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In this episode of Help Me Teach the Bible, I talked with Mark Futato, the Robert L. Maclellan professor of Old Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida, where he teaches core classes on Hebrew and Old Testament books. Futato has written a number of books on Psalms that flow out not only from his study but also his love for and his living with the Psalms.Topics in the discussion include:whether or not we should make the Psalms “about me”;allowing the organization of Psalms to inform our teaching;common mistakes made in teaching Psalms;the big three kinds of Psalms;how Psalms speaks to our emotions; andsinging the Psalms about Jesus, to Jesus, with Jesus.Recommended audio resources on the Psalms:Mark Futato on Psalm 1, 23Dick Lucas sermons on PsalmsSinclair Ferguson sermons on PsalmsEdmund Clowney sermons and lectures on preaching Christ from the PsalmsRecommended print resources on the Psalms:Knowing the Bible: Psalms: A 12-Week Study by Douglas Sean O’DonnellJourney to Joy: The Psalms of Ascent by Josh Moody (Psalms 120–134)The Psalms: Rejoice, the Lord Is King, Volume 1, Psalms 1 to 41 by James JohnstonTransformed by Praise: The Purpose and Message of the Psalms by Mark FutatoJoy Comes in the Morning: Psalms for All Seasons by Mark FutatoInterpreting the Psalms: An Exegetical Handbook by Mark FutatoPsalms: Cornerstone Biblical Commentary by Mark Futato, George Schwab, and Philip ComfortHow to Read the Psalms by Tremper Longman IIIPsalms 1-72: An Introduction and Commentary by Derek KidnerPsalms 73-150 by Derek Kidner

Recommended Audio ResourcesHans Bayer on context, outline, and thought flow in PhilippiansDick Lucas sermons on PhilippiansJohn Piper sermons on PhilippiansRecommended Print Resources:Philippians: A 12-Week Study by Ryan KellyPhilippians: The Fellowship of the Gospel by R. Kent HughesLet's Study Philippians by Sinclair B. FergusonBasics for Believers: An Exposition of Philippians by D. A. CarsonMessage of Philippians: Jesus Our Joy by Alec Motyer

In this inaugural episode of Help Me Teach the Bible, I talked with John Piper, founder and teacher of Desiring God and chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary, where he taught through the book of Philippians. He called this teaching a “dream come true.” Topics in this interview include:allowing those you teach to discover what the book is about;Paul's love expressed in this personal letter;connecting propositions in Paul's arguments; andthe better by far of being with Christ at death vs. the resurrection of the body.Recommended Audio ResourcesHans Bayer on context, outline, and thought flow in PhilippiansDick Lucas sermons on PhilippiansJohn Piper sermons on PhilippiansRecommended Print Resources:Philippians: A 12-Week Study by Ryan KellyPhilippians: The Fellowship of the Gospel by R. Kent HughesLet's Study Philippians by Sinclair B. FergusonBasics for Believers: An Exposition of Philippians by D. A. CarsonMessage of Philippians: Jesus Our Joy by Alec Motyer

When I began recording interviews for Help Me Teach the Bible in the fall of 2014, I didn’t have a grand plan. At that point I wouldn't have said that I had the goal of recording an episode on every book of the Bible because that would have seemed like an overwhelming task and too much of a commitment. But I just kept doing interviews, and people kept finding the podcast and listening. I kept being stretched and informed and inspired by getting to have these conversations with a lot of people I admired who have helped me in my own teaching. And I have loved it.The podcast now has an episode or two on every book of the Bible as well as over 60 topical episodes on various aspects of getting better at teaching the Bible. For this final* episode I asked my husband to turn the tables and interview me about the podcast itself, and I asked listeners to send in questions they wanted me to answer. We talked about how the idea for the podcast came about, why and how I interviewed the people I did, how my own teaching ministry has developed, and what some of my favorite conversations have been.We will continue to re-release old episodes every couple of weeks. Because most podcast apps only offer a limited number of past episodes, we’ll start again from the beginning, posting the earliest episodes from the podcast, which means that the next episode will be an interview with John Piper on teaching the book of Philippians.Listeners who want to communicate with me about the podcast can send me a message using the contact page at nancyguthrie.com. Thank you for listening. I hope it has been a help and blessing to you.* I reserve the right to record a new episode here and there going forward when I’m with someone brilliant and I just have to talk to about something that would help Help Me Teach the Bible listeners.

