Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Van and Rachel discuss a new viral trend and whether it’s traumatic, funny, or both (19:15). Plus, Jill Biden compares Latinos to breakfast tacos (30:46), concern grows for Orlando Brown following his Bow Wow comments (55:06), and LeBron questions Brittney Griner wanting to return to the U.S. (1:00:56). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel discuss white fans rapping along to lyrics that contain the n-word (6:51), before digging into Pres. Biden’s executive order on abortion access (26:02). Plus, Doja Cat’s ‘Stranger Things’ DM’s become public (41:01) and Herschel Walker says some things (59:16). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel are joined by Rhode Island state Senator Tiara Mack to address "respectability politics" after going viral for twerking (8:49). Then, comedian and podcaster Marlon Palmer joins to discuss a recent tweet about the African diaspora (41:02). Plus, an update on the Brittney Griner situation (1:03:40). Host: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guests: Sen. Tiara Mack and Marlon Palmer Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel react to the latest police shooting that saw an unarmed man shot 60 times in Akron, OH (22:25), before discussing a July 4th weekend of tragedy (38:09). Plus, Brittney Griner pens a letter to President Biden from a Russian prison (1:02:40) and dynamics of the Black diaspora are discussed (1:16:41). Host: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel react to R. Kelly’s 30-year sentence and the "normalization" of his crimes (17:02), plus Ketanji Brown Jackson is officially sworn in (24:26) to the Supreme Court. They are then joined by Marc Goldwein, senior policy director for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, to break down the current state of the U.S. economy (41:07). Host: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Marc Goldwein Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel react to the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade and discuss how people will be immediately affected (13:42), talk about the political and actionable plan going forward (23:26), and compare the Democratic Party to fake Jordans (40:59). Plus, constitutional law professor Caroline Mala Corbin joins to help make some sense of the landmark decision (43:39). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Caroline Mala Corbin Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel react to the Texas GOP’s new platform suggesting secession (8:51), before discussing the mixed reaction to Drake’s new album in the new segment, "This Week in D**k-Riding" (25:19). Plus, Amazon's Alexa could be reaching beyond the grave (53:23). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel dig into the resurfaced DJ Akademiks comments about sex, age, and college (16:34), before discussing the U.S. providing more aid to Ukraine (37:11) and Herschel Walker’s “secrets” coming to light (46:15). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel react to Matt James revealing his frustrations surrounding his ‘Bachelor’ experience (15:05), before welcoming model, author and actress Garcelle Beauvais to discuss a career spanning almost 40 years (30:05). Plus, journalist and co-host of the ‘FANTI’ podcast Jarrett Hill joins to revisit the conversation around Isimemen Etute’s acquittal (1:15:25). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guests: Garcelle Beauvais and Jarrett Hill Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Rachel are joined by James Turk, the defense attorney representing Isimemen Etute, who was found not guilty in the beating death of a man he initially believed to be a woman (8:23). Plus, Michael B. Jordan and Lori Harvey breakup (1:07:47), Herschel Walker does press (1:31:39), and an update on ‘Mountain Lion Watch’ (1:36:51). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: James Turk Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the tragic school shooting in Uvalde, Texas (:14), before being joined by Guns Down America director Igor Volsky (30:15) to discuss pushing the Biden administration to live up to promises made (34:19), and attempting to find hope amidst the circumstances (48:11). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Igor Volsky Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay are back in studio to debate whether or not a Yankees vs. White Sox dustup was sparked by racism (16:11). Plus, concerns around monkeypox grow (39:32), Gunna is denied bond (48:56) and Trump shares post calling for ‘civil war’ (1:11:23). Host: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to Nick Saban’s recent NCAA name, image, and likeness grumbles (11:59), plus the U.S. Women’s National Soccer Team’s successful fight for equal pay (35:43), and Dr. Umar has RG3 talking about his favorite subject (43:28). Also, a Black Lives Matter update (57:03). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Jr. DM ‘Animal Games’ questions to @donbeachjr on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the death of controversial YouTuber Kevin Samuels and the ensuing social media reaction (19:06), before digging into Kendrick Lamar’s ‘The Heart Part 5’ (37:11). Plus, is ‘Black Republican’ an oxymoron (1:06:40)? And the news of Young Thug and Gunna being charged breaks (1:18:22). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay welcome law professor Caroline Mala Corbin to discuss the Supreme Court leak and the potential future of abortion rights (13:31) before comparing Dave Chappelle’s assault to the Will Smith-Chris Rock incident (39:19). Plus, Drake hops in a wife’s DM’s (47:43) and Animal Games is back (1:00:54). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Caroline Mala Corbin Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham DM ‘Animal Games’ questions to @donbeachjr on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the Supreme Court case involving a high school football coach claiming the right to pray after games (14:12), Joe Biden considering student loan cancellation (39:50), and finally—let the Animal Games begin (1:04:34)! Hosts: Van Lathan Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and the Higher Learning crew wish Rachel Lindsay a happy birthday before discussing mixed reactions to the lifting of the transportation mask mandate (22:05). Plus, Mike Tyson punches a guy on a plane (31:45), DJ Envy and wife Gia Casey talk 10 years of faking orgasms (1:05:22), and a Black mayor declares April to be Confederates History Month (1:15:20). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss an inmate’s choice of execution by firing squad (22:06) before switching gears and unpacking Megan Thee Stallion’s Coachella sneak peek (35:25). Plus, acoustic gospel hijacks a flight (57:21), and Kyrie Irving flips off Celtics fans (1:05:11). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay are joined by New York Magazine’s Sean K. Campbell to talk in depth about his investigative reporting on the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (14:20). Then, Van and Rachel discuss Adam Schefter’s insensitive tweet about Dwayne Haskins’s death (1:04:18), Donald Glover’s self-interview (1:16:47), and more. Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Sean K. Campbell Producers: Trudy Joseph and Richie Bozek Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the questions surrounding BLM’s purchasing of a $6 million house (11:05), before co-founder Alicia Garza joins to discuss the accusations (32:18). Plus: Ketanji Brown Jackson is officially confirmed (1:12:04), then it’s Thought Warrior Mailbag time (1:32:43). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Alicia Garza Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to Todd Bowles taking over for Bruce Arians as head coach of Buccaneers (28:46), before digging into the NFL’s changes to the ‘Rooney Rule’ (35:37). Plus, Skip Bayless reflects on being raised by ‘the help’. Our words, not his (54:07). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay go through a step-by-step analysis of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock before winning his first Oscar (3:45), plus Will’s ensuing apology (1:18:45). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Ketanji Brown Jackson’s historic confirmation hearing (22:57) before digging into Kanye West and the 2022 Grammy Awards (48:22), then give their picks for six Oscar categories (16:06). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the controversy surrounding Lia Thomas’s achievement to become the first openly transgender athlete to win a Division I championship (18:27), before welcoming writer Raquel Willis to share her perspective as a trans activist (38:17). Plus, Ketanji Brown Jackson’s confirmation hearing kicks off (1:05:56) and Maury finally gets to retire (1:20:07). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Raquel Willis Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to news that Howard University faculty have threatened to strike (26:53), and discuss the presence of Papa John’s in Russia (53:12). Then, Herschel Walker gave his take on Darwinism (1:08:41) and Colin Kaepernick is ready to suit up (1:28:19). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to Kanye West’s latest online activity, including his threats to D.L. Hughley (18:56), before discussing ‘The Power of the Dog’ director Jane Campion’s trending weekend (32:52). Plus, Washington Post foreign correspondent Isabelle Khurshudyan joins from Odessa, Ukraine, to give us an update on where things stand in the Russia-Ukraine war (44:16). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Isabelle Khurshudyan Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss director Ryan Coogler getting mistaken for a bank robber in Atlanta (20:30), before reacting to Kim Kardashian’s tone-deaf comments about work ethic (40:41). Plus, Jussie Smollett gets sentenced (1:21:44) and some recent Emmanuel Acho comments come under fire (1:29:27). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the news of Calvin Ridley’s suspension for gambling (16:16), before discussing Brittney Griner’s arrest and detainment in Russia (36:19). Plus, Jemele Hill tweets about the belittling of Black women in podcasts (49:34), and we talk sticky bangs (1:02:37). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss President Biden’s first State of the Union address (14:39), before debating reacting to the casting news for the reboot of ‘White Men Can’t Jump’ (39:46). Then reactions to Breonna Taylor’s killer being found not guilty (56:43), and Florida’s "Don’t Say Gay" bill gets one step closer to becoming law (1:02:08). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss images of Africans experiencing racism while fleeing Ukrainian war zones (11:27), and react to President Biden’s Supreme Court nomination of Ketanji Brown Jackson (40:39). Plus, ‘Ridiculousness’ cohost Steelo Brim joins to discuss the long-running MTV show and his ‘Wine & Weed’ podcast (53:34). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Steelo Brim Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the news of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2:19), before welcoming Terrell Jermaine Starr, host of the ‘Black Diplomats’ podcast, to discuss what he’s seeing in Kyiv (19:50). Plus, the disparity between the WNBA and NBA is broken down (40:58), and DJ Akademiks joins to discuss his reporting of the Megan Thee Stallion/Tory Lanez case (52:12). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Terrell Jermaine Starr and DJ Akademiks Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay first discuss their childhood churches (2:00) and then react to the guilty verdict in the federal hate crimes trial of Ahmaud Arbery’s killers (17:00). Next, they talk about Juwan Howard’s altercation after Sunday’s Wisconsin-Michigan game and what type of punishment that merited (36:00), before closing with a conversation about how we talk to our parents about sex (1:11:00). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Kanye West's troublesome social media activity (7:28) before welcoming ‘Jeen-Yuhs’ directors Coodie and Chike to discuss the evolution of Kanye in their new Netflix documentary (26:23). Plus, the NFL hires Loretta Lynch (18:18), and Eric Adams meets with drill rap artists (1:12:44). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Coodie and Chike Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With Super Bowl Sunday behind us, Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay vent their distaste for the current state of big game commercials (8:05) before discussing the concern around drill music and a related rise in violence (12:25). Plus, the memorable halftime performance gets a recap (30:19), and Timothy Ware-Hill joins to discuss a problematic situation (43:02). