 languages and performed in over 140 countries, V is also the author of The Apology, the New York Times bestseller I Am an Emotional Creature, the highly praised In the Body of the World, and her most recent book, Reckoning, which was just recently published.In 1998, V launched V-day, a global activist movement to end violence against women and girls, which has successfully raised over $100 million for local anti-violence groups and supported more than 13,000 community-based programs. Having founded One Billion Rising, the largest global mass action to end gender-based violence in over 200 countries, V is also the co-founder of the City of Joy, a revolutionary centre for women survivors of violence in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, alongside Christine Schuler Deschryver and 2018 Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr. Denis Mukwege.V’s groundbreaking work has earned her many accolades including the Isabelle Stevenson Award at the 2011 Tony Awards, and she has been named among Newsweek’s ‘150 Women Who Changed the World,’ and the Guardian’s ‘100 Most Influential Women’. Through her work and activism, V continues to shape the dialogue around social justice, women's rights, and our relationship with and as part of nature, and her creativity and fierce commitment to improving the lives of women worldwide continues to impact and inspire new generations of activists and artists. KEY THEMESV highlights the collective grief, trauma, and sorrow felt worldwide due to recent events, including the impact of violence and conflict on children and civilians.We delve into the origins of violence, focusing on systemic issues like occupation, racism, and colonialism. V emphasises the importance of understanding and addressing the root causes of violence to create a more peaceful world.Personal and political reckoning, the process of introspection and societal reflection prompted by the pandemic and recent social justice movements, stressing the need for honest examination of past actions and systemic inequalities.How moving towards pain, rather than avoiding it, can open doors towards healing, transformation and change.The role of genuine apology in reconciliation, and the healing of personal and collective wounds.Our relationship with the Earth, our disconnection from nature and how reconnecting with the natural world can foster healing, compassion, and a sense of belonging.Art, creativity and imagination as catalysts for change, and the importance of artistic expression in social movements.The importance of standing together in solidarity, supporting each other's voices and struggles, and the power of collective action in addressing global challenges.Personal growth, empowerment, and the journey to find and use one's voice for advocacy and change.Finally, we explore a vision for a future characterised by equality, justice, compassion, and ecological harmony.WEBSITEShttps://www.vday.org/  https://www.onebillionrising.org/https://www.cityofjoycongo.org/splash/https://www.eveensler.org/ FILMShttps://www.cityofjoyfilm.com/

Today, I speak with Darcia Narváez, award-winning author and Professor of Psychology Emerita at the University of Notre Dame.Darcia is the founder of the public and professional educational outreach project The Evolved Nest Initiative, whose nonprofit mission is to share her science research into developing appropriate baselines for lifelong human wellness by meeting the biological needs of infants. This wellbeing baseline is imperative at this time as the United States ranks 41st out of 41 developed countries in public policies that support families. The former executive editor of the Journal of Moral Education, Darcia was listed among the top 2% of scientists worldwide in 2020, and she currently serves as the president of the award-winning, venerable nonprofit Kindred World, who has been "serving the re-generation since 1996." A board of directors member of Attachment Parenting International, Darcia is also an advisory board member of the Association for Pre- and Perinatal Psychology and Health, APPPAH. Her pioneering book, Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality: Evolution, Culture and Wisdom, won the 2017 Expanded Reason Award, and received the William James Award from the American Psychological Association in 2015. In 2022 Darcia was elected a fellow to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the largest international body of professional scientists in the world and publisher of the prestigious journal Science, where she was honored for her distinguished contributions illuminating typical and atypical development in terms of well-being, morality and sustainable wisdom. Having held interdisciplinary conferences at the University of Notre Dame regarding early experience and human development in 2010, 2012, and 2014, in 2016 Darcia organized a conference on Sustainable Wisdom: Integrating Indigenous Know How for Global Flourishing, which touched upon some of the themes she explores in her recent book, Restoring the Kinship Worldview: Indigenous Voices Introduce 28 Precepts for Rebalancing Life on Planet Earth, which she co-authored with Wahinkpe Topa.  KEY THEMES Returning to our species' normal way of raising children is crucial for promoting wellness and flourishing.The Evolved Nest consists of nine components that optimize normal development.Reconnecting with the present moment and practicing gratitude can help individuals foster a more flourishing mindset.Conscious parenting and engaging in meaningful relationships are essential for creating a more flourishing future. The separation from our bodies can lead to a lack of awareness of our own health and well-being.Attachment and trust are crucial for developing healthy relationships and the ability to judge whether someone is trustworthy.Social media can enhance the us-against-them mentality and exacerbate disconnection.Combatting disconnection requires turning off screens and creating opportunities for community gatherings.Orienting ourselves towards beauty and wholeness can be achieved through practices like connecting with nature and engaging in play.Enhancing the living beings we are with is a powerful way to contribute to a more connected and compassionate world. WEBSITEShttps://evolvednest.org/https://kindredmedia.org/https://darcianarvaez.com/VIDEOS6-minute film: Breaking the Cycle (in Spanish and Subtitled in 16 languages at YouTube)12-minute film: Reimagining Humanity (in Spanish and Subtitled in 16 languages)2-minute trailer8-minute film: The Evolved Nest: Nature's Way of Raising ChildrenBOOKSThe Evolved Nest: Nature's Way of Raising Children and Creating Connected CommunitiesRestoring the Kinship Worldview: Indigenous Voices Introduce 28 Precepts for Rebalancing Life on Planet Earth (North Atlantic)Indigenous Sustainable Wisdom: First Nation Know-How for Global Flourishing (Peter Lang)Basic Needs, Wellbeing and Morality: Fulfilling Human Potential (Palgrave-Macmillan)Embodied Morality: Protectionism, Engagement and Imagination (Palgrave-Macmillan)Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality: Evolution, Culture and Wisdom (winner of the 2017 Expanded Reason Award and the 2015 APA William James Book Award)Evolution, Early Experience and Human Development (OUP)Ancestral Landscapes in Human Evolution (OUP)Young Child Flourishing: Evolution, Family & Society (OUP)