It’s the shortest book in the Old Testament—only twenty-one verses—and I don’t think I’ve heard it preached or taught. According to my guest, Jonathan Gibson, associate professor of Old Testament at Westminster Theological Seminary, the message of this short book is “the realization of the Lord’s sovereignty and the role reversal of Edom and Judah on the day of the Lord.”Essential to understanding and teaching the book is its connection to the narrative of Jacob and Esau as Obadiah applies events in the individual biographies of Esau and Jacob to Edom and Judah. Rather than teaching Obadiah as a warning against human pride, Gibson suggests that the book should be presented as as the outworking of God’s covenant promise to Abraham to bless those who blessed him and curse those who dishonored him.Books by Jonathan GibsonFrom Heaven He Came and Sought Her: Definite Atonement in Historical, Biblical, Theological, and Pastoral Perspective (Editor with David Gibson)Reformation Worship: Liturgies from the Past for the PresentThe Moon is Always RoundRecommended Resources on ObadiahNIV Proclamation BibleESV Expository Commentary, Volume VII with commentary on Obadiah by Max RoglandThe Minor Prophets, Volume Two edited by Thomas Edward McComisky, with commentary on Obadiah by Jeffrey J. NiehausObadiah message by David CookObadiah message by Christopher WrightObadiah lecture (RTS) by Richard Belcher

Leviticus is the place where the best of intentions to read through the Bible often stall out. But it is a book that Jay Sklar, professor of Old Testament and vice president of academics at Covenant Seminary in St. Louis, MO, has studied and written about prolifically. Sklar's doctoral studies focused on the theology of sin, impurity, sacrifice, and atonement in the Old Testament sacrificial system. He contributed to the study notes of Leviticus for the ESV Study Bible, the introduction and notes for Leviticus for The Gospel Transformation Bible, and he wrote a commentary on Leviticus for the Tyndale Old Testament Commentary Series (InterVarsity Press).In this conversation, Dr. Sklar delineates five reasons Leviticus is a challenging book to read and understand, as well as to teach:It is mostly law, which is unappealing to most of us.It is culturally strange.It emphasizes ritual which we tend to assume is meaningless.Its laws and teachings appear to be unfair or unjust.It is hard to fit into the larger story of the Bible.But Sklar also offers keen insights into how to make sense of the book and break down some of the barriers of interest in the book. He also talks about how to present Christ through discussing issues that arise in the book such as slavery, homosexuality, ritual impurity, and disability.Recommended Resources by and from Jay SklarThe Book of Leviticus (New International Commentary on the Old Testament) by Gordon J. WenhamLeviticus (Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries) by Jay SklarHow to Read the Bible for All Its Worth by Gordon Fee and Douglas StuartJay Sklar’s Page (Covenant Seminary website) which includes audio, video, and a printable resource for preaching and teaching Leviticus

