Episode 249- Anti 2A Reversing Course?

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun laws, Second Amendment, felons’ rights, rights restoration, anti-gun movement, racial disparity,

knife rights, Delaware switchblade ban, illegal alien police officer, Maine gun laws, UK knife laws, self-

defense, compliance letter, gun ownership, New Jersey gun law.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Evan Nappen 00:15

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17

And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:19

And welcome to Gun Lawyer. Hey, Teddy, did you catch The Trace? Now, you know The Trace is, of

course, the mouthpiece for the anti-Second Amendment. Let’s just call them suppressionists. The rights

suppression movement.

Teddy Nappen 00:40

We can just call them what they are, which is a bunch of closeted hoplosexuals.

Evan Nappen 00:44

Well, they are. And the thing is, The Trace is, of course, where we do opposition research. You’ve

always got to see what’s going on with them. But I have to admit, they actually surprised me with one of

their latest articles. This is from The Trace, and it says allowing people with felony convictions to seek

to have their rights restored may, in fact, help with the enforcement of gun laws.

(https://www.thetrace.org/2025/07/gun-rights-felony-laws-trump-doj-bruen/) In other words, they are

now putting out that, essentially, President Trump’s efforts to restore the Relief From Disabilities, which

has been unavailable for 33 years now for good people to get their rights back, you know, that they are

now taking a position, apparently, at least putting it out there, the idea that this might actually help

enforce and protect gun laws. Now, how can that be? How can they now be quasi in favor of rights

restoration? It’s an interesting article, although it does contain a coverup in the article, and I want to get

into that coverup.

Page – 1 – of 15Teddy Nappen 02:16

If I were to guess, without even reading the article, just to go off a guess. This is them trying to, from I

believe it was the previous article where they were fully aware of the racist history of gun laws. So, now

they’re trying to cover themselves.

Evan Nappen 02:33

Au contraire. They do not admit to gun laws being racist. They haven’t so far.

Teddy Nappen 02:38

Oh, sorry.

Evan Nappen 02:38

They haven’t gone that far, because that would be a legitimate basis for them to maybe even have an

epiphany.

Teddy Nappen 02:44

That would require common sense.

Evan Nappen 02:46

There is virtually a six to one conviction race ratio of blacks to whites, Teddy. But they didn’t do that.

Teddy Nappen 02:53

Of course not.

Evan Nappen 02:53

That would be too much. No, no. Yeah. What they’re saying is that, you know, they’re in fear of the

impact of the trifecta of the Supreme Court cases – Heller, McDonald and Bruen. And as these

challenges to the gun laws are more and more successful, they’re in fear that going after the prohibition

of felons having guns, where you have an absolute prohibitor, of which the ability to get your rights

restored under federal law had been precluded for these 33 years, thanks to Charles Schumer in 1992

who defunded the program, even though the law has still been on the books, but no one can take

advantage of it. They realize that, hey, that’s actually making them potentially vulnerable to having the

law completely overturned. So, they’re now taking a, you know, somewhat here, putting out the position

that this could actually be beneficial to saving a gun prohibition.

Evan Nappen 04:07

But the gun prohibition they’re looking to save is that of felons not having guns. And what’s interesting

about that is there are some folks in even the pro-Second Amendment rights community that don’t want

felons to have guns because they are not aware of, in effect, the incredible broad stroke of when you

just stop all felons from having guns. There are many felons that are non-violent felons, that were one-

time offenders, that have proven themselves to be good people, law-abiding citizens that aren’t violent,

that are no way a danger, and they’re still precluded from their rights. And there is that horrible disparity

between whites and blacks that needs to be addressed. And remember, with that kind of prohibition

going on with gun possession, it’s not just the ability for individuals to have guns, but it’s for those

Page – 2 – of 15people being denied this right to also work in professions where firearm possession is required, like

police work or military, etc. So, you not only get precluded from being able to defend yourself, from

being able to exercise your Second Amendment right for your pure enjoyment or to go hunting, but also

to get better jobs. And so that would be great, but they don’t talk about that.

Evan Nappen 05:38

Instead, they talk about how this may, in fact, have the ability to protect it. But of course, they don’t

want the relief from disabilities mechanism to be too broad. They don’t want it to be, you know, too

many people getting their rights back. God forbid. They want to make it as small as possible putting

forward these concerns. And they also don’t like that. They don’t think that enough money is being

charged for individuals to get their rights back, and that, of course, again, raises a disproportionate for

those that are less financially able to get their rights back, which often includes more minorities than

not. And again, they’re all for that, you see. No, no. We’ve got to make it, keep it expensive. Keep it

expensive. But the thing that really makes me laugh is the coverup in this where they discuss, how this

ever, how did this, you know, take place. How did this happen? This funding limitation of Schumer. So,

do they mention that?

Teddy Nappen 06:59

I have an idea. Oh, it’s because they’re getting so offended that people are being called “felons” that

they want to shift over to “incarcerated persons”. They don’t want to offend anybody.

Evan Nappen 07:13

No, no. It is very much in their playbook. But this is actually, here’s what they say. And let’s take a little

deeper dive into what they’re saying. They say in the article, how does this proposal get around the

funding limitations? Because remember, it was (Senator Charles) Schumer who banned it, and they

don’t mention Schumer and the Democrats being the culprit of stopping rights restoration. They don’t

happen to mention that little fact, but we’re going to mention it. Then they ask, well, how does this

work? And they say, well, Congress just stopped ATF from spending money on this. Oh, is that all?

Congress just said one day, hey, let’s just stop funding relief from disabilities. No, it took Democrats

headed by Schumer to stop this. But, you know, the Republicans failed to keep the funding. I will say

that. But it isn’t like Congress just stopped it. But no, no. That’s how they want to portray it. Congress

just stopped it, and it didn’t stop any other part of the Justice Department.

Evan Nappen 08:21

What they’re saying here is that now Trump, you know, is now allowing the funding by having it done

through a different part of the Department of Justice, which is true. But let’s really look at why the

funding stopped. And what makes me laugh about it is the reason the funding stopped. It was a specific

effort by the anti 2A oppressionists to do this. So, let’s not forget history. Let’s take a little stroll back as

to why rights restoration that they now see as a potential to even preserve certain gun control laws that

they like. How did the funding end? It ended, essentially, with great efforts expended by the

suppressionists, and you can see this for yourself. There’s a book by Josh Sugarmann. And look at

that. It came out in 1992. Oh, right when Schumer ended the funding. And what is the book? You can

go and look it up on the online books page. It’s called, “Putting Guns Back Into Criminals’ Hands: 100

Case Studies of Felons Granted Relief From Disability Under Federal Firearms Laws”. Oh, Josh

Page – 3 – of 15Sugarmann. You know who Josh Sugarmann is? He’s the head of the Violence Policy Center. The VPC

is the original gun rights suppression organization.

Evan Nappen 10:02

The VPC essentially has been largely, you know, surpassed in its influence now by things like, you

know, Bloomturd and The Trace and Giffords and all that. However, you can go right online to the so-

called archive series of the Violence Policy Center, and you can download their piece of propaganda

called, “Guns For Felons: How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals”. “Enforcement” – The NRA Way.

Guns for felons: brought to you by the NRA. And it’s the VPC. And what do they do? This study was

written by Kristen Rand, Josh Sugarmann, and Caroline Leedy, and their introduction says it all. The

NRA claims that it supports vigorous enforcement of our nation’s gun laws and efforts to keep guns out

of the hands of criminals. Yet the NRA has actually worked to put guns back into criminals’ hands. Oh

my, what is The Trace talking about? Are they now working or on the side of putting guns back in

criminals’ hands? Like they stopped for 33 years with the gun rights suppression movement? No, it’s

just that Congress stopped it. Congress just stopped it. No. Congress didn’t just stop it. It was the anti-

rights lobby that stopped it, and it has been a terrible injustice against minorities. It has been a terrible

injustice against American citizens in regaining their rights, and now they suddenly see it as a way to

salvage gun control laws. And I’ll tell you what, it goes even deeper. Yeah, well, Teddy, it goes even

deeper than that.

