IT (2017) Review

The opening scene with Georgie losing the paper boat that Bill made for him. This is the scene that really sells every version of this story, whether it’s the novel, the miniseries, or the modern iteration. The main difference here is that Muschietti leans into the “hard-R” when Georgie’s arm is graphically ripped off by Pennywise.

Pennywise isn’t the only danger in IT. Henry Bowers and his gang torment the group of friends on the regular throughout the film. And torment is putting it lightly. Henry doesn’t just bully them, he tortures them. In another scene that shows the commitment of making the film a heavy into the paint of an R-rating, Henry deeply carves his initials into poor Ben’s stomach.

All of a sudden, the gimmicky side kicks obsessed with fire or belching seems strangely out of place. But, come on, who doesn’t like a character named Belch?

The Losers Club Fears

Throughout IT, there are scenes that show the different fears of the Losers Club.

• Bill’s fear of actually accepting that his brother Georgie is dead.
• Mike’s fear of burning alive like his parents
• Stanley’s fear of a creepy painting

• Ben’s fear of the headless kid he discovered during researching the town’s history.
• Bev’s fear of the sink
• Eddie’s fear of germs / Lepers
• Richie’s fear of clowns

Some of these work better than others. Stanley’s creepy painting feels like it is straight out of The Conjuring. Wait… It is taken straight out of the Conjuring.

Richie’s fear of clowns also felt very tacked on. It seemed like an excuse to include a room full of clowns.

Ben’s fear also felt kind of tacked on, but at least it made sense in the moment. As he was researching about the town’s past tragedies, he notices a decapitated head in a tree.

Can we also just take a moment to point out how shitty the librarian is for encouraging Ben to stop studying and go play with friends?

The Ending of IT 2017 Explained

The ending of the film is very satisfying. The children realize that Pennywise has no power over them as long as they aren’t scared of him and realize that everything he throws at them is an illusion.

As Pennywise’s power is sapped from him, they proceed to kick his ass and free all the children that are floating in his lair. Unfortunately, they all seem to be already dead.

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Also, our good friend David Day has a podcast on the side called the Positive A cast. This is a short daily podcast where I just tried to inject your day with some you know, some good feelings and rights groups, retreats, talking about making people feel good, talking about making yourself feel good. And just generally, you know, getting your day started off for ended off, right? So and it’s actually it’s been doing pretty good since the Rice Krispie treat debacle. Things have been picking up quite a bit so again today we’re gonna be talking about it. The movie from 2017. We’re going to start out by giving a brief review and our score for the film. We scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being miserable and ah, 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. And five just being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks. Yeah, you guys know how one through 10 works after we give the score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we like and hated about the film. And then later we’ll be doing perennial favorite bit tagline haggling. Hey, um you know, uh, we kind of I wanted to do another round of horror or porno, which is probably my favorite bit that we’ve ever done from our last episode, but it might be like to. Well, first of all, I didn’t have enough time to prepare for it. Because we’ve spent It’s a very, very, very useful time watching the miniseries from 1990. So it was worth it. And ah, but also having it back to back, You know, we don’t want to fatigue. Well, I mean, that’s like a special. That’s a special game, you know, though, I do it next time, you know, But that ready That last episode that we released, ready or not is I mean, so we’re recording this, you know, obviously, before you’re listening to this, we don’t do this list. Isn’t life? I thought this was radio. 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No, it we have to emphasize it s episode. It was good, right? Just like on the miniseries in the nineties miniseries. They really hit that it hard. Yeah, by the way. It’s like I said earlier. Defeat it. Like Bryce said earlier, we we just got done last night watching the longest fucking movie of I’ve ever seen ever. Well, it’s supposed to be watched in two parts, which we actually kind of did. But the miniseries from from 90 and we’re gonna be releasing an episode where we go over that dredge, um, for our patri on members and man, that that thing is just packed full of nostalgia. And I mean, that thing is, that thing is the thing that movie studios tap into when they’re like, we gotta make stranger thing, pull out the footage. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, here’s the trailer for it. 2017 near kid universes rolls around. You think that you’ll always be protected and cared for, Then one day, you realize that’s not sure. Because we near alone as a kid monster. See you is weaker. You don’t even know they’re getting closer until it’s too late. Yeah. Did you get my grandfather thinks this town is cursed. That all the bad things that happened in this town because of one thing and evil thing. So is he looking with me two? I saw something. Clown. Yeah, I saw him too. What happens when another torch goes missing one of us? We’re just gonna pretend it isn’t happening Like everyone else in this town. If we stick together Wait. Yeah, but yeah, flow. So it is available to rent on Amazon prime. That’s where we watched it. It’s also in YouTube and probably other places. Probably, you know where you get movies. It 2017 is a total rip off of stranger things. It features a group of boys in the eighties who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, 2017 is based on the Stephen King novel It. The film follows the Losers Club, which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted. Bye Pennywise, the dancing clown played by a Bill scars guard, Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millennia. The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. That’s kind of the idea that Stephen King was going for just that feeling of. I think the opening sequence is the best illustration of that of Georgie going down a dark stairway into the basement to get something. Yeah, because I think that’s like a universal fear. Yes, that everyone experiences in childhood where you don’t know what you’re scared of. But it’s there. But whatever it’s going to get you, it’s like whenever you whenever you think it’s gonna get me What what is that? And that’s what Stephen King is trying to use as the monster in it. Yeah, Irrational fear. All right, Um, so the film, that’s pretty good of capturing that idea. You get a feeling of dread throughout. It remains one of the best coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaption. Stand by me. I mean, I think it’s you know, I mean, there’s several that have done done it. Now it’s it’s hard to think of one. I mean, they think one better than stand by me is like the pinnacle obvious like I can. But that was that was the whole purpose of that, right? Where is that? This is not necessary so much. This is That is a nice sidebar in it. I’m glad to watch its watch this film again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries. I think that the overall IT 2017 is a superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it, and, ah, to to this film and the upcoming sequel that’s coming out next week. Yeah, for us. And ah, I don’t know what to tell you. It does not hold up the miniseries. No, there’s there’s some great ideas and there is some still impactful scenes and and visuals. But it doesn’t hold up in terms of like a film for a lot of reasons, though, right? I mean, it’s not easy. It’s not fair to compare either the production value and it’s a TV show. It’s got every excuse in the world to be just awful, just very, very bad. And it’s not. It just doesn’t hold up very well. It was a miniseries made for TV in 1987 that released in 1990 and so and we’re watching it. I understood why it it impacted me, impacted me so much when I was, I guess I was eight. Yeah, and ah, that’s just that’s just prime time for being impressionable and like, wowed by anything. Yeah, but anyways, it is