Today I’m in conversation with Michael Shuman - an economist, attorney, author, and entrepreneur, and a leading visionary on community economics. The Director of Local Economy Programs for Neighborhood Associates Corporation, and an Adjunct Professor at Bard Business School in New York City, Michael is also a Senior Researcher for Council Fire and Local Analytics, where he has performed economic-development analyses for states, local governments, and businesses around North America.Credited with being one of the architects of the 2012 JOBS Act and dozens of state laws overhauling securities regulation of crowdfunding, Michael has authored, coauthored and edited many books, of which the three most recent are Put Your Money Where Your Life Is: How to Invest Locally Using Solo 401ks and Self-Directed IRAs; The Local Economy Solution: How Innovative, Self-Financing Pollinator Enterprises Can Grow Jobs and Prosperity; and Local Dollars, Local Sense: How to Shift Your Money from Wall Street to Main Street. One of his previous books, The Small Mart Revolution: How Local Businesses Are Beating the Global Competition, received a bronze prize from the Independent Publishers Association for best business book of 2006.A prolific speaker, Shuman has given an average of more than one invited talk per week, mostly to local governments and universities, for the past 30 years in nearly every U.S. state and more than a dozen countries.I had the joy of meeting Michael at the Planet Local Summit, and was so captivated by his passion and practical approach to transforming local economies and livelihoods, that I had to invite him onto the show.KEY THEMES Investing in local economies is crucial for economic development and social equality.Education and relationship building are key to promoting local finance models.Creating local investment opportunities through websites, newsletters, and funds can encourage grassroots investors.Pre-purchasing and tax incentives can be effective strategies to support local businesses and investment. Community involvement and care can transform unpopular projects into thriving spaces.Innovations in local finance, such as investment co-ops and community pension funds, can support local economies.The future of humanity is uncertain, but focusing on local action and sharing innovative solutions can make a positive impact.Finding beauty, hope, and humor in life can help navigate challenging times.Reflecting on the impact of our money and redirecting it towards projects and businesses we care about can create positive change.WEBSITEShttps://michaelhshuman.com/https://www.themainstreetjournal.org/ http://www.telesiscorp.com/ BOOKShttps://michaelhshuman.com/store/

Today, I speak with Patricia Moguel Viveros - an ecologist and environmental educator, and the co-founder of the NGO Etnoecologia A.C.An expert on issues of sustainable community development, agroecology, resilience and environmental education, Patricia received her Master of Science in Environmental and Sustainable Development Studies from National Autonomous University of México (UNAM), a Ph.D. in Agroecology from the University of Andalucía, Spain and she is associated with the Sustainable Development and Environment of the College of México.During her career as an ecologist, she has focused on projects related to the conservation of indigenous agroforests, community resilience, environmental education, and artistic human development. Her vast experience led to her creating and founding the Art Ecology and Culture Center, also known as ECOFE, to help train and educate aspiring environmental leaders and also NIDO (a Cultural and Artist Center in Morelia) whose name refers to the bird shelters that house the artistic and cultural communties projects.As of late, Patricia has focused on reconstruction and resilience through the means of dance, music, and movement as seen with her “Affective Resilient Ecopedagogy” ideology, and her methodology of combining the arts and environmentalism has been applied to workshops at institutions in Mexico and Japan.Published in national and international journals and books, Patricia has been an advisor to multiple organizations in the rural and urban sector in Mexico, as well as in other countries such as Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador, and Japan on the issues of sustainable development, conservation of biodiversity and biocultural richness in indigenous agroforests, and environmental education.  KEY THEMESThe global human psyche is experiencing a civilizational crisis due to multiple ecological, climate, and energy risks.Flourishing means beautifying every place, building trust, and living with hope and the belief in our capacity to transform ourselves and the world.Indigenous agroforestry practices can help preserve nature and culture, and contribute to the defense of human rights and the strengthening of local economies.Art and culture provide social cohesion, encourage hope and joy, and develop empathy, generosity, and creativity.Effective resilient eco-pedagogy combines ecology with art to work on resilience and restore healthy capacities.Art, including dance, music, and other forms, can help us express and transform our emotions, develop empathy, and imagine and create a better world.Engaging in artistic practices can help us navigate stress and anxiety, and tap into our creativity and imagination. Caring for animals and participating in local and regional movements are important ways to connect with and protect life.The connection between the body and the earth is crucial, and empathy is essential for healing and transforming our relationship with the earth.Building resilience through various activities, such as dance and music, can help navigate difficult times.Changing our perspective on our personal history can lead to a more positive outlook and growth.Connecting with others in solidarity and love is a powerful way to overcome egocentrism and work towards a better future.  WEBSITEShttps://www.ecofe.eu/www.centroculturalnido.com

Today I speak with Bill Liao, Chinese-Australian-Irish entrepreneur, author, investor and philanthropist who has left an indelible mark on the business, social and sustainability sectors.With a diverse career spanning decades, Bill is not only the co-founder of the popular CoderDojo movement (a free global network formed to assist young people with learning computer programming), his career in tech and business also encompasses two unicorn companies and the launch of the world’s first bio-tech accelerator.A general partner of SOSV, a venture capital fund of over $1B, and founder of the SOSV Momentum Pre-accelerator program, Bill is also Chair of the SENS board, and his focus on health, longevity and environmental sustainability plays a central role in much of his work.As co-founder of Weforest, a non-profit organization dedicated to reforestation efforts that has planted a hundred million trees globally, Bill has also made significant contributions to combating climate change and promoting ecological balance.Bill also co-founded XING, a pioneering enterprise social networking platform, prior to which he served as COO of Davnet, a telecommunications carrier. The author of three books, Bill has been a speaker at global events such as The World Economic Forum, The Globe Forum in Sweden, TED, and TEDx, and at institutions such as The London School of Economics and The House of Commons. This was a rich and surprising interview for me, as we wended our way beyond the themes I had planned to explore, towards questions surrounding our search for beauty, purpose and longing… It’s a conversation that has stayed with me, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.KEY THEMES Sentience is difficult to measure, but it is often recognized through the ability to suffer.Machine learning algorithms focused on making money have created an attention economy driven by dopamine and cortisol.Creating local, connected groups can lead to a more fulfilling and scalable local information economy.Exploring philosophy and science fiction can provide deep insights and perspectives on the world.Using comedy and entertainment can be an effective way to convey messages and make them memorable.Challenging myths and pseudoscience is necessary for progress and innovation.The politics of division and the deification of personal fulfillment are existential threats to society.Collective fulfillment should be prioritized over individual fulfillment.It is important to move beyond appearance and visuals to truly experience and engage with the world.On dark days, orienting oneself towards life and wholeness can provide strength and resilience.BOOKSForests – Bill Liao (Foreword by Desmond Tutu)Stone Soup: The Secret Recipe for Making Something from Nothing – Bill LiaoWEBSITEShttps://coderdojo.com/en/https://www.weforest.org/https://sosv.com/ First ever standup gig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uJ7EM_tEo0&ab_channel=BillLiao

In today’s conversation, I have the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Bayo Akomolafe - a widely celebrated international speaker, teacher, public intellectual and essayist, whose convening of the concepts of ‘postactivism’, ‘transraciality’ and ‘ontofugitivity’ have ignited richer, more vibrant explorations of what it means to deepen into our collective potential. The author and editor of We Will Tell Our Own Story! with Professors Molefi Kete Asante and Augustine Nwoye, and These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to my Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books, 2017), Bayo is a recipient of the 2021 New Thought Walden Award, which honors people who use empowering spiritual ideas and philosophies to change lives and make our planet a better place.   Currently writing his third book as part of a trilogy of creative publications, Bayo is the author of multiple essays on matters ranging from the nature of science, the coronavirus pandemic, and racism, to tricksters, climate chaos, and unschooling.Having been invited to be the Coordinator/Special Envoy of the International Alliance for Localization, a project of Local Futures (USA) in 2014, Bayo temporarily left his lecturing position in Covenant University, Nigeria, to help build this Alliance for a more beautiful world. Among other universities, Bayo has been Visiting Professor at Middlebury College, where he taught on postactivism and ‘transraciality’ (his neo-materialist take on racialization), and he has taught at Sonoma State University (CA, USA), Simon Fraser University (Vancouver, Canada), and Schumacher College (Totnes, England). He is a widely appreciated author and facilitator, globally recognized for his poetic, unconventional, counterintuitive, and indigenous take on global crises, civic action and social change. Bayo currently teaches with the Community, Liberation, Indigenous, and Eco-Psychologies (CLIE) program at Pacifica Graduate Institute (CA, USA) and as Associate Adjunct Professor at the University of Vermont. I had the precious opportunity to meet Bayo at the Planet Local Summit in 2023, and I was so captivated by the poetic way in which he shared his provocative, shape-shifting ideas, that I simply had to invite him to join me here in conversation, so I could share this with you.Recorded on 5th December 2023. WEBSITEShttps://www.bayoakomolafe.net/ https://www.dancingwithmountains.com/https://www.emergencenetwork.org/  https://scienceandnonduality.com/POSITIONSHost – We Will Dance with Mountains: Into the Cracks!Executive Director – The Emergence Network (A Post-Activist Project)Board Member – Science and Non-Duality (USA)Board Member – Mutual Aid Network (USA)Consultant – UNESCO / Imagining Africa’s FutureBoard Member – Real Economy Lab (UK)Lecturer – CLIE, Pacifica Graduate Institute, California (USA)