Teddy Nappen 12:11

I will say, just kind of thinking on this. You and I kind of read. We catch and read articles from The

Trace. I would love to meet one of these people from The Trace. Just to have a conversation and

actually ask them like, guys, do realize what you’re pushing for? The hypocrisy is staggering.

Evan Nappen 12:35

They don’t care. They don’t care. Teddy, they banned logic in 1968, man. They don’t care.

Teddy Nappen 12:41

I know.

Evan Nappen 12:42

But I hear you. Maybe we can make them explode, like the computer on Star Trek with just the logic

going on here.

Teddy Nappen 12:50

Well, I know, but it’s a.

Evan Nappen 12:51

Yeah, yeah. Well, it doesn’t just end there. You can actually go to the U.S. Department of Justice right

now, the Office of Justice Programs, where they have a virtual library, the NCJRS Virtual Library, which

houses over 235,000 criminal justice resources. And right there is the article, “Guns for Felons: How

the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals”. (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/putting-guns-

back-criminals-hands-100-case-studies-felons-granted) So, our own Justice department keeps alive the

Page – 4 – of 15very propaganda piece that this now discusses. So, it’s there. The history is there. It isn’t just that

“Congress stopped it”. It was done by their efforts. So, when we all fight for our rights, this is what we’re

fighting. We’re fighting for our Second Amendment rights and the oppressionists are there to try to stop

it. To propagandize, to say, you know, NRA is rearming criminals and blow it out of proportion. And

now, when reality has sunk in, after 33 years, and when President Trump and the DOJ is finally taking

action to put this program back that has been on the books as law. The law wasn’t ever repealed, just

the funding. So that nobody’s application could be processed. That’s where you see the truth emerging,

and them trying to run for cover. Trying to erase history, but we can’t let it be forgotten that the problem

is them.

Teddy Nappen 14:49

Now, I want Josh Sugarmann to put out a new book, “100 cases that Donald Trump has helped restore

someone rights”.

Evan Nappen 14:59

Hopefully, it’ll be hundreds of thousands that get their rights back. It’s long overdue, long overdue. And,

you know, to just wipe out a Constitutional right like that. Imagine if we said felons have no right to free

speech or felons have no right to the religion of their choice. Well, these are all our Constitutional rights.

Yet, somehow for felons, that’s fine. You know, that’s what we do. And this whole expansion on felons

is a disgusting abuse, and it’s abused. It’s abused to just become another tool of gun rights

suppression.

Evan Nappen 15:44

Hey, I do have some good news that I want to quickly mention, and that is on knife rights. Because

remember, it’s not just the right to keep and bear arms, Teddy. I mean the right to keep and bear guns.

It’s the right to keep and bear arms. And you and I both are fans of knives. We love our edged weapons

as well, and I think we’re going to talk more about that. You were telling me something very interesting

about that, and we should talk about later. But what I want to mention here. Did you know that

Delaware now has repealed their ban on switchblade knives? That’s right. Delaware has joined the

knife liberty movement, thanks to Knife Rights. (KnifeRights.org) This movement, which I was an

essential part of, helped make it happen, in effect, helping to start it with knife rights in 2010 in New

Hampshire. Now we have yet another state, which is Delaware, that has repealed their knife laws.

Evan Nappen 16:55

Since we started in New Hampshire, Knife Rights has gotten 21 states to repeal their bans on

switchblades and knives. The knife liberty movement is alive and well, and now we have yet another

state, Delaware, who has enacted knife reform. So, that is really great. And you know, Knife Rights is

just a great group. Since 2010, there’s been 57 bills and court decisions with Knife Rights working hard

on all these. Repealing knife bans and protecting knife owners in 36 states and over 200 cities. Of

course, New Jersey is going to be one of the last ones to fall, but I’m confident that it will, in fact, fall.

We’re working on it, and we’re also working on repealing the FSA, the Federal Switchblade Act. We’re

working on getting full knife liberty as well as firearms, and that’s important. That all our rights and all

these things get protected, of course. So, that is good, good news.

Page – 5 – of 15Evan Nappen 18:16

But you know, Teddy, there’s something really that’s just back to the felons in possession that I just

want to mention. I wanted to mention to you. I don’t know if you heard about what happened in Maine.

You know, Maine is off the wall when it comes to their protection of illegals, their protection of men in

women’s sports and all this kind of crazy stuff. And you’d think, Maine, you know, of all the places. Well,

this ain’t Maine, like why Maine? Well, Maine, unfortunately, has political issues with the looney left

exerting itself. Well, Maine actually made, in this town in Maine, they made an illegal alien, a Jamaican

illegal alien, was allowed to become a police officer. (https://notthebee.com/article/ice-arrests-illegal-

alien-who-was-working-a-police-officer-in-maine)

Evan Nappen 19:14

Now, think about that. Here we have someone who’s illegally here, breaking American immigration law,

being made a law enforcement officer to enforce the laws on citizens of America. Now that right there is

crazy enough, and they allowed that. But guess what? He got caught. And he got caught, not because

of this insanity of Maine, but because he illegally tried to get a gun. What nailed him was a NICS check

when he went to get a gun. Lo and behold, his firearm. And there’s pictures of him you can see online

with his firearm on his person, even. He’s an illegal alien. He can’t have a gun. He can’t purchase a

gun.

Teddy Nappen 20:06

Does it say what he was trying to buy?

Evan Nappen 20:08

No, I don’t know. Let me see. I didn’t catch exactly what it was. Apparently, it was a handgun, of course.

But yeah. So, ICE arrested the illegal alien who was hired as a police officer in Maine after he

attempted to buy a gun. And this is really something.

Teddy Nappen 20:32

I just realized now, and it’s pretty funny. I remember seeing it said that the NSA, DOJ and ATF would

be cooperating with ICE. I thought they were just going to be moving units over to help them with

immigration. I didn’t think the NICS check would be a way of how they would catch illegals. That’s

hilarious.

Evan Nappen 20:53

Well, interestingly, President Trump’s reinvigoration of the restoration of rights will not allow illegal

aliens to obtain firearms. So, I guess The Trace would be good with that, too. I would hope they would

be, right? You know, no, they probably wouldn’t be. They would probably say no. That would be the

exception they would make. Only illegal aliens should be able to possess guns in America. Nobody

else, just illegals. That’s fine, you know. No problem, right?

Teddy Nappen 21:29

Do they say where he tried to get it? Because it would be very hilarious.

Page – 6 – of 15Evan Nappen 21:34

From a dealer. It didn’t say.

Teddy Nappen 21:35

Yeah, I know. I know, but it’d be kind of funny. If he was driving, and, you know, they caught him

outside Bob’s Clam Hut near Kittery.

Evan Nappen 21:45

Yeah, I don’t know where he went to get it, but that, you know. But, yeah, I love the clams of Bob’s

Clam Hut. Oh, man, we love them. They’re really good.

Teddy Nappen 21:54

I know, but that’s why I just, would have. It would have been. Just every time we go to the Kittery

Trading Post, we’ll just see. I

Evan Nappen 21:59

I don’t think it was Kittery. Who knows where he went? It doesn’t matter. The dealer did right. The

dealer, you know, followed the law, and did the NICS check. And lo and behold, he gets caught. Well,

there you go. You know, maybe you shouldn’t be hiring illegal aliens to be police officers. Maybe that’s

like, the starting point here.

Teddy Nappen 22:19

I really want that conversation. I really want that conversation with the dealer. Who is this? Your NICS

check came back negative.