definitely, Ah, better film, mostly because it’s, you know, great production value, but also because it’s a hard R. Yeah, yeah, a really hard arm. Yeah. Ah, 2017 is one of the best mainstream general audience horror films that’s come out in the last decade. Oh, easily, and the the box office numbers show that it’s it’s still the highest grossing horror film of all time. That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Ah, director Andy Mu Shu knew she Eddie keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the conjuring universe, which I’m not always a huge fan of. But it was. It was upon second viewing. It wasn’t as agree, just as I remember it. It was kind of sprinkled throughout its not, ah, 100% jump scares. Overall, I really liked it. I liked it even more the second time. Watching it, I give it a score of eight at a 10. I think that’s the score that I expected from you, if not a little lower, even like just Ah, knowing, uh you and how you work. Um, but for me, this this was such a it was like it was like a signal that horror was back, like, not just back, but like big, you know, like this. Like they’re so there was so much about the release of this film that just ended up like delighting me because it was like, everybody was excited for this. It was like, remember it Because because And we’ve been discussing this coming up t this to this moment and you know it the book waas I mean, probably still is the biggest horror novel ever. Yeah, it was a huge phenomenon. Yes, and I think the only one that rivals it is this the shining right? Yeah, but but doesn’t even like it is. One of those is one of those titles. And one of those you have the image of the the book seared into your into your memory because it was everywhere. It was in everyone’s house. Everybody was interested in whatever this weird thing was, and ah, and so it was a phenomenon back then, And this movie tapped right back into that and got all those people re excited about all this stuff. And so it was. And then the movie itself was so much fun for me and went so hard in the paint on the rial, disturbing, um, content that that you would hope it would write It didn’t it? Didn’t shy away from anything. Well, it shied away from something, right that no. One. It’s my understanding, though, that that that that stuff that really blew stuff may be present in the second installment. Yeah, I guess we won’t go into spoilers of the novel, but we’ll talk about in a spoiler section. But there’s if you read Stephen King. You know, he is kind of a weird sex pervert. There’s always a weird sexual element. There are, like, some subtle, I mean, maybe not to settle. There’s there’s some sexual kind of content, and and, uh, in this film, but not what’s in the novel. You know, a lot of illusion, allusion, illusions off, you know? Yeah, touching kids and weird shit and ring. Ah, but But it adds that really unstable feeling terror element to to the movie. And I think for me, I think this is ah nine. And when it was released, it was probably 10. Well, how do you go down? Because it is not a fun movie to necessarily to rewatch for May I know this was a really great movie on first viewing, like it’s just doesn’t have very much replay value for me. Um, and I realized that even in the theater as I was watching, it was like, There’s not gonna be a second time for this because it is a jump scare factory and all the things that worked really well for me were those were those big, horrifying jump scares. Yeah. No, I mean, I think I think nine is fair, but I don’t know. I understand that, like most people would read rate this like a nine out of 10. But for some reason, it just It just doesn’t make it there for me. Yeah, I know. 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But even with that and with this being a shorter month and last month in terms of how many episodes we released, we’re still almost common amount of downloads that we had last month, which is huge. So thank you. So thank you again. So, yeah, let’s talk about it. What about it? Let’s talk about it, baby. Okay, Talk about you and me. Let’s talk about all the bad clams. S o. The opening scene of it is probably the strongest of the movie, and it’s really what sells the whole story. And it’s surprisingly consistent between the book, the miniseries and this movie. But as it works its work so well, he actually does. Here’s ah, here’s a clip of Pennywise and his introduction here is it. Here we go. Hi, Georgie. What a nice you want it? Please look like a nice boy. But you have a lot of friends. Three of my brothers. My best. Where’s sick? Could you come up? I don’t give a about You want to join? I’m not supposed to take stuff from strangers. Oh, well, I’m penny wise and allow. Ready wife George. Georgie, meet penalize way on strangers. And then here’s since I pulled it. Here’s the Ah, 1990 version for comparison. Hi, Georgie. You’re going to say hello. Oh, come on. Don’t you want a very wise of your dad, Georgie? Every wyszynski I joined Pennywise dancing around you are, Georgie. So now we know each other. Yes. Yeah. So I guess the set up. If you don’t, you’ve never seen it or read it. So have you been hiding in a drain somewhere? Eso this scene? It has Georgie going to his brother. Bill. Right. Star start. Bill us a bill and it’s raining outside and he asks them to make a paper boat for him to play with. And so Bill’s kind of sick. And then Georgie goes down to get some wax to paint the boat or whatever. So it’ll float, and that’s that’s the great scene to where it kind of sets up the concept of it’s going to get you. And so he’s scared of the dark, and then it goes out and starts floating the boat, and it flows down a a dark storm drain. And then inside the drain is this clown just like, Hey, whoa, what’s that clown doing in that drain? And so Pennywise introduces himself and see. This is why it’s so great, because, I mean, it’s it’s hard to like explain why it works so good. But it were having a clown inside a storm drain. If you’re a little kid, yes, like the logic of it, like somehow makes sense. But you also know that it’s wrong. Yes, there’s there’s a little standoffishness because, well, wait a minute. There’s a man in the drain, but it’s a clown like