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Timothy Ware-Hill Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay break down the Biden administration’s harm reduction plan and conversations around the crack pipe headlines (19:08), before discussing new Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel’s response to questions about racial identity (48:34). Plus advocate and NYT bestselling author Anna Malaika Tubbs joins to discuss her new book, ‘The Three Mothers’ (1:01:37). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Anna Malaika Tubbs Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay introduce a new segment, The Big Deal, just in time to discuss the controversy surrounding Joe Rogan and his ensuing apology (5:10). Also, Awkwafina issues a statement via Twitter (50:23), and a reaction to Amir Locke’s unnecessary death and the concept of “no-knock warrants” (1:15:43). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay bring in Black History Month with reactions to former head coach Brian Flores’s decision to sue the NFL for racial discrimination (17:09), before welcoming Peter Rosenberg back for a layered discussion on the Whoopi Goldberg controversy (42:04). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Peter Rosenberg Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan & Rachel Lindsay react to the news of Cheslie Kryst’s unexpected passing (:11), before celebrating the big Rihanna and A$AP Rocky news (13:04). Plus a talk about ‘We Need to Talk About Cosby’ (32:12), then podcaster MacG joins from South Africa to discuss the fallout from his problematic question to Ari Lennox (39:47). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: MacG Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan & Rachel Lindsay react to Joe Biden’s pledge to nominate a Black woman to the Supreme Court (9:37), before Republican candidate Tamika Hamilton joins to discuss her congressional bid as a Black woman in the GOP (24:38). Then, a breakdown of Joe Rogan’s problematic conversation on blackness (1:09:56). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Tamika Hamilton Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay break down a Thought Warrior’s question with producer Trudy Joseph (8:21) before welcoming author, attorney, and political commentator Bakari Sellers to discuss the dire state of politics (30:49) and how citizens can make a difference (52:47). Plus, an interviewer's cringey question to Ari Lennox has the internet abuzz (1:00:26). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Bakari Sellers Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Mitch McConnell’s slip of the mind in differentiating Black people from Americans (17:04) before remembering the life and legacy of André Leon Talley (39:06). Plus, Fresh and Fit go head-to-head with Brittany Renner (41:43) and Awkwafina faces backlash after NAACP Image Award nomination (57:02). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan welcomes Rachel Lindsay back after a week off, and the two catch up on life and loss … the Cowboys' loss (7:23). Plus, with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day behind us, they reflect on the whitewashing of the civil rights icon (17:21) and react to the George Floyd comments on Mario Lopez’s podcast (48:57). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan’s riding solo this week as he and producers Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham react to Joe Biden’s speech on voting rights and Senator Tim Scott’s predictable response (18:54), plus the NFL coming out of the war on race unscathed (34:18). Then, LGBTQ+ journalist Kate Sosin joins to shed some light on 2021 being the deadliest year for transgender people (52:15). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Kate Sosin Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DEK: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay welcome Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona to discuss the closing of achievement disparities (31:44), safely reopening schools (34:33), and why we need algebra (40:47). Plus, convictions in the Ahmaud Arbery murder case come down (56:41) and Urban Meyer’s an even bigger POS than we thought (1:01:44). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay welcome Felicia “Snoop” Pearson to discuss stepping in to complete voice-overs for the late Michael K. Williams in VICE TV’s 'Black Market' (1:28), how her relationship with Williams led to her legendary role on ‘The Wire’ (3:26), and her projects on the way in the future (10:10). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Felicia “Snoop” Pearson Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the ‘Fresh and Fit’ podcast hosts’ declaration about not dating Black women (5:04), then rapper and L.A. native Reason talks the rise in crime in the city and the current state of hip-hop beef (28:11). Plus, New York’s newest mayor draws backlash (1:03:56). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Reason Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay answer a Thought Warrior’s Very Serious Question (2:26) and get excited about the upcoming Janet Jackson documentary (26:06). Plus, epidemiologist and health economist Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding joins to discuss the rise of COVID cases and better ways to prevent and detect the virus (49:40). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the deaths of the legendary Archbishop Desmond Tutu (14:07) and coach-broadcaster John Madden (18:52). Plus, discussing Joe Rogan's suggestion of Michelle Obama for president in 2024 (27:42) and journalist Cerise Castle joins to provide insight on violence from the LAPD and gang affiliation within the department (35:38). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Cerise Castle Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to ex-officer Kim Potter being found guilty of manslaughter in the death of Daunte Wright (15:29) before welcoming a Thought Warrior to the show for the first time to clear up a weeks-long debate (22:29). Plus, Bachelor Nation has its first black couple (34:12), and would Jay-Z be unbeatable in a ‘Verzuz’ battle (44:50)? Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss a relationship scenario with producer Trudy Joseph (4:54), before reacting to the rise in U.S. COVID cases and debate the need for another massive shutdown (20:51). Plus, journalist Judd Legum joins the podcast to shed light on Senator Joe Manchin’s decision to pull support from the Build Back Better bill (36:52), and the hip-hop community mourns the death of Drakeo the Ruler (1:06:11). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Judd Legum Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices