Going Rogue

(From the archive) Jill chats with legendary journalist Jonathan Van Meter, whose byline has graced the pages of Vogue, Vanity Fair, and The New York Times. Jonathan pulls back the curtain on his extraordinary career interviewing Hollywood's elite—from emotional exchanges with Angelina Jolie to unforgettable moments with Jennifer Aniston and Lady Gaga. From his humble beginnings studying theater to becoming the founding editor of Vibe magazine, Jonathan shares the pivotal moments that shaped his journalistic journey. Discover his secrets for creating the perfect interview environment, the challenges in profiling celebrities, and the decisions that led to his most powerful work. This episode offers a masterclass in profile writing and a behind-the-scenes look at the vulnerable moments that never make it to print Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

In the Season one finale of Going Rogue, Jill Demling is joined by co-host Edward Barsamian to talk with Priyanka Chopra Jonas during her press tour for The Bluff, discussing her "pirate core" fashion choices, including wearing a customized film breastplate on the red carpet. Priyanka reflects on learning confidence through her parents' emphasis on agency, her military-family upbringing, and experiences of racism while living in the U.S. as a teen before returning to India. She recounts entering Miss India at her brother's urging, winning Miss World, and building a major Bollywood career before moving to Hollywood at 30 and feeling forced to start from zero, resisting "diversity check" roles and landing Quantico. The conversation covers her relationship with Vogue, becoming the first Indian woman on American Vogue's cover, the bittersweet nature of being "first," and her evolving style, brand partnerships, motherhood, and legacy. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill re-releases a chat with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a style director at Vogue where he closely followed airport looks and red carpet appearances of stars like Amal Clooney and Zoe Kravitz, then moving into the digital world of celebrity fashion coverage. The conversation covers Edward's early Vogue years, his time at Gilt Group and The New York Times Style Magazine, and his return to Vogue in a major digital position. Edward recounts his experiences at glamorous events like the Golden Globes and Met Gala, where he interviewed celebrities and helped drive the digital transformation of fashion reporting. He reflects on the changing landscape of fashion media while sharing behind-the-scenes moments with high-profile figures including Kim Kardashian, Rihanna, and Kendall Jenner. Later, as Edward moved to Victoria Beckham, he opens up about the unique challenges of bringing a brand's voice to life across digital channels. This episode delivers practical career insights, observations on fashion's evolution, and solid advice for newcomers to the field. Perfect for fashion lovers and anyone interested in breaking into the industry. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

In this special episode of Going Rogue, the tables are turned as Edward Barsamian steps in as host, putting Jill in the guest seat for an unscripted conversation. The two first met on a Vogue shoot with Blake Lively in 2009 and worked together for six years at the magazine. Less than a year into launching Going Rogue, Jill steps away from behind the microphone to share her own story, from her unconventional path into fashion to her nearly two decades shaping celebrity culture at American Vogue. Jill traces her journey from a math major at Colgate who wore Betsy Johnson catsuits to upstate New York bars, to a temp worker in LA who accidentally wandered into Rob Reiner's private bathroom, to landing a dream job as Anna Wintour's assistant without knowing who Anna Wintour was. She reveals the strategic thinking behind cover selection, the delicate dance of negotiating with publicists and studios, and how she helped transform British Vogue into a global competitor during her collaboration with Edward Enninful. Beyond the glamour and legendary shoots at places like Versailles, Jill opens up about what inspired her to create a podcast, why she ultimately left Vogue after 19 years, and what excites her about working with independent publications, including Edward Enninful's EE72 and Carine Roitfeld's CR Fashion Book. It's a rare chance to hear the woman behind the microphone tell her own story. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.

Jill sits down with stylist Natasha Royt, who cut her teeth under two of fashion's most formidable editors, Phyllis Posnick and Camilla Nickerson. Natasha takes us inside her years at Vogue, where she worked alongside photographers Irving Penn and Helmut Newton, and opens up about the long process of stepping out from under those towering influences to develop a creative identity of her own. She talks about the tension between precision and instinct in image-making, the holistic philosophy she brings to both her work and her life, and what she's seeing in fashion's shifting landscape. Plus, Natasha introduces her new Substack, First Option, a newsletter bringing together sharp shopping advice, styling know-how, and lifestyle inspiration, all filtered through her dual life as a veteran fashion stylist, devoted yogi, and spiritual seeker. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Karen Elson shares her remarkable journey from an unconventional supermodel to a musician, activist, and aspiring actor. Known for her signature pale skin, red hair, and unique beauty, Karen made waves in the fashion industry by gracing over 30 international Vogue covers and walking the runways for major designers like McQueen, Chanel, and Versace. She discusses her early struggles with bullying and an eating disorder, finding solace and inspiration in fashion magazines. Jill delves into Karen’s transformative experiences with iconic photographers like Steven Meisel, Tim Walker, and Peter Lindbergh, highlighting her collaborative spirit and willingness to push boundaries. Karen also touches on her activism work, including fighting for models' rights and her insights into the shifts within the fashion industry. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits down with visionary creative director Nicola Formichetti for an conversation about his journey through the fashion world. Known for his work with Lady Gaga, his tenure at Diesel, and his current role at MAC Cosmetics, Nicola opens up about the experiences that shaped his approach to fashion and creativity. Nicola takes us back to his early days exploring the flea markets of Rome and traces his path to working at the highest levels of global fashion. He gets real about his boundary-pushing approach to creativity and why embracing mistakes has been key to his success. Nicola sharing what it was really like creating some of fashion's most memorable imagery with photographers like Nick Knight and Steven Klein. Nicola also talks about his current role at MAC Cosmetics, where he's bringing his vision to beauty and fashion. He's all breaking rules, challenging the status quo, and trusting your creative instincts, even when you're not sure where you're headed. Along the way, Nicola mentions the people who've shaped his path, including his mother, Alister Mackie, Katie Grand, Katy England, Jefferson Hack, Kim Jones, Gwen Stefani, Richard Burbridge, Miles Aldridge, Anna Cockburn, Tomo Koizumi, Eugene Tong, and James Gager. For anyone interested in innovation, creative courage, and authentic self-expression in fashion and beyond, this conversation offers plenty to think about. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer

Jill chats with Stefan Beckman, one of fashion's most influential set designers. Over 25 years, Beckman has created unforgettable environments for Marc Jacobs, Chanel, Prada, and Louis Vuitton while collaborating with photography icons Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, Steven Klein, Tim Walker, Craig McDean, Herb Ritts, and Fabian Baron. Stefan traces his path from theater and film school to becoming fashion's go-to set designer, revealing the creative process behind landmark fashion shows and editorial shoots. He discusses how his formative years shaped his visual approach and shares his perspective on where set design is headed as the industry transforms. Stefan recounts memorable moments with Whitney Houston, Notorious B.I.G., Cher, JLo, the Rolling Stones, LL Cool J, Jamie Foxx, Gwyneth Paltrow, Winona Ryder, Gisele Bündchen, Renee Zellweger, Amber Valletta, Matt Damon, Jake Gyllenhaal, Daria Werbowy, Kate Hudson, Owen Wilson, Rihanna, Billie Eilish, Angelina Jolie, and Beyoncé. Check out the video on our YouTube channel with many of the images discussed in this episode Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits down with writer and editor, Ned Martel, who shares his experiences working with two of the most daring magazine experiments of our time, George Magazine with John F. Kennedy Jr., and Men's Vogue under Jay Fielden. What made these publications revolutionary, the cultural and creative challenges they faced, and the eventual shuttering of both titles. Martel also opens up about the personal impacts of losing close friends and navigating the media landscape as a gay man. Martel offers insights into the history of magazines, journalism, and ambitious storytelling. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

For over four decades, Paul Cavaco has been fashion's invisible hand, the editor who shapes the iconic images we see but rarely thinks about who made them possible. In this episode, Jill sits down with Paul to talk about his work at Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, and Allure, and what it takes to create images that actually mean something. He shares stories about collaborating with photographers like Richard Avedon, Steven Meisel, Annie Leibovitz, and Bruce Weber, and explains the chemistry between editors and photographers that turns a photo shoot into something memorable. Paul also talks about the difference between style and trends, his path from the Bronx to the center of American fashion, and how the industry has changed over the years. If you're into these conversations, rate, review, and subscribe to keep them going! Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from photographer-first covers to celebrity-driven ones, working under Liz Tilberis at Harper's Bazaar and Anna Wintour at Vogue. This episode returns now because next week's guest, Paul Cavaco, shares a deeply intertwined career with Tonne. They were co-fashion directors at Bazaar before Tonne took over when Paul left for Allure. Like her signature uniform of white jeans, loafers, and a silk scarf, Tonne's work has always been about clarity over noise. Tonne shares her path from art school and early modeling to working with Calvin Klein before joining American Vogue, where she was mentored by the legendary Diana Vreeland. She recounts behind-the-scenes stories from high-profile celebrity shoots featuring stars like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Britney Spears, and discusses her collaborations with top photographers including Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Herb Ritts, and Annie Leibovitz. As they explore her career, Tonne emphasizes the collaborative spirit essential to successful fashion shoots and her diplomatic approach to managing complex productions. Drawing from her own experience as a former model, she reveals her fierce commitment to advocating for and protecting the talent she works with. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly scaled the ranks, working on sets with legendary photographers like Annie Leibovitz and Craig McDean. Francelle shares the story of her unconventional path, her resilience in the face of industry challenges, and her experiences working on high-stakes projects like a celebrity cruise campaign during the pandemic. Francelle also delves into her collaboration with iconic figures such as Grace Coddington and Phyllis Posnick, and the creative freedom she experiences working with independent magazines. She talks about the inception and philosophy behind her brand, Lovecraft Beauty, a venture that aims to build a creative community. Francelle shares lessons on perseverance, innovation, and the power of following one's passion. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with Yohji Yamamoto, Linda Evangelista, and British Vogue to founding SHOWstudio and creating projects with Alexander McQueen, Björk, Lady Gaga, and Kanye West, Knight has transformed how fashion is seen and experienced. He discusses his philosophy that photography is about creating what you want to see rather than capturing reality, addressing digital photography, AI, and the importance of moving forward. Reflections on past collaborations and thoughts on the future of fashion and technology. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for Victoria Beckham and Karlie Kloss. Garren reflects on his collaborative relationships with fashion greats including Patrick Demarchelier, Bill King, and Arthur Elgort, plus challenging editorial shoots with Polly Mellen, Phyllis Posnick, Grace Coddington, and Tonne Goodman. From the evolution of hairstyling and the importance of mentorship to the industry's shift in the Instagram and AI era, it's a master class in fashion history for anyone who loves the craft. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now. Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about the feelings of otherness that fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices. The conversation traces her path from Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism and her leadership at Teen Vogue during COVID-19 and the social justice reckoning of 2020. Sharma describes the strategic evolution she guided, from embracing digital-first publishing to prioritizing video content for Gen Z audiences. The episode highlights groundbreaking editorial choices under her guidance, including features on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, and Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress. Listening back, this conversation is a reminder of what leadership actually looks like in media and how much is lost when the industry sidelines the voices who push it forward. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer

Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book 'Steven Klein Vogue,' which chronicles two decades of boundary-pushing work within mainstream fashion photography. The conversation traces his journey from his Rhode Island upbringing through his transformative collaborations with Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Garren, Kate Betts, and Liz Tilberis at Vogue. Klein reflects on working with legendary figures including Alexander McQueen, Madonna, Prince, Pat McGrath, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Gisele Bündchen, Brad Pitt, and countless other luminaries who have shaped contemporary fashion and culture. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with legendary fashion insider Candy Pratts Price, whose decades-long career has left an indelible mark on the industry. From revolutionizing Bloomingdale's windows to pioneering digital fashion journalism at style.com to serving as Anna Wintour's right hand at Vogue, Candy has been a transformative force behind fashion's biggest cultural moments. She shares her journey from Washington Heights to the industry's highest echelons, offering her unique philosophy on fashion as entertainment and reflecting on how the cultural landscape has evolved throughout her career. Through personal anecdotes and hard-won insights, Candy reveals what it takes to modernize an industry while remaining one of its most powerful yet unseen influencers. For visuals discussed in the episode, visit the Going Rogue podcast's Instagram. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill talks with Jawara Wauchope about his journey, whose passion for hairstyling began at age six, sweeping floors in a Kingston salon and eventually transforming his sister into a music video muse. Born in Brooklyn and raised in Jamaica until he was ten, Jawara returned to Queens and pursued an unconventional path through salon apprenticeships and the Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT). After years assisting fashion legends like Guido Palau, Sam McKnight, Luigi Murenu, and Paul Hanlon, he mastered techniques for working with any hair type at the highest level. His breakthrough came in 2013 when he went solo. From Vogue covers to Beyoncé's Renaissance shoot for British Vogue and Rihanna's first pregnancy reveal for American Vogue, Jawara hasn't just broken barriers: he's championed representation and elevated Black hair artistry to the forefront of fashion. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with Mickey Boardman, also known as Mr. Mickey, the cultural tastemaker and heart of Paper Magazine for the past three decades. From his beginnings as a kid in suburban Illinois obsessed with glamor to becoming New York's most beloved cultural tastemaker, Mickey shares his journey, including insights into the famous Kim Kardashian 'Break the Internet' cover, his unique editorial vision, and his passion for celebrating creativity and authenticity. Through stories of his early work, internships, and transformative moments at Paper, Mickey reveals how he embraced his uniqueness and helped shape the magazine industry. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill welcomes Law Roach, the visionary stylist who transformed Zendaya into a fashion icon. As the first Black stylist to top the Hollywood Reporter's power list and win the CFDA's Inaugural Stylist Award, Law traces his evolution from Chicago's South Side to founding Deliciously Vintage to becoming one of fashion's most influential voices. He reveals the psychology driving his distinctive styling approach, explains his revolutionary concept of method dressing, and shares the personal mantras that fuel his work. Discover how his partnership with Zendaya began, the strategies he used to overcome industry gatekeeping, and why he believes magazines remain essential to a stylist's success. Law's philosophy on confidence and his rule-breaking approach to fashion offer a masterclass in reshaping an industry. Jill’s conversation captures the vision and legacy of a stylist who fundamentally changed the game. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill welcomes a pioneering hair artist whose work has shaped the industry for almost forty years. Julien d'Ys has graced the pages of Vogue, styled iconic supermodels, and showcased his artistry at the Met Costume Institute in New York. Celebrated for transcending conventional boundaries, Julien has elevated hair into an art form that fuses fantasy, historical references, and sculptural vision. Julien reflects on his creative path, his partnerships with legendary photographers including Steven Meisel, Irving Penn, and Peter Lindbergh, and the artistic influences spanning surrealism, history, and pure imagination that fuel his work. He discusses his approach to beauty and creativity, the formative experiences that shaped his career, and his unforgettable contributions to fashion's most iconic moments. Click HERE for a searchable who's who on this episode Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with Drew Elliot, the visionary cultural architect who transformed entertainment media from the inside out. From his roots as an entertainment-obsessed kid in Indiana to becoming the creative force who popularized "Break the Internet" and turned it into a cultural phenomenon, Drew's journey is a masterclass in cultural disruption. Explore Drew's groundbreaking tenure at Paper Magazine, where he orchestrated iconic moments with A-list celebrities that helped define digital culture. He shares the philosophy behind his success: surrounding himself with geniuses, demolishing creative boundaries, and cultivating an inclusive environment where the next generation of talent can thrive. Drew shares his insights into innovation, creativity, and what it really takes to shape culture in the digital age. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with renowned makeup artist and CEO Gucci Westman. Gucci shares her journey from her unique upbringing on a California ashram to becoming one of Hollywood's most sought-after makeup artists, working with directors like David Lynch and Michael Bay. They discuss her breakthrough into high-fashion covers and editorial spreads, a pivotal move propelled by Grace Coddington, and her successful leap into entrepreneurship with the launch of her clean luxury beauty brand, Westman Atelier. Join them as they reminisce about memorable celebrity shoots, the evolution of the fashion and beauty industry, and Gucci's passion for creating high-performance, skincare-infused makeup. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill welcomes the always charming Brian Coats, affectionately known as "the boy in the closet," for an intimate conversation about his remarkable journey through fashion's most prestigious corridors. Brian's fashion odyssey began in 1996 as an assistant at Vogue Magazine, where he commanded the legendary fashion closet and collaborated with the incomparable Andre Leon Talley. Together, they unpack colorful behind-the-scenes tales from those formative years, from the infamous closet smoking incident to the daily choreography of managing fashion's most coveted archive, a central hub of activity and competition for the editorial and styling teams. The story reaches back even further, to six-year-old Brian in North Carolina, mesmerized by Elsa Klensch's CNN style segments, a moment that ignited a lifelong passion. He recounts his unwavering determination to reach Parsons School of Design and the pivotal realization that his destiny lay in editorial styling rather than design. In 2000, Brian transitioned to GQ, where he honed his craft as a fashion editor for 13 years before embracing the freelance world. He candidly discusses the adjustment, from overpreparing for his first independent shoot to navigating an industry landscape without a magazine masthead behind his name. The conversation turns to Brian's current work styling high-profile magazine spreads, advertising campaigns, and celebrities, including his continued partnership with Jimmy Fallon. Jill and Brian examine the contrasts between Vogue and GQ cultures, the art of juggling competing demands and personalities, and surviving fashion's relentless pace. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Step into the world of Billy Norwich in this second part of an intimate and expansive conversation with Jill. Billy reflects on his career spanning decades, including his work as a gossip columnist for the New York Daily News and the New York Post, and his editorial roles at Vogue and other prestigious publications. As someone uniquely positioned at the intersection of old New York and new New York society, Billy shares fascinating encounters with figures ranging from Mrs. Astor to Malcolm Forbes, offering a rare perspective on the evolution of high society. Hear about his personal anecdotes involving colorful characters like Donald Trump, Kim Kardashian, and John F. Kennedy Jr., and get a glimpse into the changing landscape of journalism and fashion. Billy shares heartfelt stories, including his experiences with significant figures like Liz Smith and Evelyn Lauder, and opens up about his deep, enduring friendship with Anna Wintour that has shaped both his personal and professional life. He discusses his novels 'Learning to Drive' and 'My Mrs. Brown,' navigating relationships, the impact of life events on his work, and finding meaning in the objects and memories that surround him. This part continues a thoughtful exploration of legacy, memory, and storytelling, offering unique insights from a man who has witnessed the transformation of New York's social fabric and continues to find joy and purpose in his journey. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Jill sits down with the incomparable Billy Norwich for an intimate conversation about his remarkable 40-year reign chronicling New York society, from dishing gossip at the Daily News and Post to his glamorous two decades shaping stories at Vogue. Billy spills on his storytelling philosophy, shaped by Anna Wintour's advice to "edit your life" and his personal theory of the "anthropology of style." The conversation takes a very personal turn as Billy opens up about losing his father at nine and mother by nineteen. These heartbreaking losses could have destroyed him but instead deepened his determination. He found his chosen family among industry powerhouses like the iconic gossip columnist Liz Smith, who didn't just mentor him—she masterminded his transformation from Billy Goldberg to Billy Norwich, a reinvention that still stirs complex emotions. Billy shares unforgettable stories, from his exclusive scoop on Caroline Kennedy's engagement to surviving the cutthroat world of high-stakes fashion events and A-list encounters. His insider perspective reveals the artful dance between professional curiosity and personal discretion that made him the trusted confidant of New York's elite. Through candid anecdotes and hard-earned wisdom, this intimate conversation paints a portrait of New York society while sharing Billy's personal journey of resilience and reinvention. Whether you're interested in gossip journalism's inner workings, New York’s high society dynamics, or one man's story of finding family and purpose after profound loss, you won't want to miss this unguarded exchange. For a who's who of everyone mentioned in this episode CLICK HERE Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling

Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Dick Page, whose rebellious approach to beauty has left an indelible mark on fashion's visual landscape. Known for his mantra that "makeup should be fun, not a chore," Dick shares his unconventional philosophy that sees makeup as a creative canvas rather than a corrective tool. Dick opens up about his unexpected beginnings—from fascination with the varying shades of red he observed working in a slaughterhouse as a teenager, to his journey through London's photo processing labs in the early '90s before landing in New York. Without formal training but armed with determination, he began collaborating with legendary photographers like Juergen Teller and Corinne Day, eventually catching the eye of Calvin Klein. Through candid conversation, Dick reflects on the pivotal relationships that shaped his career. Working alongside Melanie Ward, David Sims, and Kate Moss, and developing close collaborations with photographers Jamie Hawkesworth, Inez & Vinoodh, and Bruce Weber. He reveals why he prefers natural light, dismisses mood boards, and embraces the collaborative spirit that defines his work. At the heart of Dick's philosophy is an appreciation for makeup's ephemeral nature. "Makeup is ephemeral...the beauty of it, the freedom of it, is that it doesn't last," he explains, embracing a Zen-like acceptance of impermanence that challenges an industry often obsessed with perfection. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Jill sits down with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a style director at Vogue where he closely followed airport looks and red carpet appearances of stars like Amal Clooney and Zoe Kravitz, then moving into the digital world of celebrity fashion coverage. The conversation covers Edward's early Vogue years, his time at Gilt Group and The New York Times Style Magazine, and his return to Vogue in a major digital position. Edward recounts his experiences at glamorous events like the Golden Globes and Met Gala, where he interviewed celebrities and helped drive the digital transformation of fashion reporting. He reflects on the changing landscape of fashion media while sharing behind-the-scenes moments with high-profile figures including Kim Kardashian, Rihanna, and Kendall Jenner. Later, as Edward moved to Victoria Beckham, he opens up about the unique challenges of bringing a brand's voice to life across digital channels. This episode delivers practical career insights, observations on fashion's evolution, and solid advice for newcomers to the field. Perfect for fashion lovers and anyone interested in breaking into the industry. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits with Christiaan, the legendary hairstylist who has shaped the beauty industry for over five decades. Known for creating iconic looks including Debbie Harry's signature shag and Grace Jones' striking flat top, Christiaan is also credited with inventing the revolutionary undercut years before it became mainstream. His distinguished career includes collaborations with renowned photographers Arthur Elgort, Peter Lindbergh, Richard Avedon, Irving Penn, and Mario Testino, while styling supermodels Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington, and Linda Evangelista for leading publications like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar. Christiaan's remarkable journey began in a small Dutch village, working in his father's barbershop, and led him through military service in the Marines to eventually becoming creative director at Bergdorf Goodman. His path to success was marked by pivotal moments and chance encounters that opened doors to working with influential fashion editors including Polly Mellon and Phyllis Posnick. The precision and discipline learned during his military service proved instrumental in developing his meticulous approach to hair artistry. In this candid conversation, Christiaan discusses the evolution of beauty standards, his philosophy of prioritizing client comfort over fleeting trends, and his experiences working with fashion icons who revolutionized the industry. He offers insights into the creative process behind his most memorable work and reflects on how his approach to hair styling has contributed to changing perceptions of beauty and self-expression. The episode provides a comprehensive look at a career that has not only created stunning visual moments but has fundamentally influenced how we understand hair as an art form. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Jill sits down with legendary photographer Mark Seliger to hear how he went from small-town Amarillo, Texas, to defining rock and roll imagery for an entire generation. As Rolling Stone's chief photographer for a decade, Mark shot an incredible 188 covers and opens up about his tricks for catching those real, unguarded moments that make his photos so striking. He talks about making the leap to New York City in 1984, the photographer friends who helped him along the way, and landing those career-defining Rolling Stone gigs. You'll hear about his iconic shots including Kurt Cobain's final portraits and Jerry Seinfeld's Wizard of Oz farewell, plus when he took his talent to Condé Nast, where he worked with bigger budgets and was able to bring his vision to a wider audience. Mark shares stories from shoots with everyone from Barack Obama to the Dalai Lama, breaking down how he finds that vulnerable, authentic moment in each person. He also drops some solid advice for photographers just starting out. It's a captivating dive into the stories and skills behind some truly legendary images. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill welcomes Karla Martínez de Salas, the Editor-in-Chief of Vogue Mexico and Vogue Latin America. Karla’s illustrious fashion journey began at Vogue as a fashion assistant at American Vogue in 2002. Today, she holds a prominent position at the helm of Vogue's Latin American editions. Karla shares her experiences growing up in a bicultural environment in El Paso, Texas, and how her fascination with fashion and journalism started at a young age. She discusses the differences between Vogue Mexico and Vogue Latin America, including the logistical and cultural variations they navigate each month. Karla also reflects on her time at various fashion institutions, from her internships to working at The New York Times Style Magazine and Interview Magazine. She sheds light on the importance of representation and diversity, notably her achievement of featuring the first indigenous woman on the cover of Vogue. Throughout the discussion, Karla emphasizes the vital role of family support, hard work, and staying grounded, even while managing an expansive career and raising her twins. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Grace Coddington doesn't just style pictures, she builds worlds. In this rare and unfiltered conversation, the legendary creative director sits down with Jill and longtime friend Karen Mulligan to talk about the images that defined her and the ones that almost broke her. From her early modeling days and Beatrix Miller's British Vogue to the Anna Wintour era in New York, Grace reflects on a career shaped by instinct, irreverence, and one very iconic hairdo. She revisits the chaos of the Wizard of Oz shoot with Keira Knightley, the comic genius of Ben Stiller's Funny Face spoof, and the time Sean “Diddy” Combs and Kate Moss tested her patience (and her vision) on set. She goes deep on her collaborations with Steven Klein, Peter Lindbergh, and Annie Leibovitz, breaking down the creative friction, trust, and unspoken language behind some of Vogue's most unforgettable fashion stories. Now in her "post-Vogue" chapter, Grace opens up about drawing, pottery, Louis Vuitton, and why she'll never stop telling stories through style. This is Grace Coddington like you've never heard her: intimate, hilarious, and still rogue after all these years. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill visits with Mark Healy, an experienced editor and writer recognized for his sharp insights into media influence and power dynamics. Together, Jill and Mark reminisce about their days at Condé Nast during what many regard as the company's golden age. They reflect on Condé Nast's unmistakable company ethos, from its unwritten codes of conduct like elevator silence to the subtle markers of hierarchy and achievement. They also trace Mark's career trajectory beginning with his early role at Playboy through his transformative work at Details and GQ, where he helped reshape both magazines' identities. Mark shares how Details positioned itself as GQ's rebellious counterpart, embracing a grittier, more youthful aesthetic. They delve into major industry transformations, particularly how digital media and the shift from model-focused to celebrity-driven covers revolutionized publishing. Following his Condé Nast years, Mark describes his transition to Men's Journal and subsequent projects, stressing how vital flexibility has become in today's media environment. Mark explains his latest project, 'The Nasty,' a short oral history podcast of Condé Nast through candid interviews with former staffers. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill is joined by Mary Howard, a renowned set and production designer celebrated for crafting captivating, detailed environments for top fashion photographers. Mary traces her unconventional path from junior tennis player and art student in New Orleans to working alongside industry legends like Annie Leibovitz, Steven Meisel, and Steven Klein. She reveals her creative methodology for bringing conceptual visions to life in three dimensions, emphasizing how every small element matters in her designs. Mary reflects on formative experiences building elaborate Mardi Gras floats and working on the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade, which developed her production expertise. She recounts standout Vogue projects including the Edith Wharton series, Romeo and Juliet shoot, and a 'Shape of Water'-inspired shoot featuring Mia Goth, describing the complexities of coordinating intricate sets alongside animals and props. Looking ahead, Mary weighs in on how AI might reshape set design while offering guidance to newcomers in the field, stressing the value of flexibility, modesty, and genuine enthusiasm for the craft. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Adam Green joins Jill to explore his evolution from screenwriter to Vogue's acclaimed theater critic. As the son of Broadway royalty Phyllis Newman and Adolf Green, he brings unique perspective to profiling entertainment's biggest names. Green shares intimate glimpses from his celebrity interviews, including a cringe-worthy childhood memory involving Bernadette Peters, the surreal experience of questioning Cate Blanchett during an eccentric theatrical production, and the complexities of a challenging sit-down with Vanessa Redgrave. The conversation takes a playful turn as Jill prompts Adam to evaluate how Hollywood stars like Amanda Peet, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Sienna Miller fared in their Broadway debuts. Throughout the interview, Green dispenses wisdom for emerging writers, stressing the value of networking, seizing unexpected chances, and finding the sweet spot between maintaining professional boundaries and fostering genuine rapport with interview subjects. His unvarnished observations provide equal parts amusement and professional counsel, informed by extensive experience at the crossroads of journalism and entertainment. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with fashion stylist Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, a fashion force who’s made it her mission to shake up the industry from the inside out. Gabriella shares her journey at Vogue from working as associate fashion editor for fashion director Tonne Goodman to becoming the first Black woman to style a Vogue cover in January of 2021 with her styling of model Paloma Elsesser. Her distinctive approach, which is layered, joyful, and purposeful, emphasizes support for emerging designers and size inclusivity, though her outspoken advocacy has led to industry conflicts. They delve into Gabriella's roots in Ojai, California, her grandparents' formative influence, and her time at Barnard College. She recounts pivotal internships that launched her fashion career, including roles at Elle Magazine and as an assistant to Hamish Bowles at Vogue. Gabriella candidly discusses Vogue's internal culture, her concerns about being sidelined due to her background, and her authentic bond with mentor Tonne, who profoundly shaped her career trajectory. The episode highlights Gabriela's 2021 comeback to Vogue as Global Contributing Fashion Editor at Large, where she influenced iconic covers featuring Serena Williams, Paloma Elsesser, Kamala Harris, and others. She explains her departure from Vogue, driven by self-belief and a commitment to creating meaningful change while paving the way for future generations. The discussion includes some behind-the-scenes anecdotes from major photo shoots, Gabriella's talent-centered approach, and her perspective on the industry's persistent lack of diverse representation. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Stéphane Marais for an in-depth conversation about his cinematic approach to beauty. Over his thirty-year career, Stéphane has evolved from admiring Marlene Dietrich's elegance to creating iconic looks for stars like Rihanna. Stéphane describes his signature style as centering on character creation. His trademark smudged black eyeliner technique transforms eyes into captivating focal points, while his preference for finger application creates an organic, personal touch. He traces his creative roots to childhood influences spanning classic cinema and the landscapes of Africa and France. This early exposure drew him to Paris, where he abandoned economics studies to pursue makeup artistry. Stéphane shares stories from his collaborations with entertainment legends, including working with Faye Dunaway and styling Rihanna for her debut Vogue cover. He emphasizes how trust and tactile sensitivity form the cornerstone of his artistic relationships. His breakthrough came when he substituted for Jacques Clément on a Peter Lindberg photoshoot. Clément worked with Catherine Deneuve and Isabelle Adjani. Stéphane also recounts meeting José Luis, the key makeup artist for Yves Saint Laurent. While acknowledging industry transformations, Stéphane maintains his commitment to makeup as pure artistry, offering aspiring artists wisdom about nurturing passion and creativity. Check out our IG, @goingrogue.podcast to see all the images discussed in this episode. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill catches up with Andrew Bevan, her former assistant at Vogue who's proven that being different is the quality that would define his career. The kid from Colorado who won best dressed in high school with a style he describes as "Gene Kelly meets Winona Ryder" has always been ahead of the trend, confident in his aesthetic even when others couldn't understand it. From aspiring Broadway star to Teen Vogue Style Director, Andrew opens up about his unconventional path through the fashion world, sharing incredible behind-the-scenes stories including booking cowboys, matadors and monks, oh my! Andrew unpacks his shift from handling the wildest requests as a Vogue assistant to carving out his freelance career in 2017, where he's now working with icons like Grace Coddington and legendary brands like Chanel. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Before the covers, there was the interview. In this special bonus episode of Going Rogue, Jill guides us through an oral history. Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Norman Jean Roy, and other Vogue insiders take us back to their first encounter with Anna Wintour. They might not remember what they said. But ask them what they wore? Every single detail. The Olivier Theyskens skirt they couldn't afford, the Target top that had to pass for designer, the Manolos borrowed from the closet... When you're about to meet Anna, you don't just prepare your answers. You prepare your look. As Anna turns the page, they remember how their stories began—with that first interview. Everyone remembers their first time… with Anna. Featuring: Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Norman Jean Roy, Tonne Goodman, Karla Martinez de Salas, Gabby Karefa-Johnson, Versha Sharma, Leslie Fremar, Edward Barsamian, Brian Coats, Andrew Bevan, and Jill Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits down with celebrity stylist Leslie Fremar for a look at her remarkable career journey, from her early days as Anna Wintour's assistant to independent celebrity styling. Leslie takes us back to what it was really like being an assistant in fashion's golden era with the countless behind-the-scenes challenges that shaped her resilience. She opens up about her styling philosophy centered on timeless, quality pieces, and pays tribute to her most influential mentors, both Anna Wintour and Vogue editor Tonne Goodman, whose guidance helped shape her approach to fashion and career. Leslie shares stories from her transition to independent celebrity styling, including memorable moments working with Charlize Theron and styling for major red carpet events. She doesn't shy away from discussing the industry's tough realities, from grueling photo shoots to navigating customs with designer pieces, while offering hard-earned career wisdom for aspiring stylists about the value of apprenticeships and staying true to your authentic vision. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits down with Versha Sharma, Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue, for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Sharma has taken the baton and is continuing Teen Vogue's mission to be more than a glossy guide to prom dresses by expanding it into a powerful platform for political discourse, social justice advocacy, and inclusive storytelling. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about dealing with feelings of otherness and isolation that ultimately fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices in the magazine. The conversation traces her path from political activism on Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism, shaped by pivotal cultural moments during her college years. Sharma describes the strategic evolution she's guided at Teen Vogue, from embracing a digital-first model to prioritizing video content that resonates with Gen Z and millennial audiences. She describes the unique pressures of assuming leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic while navigating the social justice reckoning of 2020. The conversation highlights Teen Vogue's groundbreaking editorial choices under Sharma's guidance, from their powerful feature on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, to their cover story on Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress. These stories underscore the magazine's commitment to spotlighting young political voices and their role in driving societal transformation. Looking ahead, Sharma shares her vision for the magazine's evolution, from potential print revival to international growth. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok

Jill talks with longtime Vogue colleague and renowned editor Tonne Goodman about her distinguished fashion career. Tonne shares her path from art school and early modeling to working with Calvin Klein before joining American Vogue, where she was mentored by the legendary Diana Vreeland. She recounts behind-the-scenes stories from high-profile celebrity shoots featuring stars like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Britney Spears, and discusses her collaborations with top photographers including Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Herb Ritts, and Annie Leibovitz. As they explore her career, Tonne emphasizes the collaborative spirit essential to successful fashion shoots and her diplomatic approach to managing complex productions. Drawing from her own experience as a former model, she reveals her fierce commitment to advocating for and protecting the talent she works with. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill sits down with her dear friend Karen Mulligan, the woman behind the legendary photographer Annie Leibovitz. Karen started as a production assistant at Annie's studio more than 25 years ago and worked her way up to become not only Annie's studio manager, but also her agent. Anyone who knows Karen knows she is Oz, making it all happen behind the curtain. It was on their first cover shoot together back in 2002 that Jill and Karen realized they had more in common than working long hours for two of the most influential women in the industry, and they have been best friends ever since. Karen reflects on her climb from entry-level production assistant to the wizard of Annie's studio, while she and Jill swap stories about the early days when a Rolodex was the closest thing to Google. She gives an insider's view of celebrity photo shoots, sharing raw stories of working with A-list talent like Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Reese Witherspoon, and Joaquin Phoenix, revealing the mayhem that happens before those images reach magazine pages. From wrangling stubborn animals to coordinating shoots on active film sets while managing the inevitable crises of big budgets and bigger egos, Karen explains how problem-solving, adaptability, and finesse are essential. Listeners get rare insight into the controlled chaos that produces some of today's most recognizable imagery, told by the woman who has been orchestrating the magic from behind the scenes for decades. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with renowned hairstylist Orlando Pita to discuss his remarkable journey from self-taught Cuban immigrant to influential hair designer whose work has graced iconic Vogue covers and earned a place in the Smithsonian Design Triennial. Orlando opens up about his creative process and how his unconventional training freed him to innovate in hair styling, starting with cutting his family's hair and eventually working on high-profile shoots with Madonna, Beyoncé, and Lady Gaga. They explore his pioneering approach to hair as visual art and examine the dynamics of collaborating with photographers and editors while navigating the shift from working with models to celebrity clients. Orlando shares stories from memorable shoots, including Madonna's 'Evita' Vogue cover and a unique collaboration with Irving Penn, while emphasizing how enthusiasm, gratitude, and continuous learning have driven his success. Orlando ends with some practical advice for aspiring hairstylists. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Renowned photographer Norman Jean Roy opens up about his unconventional journey to success, revealing how a winding path through architecture, and professional baking ultimately led him back to the camera. Norman shares his perspective on overcoming the fear of failure, drawing from decades of photographing celebrities and models for Vogue and other publications. He explores the emotional depth required for powerful portrait photography and discusses how revisiting his own work with maturity has deepened his understanding of the human condition. Norman also shares how a life-changing accident reignited his passion and pulled him back to photography. His story demonstrates that sometimes stepping away from your craft is exactly what's needed to rediscover why you fell in love with it in the first place. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill welcomes legendary Vogue editor Phyllis Posnick for an intimate conversation about her extraordinary career that helped define fashion photography for decades. Karen Mulligan— agent and long-time studio manager for Annie Leibovitz—joins the discussion, offering insights into the collaborative process between editors and photographers. From her Long Island beginnings to becoming one of the most influential editors at Vogue, Posnick shares intimate stories about her collaborations with photography giants Irving Penn, Helmut Newton, Annie Leibovitz, and Steven Klein. Discover the behind-the-scenes magic of her most memorable shoots, the creative problem-solving that saved seemingly impossible situations, and her unique methodology for blending high fashion with compelling visual narratives. Posnick also reflects on the invaluable mentorship she received from Anna Wintour and Alexander Lieberman while offering aspiring creatives her hard-earned wisdom about patience, thorough preparation, and the collaborative spirit essential to creating iconic fashion imagery. This episode is an expert tutorial in visual storytelling from one of the industry's most respected visionaries. Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Jill chats with legendary journalist Jonathan Van Meter, whose byline has graced the pages of Vogue, Vanity Fair, and The New York Times. Jonathan pulls back the curtain on his extraordinary career interviewing Hollywood's elite—from emotional exchanges with Angelina Jolie to unforgettable moments with Jennifer Aniston and Lady Gaga. From his humble beginnings studying theater to becoming the founding editor of Vibe magazine, Jonathan shares the pivotal moments that shaped his journalistic journey. Discover his secrets for creating the perfect interview environment, the challenges in profiling celebrities, and the decisions that led to his most powerful work. This episode offers a masterclass in profile writing and a behind-the-scenes look at the vulnerable moments that never make it to print Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.

Welcome to the ultimate insider's guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue. I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I've booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That's nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They're just the tip of the iceberg. "Going Rogue" is your backstage pass to the moments that never made it to print. The stories from the photographers who captured magic, the stylists who created iconic looks, and the writers who know every secret. You'll hear about the celebrities, the shoots that almost didn't happen, and the untold drama behind fashion's most memorable moments. Remember "The Devil Wears Prada"? That fictional 11-month snapshot? This podcast isn't about one story. It's about hundreds of stories, from someone who was on the inside. This podcast is not an exposé, it's a celebration of the creative people behind the scenes that made all the famous moments possible at Vogue This isn't just a podcast about fashion. It's a podcast about creativity, ambition, art, and the human stories behind the images that helped define a generation. We'll reveal how the talents behind these shoots got their start, and they'll share masterclass-level advice for a new generation of stylists, photographers, and creatives looking to make their mark. We're going behind the scenes of a world most people only glimpse through glossy pages and red carpet moments. Are you ready to go rogue with me? Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling Follow on Bluesky Follow on TikTok Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform. Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.