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Design Systems: Beyond The Button

Design Systems: Beyond The Button

Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes

10 episodesEN-US

Show overview

Design Systems: Beyond The Button launched in 2023 and has put out 10 episodes in the time since. That works out to roughly 8 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a monthly cadence.

Episodes typically run thirty-five to sixty minutes — most land between 45 min and 53 min — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-US-language Business show.

The catalogue appears to be on hiatus or wound down — the most recent episode landed 1.8 years ago, with no new episodes in over a year. The busiest year was 2024, with 8 episodes published. Published by Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes.

Episodes
10
Running
2023–2024 · 1y
Median length
49 min
Cadence
Monthly

From the publisher

Wondering what’s involved in making a successful design system? So is Nef, the newest member of zeroheight’s marketing team. In this podcast, Nef is joined by one of zeroheight’s trustiest Design Advocates, Michelle Chin, to get their questions answered about everything related to the big world of design systems. If you’re eager to make the bestest design system ever, you’ve found the perfect place!

Latest Episodes

S1 Ep 10Beyond the Button #10: How do design systems foster user trust?

This month, Michelle is joined by two new faces: Tim Legierse, one of the most tenured members of the zeroheight team, and Beau Ulrey, Sr. Design System Manager at U.S. Bank. This month’s discussion is about how design systems can foster user trust. Sure, a good set of reusable components can create a more consistent product. But what does that mean for users? According to the folks at U.S. Bank, a more consistent UI is a key driver for user trust and adoption, and they’ll tell us how.

Aug 8, 202458 min

S1 Ep 9Beyond the Button #9: Where does user research fit into design systems?

As designers, we aim to be user-centered, but figuring out where to incorporate user research can be tricky. How do we add user research when there’s a demand for components ASAP? Is it weird to ask users how they would use a button? Join us as we explore how user research fits in with the evolution of your design system. We cover approaches for integrating user research in practical and appropriate ways to meet the demands of a design system.

Jul 4, 202443 min

S1 Ep 8Beyond the Button #8: How do you even start documenting patterns?

You’ve created most or all your components, but now people are asking about patterns. In this episode, we break down the initial steps of documenting your patterns, which patterns to document first, and top tips when it comes to pattern documentation.

Jun 5, 202451 min

S1 Ep 7Beyond the Button #7: How do we collaborate around a design system?

This time, we’re tackling how to collaborate on a design system. We’ll talk about the tools you should be using, who should be doing what, and how you can create a review and governance process that ensures your design system site is accurate and consistent.

May 22, 202453 min

S1 Ep 6Beyond the Button #6: We’re measuring our design systems impact, right?

In this episode, we’re talking about something everyone seems to struggle with: measuring the impact of their design system. Should we be measuring how many visitors a design system site has? How often components are used? And, what qualitative measures are worth keeping an eye on?

Mar 15, 202444 min

S1 Ep 5Beyond the Button #5: How are we supposed to be using design tokens, anyway?

In this episode, we discuss a hot topic: design tokens. We talk about when a design system should incorporate design tokens and when. We also explore best practices for creating and maintaining your design tokens, including Michelle’s hot topics on design token naming conventions.

Feb 20, 202455 min

S1 Ep 4Beyond the Button #4: How involved should brand and marketing be in your design system?

In this episode, we jump into the intersection of design systems and branding. We uncover the secrets to striking the perfect balance, exploring what works seamlessly and what may hinder your design process. We explore integrating brand and marketing into your design system, discussing collaboration and coherence, and creating a visual language that works for product design and great user experiences.

Feb 5, 202448 min

S1 Ep 3Beyond The Button #3: How can my team build a successful design system?

In this episode, we ask a tough, subjective question – how can your team build a successful design system? Believe it or not, the answer might be easier than you can imagine. Nef and Michelle uncover what success means and how that might apply to your team.

Jan 10, 202450 min

S1 Ep 2Beyond The Button #2: Who uses a design system?

Developers and designers use design systems, right? They do, but do you know who else uses them? We’ll cover who else uses design systems, why understanding this matters, and how you can best help your design system users.

Dec 4, 202346 min

S1 Ep 1Beyond The Button #1: What is a design system?

In the first episode, Nef and Michelle answered the most fundamental question, “What is a design system?” Is the answer easy and straightforward, or is this a trick question?

Nov 9, 202341 min
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