Evan Nappen 22:30

To the officer, no less.

Teddy Nappen 22:32

The officer was rejected.

Evan Nappen 22:34

Yeah, yeah. I mean that alone. Like, What? What? How does that happen? So, I mean, it’s just crazy.

And can you imagine this guy? Let’s say he actually busts a criminal. I’m a defense attorney, and he’s

going to be a key witness in this case. I’m going to see about it. See if I can bring in his legality of him

having this arrest authority and acting as police officer even. I mean, even that. Is that even legal in

Maine? To be a police officer if you’re an illegal alien? If that is actually legal in Maine, Maine needs to

pass some laws to make it clear what credentials are required to be law enforcement there. Holy cow.

It’s crazy. So, anyway, they’re not to possess guns, not to purchase guns. Illegals can’t have guns.

Look even if you are lawful, like a green card holder, it’s still very complicated. There are regulations to

even possess a firearm if you’re legally here. No less, just forget it, if you’re illegally here. I mean, just

not happening. So, you know.

Page – 7 – of 15Teddy Nappen 23:46

I know. I thought that they were going to lower, like, you know, under Biden. They were trying to lower

the standards. I didn’t think, not being a naturalized citizen. They were lowering it to that level.

Evan Nappen 23:59

No, they, you know, a non-citizen.

Teddy Nappen 24:01

Yeah, no. They’re like.

Evan Nappen 24:03

Non-citizen is one thing, but illegal alien, someone who’s here illegally, cannot have a gun. It’s that

simple. You can’t, okay? Just how it goes, man. You can’t have a gun if you’re an illegal alien. So, there

you go. Interesting, crazy. Hey, I want to talk about our favorite range, Teddy, where you and I shoot,

which is WeShoot, of course. WeShoot is having a huge Summer Sale. They are offering, get a load of

this, man, 20% off all their pre-owned guns. That’s 20% off. That’s significant because, you know,

there’s a lot of profit in guns, and 20% off is very substantial. And that’s off, apparently, their entire pre-

owned inventory. That’s pretty cool. It’s all pre-loved guns, pre-loved, and we love our guns. But if you

have a pre-loved gun and you treasure it, that’s one thing. But if you want to buy somebody else’s pre-

loved gun that WeShoot has, you can get 20% off. And of course, WeShoot is where we shoot, literally.

We shoot at WeShoot and that’s where we got our training. It’s where we got our CCARE certificate for

our carry license. They have great training, great facility, awesome range, and a great pro shop.

Everything you need right there so you can exercise responsibly, properly, and with a lot of fun, your

Second Amendment rights. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey, conveniently

located off the Parkway. You can go to weshootusa.com. Go to their website, beautiful pictures. Check

out the WeShoot girls, too. They have some beautiful guns that they are displaying, and it’s not hard to

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Evan Nappen 26:15

And don’t forget our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the

premier gun rights group for New Jersey. They are our stalwart defenders of our Second Amendment

rights in New Jersey. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and they are litigating, as we

speak, in federal court. They’ve made a difference, a big difference, in this very difficult fight in New

Jersey to maintain our Second Amendment rights. I mean, I just saw one of the studies that said New

Jersey of all 50 states has the lowest gun ownership as a percentage. That’s pretty sad. It’s pretty sad

that New Jersey is rock bottom when it comes to gun ownership, and we hardly have the lowest crime

rate. You know, we probably are down on the bottom when it comes to just freedom generally, but

we’re there on the bottom with gun rights. I hope we can change that as we see the gun laws, which

are designed to discourage individuals from exercising their rights. It is a gun rights suppression state,

and you can see that their suppression is, unfortunately working. You’ve got to fight it. We’ve got to fight

it. We’re battling it. Make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs,

ANJRPC.org. They will send you out great emails, keeping you informed. You can do easily few clicks

and let your voice be heard. You can make a difference, and they are making a difference in this

battleground state of New Jersey where we’re fighting for our Constitutional rights.