In the years I’ve spent in the church listening to sermons and teaching, I can think of very few times that I have heard direct applications from the text made to the sin of racism or the sin of apathy toward injustice. Maybe I just didn’t have the ears to hear it. In my own teaching, I may have mentioned racism in a list of sins, or mentioned it as one of the things that will be “no more” in the new heaven and new earth, but I don’t think I’ve ever used an opportunity teaching in a passage to challenge these sins. I want to do better, and I imagine there are a lot of others who do too.That is why I asked two excellent Bible teachers who bring a great deal of experience and credibility to this topic to have a conversation with me about how to rightly and helpfully apply the Bible to the sin of racism. Irwyn Ince is a pastor at Grace DC Presbyterian Church and director of the Grace DC Institute for Cross-Cultural Mission. He has contributed to the books Heal Us Emmanuel and All Are Welcome: Toward a Multi-Everything Church and is author of the new book The Beautiful Community: Unity, Diversity, and the Church at Its Best. Sean Michael Lucas, senior minister of Independent Presbyterian Church, Memphis, Tennessee, is the author of numerous books on people and institutions with a history tainted by racism including, Robert Lewis Dabney: A Southern Presbyterian Life,The Legacy of Jonathan Edwards: American Religion and the Evangelical Tradition,Blessed Zion: First Presbyterian Church, Jackson, Mississippi, 1837-2012, andFor a Continuing Church: The Roots of the Presbyterian Church in America.

Few teachers are rushing to teach the book of 1 Chronicles. Perhaps that's because they have already taught through 1–2 Samuel and 1–2 Kings and so much from these earlier books is repeated in 1–2 Chronicles. But according to Richard Pratt, president and co-founder of Third Millennium Ministries and author of the volume on 1–2 Chronicles in the Mentor Commentary series, to not study these books because of repeated material would be similar to a person not studying Mark or Luke because they’ve already studied Matthew. The Chronicler intentionally diverged from the records of Samuel and Kings to reveal his theological perspectives, and, according to Pratt, this perspective does not take away from the credibility of the book. Rather it serves the purpose of the book, which is to direct his audience to reconsider what they believed about the people of God, about the king and the temple, and about God’s blessings and curses.Rather than simply thinking of the book as historical chronology, we should also view it as representing an underlying logical argument, a step-by-step effort at persuasion. In this conversation, Pratt talks about how best to handle the first nine chapters of the book (a lengthy genealogy of the twelve tribes), the importance of the term “all Israel” that is used throughout the book, and the unique contribution the book makes to what we understand about the role of music in worship.Recommended Resources:Pratt’s section on 1–2 Chronicles in A Biblical-Theological Introduction to the Old Testament: The Gospel Promised1 & 2 Chronicles: A Mentor Commentary by Richard PrattESV Expository Commentary: Ezra–Job, Volume 4Who Needs The Chronicles? We Do.Knowing the Bible: 1-2 Chronicles, a 12-week Practical Study Series on the Books of 1-2 Chronicles (TGC Course)

What are the essentials to good Bible study materials? And what makes a small group Bible study work well? Are we going to take prayer requests? Will there be homework or no homework? What makes the difference between good questions in curriculum and questions that frustrate the group?These are the kinds of questions I talked through with Lydia Brownback who has just embarked on creating a new series of Bible study resources called the Flourish Bible Study series for which she plans to create three new studies a year for ten years. We talked about the importance of defining terms, studying a book of the Bible in the larger context of the Bible’s story and message, and the best way to go about making personal application. Because Brownback is a senior editor at Crossway books, I also asked her about the advice she gives when people ask her about how they can get a book published. Her bottom line? It’s really hard.

All of us who dare to stand up and teach the Bible are teachers in progress. We all have ways we can get better.Recently I got to sit down with Mark Meynell who, in his role as director of Europe and the Caribbean for Langham Preaching, spends most of his time traveling to different parts of the world to help teachers and preachers get better at handing the Bible. According to Meynell, Bible teachers all over the world lament the same thing—a lack of time to do the kind of study they want to do on the text. His word to teachers is: "You make time for what you think is important.” Meynell says that the marks of really good Bible teaching include faithfulness to the set, relevance to the audience, and clarity in delivery. Our discussion included tips on how to discover the tics we all have as teachers that make it hard for our audience to listen to us, how to and how not to bring in passages outside of our main text into our talks, and the way in which John Stott modeled for him what it looks like to be a life-long learner.Meynell is the author of numerous books including What Angels Long to Read (Langham Preaching Resources, 2017), When Darkness Seems My Closest Friend (IVP, 2018) and his most recent, Colossians and Philemon for You (Good Book, 2018). He blogs at markmeynell.net.

