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Join us in the Aftermath where we continue our discussion on UFOs!

New Episode is live!!! ⠀ ⠀ In our latest series, we are joined Guest Dr Raymond Boeche is the Founder and former director of the Fortean Research Center & has been involved in the study of unexplained phenomena since 1965. ⠀ ⠀ He has served as Nebraska State Director for the Mutual UFO Network, on the Board of Advisors for Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, and in various capacities with numerous other organizations around the world involved in the study of unexplained phenomena.⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀ While Government secrecy & cover-ups have always been part and parcel to UFO sightings, its connection to the world of the occult & black magic has been incredibly underplayed. ⠀ ⠀ Is there a spiritual danger to this phenomena, that well known spokespeople in the UFO community like Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, & Louis Elizondo might not fully be wary of?⠀ ⠀ Tune in to the 1st part of this for this incredibly important conversation to find out!!

In Part 2 of our series, we continue our conversation with about making sense of current end times. Throughout history, people have used apocalyptic books like "Revelation" & the "Olivet Discourse" to try and interpret & make sense of events like The Cold War, 9/11, The War on Terror, & especially current events taking place right now. Is there an alternative to making sense if biblical prophecy asides from lining it up against whatever the current headlines are? Tune in to fine out! Dr. Gary Demar author of “Last Days Madness,

In our latest series we explore all the mysteries & complexities of “The Last Days” Throughout history & especially the last 40 years, people have used apocalyptic books like Revelation to try and make sense of complex world events & in many cases, forecast specific dates for the end of the world. Why do people have such a fascination with the last days & how does it played in to Infamous cults like the Manson Family & the tragedy portrayed in the recent mini-series WACO? Is there a way to make reasonable sense of things like “The Mark of the beast”? We are joined by Dr Gary Demar author of “last madness.” You can check out all of his resources at https://americanvision.org/

In part 2 of our series, we continue our discussion with Michele Kissman who spent nearly 30 years in the Worldwide Church of God. ⠀ Throughout its entirety, the WWCOG was considered a cult by most evangelicals until recent revisions including changing their name to Grace Communion International in order to distance from all the negative history and baggage associated with the name and Armstrong. Updated editions of Walter Martins “Kingdom of the Cults” also credited them for moving from Cultism into Christianity. Where does Worldwide Church of God stand really stand theologically and are there areas that we should all be still be concerned about? Tune into our latest series to find out!

In our latest series we talk with Michele Kissman who spent nearly 30 years in the Worldwide Church of God otherwise known as Armstrongism. In the first part of our discussion we focus in on its founder Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986), who was an American newspaper advertising designer prior to starting the WWCOG. Why did his radio & television program “The World Tomorrow” with its apocalyptic vision of world events captivating to so many? What lessons can we learn from here given current events in our world? Tune in to find out!

Jeremiah and Andrew continue their discussion with Matt DeJesus on Covid 19 and the rise of AI.

In this episode Jeremiah and the Super Sleuth enter into the COVID-19 pandemic that has taken the world hostage. Joining them is Matt De Jesus an avid filmmaker who has been in business for over 30 years. Together the three highlight current events and contrast the climate of the outbreak of COVID-19 with the rise of A.I. "What do COVID-19 and A.I. have in common?" and "Can A.I. solve the problem that plagues all mankind"? Tune into Cultish where this time we enter into current affairs and the rise of A.I.

Continuing last weeks discussion on the relationship between New Thought cults and the Word of Faith movement, we are joined by former New Thought proponent Melissa Doughtery and ex New Ager Steven Bancarz to examine positive confessionalism. This “name it and claim it” doctrine originated in the late 1800s with the teaching known as the Law of Attraction, first coined by Luciferian Helena Blavatsky, and became a staple teaching in New Thought and New Age philosophy. Statements such as “you possess what you confess” (Kenyon) and “you can have what you say” (Hagin) are classic lines by prominent Word of Faith fathers, though these principles originate from the metaphysical schools of the late 19th century. Positive confessionalism has worked its way into some very influential modern-day charismatic churches who have began to embrace the likes of Copeland and Hinn within their circles, refurbishing this doctrine under the new titles “declaration” and “decree”. Join us as we discuss the pervasiveness, error, and danger of this staple WOF doctrine and its relationship to the New Thought cults of past and present.

The Word of Faith movement is often critiqued for its health and wealth Gospel, charismatic abuses, and the antics of its televangelists. What’s talked about less often is its historical ties to the metaphysical cults of the late 1800s, and its doctrinal parallels to New Thought and New Age spirituality. Word of Faith grandfather E. W. Kenyon (1867-1948) was influenced by New Thought teachers such as Phineas Quimby and Mary Baker Eddy, thanks to his extensive metaphysical library and the influence of New Thought at his college of study. These teachings later become adopted and intensified by the father of the modern WOF movement Kenneth E. Hagin, who inspired the likes of Copeland, Roberts, and Hinn. In this series, we are joined by former New Thought proponent Melissa Doughtery and former New Ager Steve Bancarz to document these historical ties and analyze the striking similarities between WOF teachings and the metaphysical cults of past and present.

