The Trump-Musk Fallout + A DOGE Coder Speaks + ChefGPT
“We're having a broligarchy blowup of the highest order.”
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Show Notes
This week, Kevin and Casey discuss the sudden breakdown between President Trump and Elon Musk, whose disagreements over the policy bill before Congress quickly erupted into an all-out feud. Then, an ex-DOGE coder explains what it was really like to work inside the Trump administration’s cost-cutting arm. And finally, the former New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells explains why some chefs are turning to A.I. for inspiration.
Guests:
- Sahil Lavingia, C.E.O. of Gumroad, who spent 55 days working for DOGE
- Pete Wells, New York Times restaurant critic from 2012 through 2024
Additional Reading:
- If Elon Musk and President Trump Divorce, Who Gets Silicon Valley?
- This Year’s Hot New Tool for Chefs? ChatGPT.
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