The book of Ecclesiastes raises so many questions. Who is Qoheleth? Who wrote the book? Is life really meaningless? Are we supposed to just eat, drink and be merry?After putting it off for forty years as many fine preachers and teachers have done before him, Harry Reeder, senior pastor of Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Alabama, finally preached through Ecclesiastes. In our conversation, we talked about the things that make the book challenging to teach and how to organize teaching through the book. According to Reeder, Ecclesiastes has a lot to teach us about how to approach life and death, as well as the promise of life beyond death.Recommended resources:Preacher’s Toolkit: How Should I Preach EcclesiastesEcclesiastes: Why Everything Matters (Preaching the Word) by Philip Graham RykenLiving Life Backward: How Ecclesiastes Teaches Us to Live in Light of the End by David GibsonEcclesiastes: A 12-Week Study by Justin HolcombSermon Series on Ecclesiastes by Harry ReederSermon series on Ecclesiastes by Kevin DeYoung

In these days of COVID-19, plenty of people are asking if the virus is a judgment from God, if he is sending a message to us.I recorded this conversation on the book of Joel with Paul House, professor of Old Testament at Beeson Divinity School, prior to the spread of the virus, but his points about God’s message in disaster to call out to the Lord has proved to be timely. Disasters, he says, should cause us to ask, “What have we as a people and a nation been doing? It certainly hasn’t been looking to the Lord. So without going into direct causation, these are meant to get people to repent."House presents the book as Joel preaching on Deuteronomy 28 and Exodus 34, using vivid imagery to warn of the awful reality of God’s judgments. Joel calls the people of God to turn toward God, assuring them that "even now, if they return to the Lord with all their heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning, he will be gracious and merciful and relent from disaster." House offers insight on the locusts in the book, the meaning of the the Day of the Lord, and how to present the mercy of Christ for sinners from the book of Joel.Recommended Resources:Sermon Series on Joel by Sinclair FergusonSermon Series on Joel by Christopher AshMessage on Joel by John PiperESV Expository Commentary: Daniel-MalachiThe Restoration: God’s Precious Promise for the Future by Willem VanGemeren

I spoke to Brian Tabb, academic dean and associate professor of biblical studies at Bethlehem College and Seminary, general editor for Themelios, and author of 1-2 Timothy and Titus: A 12 Week Study in the Knowing the Bible study guide series from Crossway. In our conversation, Tabb answers the question, “What is the book of Titus about?” in several ways including, “Titus is about the gospel at work,” “It’s about being saved for good,” and “Titus is about the organic connection between what is taught and caught.”Over the course of our conversation Tabb helps Bible teachers understand the unique setting of the ministry of Titus—the island of Crete and Cretans who have been saved by grace—as well as the role of good works in the life of a Christian. We also talk about what it looks like to “adorn the gospel” in the way we live it out.Resources recommended by Brian Tabb:The Letters to Timothy and Titus (The Pillar New Testament Commentary) by Robert W. Yarbrough1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus (The Expositor's Bible Commentary) by Robert L. Thomas and Andreas J. KöstenbergerCommentary on 1-2 Timothy and Titus (Biblical Theology for Christian Proclamation) by Andreas J. KöstenbergerRecommended Audio Resources:Talks on Titus by Carrie SandomTalks on Titus by Jamie ChildSermons on Titus by Alistair Begg