Today, I speak with Professor Rupert Read – eco-philosopher, academic, author, campaigner, UK Green politician, and environmental activist. An incisive and respected thought-leader, Rupert has influenced public and academic opinion on issues including climate, genetic engineering, technological development and advertising to children. Having (co-)authored books including A Film-Philosophy Of Ecology And Enlightenment and This Civilisation Is Finished, he was a key spokesperson for the Extinction Rebellion movement, and now co-directs the ‘Moderate Flank’ Incubator. Until recently, Rupert served as Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of East Anglia, but after 26 years in this position, he recently took voluntary severance to dedicate himself to the Climate Majority Project as its Co-Director.While many of us might know Rupert through his work as a spokesperson and political strategist for XR, he has also worked as a national and European parliamentary candidate, and councillor for the Green Party of England and Wales, and he formerly chaired the ecological think tank Green House.With extensive experience arguing for ecology in media, Rupert has written for The Guardian, The Independent, The Ecologist and many other newspapers and websites. A frequent guest on the Today programme, he has also been a panellist on QuestionTime, Newsnight, and Good Morning Britain. Rupert has made regular contributions on Radio 4’s Free Thinking, BBC’s Politics Live, several shows on LBC Radio and various podcasts, and he is a sought-after speaker at many events.Recorded on 17th October 2023. WEBSITEShttps://rupertread.net/https://climatemajorityproject.com/LINKSAccidental Gods – Rupert Read in conversation with Manda Scott: https://bit.ly/AG-RupertRead

As we approach the Winter Solstice and the longest night of the year, I’m delighted to share with you what has become a cherished tradition of reflection, contemplation, and looking ahead to the year to come.In this conversation, I rejoin Manda Scott and Della Duncan for a collaborative midwinter offering from myself, Accidental Gods, and the Upstream Podcast.As we gather to reflect on what’s been an extraordinarily turbulent, confronting and unexpected 12 months, we share some of the key themes of enquiry and growth we’ve explored on our podcasts, we trace what we find when we each go upstream from the challenges we’re facing today, and we explore some of the gifts, stories and resources that can support us as we step into the months ahead.At the end of the conversation, Manda will lead us through a special guided meditation to help us reach into and connect with this moment of the season.To introduced my companions…Manda Scott is a novelist, podcaster and smallholder. Formerly a veterinary surgeon, Manda’s novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award and has won the McIlvanney Prize. She is host of the Accidental Gods podcast, which showcases individuals and organisations at the emerging edge of our world, to set the foundation for a future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. Her latest novel, Any Human Power is available for pre-order here: https://septemberpublishing.org/product/any-human-power-hb/ We’re joined by Della Z Duncan, a Renegade Economist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is a co-host of the Upstream Podcast, a Right Livelihood Coach, a faculty member at the California Institute of Integral Studies, a Senior Fellow at the London School of Economics, a founding member of the California Doughnut Economics Coalition, and the designer and co-facilitator of the Cultivating Regenerative Livelihood Course at Gaia Education.This is always a special episode for me, and I’m very grateful to be able to dive into conversation with these two brilliant women. I hope you find it inviting and inspiring, and I wish you a peaceful Winter Solstice and a fruitful new year.Recorded on 1st December 2023.RESOURCESNathalie’s:Podcast: The way out is in: Grief and Joy on a Planet in Crisis: Joanna Macy on the Best Time To Be Alive (Episode #12)(https://plumvillage.org/podcast/grief-and-joy-on-a-planet-in-crisis-joanna-macy-on-the-best-time-to-be-alive-episode-12)Flourishing Futures Salon: https://www.ffsalons.com/ Planet Local Summit: https://planet-local-summit.localfutures.org/ and videosDella’s:Poem: The Invitation by Oriah Mountain Dreamer (https://www.mindfulnessassociation.net/words-of-wonder/the-invitation-oriah-mountain-dreamer/)Theory: Two Loop Theory by Meg Wheatley and Deborah Frieze (https://transformationallearningopportunities.com/two-loop-theory)Conversation: Marxism & Buddhism with Breht O'Shea on the Upstream Podcast (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3Y9H9A5b7kkoodUmxrYnzO?si=8f735a62a6d54b96&nd=1&dlsi=e65675e3a9d84cc6)Conversation: A Marxist Perspective on Elections with August Nimtz on the Upstream Podcast (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3Y9H9A5b7kkoodUmxrYnzO?si=8f735a62a6d54b96&nd=1&dlsi=d8e03de837e5464d)Conversation: Beyond the Clock with Jenny Odell on the Upstream Podcast (https://open.spotify.com/episode/1awmJZYYp4N9OWxz1mXeo7?si=28bd15af74774472&nd=1&dlsi=2df1b0bebfdb47b9)Organization: California Doughnut Economics Coalition, https://caldec.org/Manda’s:Indy Johar: talking about Inter-Becoming and the model of the autonomous house (https://accidentalgods.life/becoming-intentional-gods-claiming-the-future-with-indy-johar-of-the-dark-matter-labs/)Alnoor Ladha and Lynn Murphy: on shifting from a Trauma Culture to an Initiation Culture (https://accidentalgods.life/the-animate-earth-responds-initiation-in-a-time-of-crisis-with-alnoor-ladha-and-lynn-murphy/)