In the third & final part of our “How to Talk to Mormon Missionaries” series we are joined once again by former Mormon missionary Dan Tate and dive into the meat and potatoes of LDS Theology derived from “Lesson Two: Plan of Salvation” from the “Preach My Gospel” handbook. Lesson One was the bridge used by the LDS to show how they are different from Christianity; and how through the Great Apostasy the truth of the gospel was lost. Lesson 2 aims to help the Investigator walk the bridge through the Ordinances of the gospel. So what is the Plan of Salvation now? How are you saved according to LDS theology? Better yet, What are the ordinances that Joseph Smith restored? If you’ve ever wondered what to expect if you ever sit down with a pair of missionaries, our guest Dan Tate gives quite the unique perspective as someone who once believed and taught this message to others for 2 years while on his mission in Florida.

In the second part of our “How to Talk to Mormon Missionaries” series we are joined once again by former Mormon missionary Dan Tate and dive into the Mormon concept of the “Restoration and the Authority of Joseph Smith” derived from the “The Message of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ” from the “Preach My Gospel” handbook. ⠀ ⠀⠀ How can you know the impressions of your heart are your desires or from God? ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ Was it up to Joseph to Restore the Gospel or has the Word of God and the Church been preserved throughout time by the power of the Holy Spirit? ⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀If you’ve ever wondered what to expect if you ever sit down with a pair of missionaries, our guest Dan Tate gives quite the unique perspective as someone who once believed and taught this message to others for 2 years while on his mission in Florida.

In our latest series, we are joined once again by former mormon missionary Dan Tate as we examine the 1st lesson that Mormon Missionaries will teach potential converts called “The Message of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Did the Christian church really go into darkness & apostasy for nearly 1800+ plus years requiring a complete restoration? Is the current mormon church even consistent with the original claims of their prophet Joseph Smith when this alleged restoration took place? If you’ve ever wondered what to expect if you ever sit down with a pair of missionaries, our guest Dan gives quite the unique perspective as someone who once believed and taught this message to others for 2 years while on his mission in clearwater Fl.

In Part 2 of our series, we continue our discussion with former Mormon Missionary Dan Tate who served a 2 year mission in Jacksonville, Florida. During that time on his mission, Apostle Russell M Nelson (now currently the residing Mormon prophet) came and gave a talk at his one of his missionary gatherings and said something incredibly revealing about the ultimate purpose of missionaries out on the field. Curious about what was said and how its related to the expansion of the Mormon Empire? Tune in to Find out!

Episode 1: Mormon Missionary Lessons Have you ever wondered what a missionary would teach if you invited them in? Have you ever been confused with how similar the LDS terminology is compared to Christian terminology, when you KNOW they are different gospels? As an introduction to this series, we start off from ground zero; the process of a missionary applying for service, the missionary training center (MTC), and the culture surrounding the Missionary's departure. With our returning guest Daniel Tate, we jump back in time when he first turned his Missionary Papers in 10 years ago, and the steps he took to prepare for a long 2 years of service.

In Part 2 of our exclusive, we continue our conversation with Briell Decker who grew up in the FLDS ( Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) & and became the 65th wife to Warren Jeffs at the age of 18. Shortly after, she began to heavily question the movement she grew up in just as Warren Jeffs became a fugitive from the FBI & became a household name on all the national headlines. How did this collision of worlds lead to her escape from this notorious cult? Tune in to find out! Please consider supporting us at https://thecultishshow.com/donate to help this program to continue and give cult survivors like Brielle a voice.

Join us for this exclusive as we talk with Briell Decker who offers a unique first hand perspective of what it was really like growing up in the FLDS. ( Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) At the age of 18, she became and the 65th wife of Warren Jeffs who's considered by many as one of the most notorious cult leaders in American History. We hope you all ejoy the 1st part of this incrediable conversation. Please consider supporting was at https://thecultishshow.com/donate to help this program to continue and give survivors like Brielle a voice.

Latest episode is up! ⠀ Listen now on iTunes, Spotify, or your favorite podcast catcher! ⠀ In 2nd part of our latest series, we continue our talk with Yvonne Welz & Talk about why she continued to Participate in New Age practices Even while being an active member in the Mormon Church... We also talk about what caused her to finally leave the LDS church and to stop all of her new age practices.. We also talked about some of the biggest difficulties that both ex cultists & new agers have when transitioning into biblical Christianity & the local church. ⠀ Tune in to the final part of the series and let us know what you think!

In our latest series, we talk with Yvonne Welz about her journey through Mormonism and the New Age, and how she found true faith in Christ.

In this final segment, we continue our discussion with Jennifer Brewer (the author of "Free: From Legalism to Grace Breaking Out of the United Pentecostal Church"). ⠀ We elaborate on her turning point within the UPCI (United Pentecostal Church International). ⠀ Was it the strict standards of "Holiness" that were her breaking point? Or, was it something else altogether that caused Jennifer to question the UPCI? ⠀ Better yet, what happens to a person when they leave an organization that their whole life & identity is wrapped up in? Time in to find out!