that s so that’s like something that’s weird but also something that’s good. And so you put those together, and that’s how little kid logic works right? It’s like it’s like how your kid walks up to you and is like my name’s pinky purple and you’re like, Yeah, okay. And then they’re happy with that. They’re just like they’re like, they take you going. All right, whatever on there like, ah, validation you like That’s the least satisfying validation ever. But they’re just looking for the surface level. And so that’s how the clown in the drain work sucks, cause it It’s like it is off putting. But also, it’s a cliff. Yeah, that it explores several things about the relationship between children and adults in terms of their fears. Yeah, and the danger that they face first is adults just generally don’t care. Like That’s a theme that’s really exploring this film, that part of the the supernatural occurrences that the adults in this town turned a blind eye to all these children missing and getting murdered. Just they are abnormally ambivalent about it. And there’s something about that toe where you could relate to if you remember back as a kid, where real shit is happening in your life and no adult cares or understands what’s going on because it can’t be that bad. Their kids, yes, and then the other aspect is that adults are actually dangerous, right that an adult in a clown costume could actually be wanting to kill you. Yeah, Or, you know, someone could want to rape you or, you know, not have your best interests at heart even though they’re an adult and you’re kind of beholden to them. Yeah, So there’s lots of, like, really cool areas that the story explores in terms of these severe and childhood and the relationships between children and adults. And, um, it’s really great. All of those are things that Stephen King is seemingly just very obsessed with. Yeah, or at least he was in his early career. Yeah, So Pennywise introduced. And it’s just such a great like men. The scars, scars guard is so perfect for this. Hey, he just he just plays it just dead on the voice of the dead stare, the drool that’s dripping out of its huge lip. Yeah, see, here’s Here’s where we might diverge because I actually do like Tim Curry’s Pennywise. I love Curries. Um, I and it’s it’s not very different, especially watching them back to back. I realized that that Curry’s Pennywise is actually still super menacing. Yeah, when he’s talking to the kids because I remember it being kind of like just a clown, you know, just like he’s a goofy ass clown. Yeah, but something’s off because he’s in a storm train. But in reality, Curries voice is still really menacing. He has Pennywise talking to the kids, and so it’s I was kind of latched onto the voice with Bill Sparks Bill Scars guard like I thought it was too scary how you played the clown, but it’s actually pretty similar, and I think he he did do a really good job when I watched the second time. But the thing that’s missing from it 2017 is there’s no real moments where Pennywise is being just a clown, right in the miniseries there is it’s a couple moment, that intro, the setup, the intro that you played. He is being kind of just a clown, right, But But after that, almost almost never, right. Like in the in the miniseries usually sets up some of the more menacing Pennywise scenes with him just being a clown, like just being kind of a goofy like plane with noisemakers and oh, damn, I forgot to pull that cliff wait, get, um, plane with like noisemakers and like Talyn really shitty Chuck’s. But also, you know, making balloons filled with blood pop in your face. Yeah, and, you know, monsters, hands grabbing at you kind of thing, Which, to me makes it more terrifying because it’s this. There’s something scary about a really goofy clown coming after you versus a scary clown that it’s made to be scary, you know, going back to ah, Thio scars Guard versus Curry. I think I think I prefer scars. Guard, Um, they’re both great. They’re both. I mean, it’s it’s hard to compare them, really, and it’s just a matter of taste, I think. What? Ah, what bothers me a little bit about the Curry clown is first of all, he’s perfect to play the clown, right? Because he’s he’s he’s got that face that’s just kind of carny ask, you know, like two big Yeah, it’s too big, It’s tired looking. It’s it’s just it’s ah, 55 year old smoker who’s been smoking since he seven, right? And, um, but simultaneously, it’s not a good pick because it’s Tim fucking Curry, and it’s It’s like, you know, it’s just one of those guys who is so universally known for his for who he is that that it kind of brings me out of it a little bit. I just go. That’s Tim Curry. That’s Tim Curry. Every time ago, though. Look, there’s Tim Curry right there. Yeah, I mean, I think the for me it’s the voice his voice is Penny wise is can go from just goofy to Superman. Insane? Very easily. Yeah, And but in Scar’s guard, I was so shocked at how well he was able to portray just the most evil and menacing clown ever. Just like if you want a scary goddamn clown. He is it. Yeah, no pun intended. Yeah, Bill scars. Guard is is great in a in the that trivia talks about how he researched different cycle. So you looked at Norman Bates and, um, the shining What’s his name from the Shining? Yeah. Yeah, and, ah, Clockwork orange. Just all these. I mean, sounds like mostly Stanley Kubrick psycho films. So really like, you know, looking up through your eyebrows kind of thing. Yeah. So that’s like the major Stanley Kubrick signal of evil. Um, but it’s great. So the major way that this film divulge is from the miniseries ever is the divulge. It diverges, And here it is that it’s a hard R. And it is genuinely shocking when Georgie Arms gets ripped fucking clean off. Yeah, it sets the tone for the whole movie. It just It just goes, Oh, we’re going for it. We’re doing this. Yeah, we’re mutilating little kids, right? And it’s adorable little kid. Oh, man, he’s He’s even cuter than the Georgie from the original right, Which is also very cute. I mean, they’re both really cute little child actors. So Georgie’s arms get ripped off, and then the cat on the porch gives the same reaction that I have. Just like, Whoa, What the fuck? Hey. Well, what happened? Um, my question to you. So is this the best child cast ever? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, aside from from, maybe, ah, what’s that? Stephen King stand by me. I mean, that might be that might be a little better. River Phoenix, and yeah, I don’t even know. I bet if we watched that, then we could realize some of the stout nostalgia. Yeah, Maybe he might be affecting that, like a horse without memories with me. Yeah, I mean, it’s it might be the best child cast like it’s surprising how, how good, it’s really strong. In fact, it’s It’s why stranger things work so well, right? You know, it’s just a perfectly cast kid lineup. And there’s there’s one that’s in both right. The master warn Richie. Yeah, I don’t know if he’s the best one from From stranger Things. He definitely is. And in this movie, in my opinion, I don’t know. I think I think I liked Eddie and ah and Bill a little better in this film. Yeah. I mean, they’re all so good. Yeah, they’re all they’re all good, but yeah, I mean, even even like, what? I just finished the third season of stranger things, and it’s already like there. I haven’t even bothered. They’ve They’ve met their limit. It’s like they’re getting annoying. And there, there, their bag of tricks is pretty limited. Yes, that age. Yet for some reason, with this film, they really found, like, a really good mix of kids that they could pull it off. Yeah, and the bullies in this are perfect. Yeah. I mean, they’re definitely bullies being bullies. Yeah, um, they’re the meanest fucking bullies in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, that’s that is the difference between, you know, generic bullies and the gang of Henry with his last name. Winkler. Henry Winkler. So Henry is like the main bully, and he’s got a gang of friends that have their own gimmicks. Apparently. So there’s the guy that belches l just names belch, and there’s the guy that likes fire. Uh, but Henry is a prodigy, genuinely terrifying in this film in particular because he is really a psychopath. Yeah, he’s convincingly a psychopath. He’s clearly a kid that who has been, I mean, what a great actor like they went to him and they were like, Your dad beats the shit out of out of you every night. Okay, go. And that’s the kid who he portrays, a kid who is just savagely beaten by his by his cop father and who’s told he’s worthless. And just that shit rolls right downhill to all the other kids in school. Yeah, and there’s also some mean girls that urn like the opening of the film, but that never appear again. Yeah, that’s right. That felt kinda tacked on pelican mean girls. But It was just like people are mean to Bev to Yeah. I don’t know if you have to, Like, put that in the film because I think it’s bad enough that she’s kind of rape fire Father. Yeah, all the time. I mean, that’s enough. But also, slut shaming. Yeah, but also slut Shaming. That’s right. I guess that’s the purpose of those mean girls, too. Accuser being a slip. Yeah, but I mean, it works it all. It all set it up perfectly to be thio. Have you feel real empathy for these for these kids to really feel like. Okay, now you’re part of the losers club, you know? Yeah, the the Henry Gang. Think the torments the losers club is really great. And And how they set up him displaying his psychopathy. Yeah, it is great that he attacks Ben the fat kid and let me say great casting for the fat kid sometimes. I mean, I was a fat kid growing up, So when they cast fat kids and they’re just kind of chubby, you like Chunk from it just made me feel miserable, like, Oh, everyone’s ridiculing the kid. That’s like, kind of a little overweight. Just I’m like, actually fat price. You’re not fat, You’re husky. I hated that Maur I that made me feel worse than if my mom was just like, Look at you, fat fucking slob. If she said look at you, fat fucking slob, I’d have felt better than if she was like, No, you’re just husky. Oh, that was my kryptonite. Yeah, Yeah, I really identified with Ben in this in this film is like, you know, when he takes off his shirt, it’s like, Yeah, he’s a fat kid. Yeah, and Ah, and this is another. But this is like, the second portion of the movie that where the the gang is quote unquote picking on on Ben when in reality, they’re fucking carving their name into his stomach. And this is another signal where it’s like, Jesus Christ, this movie is not fucking around at all. What is happening and sorry about that. And the it is just so shocking and also kind of believable. You’re like, Yeah, this could happen. I remember being a kid. There were fucking really tense moments. Where if there is, if there is an actual psychopath. When I was growing up, Yeah, I could I could envision being having initials carved into my stomach. I remember. I remember moments and I can’t even, like, pull them out if singularly. But I definitely remember moments where I was like, Things are super serious right now and my life might be in danger, like, you know, and this is that feeling of things are very bad. And and then the car rolls by as thieves. Kids, We’re cutting him up. Yeah, and, uh, cutting it. Carving his name Henry into India and seeking full H. And it’s like, not not like scrapes. It’s really gonna need stitches. Got cutting into him hard, and ah, then it kicks him and and falls down the hill, which is probably the more frightening thing. And then he screams, I’m gonna cut your fucking tits off. Good God! And this So basically all that to say This movie fucks life, it fucks Yeah, it’s it’s really great. And ah oh, I forgot to pick Play my my clips of belch Oh yeah Play Belge So here’s I love the idea that there’s a character named Belch. His whole purpose is just to belt Yeah, he’s He’s the Belcher. And I almost wish they did it. Maur if it was just more ridiculous if it was literally that’s all he did was belching people. I think you’re on to something I want. I want this character to exist. Uh, wow. Yeah, that was Bravo. Yugo. Here’s belt from it. 2017. Almost like just in the room. Got better than that. Come on. And then here is just for comparison sake Since I pulled it. Here’s Ah, 1990 belch 90 belches 90 wages Way better wait. And also use my boy more goofy in that miniseries. Um, so, yeah, in this film that the