Page – 8 – of 15Evan Nappen 28:06

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EvanNappen.com. Hey, Teddy. What do you have today in Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 29:11

Well, I was scrolling through Bearing Arms news, and I thought I was on the Babylon Bee for a

moment. I had to make sure this is actually real, though. Of course, everyone’s favorite country, known

as the United Kingdom, you always think you know can’t go any lower. Yeah, you can’t go any lower.

Like you can be arrested for a thought crime, arrest people for, you know, what they do.

Evan Nappen 29:43

Yeah, they do thought crime arrests there. They literally do thought crime, with the woman silently

praying.

Teddy Nappen 29:48

Yeah, it was outside.

Evan Nappen 29:49

Yeah. And then, and then, or putting a post up on social media that you don’t like illegal aliens in your

country. Then what? You get two years for that? Something insane.

Teddy Nappen 30:01

Oh, yeah. Well, we don’t want to, we don’t want to offend anybody. But, from Bearing Arms news, UK

Man Arrested Over Gardening Tools. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/07/29/uk-man-

arrested-over-gardening-tools-n1229413) By the way, he was in his own garden.

Evan Nappen 30:12

Oh, my God. So, he’s a gardener who had, how dare they allow a gardener to have gardening tools in

UK. What garden tools did he have?

Teddy Nappen 30:21

So, this is from Tom Knighton, from Bearing Arms. Man who returned home from his allotment, his

garden allotment, with a truck of vegetables and gardening tools strapped to his belt.

Page – 9 – of 15Evan Nappen 30:35

So, his allotment is his grounds where he’s allowed to garden, right?

Teddy Nappen 30:38

Yeah. Yeah.

Evan Nappen 30:39

So, they limit where you can garden, I guess. But he somehow got them to bless his garden with an

allotment, and he’s returning with his fruits of his labor.

Teddy Nappen 30:51

Yep, and he was.

Evan Nappen 30:52

And what did he have?

Teddy Nappen 30:53

He was arrested and shoved against the wall. Man wearing kayaking clothing arrested for possession

of a knife. What knife? Well, quite simply, a Japanese garden sickle.

Evan Nappen 31:10

Oh, man that he was cutting his vegetables off with and pruning and doing all the gardening work.

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 31:16

Oh, my God. A garden trowel? That is a weapon of mass destruction, a garden trowel. How dare he

have a garden trowel?

Teddy Nappen 31:16

He had two things. One, a hoary hoary garden trowel on a canvas sheaf and an Ice Bear Gardeners

sickle.

Teddy Nappen 31:36

Yeah. And what was very funny, and I’ll give them credit. The Japanese sickle isn’t as curved, so it has,

like the Western one, you see, like sickles curved out where this one isn’t as much, but it’s the same.

It’s used the same thing. It’s a sickle for gardening and.

Evan Nappen 31:55

Well, you know how death carries a sickle, right? It’s always put out as death with a sickle, right? That

should become the symbol of U.K. when it comes to your rights. Just death to your rights with a sickle.

Teddy Nappen 32:10

Yeah, and well, it’s pretty funny, as I then pulled, there was a later article by your news from the your

news media newsroom, so it goes into detail. (https://yournews.com/2025/07/30/3716989/uk-gardener-

Page – 10 – of 15arrested-for-carrying-trowel-and-sickle-in-his/) So, while in detention, so they’ve already arrested him.

They hauled him into the little interrogation room, and he’s being interviewed without legal

representation. You know, no rights in the United Kingdom, of course.

Evan Nappen 32:38

Well, they don’t have a Bill of Rights, that’s for sure.

Evan Nappen 32:40

Yeah, that’s actually a good question, right?

Teddy Nappen 32:40

Yeah. And whether he intended to do something with the tools they classified as weapons.

Evan Nappen 32:40

You know, if this was a Monty Python episode, I would have sooner believed it. Because, you know, it’s

just British absurdity.

