
Show overview
Cyclocross Radio has been publishing since 2022, and across the 4 years since has built a catalogue of 103 episodes. That works out to roughly 130 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a fortnightly cadence.
Episodes typically run an hour to ninety minutes — most land between 1h 7m and 1h 27m — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Sports show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 4 days ago, with 6 episodes already out so far this year. Published by Bill Schieken.
From the publisher
Weekly news and interview show following the biggest cyclocross races in the US and Europe. Join us in the media pit for the best cyclocross analysis you'll find.
Latest Episodes
View all 103 episodesEpisode 365 | No Olympics for Cyclocross
Episode 364 | Jeremy Powers and Behind THE Barriers
Episode 363 | Joan Hanscom and the USGP (What Your Dad Goes On When He Goes On About Cyclocross ep 1)

Ep 362Episode 362 | Adam Myerson and The State of Cyclocross
Adam Myerson is back on the show to talk about the recent CXHAIRS Bulletin article, "Lies, Damn Lies, and Cyclocross," which outlines the current state of cyclocross with a deep dive into participant statistics. Bill and Adam chat about cyclocross today, what it looked like a decade and even two decades ago, and what, in anything, makes this iteration of the discipline different from the many others over the years. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/.

Ep 361Episode 361 | 2026 World Championships
Tyler Cloutier joins Boedi and Bill to break down the 2026 UCI Cyclocross Championships that took place this past weekend. Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 360Episode 360 | Kerstperiode Recap
Boedi and Bill break down the 2025-2026 Belgian Cyclocross Kerstperiode and answer viewer mail. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 359Episode 359 | Kerstperiode Begins
Tyler Cloutier joins Boedi to chat about the first three races on the Belgian Kerstperiode calendar. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 358Episode 358 | 2025 U.S. Cyclocross National Championships
Boedi and Bill break down everything that happened in Fayetteville, Arkansas, at US Cyclocross Nationals. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 357Episode 357 | Terralba World Cup and CXNATS Preview
Boedi and Bill welcome special guest Tyler Cloutier for a chat about the Terralba world cup and a look ahead to US Cyclocross Nationals. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.
Ep 356Episode 356 | Tábor and Flamanville
Boedi and Bill chat about the start of the cyclocross world cup season and look ahead to US Cyclocross Nationals. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 355Episode 355 | Boulder Cup and Canadian Nats
Boedi and Bill chat about Boulder Cup and Canadian Nationals before tackling viewer mail. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 354Episode 354 | 2025 Pan-American Cyclocross Championships
Boedi and Bill break down everything that happened at the 2025 Pan-American Cyclocross Championships. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 353Episode 353 | Kings CX and Really Rad Festival of Cross
Boedi and Bill break down Kings CX and Really Rad Festival of Cross, chat about Euro-cross, run down the latest on Pan-Ams and answer viewer questions before adding to the pre-race playlist. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 352Episode 352 | Trek CX Cup
Boedi and Bill break down Trek CX Cup, the final weekend of the Trek USCX cyclocross series, with analysis and interviews from the podium finishers. We also answer viewer questions and add to our pre-race playlist. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 351Episode 351 | Charm City Cross
Boedi and Bill break down Charm City Cross, the third weekend of the Trek USCX cyclocross series, with analysis and interviews from the podium finishers. We also answer viewer questions and add to our pre-race playlist. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 350Episode 350 | Rochester Cyclocross
Boedi and Bill break down Rochester Cyclocross, the second weekend of the Trek USCX cyclocross series, with analysis and interviews from the podium finishers. We also answer viewer questions and add to our pre-race playlist. Check out CXTV at www.cyclocrosstv.com. Check out the Cyclocross Radio pre-race playlist Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and other cool stuff at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 349Episode 349 | Virginia's Blue Ridge GO Cross
Boedi and Bill break down Virginia's Blue Ridge GO Cross, the first round of the Trek USCX series with analysis and rider interviews. Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and links to CXTV at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 348Episode 348 | Luke Walter and GO Cross Preview
Boedi and Bill are joined by Luke Walter to talk about joining a new team that will be racing predominantly in Europe and his success at the U.S. UCI opener in Montana last weekend. We then preview the upcoming first round of the Trek USCX series that kicks off in Roanoke this weekend. Follow Luke on Instagram at @luke.walterr. Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar and links to CXTV at cxhairs.com. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 347Episode 347 | Cyclocross Is Still Here
We are back! It's the beginning of another season of cyclocross, which means the beginning of another season of Cyclocross Radio. Boedi and Bill chat about the upcoming season, the upcoming first round of UCI racing in Montana, and then we tackle listener questions. Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the new CXHAIRS.com website that includes the North American grass roots cyclocross calendar, a link to the CXHAIRS Bulletin, and info on the upcoming Pan-American Cyclocross Championships Nov 8-9 in Washington DC. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.

Ep 346Episode 346 | Off-Season Racing
Elisabeth and Boedi join Bill in the Media Pit to catch up on Puck Pieterse's exploits on the road, the MTB World Cup, MvdP vs Pog, and more. We also answer viewer mail. Cyclocross Radio is sponsored by Hammerhead and the Hammerhead Karoo cycling computer. For a limited time, our listeners can get a free heart-rate monitor with the purchase of a Hammerhead Karoo. Visit hammerhead.io right now and use promo code CXRADIO at checkout to get yours today. Go to cxhairsdistro.com and get a Wout Me Worry, Van der Poel Rules, and This Is Real Cyclocross Weather shirt for 20 percent off. Use the code WEATHER at checkout. Twenty percent! Check out the Grassroots National Calendar at www.cxhairsdistro.com/race-calendar. Cyclocross Radio is part of the Wide Angle Podium podcast network. Support independent cycling media by joining the Wide Angle Podium at wideanglepodium.com/donate. Also, check out The CXHAIRS Bulletin at https://cxhairs.substack.com/. Follow @wideanglepodium on Instagram for live race updates Follow Micheal on Twitter at @landsoftly and Instagram at @yeahyouride. Follow Bill on Instagram at @cxhairs and @cxhairsbulletin. You can find Cyclocross Radio and all of the Wide Angle Podium shows on Apple Podcasts if that's how you consume podcasts. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, even if it's not how you consume podcasts.