Today I speak with Suzanne Pellican, Vice President of Ads User Experience at Google. In this role, she oversees a multidisciplinary team working to define and design user-centric, industry-leading experiences across Google Ads products, while keeping trust, usefulness, and relevance at the center. Beyond product efforts, Suzanne also sponsors WE, a community of women in senior UX roles across Google focused on community, connection, and collaboration.Prior to joining Ads, Suzanne led UX for Google's Geo organization, where she focused on democratizing user-centered design practices. Her efforts led to re-architecting and branding for Google Maps, more verticalized and actionable local search and transportation experiences, and merchant and contributor experiences that allowed users to get more things done in the real world.Before Google, Suzanne worked extensively on small businesses at Intuit, where she helped transform the company into a design-driven organization, fundamentally changing how it built products that people love.Now it’s not often that I dive into the world of UX, ads and marketing on this podcast, but with the upcoming changes to data and cookie policies now on the near horizon, I wanted to have a conversation that touched upon the themes of trust, business, advertising and the open internet, that look set to shape our online experiences to come.Recorded on 7th November 2023.

Today, I have the joy and privilege of being in conversation with Jo Confino, an executive coach, facilitator, journalist, sustainability expert and Zen mindfulness practitioner, whose work at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change has been an inspiration to me and to many, many others around the world. If you’ve followed Jo’s journey, you may have encountered his thoughtful conversations on the popular podcast, “The Way Out is In” – a beautiful and uplifting series he co-hosts with Brother Phap Huu, the abbot of Little Hamlet at Plum Village, who for 17 years was the personal attendant to Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Having worked closely with this community for the past 14 years, Jo is also an advisory board member of Parallax Press, which publishes books on mindfulness in daily life. With 40 years of experience as a journalist, Jo has worked on regional and national newspapers and websites, with an emphasis on business and finance, including three years as Wall Street correspondent for the Daily Telegraph. Until recently, he was the executive editor, Impact & Innovation and Editorial Director of What’s Working at the HuffPost in New York, where he served as a member of the senior leadership team. During his five years there, Jo developed long-term editorial projects based on social, environmental and economic justice. Before joining HuffPost, Jo was executive editor of the Guardian, where he created and managed the sustainability vision and strategy for the Guardian and its parent company Guardian Media Group. Chairman and editorial director of the Guardian Sustainable Business website, during his 23 years there, Jo set up and managed a unique multi-stakeholder development project in the Ugandan village of Katine, and he helped create the Guardian’s environment and global development websites.A fellow of the Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce, Jo is also a trustee of Theatre for a Change, whose purpose is the empowerment of women and girls, particularly in their sexual and reproductive health. Having chaired and facilitated events and conferences all over the world for the past 20 years, Jo also runs workshops and roundtables for attendees including CEOs, prime ministers and NGO heads. He is currently working with Leaders Quest, which helps leaders and companies align profit with purpose as well as Future Stewards, a coalition of partners working together to build a regenerative future.Recorded on 14th September 2023. WEBSITEShttps://leadersquest.org/https://futurestewards.com/https://www.tfacafrica.com/ PODCASTThe Way Out Is In: https://plumvillage.org/podcasts/the-way-out-is-in

In today’s conversation, I speak with Antonio Graça - Head of Research and Development at Sogrape Vinhos SA, a family run vineyard and business founded on the principles of circularity, renovation and transformation. Secretary for the Sustainable Development and Climate Change expert group of the International Organisation for Vine and Wine (Paris), Antionio has an MSc. in Oenology, and leads masterclasses and lectures for young professionals at universities all around the world. As well as sitting on the Executive Committee of the Oenoviti International network, Antonio assisted Comité des Entreprises Européennes de Vin in the creation of the first European research agenda for the wine industry, which was published as a position paper in 2016. He serves as expert by technical commissions of the Spanish Wine Federation, Association of Wines and Spirits of Portugal and Association of Port Wine Companies, and also sits as tasting judge for high-profile international wine competitions such as the International Wine Challenge (London) and Mundus Vini (Neustadt). From 2003 and 2014, Antonio served in the board of the Association for the Development of Douro Viticulture, and in 2009, he cofounded the Portuguese Association for Grapevine Diversity, and was on its Board of Directors until 2021. Having published many scientific works over the course of his career, Antonio is currently focusing on agroecology, biodiversity, digital transition, climate change adaptation, resilience and system dynamics of the food and wine value chain. Beyond his professional interests, he is a humanist and a firm believer in the founding principles of the European Union, and he uses his free time to raise awareness to the fundamental role played by wine in civilisations and to the ethnic and cultural heritage of Portuguese explorations still surviving around the world. I first met Antonio at a very special gathering, hiking a short stretch of the Camino de Santiago in Northern Spain, and I was so struck by his presence, thoughtfulness and passion for the living world that I had to invite him onto the podcast. Our conversation explores a whole array of intertwining themes and ideas, and I hope that our exploration inspires you to reconnect more deeply into the food, the place and the biodiversity of where you live. WEBSITEhttps://sogrape.com/ BOOKSThinking in Systems – Donella Meadows: https://www.chelseagreen.com/product/thinking-in-systems/