Teddy Nappen 32:40

Yeah. And so, in his description, they started asking me questions like if I was autistic or anything like

that. Asking me whether I had ever been in the army, whether I told people I was in the army. And then

the police demanded he explain in very basic terms what an allotment garden is.

Teddy Nappen 32:54

Yeah, I like to pay to be arrested and just like, and put me in the room and explain my crime. It’s utter

insanity. And then it goes, even further.

Evan Nappen 33:32

This tomato is definitely harvested. Something like that.

Evan Nappen 33:37

A criminal record for garden tools, for garden tools.

Teddy Nappen 33:37

Like, yeah. And it gets even worse. Although he maintained his innocence, Rao ultimately accepted the

caution in order to be released, which means he now has a criminal record for garden tools.

Teddy Nappen 34:00

I mean, yeah, that is.

Evan Nappen 34:02

You know, at one time I thought it’d be great to visit the U.K. They had, you know, such a wonderful

military history and so many fascinating things. I wouldn’t step foot in that place, man. Not a chance.

Page – 11 – of 15Teddy Nappen 34:14

Yeah, you’ll be arrested for thinking about gardening tools. I will give the article credit and highlighted in

2018 the London Police decided to put out a tweet, or formerly Twitter, known as x, about their

confiscation. They’re great, you know, we’re doing some good as they confiscate around the greatest

do butter Yeah, a round tip butter knife, not a killer butter knife. Yeah, I know, right. Oh, and after being

ruthlessly mocked, they had to take that post down. But see, my god,

Evan Nappen 34:54

Yeah, so you see, Teddy. It’s really great on one hand, because you can see how extreme the rights

suppression gets there and here with the knife liberty movement, how important it is as we’re repealing

knife laws, repealing knife laws. And by the way, switchblades in the U.K. are called flick knives. Of

course, they’re all banned as well. Flick knives. That’s what they like to ban there, and so many other

things they ban. Any thing they can come up with as conceivably a weapon. They seem to immediately

have to feel they have to ban it. Ban it. Well, even if it’s guarding tools. So, be it, right?

Teddy Nappen 35:39

Yeah, it’s pretty funny. So, I was wondering, okay, what is it they actually ban? What is their law? So, I

actually went to the government of the U.K., buying and carrying knives. Basic laws of knives and

weapons. It is illegal to use any knife or weapon in a threatening way.

Evan Nappen 35:56

Oh, that’s okay.

Teddy Nappen 35:58

It is also illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without good reason. What is good

reason? Well, you’re going to have to go to court when we arrest you for that.

Evan Nappen 36:12

That’s nice. So, you’re guilty till proven innocent. That sounds very fair.

Teddy Nappen 36:17

Yep. And they have.

Evan Nappen 36:18

So, then, every type of absurd arrest like this could take place, and then the people get totally

intimidated there over the system. So, this guy takes a hit by having a criminal record for having

gardening tools. I mean, that is, I’ll tell you one thing that the UK does. It can actually, at times, make

New Jersey actually look good. So, I guess it serves a purpose. It serves a purpose because it makes it

clear that New Jersey can actually get worse. It can get worse. New Jersey could become the U.K. and,

you know, it’s close. It’s close. But, you know, this is why the fight is so critical. It’s so critical because

we don’t want to become the U.K. insanity. We’ve got to stand and fight because this is what awaits us

if we don’t. It’s outrageous. Well.

Page – 12 – of 15Teddy Nappen 37:17

It’s also quite insane. If you’re ever bored, just go on and look up their list. (https://www.gov.uk/buying-

carrying-knives) I love they go with foot claw, hand claw, zombie knife. What is a zombie knife?

Evan Nappen 37:31

Oh, yeah, a zombie knife. Well, you know, you never know, man. If zombies attack, if we’re going to

have a zombie apocalypse, you better have the correct tools to take care of those zombies. You know,

I’m all for that. I don’t know why they banned zombie knives, but maybe. I guess they’re supporting