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It’s not about Ukraine. It’s about Putin.

It’s not about Ukraine. It’s about Putin.

It’s not about Russia, either.

Explain It to Me · Vox

February 4, 202251m 55s

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Show Notes

Dylan Matthews talks with Mark Galeotti (@MarkGaleotti), director of Mayak Intelligence, about what’s going on in Ukraine. They discuss in depth the historical tensions between Russia and Ukraine, Russia’s NATO problem, and the calculations and motivations behind President Vladimir Putin’s moves.


References:


Today, Explained’s episode about Ukraine's pipeline problem 


Vox’s Jen Kirby wrote an explainer about Russia-Ukraine tensions


Adam Tooze on Russia as a petro-state


An excellent 2019 episode from NPR’s Throughline about the rise of Putin


The Weaponisation of Everything: A Field Guide to the New Way of War, by Mark Galeotti 


Hosts:

Dylan Matthews (@dylanmatt), senior correspondent, Vox


Credits:

Sofi LaLonde, producer and engineer

Libby Nelson, editorial adviser

Amber Hall, deputy editorial director of talk podcasts


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