Colin Smith is senior pastor of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church, a thriving, multi-campus church located in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, and a TGC Council member. He's also president of Unlocking the Bible, a ministry that seeks to root people in the Word of God through their website, publishing, podcast and radio program.When Smith asked me to read his newest book, For All Who Grieve: Navigating the Valley of Sorrow and Loss in view of offering an endorsement, not only was I glad to endorse it, I discovered that the book is really an exposition through the book of Lamentations. Lamentations is a book that, I think it is safe to say, very few preachers and teachers teach all the way through. Written by Jeremiah, who endured one manifestation of the divine judgment the Bible consistently calls ‘the day of the Lord,’ this brief book not only includes vivid descriptions of judgment; it offers compelling prayers that confess sin, express renewed hope, and declare total dependence on God’s grace.In our conversation, Smith explained how he structured his own sermon series on Lamentations into four messages on: 1) Tears and Talk, 2) Guilt and Grievance, 3) Hope and Healing, and 4) Prayer and Praise. He also explained some of the ways this book, written by a prophet weeping over Jerusalem, points to the greater prophet who will also weep over Jerusalem. The man of sorrows seems to speak through Lamentations, saying along with the writer, “I am the man who has seen affliction under the rod of his wrath” (3:1) and, "Though I call and cry for help, he shuts out my prayer" (3:8).Recommended ResourcesThe Message of Lamentations by Christopher WrightJeremiah and Lamentations: From Sorrow to Hope by Philip Graham RykenLamentations, Habakkuk and Zephaniah: A 12-Week Study by Camden BuceyFive Festal Garments: Christian Reflections on the Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes and Esther by Barry WebbBible Book of the Month—Lamentations by Meredith G. Kline

We have four gospels. Each of the gospels tell the story of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus in different ways, targeting different audiences, and with different purposes.In this conversation, I asked Benjamin Gladd, associate professor of New Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, Mississippi, and author of the new book, The Story Retold: A Biblical-Theological Introduction to the New Testament, to walk listeners through the book of Luke looking for the particular larger biblical themes Luke seems to be most concerned with impressing upon his readers. The kingdom of God is a focus of each of the gospels, but Gladd suggests that Luke is most concerned with how a person gets into the kingdom, which is through faith in Christ. In addition, Gladd highlights the themes of the nations and Gentiles, Jesus as the obedient son, his journey narrative as a second exodus, the temple, and paradise, suggesting that at the resurrection of Jesus, heaven itself changed.Suggested resources:The Story Retold: A Biblical Theological Introduction to the New Testament by G.K. Beal and Benjamin L. GladdFrom Adam and Israel to the Church: A Biblical Theology of the People of God by Benjamin L. GladdHidden but Now Revealed: A Biblical Theology of Mystery by G. K. Beale and Benjamin L. GladdLuke (2 Volumes) Reformed Expository Commentary by Phlip RykenLuke: A 12-Week Study by C.D. Jimmy Agan III

If you’ve heard a sermon on Zephaniah that you can remember, likely it was on Zephaniah 3, where we are told that the Lord will “rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.” We like that part. But we don’t get to this kind of hopeful assurance in the book of Zephaniah until chapter 3. So what do we do with all of the judgment in Zephaniah when we’re teaching through this book?William Wood, assistant professor of Old Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary Atlanta, who is currently finalizing his doctoral dissertation on the use of the Old Testament in the book of Zephaniah, tells us in this conversation. Wood says that the book of Zephaniah is summarized by the line: “Those who exalt themselves will be humbled; those who humble themselves will be exalted.” Wood also demonstrates how to connect the promises in the book of Zephaniah to the clothing of the priests, the story of Dagon, Pentecost, and the ultimate Day of the Lord.

Oftentimes Nehemiah is the book that gets preached through when a church building campaign comes around. Or Nehemiah is used as an example of a prayerful, strategic, and effective leader for a series on leadership. But is seeing and teaching the book of Nehemiah through the lens of wall-builder or inspiring leader the best way to approach the book?Aaron Messner, senior pastor of Westminster Presbyterian Church in Atlanta, Georgia, suggests there is more. The building language of the book of Nehemiah is showing us something about the building up of God's covenant people, the church, which is being built with living stones led by one greater than Nehemiah.Recommended Audio ResourcesSermon series on Ezra, Haggai and Nehemiah by Aaron MessnerSermon series on Nehemiah by Alistair BeggSermon series on Nehemiah by Derek ThomasRecommended Print ResourcesNehemiah: Rebuilt and Rebuilding by Kathleen Buswell NielsonEzra and Nehemiah: A 12-Week Study by Kathleen Buswell NielsonExalting Jesus in Ezra and Nehemiah by James Hamilton, Jr.

