Experiential Anatomy

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share their parallel experiences of navigating the intricacies of partnership in both their personal and professional lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We wrap season three with our pleasure episode as Joan and Jamie encourage us to pursue what feels good–even when the wider culture tends to tell us the opposite! Our hosts discuss what pleasure is, how it differs from enjoyment and indulgence, and describe its necessity for living a generative, healthy life. And listeners get a sneak peek at season four as the ladies workshop ideas for what comes next! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie reflect on the imaginative possibilities that present themselves when we intentionally create space, come into integrity, and move towards pleasure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re joined today by psychiatric physician’s assistant, Leighton Morgan, who grew up similar to our hosts in a fundamentalist religion, deconstructed, and found an embodied path. Leighton’s love of humanity drew her to psychiatry, but after the rigors of grad school followed by overtime professional hours, Leighton succumbed to burnout. She shares her journey of meeting Jamie and the somatic work she put into healing herself. Now, Leighton prides herself on working under capacity and having enough downtime to imagine new possibilities for her future–as a practitioner, a partner, a friend, and a connected community member. To find out more about Leighton’s work at Embrace Wellness Group, check out their website and follow them on Instagram: @embrace_wellness_group. You can email Leighton at [email protected] or contact her via LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/leightonmorgan15/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie and Joan share how the emotional safety of their friendship enables them each to learn and grow despite their differences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we get a primer on German New Medicine, its founder, and its core principles as Jamie details the fascinating history of modern medicine and posits several questions for us to contemplate: What are the fruits of modern medicine? What did colonialization and industrialization extinguish from medical practice? And, what might happen if we interact with our bodies as if they are an intelligent, spiritual technology? Join us in exploring this paradigm-shifting framework, built by a doctor who was ahead of his time, and carried into modernity by those who seek holistic health. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in for Joan’s review of the new album, Life of a Showgirl, and Jamie’s thoughts on checking in with our bodies and supporting them throughout the various seasons and relationships of life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, our hosts are joined by Dr. Roxanne Cooper to discuss a new way to practice medicine. Roxanne shares what led her into family medicine and how, after striving under the old system, she reached burnout. She gives us an intimate look at those years of loss and new beginnings, and the passion she has for ADHD and mental health issues. And Joan and Jamie reflect on their experiences with Roxanne as she journeyed toward embodiment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie processes two recent, difficult events, and Joan reflects on the ripple effect that daily practices can have on the broader systems at work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we get a primer on Emergent Strategy as Joan shares an overview of its main principles and how each relates to experiencing our bodies. Our hosts engage in an energetic discussion on fractals, the law of attraction, and the concept that change is the only constant. They discuss several authors, with an emphasis on Adrienne Maree Brown, and extend an invitation to listeners to join in this work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in on this season’s first memosode as Joan and Jamie talk about being in the realm of unpleasant and worrisome imaginative possibilities and learning to recognize our bodies’ invitations to regulate and balance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Season 3 as Joan and Jamie invite us into a new period of pausing, being curious, and imagining all the possibilities that lie ahead. We get to hear about their summer meet-up and what their bodies experienced being together for the first time. We also catch up on where they’ve been this summer and get a sneak peek at upcoming guests and episodes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in to hear Joan and Jamie’s kids express their ideas of death, while Joan examines truth-telling and Jamie discusses a new identity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The death of season two is upon us! But in keeping with the theme of death-rebirth-life, our hosts announce that Season 3 is happening! Join us today for a peek into what's emerging next and a final discussion on death and the afterlife. Jamie and Joan share their former religious beliefs and the impact those ideas had on their bodies. And they each share what heaven has come to mean to them in the here and now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share about dreams, grief, empathy, and the importance of living through all of life’s highs and lows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re joined today by Dr. Hillary McBride for a conversation about grief and its effect on our bodies. Joan and Jamie share a similar journey of leaving religion as Hillary, so the three discuss the grief over losing one’s identity in God. Hillary explains how important and routine it is for humans to change and reshape our ideas of reality, and it is in these repeated moments that we build our resilience and confidence to withstand the grief that accompanies us throughout all of life. To find out more about Hillary and her newest book, Holy Hurt, visit her website and follow her on Instagram @hillaryliannamcbride. For additional reading, check out the book Hillary mentions by Tanya Luhrmann, How God Becomes Real, on Tanya’s website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as our hosts share similar stories of building resilience within their bodies and how cycles of death and rebirth connect to exercise and healthcare. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, our hosts dive deeper into the world of healthcare as they discuss how death is viewed, experienced, and processed within the modern-day system. Joan offers insights on how physicians handle conversations about death with their patients and families, and the inherently flawed structure that prevents all bodies involved from thriving. Our hosts describe a vision for the future that they hope will replace the current, unsustainable framework. And we get a sneak peek at Jamie’s coaching, as she facilitates an on-the-spot session with Joan during their Body Check-Ins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in to the sounds of freezing, crunching rain as Joan reflects on the dying systems in healthcare and the new limits her body has set, while Jamie shares her new motivation to run and the importance of trusting our bodies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today’s episode, Joan and Jamie discuss the death of modernity and its large-scale systems. From mass co-dependence to the need to control others, they discuss the various structures of society that are slowly dying. On the practical level, they recount stories from personal experience of the various changes they see happening within the modern healthcare system. And they circle back to their Season 1 theme that will inspire us toward an embodied future. Be sure to check out the book they referenced, “Hospicing Modernity” by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie and Joan share vulnerable moments from each of their families’ recent losses. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we have our first guest, Caroline Lee, who joins Jamie and Joan to discuss death doulas. Caroline offers a brief overview of her Bay Area practice and how she got started in this unique line of work. Similar to giving birth, Caroline describes the routine steps that precede death and her role as a doula in making those transitions as smooth as possible for her patients and their families. She also shares the ethereal aspects that oftentimes accompany someone’s passing. And Jamie asks Joan and Caroline to recount how their bodies feel when they care for a dying body. For such a weighty subject, their answers may be a bit surprising! You can find out more about Caroline by emailing or following her on social media: @howcarolinecarolines, @death.ed_, TikTok, and [email protected]. Be sure to check out the hospice booklet by Barbara Karnes and the documentary, “The Last Ecstatic Days,” about Ethan Sisser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in these voice memos to hear a sweet conversation between Joan and her child, along with several of Jamie’s recent experiences around death. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re back! Join our hosts, Jamie and Joan, as we dive into Season 2’s overarching theme of death. These two bring their easy laughter and levity to a heavy subject as they share their vision for this season. Discussing why death matters, they touch on the inextricable link between death and rebirth, and the unavoidable pain that accompanies us all on this journey of life. We’ll get a sneak peek at future guests and hear a bit about what our hosts have been up to in the off-season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie shares her feelings on wrapping up Season 1 and Joan describes her much-anticipated concert experience! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our season wraps today with our hosts talking about their understanding of death and how it affects our relationships with both our loved ones and our bodies. Joan and Jamie’s perspectives complement each other in unexpected ways as they both share how they have processed the concept of death and dying. Despite the weighty topic, the ladies bring their usual levity and brightness and tease us with what’s in store next! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie shares the joy of feeling settled in while Joan’s family takes on Florida! Be sure to check out Jamie’s workshop, Log Off & Tune In, on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14th at 2 PM CST. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today our hosts explore the principle of our bodies being committed to wholeness and vitality and the powerful impact this belief can have on everything–from each individual to our collective structural systems. Joan shares about her lifelong anxiety and how a shift towards this perspective changed how she experienced anxiousness, both in and out of patient rooms. And Jamie dives deeper into what it means to live a life that feels good and how it’s each of our birthrights to do so. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in, to hear Joan’s voice memo about a new bodily experience this week and Jamie’s appreciation for Joan’s embodiment progress. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Twin coughs can’t hold our hosts back as they express gratitude for their respiratory symptoms and dive into the topic of bodies being truth-tellers. They explore the idea that our bodies can’t lie, but sometimes the data they signal can be outdated. Jamie explains how diagnoses can be either helpful doorways or unhelpful destinations. And Joan shares a few stories about how this principle has made practicing medicine more enjoyable. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share voice memos from this past week about feeling life coursing through their bodies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you know your body is alive? Today, Joan and Jamie explore the idea that our bodies are not inanimate objects that can be fully understood and controlled but, rather, our partners in this life requiring a communicative relationship. They discuss how transformative this concept was for their careers and share stories of how they now relate better to the bodies in their care. Listen in to better understand what it means to be a living body. If you’d like to connect with us, we invite you to join us on Substack! https://exanatomy.substack.com/ is the home for the Experiential Anatomy podcast. Find us on Instagram @jamieleefinch and @joanchanmd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s the Jamie episode! Today we travel back in time with our hosts and journey along Jamie’s quest of finding her body. She shares that as an infant she failed to thrive, as an adolescent she brutalized her body, and as an adult, she burned out. But when she finally got curious and quiet, she learned what her body had been trying to communicate since the very beginning. Listen in as the hosts discuss the formation of Jamie’s deep belief that all bodies are capable of health and vitality and the authors and creators Jamie credits most for helping her along the way. If you’d like to connect with us, we invite you to join us on Substack! https://exanatomy.substack.com/ is the home for the Experiential Anatomy podcast. Find us on Instagram @jamieleefinch and @joanchanmd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s the Joan episode! Today we get to hear all about the little girl who dreamed of being a teacher and instead followed both her parents’ footsteps to become a fifth-generation doctor. Joan shares with us when her deep need for certainty began in childhood and explains why she is now deliberately stepping away from that particular value. Jamie’s questions bring us insight into Joan’s life as a mother, a daughter, a family physician, and a body. Then we get a peek into her favorite Instagram accounts and find out who the artist is that inspired Joan’s current ukelele lessons. Listen in to learn all about our dear host, Joan Chan! If you’d like to connect with us, we invite you to join us on Substack! https://exanatomy.substack.com/ is the home for the Experiential Anatomy podcast. Find us on Instagram @jamieleefinch and @joanchanmd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re doing this! Welcome to our very first episode of Experiential Anatomy. We are Joan and Jamie and we love to talk about bodies–feeling them, healing them, and regulating them. Today, we’re sharing a bit about ourselves, why we are starting a podcast, and our vision for future conversations. We hope you’ll decide to listen in again next week and join us this season as we journey toward embodiment. If you’d like to connect with us, we invite you to join us on Substack! https://exanatomy.substack.com/ is the home for the Experiential Anatomy podcast. Find us on Instagram @jamieleefinch and @joanchanmd. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When was the last time you experienced your anatomy? Join Joan Chan, MD, and Jamie Lee Finch, LMT, as they explore what's missing in the way modern healthcare experiences the body. They invite you to come sit with them and experience the beautiful, loving, complex person that is your body. New episodes dropping on October 8, 2024! Listen and follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices