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“Anthropic is not being consistently candid about their connection to EA” by burner2

“Anthropic is not being consistently candid about their connection to EA” by burner2

EA Forum Podcast (Curated & popular) · EA Forum Team

March 31, 20256m 41s

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<p> In a recent Wired article about Anthropic, there's a section where Anthropic's president, Daniela Amodei, and early employee Amanda Askell seem to suggest there's little connection between Anthropic and the EA movement:</p><p> Ask Daniela about it and she says, "I'm not the expert on effective altruism. I don't identify with that terminology. My impression is that it's a bit of an outdated term". Yet her husband, Holden Karnofsky, cofounded one of EA's most conspicuous philanthropy wings, is outspoken about AI safety, and, in January 2025, joined Anthropic. Many others also remain engaged with EA. As early employee Amanda Askell puts it, "I definitely have met people here who are effective altruists, but it's not a theme of the organization or anything". (Her ex-husband, William MacAskill, is an originator of the movement.)</p><p> This led multiple people on Twitter to call out how bizarre this is:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> In my [...]</p> <p>---</p> <p><b>First published:</b><br/> March 30th, 2025 </p> <p><b>Source:</b><br/> <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/anthropic-is-not-being-consistently-candid-about-their?utm_source=TYPE_III_AUDIO&utm_medium=Podcast&utm_content=Source+URL+in+episode+description&utm_campaign=ai_narration" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/anthropic-is-not-being-consistently-candid-about-their</a> </p> <p>---</p> <p>Narrated by <a href="https://type3.audio/?utm_source=TYPE_III_AUDIO&utm_medium=Podcast&utm_content=Narrated+by+TYPE+III+AUDIO&utm_term=ea_forum&utm_campaign=ai_narration" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TYPE III AUDIO</a>.</p> <p>---</p><div style="max-width: 100%";><p><strong>Images from the article:</strong></p><a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/ytf9z9iqwwoizkdsezzw" target="_blank"><img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/ytf9z9iqwwoizkdsezzw" alt="theseriousadult tweets: ""my impression is that it's a bit of an outdated term" (she said, implying unfamiliarity with her husband's life's work). "it's not a theme of the organization or anything" (she said, at the org that split from OpenAI for basically EA reasons, that talks about AI safety and welfare). they don't have to claim that they're EAs but they should be willing to admit that their organization draws from that tradition and is absolutely swimming in EAs." The tweet appears to be criticizing someone's dismissive stance towards EA (Effective Altruism) connections to an AI organization." style="max-width: 100%;" /></a><hr style="margin-top: 24px; margin-bottom: 24px;" /><a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/hhrf9oonaln9pmxztsgw" target="_blank"><img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/hhrf9oonaln9pmxztsgw" alt="theseriousadult tweets: "EA continues to have a lying problem. I'm not even an EA hater! I kinda like them! But the dishonest Machiavellian streak runs deep and it's so unnecessary."" style="max-width: 100%;" /></a><hr style="margin-top: 24px; margin-bottom: 24px;" /><a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/ek4jbwlwqkw0r8nkuglg" target="_blank"><img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/ek4jbwlwqkw0r8nkuglg" alt="Matt Reardon tweets: "Approaching levels of EA adjacentcy never thought possible." The tweet includes a text excerpt discussing Anthropic's relationship with EA (Effective Altruism), featuring quotes from someone who distances herself from EA terminology, while noting that her current husband Holden Karnofsky cofounded an EA philanthropy wing and joined Anthropic, and highlighting that another employee's ex-husband was a movement originator." style="max-width: 100%;" /></a><hr style="margin-top: 24px; margin-bottom: 24px;" /><a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/g7klriowptykyfwbb3tl" target="_blank"><img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/cea/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1/mirroredImages/53Gc35vDLK2u5nBxP/g7klriowptykyfwbb3tl" alt="KZ is in London tweets: "Reasonable PR move but lol". The quoted tweet, by Mathias Kirk Bonde, reads: "Lying is not a reasonable PR move!". The thread shows a brief disagreement about PR tactics and their appropriateness, with engagement metrics visible in the interface." style="max-width: 100%;" /></a><p><em>Apple Podcasts and Spotify do not show images in the episode description. Try <a href="https://pocketcasts.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Pocket Casts</a>, or another podcast app.</em></p></div>