Forgive Me For I Have Followed

In this special bonus episode, Jessica and Kailea respond to the recent federal raids at Shekinah Church. They unpack what these developments could potentially mean, not just for the investigation, but for the survivors, the families, and the current members. Previous guest Angela joins to share her thoughts as well. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jess and Kailea are joined by producers Leo, Aaron, and Sophie for a behind-the-scenes look at the making of the podcast and its exploration of the ongoing impact of Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. The team discusses the challenges of reaching out to victims, the emotional discoveries made during production, and the ethical considerations of handling such sensitive stories. They also reflect on the broader patterns of abuse in cult-like groups, such as Shen Yun and high-control acting teachers, and share insights on how these communities can be held accountable. Listen in for an honest conversation about the evolution of the series, the personal revelations along the way, and what’s next for the podcast.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this second episode with Melanie Lee, Jess joins Kailea in their sit-down with the key figure from Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult documentary. They discuss the critical split in the early days of Shekinah church between leaders Robert and Catherine, an event that left a lasting impression on Melanie Lee. Melanie shares what it was like to be raised in the church, and how even the seemingly simplest choices, like deciding what coffee to order, felt overwhelming after she left. She opens up to Jess about the conflict with her sister in Korea and how their relationship has evolved. They also discuss Kelly and Dean Wilking, and how best to support the families of those involved in high-control groups.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this powerful episode, Jess and Kailea sit down with Melanie Lee, a key figure from Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult documentary, to dive deeper into her experience with Shekinah and life after the church. Melanie reflects on pivotal moments not fully explored in the documentary, including her trip to Korea and a revealing conversation with her sister. She also sheds light on Robert’s tactics , offering insights into the early days of Shekinah, and emphasizes the importance of advocacy in helping others affected by cult-like environments. This conversation offers new perspectives and a deeper understanding of Melanie’s journey of recovery, empowerment, and her commitment to supporting others moving forward. As a special treat, Kevin “Konkrete” Davis returns to catch up with Kailea and Melanie, dishing on life after the release of the Dancing Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jess and Kailea continue their conversation with Priscylla Leigh as she reflects on her tumultuous journey through Shekinah Church and what ultimately led her to leave. She also discusses how the process of filming the Dancing for the Devil documentary series and the healing power of finally sharing her story and how it brought about profound personal transformation. Finally, Priscylla talks about finding her strength, reclaiming her voice and recovering from the emotional scars left by her time in the church.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jess and Kailea sit down with Priscylla Leigh to discuss her tumultuous journey through Shekinah Church, which promised salvation but ultimately led to emotional and physical abuse. Priscylla opens up about the manipulation she endured at the hands of Robert Shinn and his cohorts and the internal conflicts she faced, and the pivotal moments that led to her leaving the church multiple times.  Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kailea guides Jessica through the intriguing world of the Modern Mystery School, founded by Gudni Gudnason, a descendant of the Norse god Thor?! As they delve into its claims of spiritual enlightenment, DNA activation, and esoteric teachings, they uncover the school's controversial journey from Iceland to the U.S., and its eventual rise on the international stage. The school’s rapid expansion was fueled by multi-level marketing tactics and accusations of running a pyramid scheme, leaving many followers in both financial and emotional turmoil. Gudni, a charismatic businessman turned spiritual guru, stands at the center of this complex story. This is a story of ambition, belief, and the fine line between genuine spiritual guidance and exploitation. As Kailea and Jessica explore its depths, they uncover the powerful allure of self-proclaimed enlightenment and the potential dangers that come with placing trust in a figurehead with a grand vision. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this powerful episode, Jess & Kailea sit down with past guest Angela (Former wife of Shekinah Church and 7m Films Member James B-Dash Derrick) and her best friend Lacy to discuss their experiences at Hospitality Church, led by Pastor David. They share how their journey within the church, marked by fear-based teachings and emotional trauma, led them to question their faith and ultimately leave. Angela and Lacy reveal the impact of Pastor David's control over relationships, his teachings on gender roles, while also touching on the lasting effects on their personal lives and friendship. Now, they are dedicated to raising awareness about the harm caused by Pastor David and emphasize the importance of compassion for those recovering from cult-like environments.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Jess and Kailea explore the world of Shen Yun, the globally touring performing arts company, and its controversial ties to the Falun Gong movement. They examine the fascinating backstory behind the organization, from its founding to the allegations of forced labor and cult-like practices. Joining them are friends Jeremy and Kylie, who share their personal experiences of attending a Shen Yun performance, offering insights into the spectacle and its darker side. Listen in as they unpack the complexities of this performance group, its marketing tactics, and the ongoing legal investigations surrounding it.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this week's episode, Jess & Kailea dive into the chilling world of the Zizians, a group with extreme beliefs that have led to tragic real-world consequences. The recent arrest of Jack “Ziz” Lasota, shines a light on the dangerous intersection of internet philosophy and radical action. The episode explores the origins of Ziz's unorthodox theories, which pushed the limits of rationalism and sparked violence across the country. Jess and Kailea also unravel the timeline of events that ties this bizarre cult-like group to a series of killings, revealing the dark power the internet holds over our beliefs and actions.