In this conversation, I speak with Brett Scott - an author, journalist, economic anthropologist and former financial broker.  Writing on everything from the cashless society, fintech and cryptocurrency, to monetary reform, economic activism, and the politics of tech, Brett’s work has been published in The Guardian, Business Insider, New Scientist, Huffington Post, Wired Magazine and CNN.com, and he regularly appears on TV shows, radio broadcasts and documentaries across the world. His latest book Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto and the War for our Wallets (Penguin/HarperCollins, 2022) explores the battle between cash and digital money, and has been described by the Financial Times as a ‘compelling case against the contactless society’. His previous book, The Heretic’s Guide to Global Finance (Pluto Press, 2013), isß a hands-on guide to financial activism and alternative finance for people who wish to change the financial sector for the better. Brett also publishes a Substack newsletter called Altered States of Monetary Consciousness, the link for which I’ll provide in the shownotes. I first met Brett when I interviewed him on the course I curated with Advaya, Seeking Freedom In The Digital Age, and since our conversation so much has accelerated and evolved in the world of technology, finance and AI that I wanted to invite him onto the podcast to explore where we’re going, what the digitisation of finance could mean for us, and how we might reclaim our agency in the face of an increasingly cashless society. Recorded on 12th September 2023.  WEBSITEShttps://brettscott.substack.com/ https://alteredstatesof.money/ BOOKShttps://alteredstatesof.money/brett-scott-books/Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto and the War for our Wallets The Heretic’s Guide to Global Finance 

In today’s conversation, I speak with Giulia Gentile, Lecturer in Law at Essex Law School, previously Fellow in Law at The London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE). Specialising in research on EU constitutional law, AI regulation and the use of AI in justice systems, Giulia holds a PhD and an LLM from King’s College London (KCL), and has received scholarships and grants to fund her research from the EU Commission, the Max Planck Institute of European Procedural Law and the Centre of European law at KCL. Having co-edited 3 books and authored more than 30 scientific publications, Giulia’s academic work has been cited, among others, by the UK Parliament, Advocates General at the CJEU, the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission, the European Banking Authority and the Slovenian Constitutional Court. An Italian qualified lawyer who worked at the chambers of Judge Rossi at the CJEU and at the M&A Department of Clifford Chance Milan, Giulia has provided expert evidence to the UK Parliament on the UK system of fundamental rights protection and digital regulation, and to the EU Commission on the disabled people’s political rights and e-voting procedures. I first came across Giulia’s work through a fascinating, thought-provoking article she co-wrote with Giovanni De Gregorio, exploring the issues arising from the digitisation of justice, which I wrote about on LinkedIn. And since law is an area which affects all of our lives, I wanted to invite her here to speak with us about how AI may transform the ways in which we interact with (and are governed by) the law, and how we might ensure that these changes respect our rights and values, towards a more flourishing future for all. And a special shout-out to Stephanie Collinson, who introduced me to Giulia’s work, thank you so much! Recorded on 2nd August 2023.  ARTICLESThe digitisation of justice risks blurring the lines between public and private actors - Giulia Gentile & Giovanni De GregorioLawGPT? How AI is Reshaping the Legal Profession - Giulia Gentile

Today on the podcast, I speak with Andrea Abad, founder of Terra Viva Ibiza - a project that seeks to create a sustainable and healthy agricultural production system, based on the principles of agroecology, syntropy and regenerative agriculture. Having started her career in marketing for large corporations such as Apple and Exxon Mobil, after six years in the countryside, an introspective awakening pushed Andrea to leave her profession and travel to Australia, where she lived in permaculture communities while learning how humanity can reintroduce itself to the cycles of nature. Deciding to move to Ibiza to deepen her knowledge of sustainable tourism, a sector where she had previously worked for five years, Andrea founded Terra Viva Ibiza with the objective of growing food without the use of synthetic chemicals, respecting the natural cycles and the biodiversity of the environment while providing health to the soil. A project which also provides an educational and social dimension, Terra Viva offers training and advice to farmers interested in adopting this model, as well as spaces for participation and meeting for the community. As well as regenerating a 20-hectare plot of land using the rational grazing system of chicken, rotational grazing of sheep and agroforestry principles, with the collaboration of Albert Tur Montells (Permaculture Association of the Pitiusas), they are also planting over 12,000 trees within a syntropic design. I first met Andrea in October 2021 on a regenerative agriculture crash course at La Junquera, a regenerative farm and village in Murcia, Southern Spain, and I was so excited and inspired by her story and the work she’s doing, that I had to invite her onto the podcast to share her experience with you. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Recorded on 12th July 2023.RESOURCEShttps://www.terravivaibiza.com/https://ibizalandregeneration.org/The Way Out Is In (podcast): https://plumvillage.org/podcasts/the-way-out-is-in