Habakkuk had some significant questions for God. And God’s answers were hard to hear. But God told Habakkuk to write down what God was showing him because future generations would need to hear it. We need to hear it. Those we teach need to hear it.In this episode of Help Me Teach the Bible, David Helm, lead pastor of the Hyde Park congregation of Holy Trinity Church in Chicago and chairman of the board of the Charles Simeon Trust, walks listeners through the short three-chapter book of Habakkuk, helping us to trace its argument, feel its poetic pathos, and sing its song. We spend time on how to handle Habakkuk’s important statement “the righteous will live by faith.” We also talk about Habakkuk's faith-filled determination to trust God in the disaster that is about to come down on his people as God determines to use the Babylonians to deliver his judgment.Recommended Print Resources:Habakkuk: A Wrestler with God by Walter J. ChantryNahum, Habakkuk, and Zephaniah:The New International Commentary of the Old Testament by O. Palmer RobertsonLamentations, Habakkuk, and Zephaniah: A 12-Week Study by Camden BuceyRecommended Audio Resources:Sermon series on Habakkuk from Holy Trinity Church Sermon series on Habakkuk by Alistair BeggMessage on Habakkuk by Colin Smith

The book of 2 Kings begins with the prophet Elijah being taken up into heaven in a chariot of fire, and it ends with Jerusalem being destroyed by fire with plenty of action and intrigue in between. So how do we make the most of teaching this book, clearly presenting its message and getting to the greater Elisha and the greater king it points toward?Andrew Sach, pastor of Grace Church Greenwich in greater London, has been teaching (and, interestingly enough, rapping) through the books of 1 and 2 Kings. He is also working on a book on 1 and 2 Kings for his Dig Deeper series. Having listened to some of his messages in person and others online, I noted nine things Andrew did as a teacher that make his teaching clear and compelling, which we worked through in our conversation. Andrew demonstrates how Elijah and Elisha relate to John the Baptist and Jesus at numerous points in their stories. He also talks about how the story of the northern tribes of Israel presents an opportunity to get to Christ as the ultimate prophet, while the southern tribes of Judah present an opportunity to get to Christ as the true king.Suggested Audio Resources:Sermon series on 2 Kings by Andrew SachChapel series on 2 Kings by Gary Millar “Life Among the Remnant,”a sermon series on 2 Kings, by Dale Ralph DavisPrint resources:Dig Deeperby Nigel Beyond and Andrew Sach2 Kings: The Power and the Fury by Dale Ralph Davis1-2 Kings: A 12-Week Study by Gavin Ortlund1 Kings(Reformed Expository Commentary Series) by Philip Ryken

Hosea is a book that tells a heart-breaking story—for some a perplexing story—about a prophet told to marry a prostitute. It’s a book that is filled with cycle after cycle of promises of judgment. But, according to David Murray, professor of Old Testament and practical theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary, Hosea is a book that gives teachers the opportunity to present people with vivid pictures of God as a faithful husband intent on loving his unfaithful wife, a parent whose heart is twisted up inside him over the impact of his child’s sin, and so much more. In context of all of God’s uncomfortable promises to judge his people in heart-breaking ways, Murray points out God’s repeated promises throughout the book to live, to save, to redeem, and to restore his people to himself after they’ve wandered away from him. Mentioned in this episodePreparing a sermon using The Compelling Communicator (video demonstration)Murray’s Top Online Articles on Christ in the Old Testament30 “I Wills” from HoseaJesus on Every Page by David MurrayExploring the Bible Together: A 52-Week Family Worship Plan by David Murray (releases May, 2020)Meeting with Jesus: A Daily Bible Reading Plan for Kids by David Murray (releases March, 2020)The Word of the Lord video session on Hosea by Nancy Guthrie

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