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Forgive Me For I Have Followed, Jessica & Kailea dive into the powerful role language plays in cults and high-control groups. They explore how leaders use loaded language, jargon, and manipulation techniques to isolate and bond followers, creating a strong sense of "us vs. them" while redefining everyday words to fit their ideology. From love bombing to the Babel Hypothesis, they also break down how these linguistic tools can influence followers and maintain control, extending beyond cults into business, politics, and social media. Listen in for a deep look at how words can shape belief and power dynamics within high-control environments. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Jess and Kailea examine the balance between trust and ethical boundaries in creative education, focusing on acting coaches. They dive into the controversial methods of Michele Lonsdale-Smith, whose emotionally intense approach sparked concerns about manipulation and control. With testimonies from former students, they also discuss the dangers of crossing the line between personal growth and psychological harm. Lastly, they highlight the importance of setting boundaries and protecting one's well-being in artistic spaces Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What’s the difference between a high-control group and a cult? In this episode, we break down the key distinctions and explore how certain groups and leaders blur the line between self-improvement and coercion. Jessica brings Kailea up to speed about what she has learned about Candace Silvers, a former acting coach, now spiritual healer and life coach, whose methods have raised concerns and definitely lead Jess to saying “that’s not cool!”. They get into some of the questionable techniques and alleged exploitation of this new example of a charismatic leader.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The ladies bring a couple updates to the table and Kailea shares what life's been like outside of the church in this bonus episode. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this special episode of Forgive Me for I Have Followed, Jessica and Kailea reflect on their journey throughout the series, revisiting the guests and conversations that left a lasting impact. They’ll also highlight memorable moments, share personal insights, and offer candid reflections on key sermon recordings from Shekinah Pastor Robert Shinn.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Migdalia Raino opens up about the heartbreaking journey of her son Nick’s involvement with Shekinah Church and 7M Films, detailing the troubling changes she witnessed in him over the years. She shares how Nick’s love for dance led him to the church, but soon the group’s emotional and financial manipulation began to tear apart his connection with his family. Migdalia also discusses her relentless efforts to reconnect with her son, expose the church’s harmful practices, and navigate the frustrating legal barriers in her quest for justice. Through her powerful personal story, Migdalia offers invaluable insights and hope for other families struggling with the dangers of high-control groups.   Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Jessica and Kailea dive deep into the recent controversies surrounding Krump dancer Chez “TIGHTEYEX” Wills. From the creation of Krump Inc. and the rift it’s caused within the community, to his unwavering defense of Robert Shinn and Shekinah Church despite numerous allegations, they explore the complex layers of loyalty, power, and division at play. The hosts also examine how Chez, once a victim of the very structures he now defends, may have shifted from victim to alleged perpetrator in his controversial actions. With a focus on his public confrontations, including the challenge to Kevin Konkrete Davis, they reflect on how these dynamics reshape the Krump movement and what this means for its future. For updates on the Lee sisters and their upcoming podcast, follow @melanielee, @elishapriscyllaleigh and @7mtiktokcult podcast.  Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, we sit down with  the Haleys, creators of Stop Culting and Exposing 7M, and Katie Joy, creator of Without a Crystal Ball, to explore the dark world of Shekinah Church and 7M Films. The Haleys  share their journeys of uncovering the manipulative practices of Robert Shinn and his church, while Katie discusses her personal connection to the Wilking family's story and her extensive work exposing high-control groups. Despite facing legal threats, harassment, and emotional tolls, all three remain dedicated to helping survivors and fighting for justice. Tune in for their powerful insights on the ongoing battle to expose cults and raise awareness about the dangers of manipulation and exploitation. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions. *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, investigative journalist Sarah Berman (Author of Don’t Call It a Cult: The Shocking Story of Keith Raniere and the Women of NXIVM) discusses her reporting on NXIVM and cults. She shares insights into the emotional and ethical challenges of working with survivors, the evolving language around cults, and offers advice on spotting red flags. Sarah also addresses the legal hurdles cults face and what needs to change to better protect victims and hold organizations accountable. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions.   *The following is based on actual events.  Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, we’re joined by Andrew, a former member of Shekinah for over six years in the early 2000s. He shares his journey into the world of the church, how his labor was exploited, and how much of his experience was shaped by his various roles within the cult. He also discusses the disturbing accusations against Pastor Robert Shinn that ultimately led him to leave. Finally, Andrew explains his decision to come forward and how he has reconciled with his spiritual programming. Forgive Me For I Have Followed continues the exploration from Netflix’s hit Dancing for the Devil documentary series by delving deeper into the personal stories of those affected by Robert Shinn, Shekinah Church, and 7M Films. We will focus on the experiences of victims and their families, address urgent questions raised in the documentary, and gather insights from former members and dancers. Our goal is to uncover strategies for combating abuse and ensuring that controlling, cult-like communities are held accountable for their actions. *The following is based on actual events. Certain composite and representative materials and characters have been used for dramatic purposes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.