Today I speak with Thane Lawrie, an award-winning Chief Executive Officer, author and Buddhist practitioner. A graduate of the University of Aberdeen and University of Glasgow, Thane has had a diverse career which culminated in his leading and transforming a once struggling social enterprise, which went on to win numerous business awards both locally and nationally, including the prestigious Sunday Times Top 100 companies to work for in the UK. ​Attributing this success to nurturing a strong workplace culture that focusses on the staff at the very heart of the organisation, not only has Thane published in academic peer reviewed journals in the field of health science, and also recently authored a beautiful book, The Buddhist CEO, which chronicles a moving tale of a man trying to balance his commitment to the ancient tradition of Buddhism with his role as a modern day leader.​At a time in which finding the headspace to even consider a contemplative practice can feel beyond the reach of many of us, Thane’s compassionate, practical and down-to-earth approach towards mindfulness and presence offers a route towards salving tender hearts and soothing restless minds. Recorded on 12th July 2023. BOOKSThe Buddhist CEO RESOURCEShttps://www.thanelawrie.com/The Way Out Is In - https://plumvillage.org/podcasts/the-way-out-is-inOutrage And Optimism - https://www.outrageandoptimism.org/

Today, I’m in conversation with Jared Ficklin - a designer and technologist with two decades of experience creating products and visions for major companies. An innovator by nature, he is always exploring new means for technological interaction and has a passion for unique interaction models - especially those involving interesting inputs and outputs like touch, multi-touch, voice, gesture, sensing, and projection. The founding Partner & Lead Creative Technologist at argodesign, Jared’s philosophy is oriented towards "Thinking by Making, Delivering by Demonstration", and he employs user experience simulation as a method for quickly bringing products to life. Having spent 14 years of his career at frog design contributing to the visions, strategy, intellectual property, and products of clients including HP, Microsoft, AT&T, LG, SanDisk, and Motorola, Jared’s work integrating technology into the design process at frog led him to be named one of 4 frog fellows. An evangelist and co-creator of the cable car-based mass transport vision known as The Wire, and a keen Burner, Jared was the first to bring live fire to the TED stage. He speaks internationally as a creative technologist and futurist, and it was his passion for what technology might afford us when coupled with human creativity, ingenuity and heart, that most excited me about being in conversation with Jared today. Recorded 20th June 2023.  RESOURCESargodesign.comTwitter / X: @jaredrawk Instagram: @twinrawk

In today’s conversation, I speak with Paul Skinner, author and founder of the Agency of the Future, an organisation that helps clients to drive purpose-led change and better mobilise stakeholders for lasting success. His first book, Collaborative Advantage: How collaboration beats competition as a strategy for success, proposes that we have reached a turning point in history from which creating Competitive Advantage may no longer be in the best interests of an organisation, or perhaps indeed, of our species. It has been acclaimed far and wide, not least by Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, Co-Founders of Ben and Jerry's ice cream, who praised the book as offering “the perfect recipe for successful businesses that improve lives”. His second book, The Purpose Upgrade, takes a deeper look at the core raison d'être of enterprise and its role in society, a theme which sits at the heart of Paul’s work, bringing positive change to businesses, governments and civil society. He has advised clients as diverse as PwC and the United Nations, Sony and Save the Children, and in 2014 Paul was awarded an honorary visiting fellowship at Edge Hill University Business School. He’s won the Consultant of the Year awards from the Chartered Institute of Marketing twice, he’s an advisory board member at the Museum of Brands and is also an Advisor at the Future Strategy Club. As well as working with institutions of international and global governance, and pioneering social change organisations, Paul also finds the time to lead MarketingKind, a membership community he founded which brings together business leaders, marketers and change-makers to tackle social and environmental problems through their businesses, volunteering and advocacy. This was one of my favourite conversations this season, not least for the richness, nuance and open-heartedness that Paul brings to the complex questions we explore. And if you’d like to see the shoe on the other foot, you can watch the fireside chat I had with Paul when he interviewed me for MarketingKind, the link for which is in the shownotes. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. Recorded 20th June 2023. RESOURCESpurposeupgrade.commarketingkind.orgtheaof.com BOOKSCollaborative Advantage: How collaboration beats competition as a strategy for successThe Purpose Upgrade

Today I am in conversation with Ioana Lungu - a poet, spoken word artist and event host, based in Barcelona. She started writing (creatively) when she was 11 years old, navigating her way through short stories, plays and the beginnings of novels, and through her literary explorations, the art form that has stood the test of time, for her, is her poetry. Ioana first stepped into the world of spoken word when she moved to Barcelona several years ago and got involved in the poetry community through events and writing workshops, which is how we first encountered one another. A passionate supporter of other people’s creativity, Ioana invited a group of us to perform at a charity fundraiser that she hosts every year on her birthday, and alongside her moving, poignant poetry, it is her ability to bring people together in community towards a common goal that moved me to ask her onto the show. Apart from her creative pursuits, Ioana is into meditation, yoga, breathwork and aquatic wildlife, and she's currently pondering on the idea of writing a book and hosting a monthly event in Barcelona, so watch this space. To learn more about Ioana and dive into her world of poetry, you can find her on Instagram at @ioanalungu_Recorded 6th June 2023.  RESOURCESinstagram.com/ioanalungu_

Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Katarina Berg, chief human resources officer for Spotify, and author of the recently published book, BOLD: Strategic HR in a new era. An experienced HR leader with more than 25 years of expertise in leading and executing people strategies in various multinational companies, Katarina also heads up Spotify’s Global Workplace Services and Strategy Operations teams. Having been with the company since 2013, she led the talent transformation during the business transition from startup to a mature international company. Before Spotify, Katarina held high-profile HR roles in various multinational companies, including Preem, Swedbank, Kanal 5 and 3. As well as catering to the people needs of a diverse, nimble and ever-changing organisation, Katarina is also focused on building teams and reinventing processes to establish an environment where creative and passionate people can be their very best, have fun and develop great careers. I was curious to talk with Katarina about how we might cultivate more thriving organizations, especially within a sector renowned for its constant, restless innovation. I was also interested to explore the impacts of AI and automation on morale, human potential and adaptability, especially since people working within the tech space are some of those most likely to be impacted as AI becomes increasingly integrated into our societal, economic and political lives. Recorded 1st June 2023. RESOURCESlinkedin.com/in/katarina-berg BOOKBOLD: Strategic HR in a new era

I’m kicking off the season in perhaps an unexpected place, starting in conversation with someone whose resilience, determination and skill, enabled her to overcome extraordinary odds to lead a flourishing life in which she now dedicates her time to empowering others. Meet Amy Hopper – an executive coach, digital marketer and founder of TOA, who is also fondly known as The Digital Wolverine – a particularly curious name which we’ll be hearing about later.Having graduated at the top of her class in her Sociology BA, specialising in mental health, alienation in the workplace, and the sociology of work, Amy founded her first business at 25, the digital marketing agency AM Marketing. At 26, she was hit by a dangerous driver and suffered permanent spine damage, PTSD, anxiety, and chronic pain for the next 5 years. By age 28 her company was named one of the Google Top 30 UK Agencies, and at 29 she received the Amazon Triumph over Adversity Award. At 30, she won the UK Digital Role Model of the Year, and at 31, she underwent a spinal fusion surgery and was wheelchair bound, shortly after which she became widowed during lockdown.  At 33, she decided to sell her business, and after a grueling, touching journey back to health, she was able to travel the world solo at 33, hiking over 600km in over 8 countries and 26 cities. Upon her return, she founded her agency,TOA, and she is now working with some of the world's largest companies to remove wellbeing barriers producing high-performing teams.   I first met Amy through our mutual friend, Richard Savage, who told me that I simply had to meet this extraordinary woman, and he wasn’t wrong. You’ll tell from our laughter and energy that we were excited to be in conversation together, and while the video didn’t work out due to technical issues at my end, I hope you’ll enjoy this moving conversation in which we explore tenderness, loss, and resilience, how the simple steps can be the ones that help us to transform adversity into growth.Recorded on 1st June 2023.RESOURCESlinkedin.com/in/amyhoppertoagroup.co.uk

Hello again! It’s a pleasure to be back with you over the airwaves, for this little catchup ahead of the new season, which will be launching on Sunday the 20th August.This new set of conversations has been a little while in the making, not least because I’ve been working on some new and exciting projects that weave together the themes that we explore here, with some of my personal interests in the arts, in gathering, and in our capacity to step into life with greater presence.The Hive actually turned Five years old this summer, and since it started, it has grown and blossomed into a project that has introduced me to so many new people, perspectives and ways of being, that it’s become one of the favourite parts of what I do. And that’s in large part, thanks to you.With all of the challenges that we’re facing individually and collectively - from ecological, climatic and economic disruption, to the huge impacts we’re only just beginning to feel from the accelerating deployment of AI - the question of how we can withstand and perhaps embrace so much uncertainty has been on my mind for quite a while. And in all of the research and writing I’ve done over the years around psychology, values, integrity - themes which I explore I my latest book, Business Unusual - I’ve been reflecting increasingly on how I can more actively walk the talk.With that in mind, alongside the projects I’ve been developing around how we can show up and flourish in a changing world (more to come soon), it felt like the right time to rename the podcast quite simply: Nathalie Nahai, In Conversation.It’s nothing grand, and it does what it say on the tin – but you’ll notice from the cover art that it has a new visual identity, one that for me at least, connects into our ongoing exploration of what it means to be human, in search of connection and meaning within the wider web of life.I’ve also decided to experiment a little with the format. Alongside this audio version of the podcast, you can also watch the video version over on my YouTube channel, where I’ll also be posting additional bonus content with my guests. I’ll include all the links in my shownotes, so you can check them out.The new season will be launching on Sunday the 20th August, and I’m excited to share more with you about my companion projects as they unfold. Until then, thank you for joining me on this adventure, and I can’t wait to share this next chapter with you.