In the first part of our series, we talk with Jennifer Brewer who is the author of "Free: From Legalism to Grace Breaking Out of the United Pentecostal Church". Jennifer was raised since childhood in the UPC and has a unique insiders perspective on what its really like always being looked at and measured up from the length of your skirts and being told if you cut our hair, it means you are severing your relationship with God and would be losing the power you had from the angels to keep your family together.We discuss this and much more in the 1st part of this series!

Join us for this special interim episode as exhume from the archives an old message from the late Dr. Walter Martin. ⠀ ⠀ What is the real secret of Christmas and why is understanding it essential in order to engage the Kingdom of the Cults? ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ Tune into this brief talk from Uncle Wally to find out! ⠀ ⠀ Merry Christmas everyone!!! ⠀

We begin Part 2 of our discussion of Jeffrey Epstein by discussing a candid video of an ABC news anchor admitting that she was directed to bury and ignore Epstein stories back to 2016. We then discuss the importance of independent testimony to verify a claim and how to verify that independent testimony is actually independent, and we then do a re-cap of the independent data and independent testimony that links Epstein to the intelligence communities. We discuss Epstein's "Little Black Book" a handwritten record important people he knew and their personal contact methods. We discuss possible reasons why an individual would want to keep such a contact book and touch on some of the names in this book: Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey. Epstein's contact book connects Epstein to the NXIVM (nex-eee-um) cult. NXIVM is publicly a multi-level marketing company but the US Government states that NXIVM is a cult. NXIVM is connected to several breakaway Mormon communities in northern Mexico by procuring girls from these Mormon communities to serve in NXIVM's compounds on the north-eastern seaboard. We paint a picture of a child-trafficking route that existed in the Finders' time from the north-eastern seaboard down through Mexico and the continuation of this child-trafficking route under Epstein's supervision into the modern day. We discuss the profit motive of and the profitability of the trafficking routes. We conclude by discussing occult religious angles to Epstein's activities; the temple on his island, his obsession with improving the human genome by siring a new generation of supermen using himself as a template and the tenets of theistic Satanism and how those same tenets may apply to Epstein's activities and objectives. Attorney Andrew Morrow returns as our guest.

In part 1 we discuss the definition and ramifications of the word “conspiracy” and legal standards of evidence for a claim. We then talk about Jeffrey Epstein’s early life and his mysterious rise in the financial sector while claiming to be an intelligence agent and being involved in the Iran-Contra Affair. We discuss Epstein's connections to some of the most infamous spies in history as well as prior precedent for the US Government being compromised by nefarious organizations. We discuss recently declassified FBI documents relating to a mysterious cult of child traffickers named “The Finders” that were active from the 50s to 1993 and how they may relate to Epstein. Specifically we discuss the connections between the Finders and the US intelligence community, the Finders' mysterious and nefarious activities and then tie Epstein to being the legacy of the Finders organization through their mutual ties to the intelligence community and their shared activities that hint at a shared role. Our guest for this segment is Andrew Morrow, an attorney.

In the 2nd part of the series, we continue our conversation with former new ager Steven Bancarz Including how to discern all the buzz and controversy regarding Kanye West and his new album Jesus is king. We hope you enjoy the final part of this conversation

Is Kanye West a Masonic Illuminati puppet pretending to be a Christian in hopes of leading the church into a one-world religion under the anti-Christ? Are we witnessing the beginning of a pseudo-Christian cult produced by the world elite for the purpose of leading the church into apostasy? According to some corners of the body of Christ, and even according to some ministries, the answer to these questions is a resounding yes. Kanye is definitely a secret-society member working for Satan’s Kingdom, hiding his true agenda in plain site through symbolism. But are these charges rooted in objective, factual evidence that should hold up in God’s courtroom? And are those who bring these charges to the public abiding by God’s standard of due-process, fair trial, and righteous judgement from a presumption of innocence? Are we giving an answer before we hear (Pro. 18:13), and coming to a conclusion prior to cross-examination (Pro. 18:17)? In this episode, guest Steven Bancarz joins us to take a deeper look into the good, the bad, and the Cultish about Kanye West’s conversion. We will examine the Bibles standard of discernment, the Bibles standard of righteous judgement and due process, how we should interact with phenomena like this as a church, while also diving deep to cross-examine some of the charges that are being launched against him.

In episode 2 we pick up where we left off, after Tom's original advisers were exposed in the Wikileaks dump of 2016. This led to Tom forming a second group of advisers in 2017, who now comprise the To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. We begin by examining the members of TTSA and exploring the purpose of this organization. We then continue considering point #2 from Colin's article (https://thecultishshow.com/blog/engaging-et), by discussing Mr. Luis Elizondo, the intelligence officer who was central to the New York Times' ground breaking piece in 2017. We also consider the testimony of Top Gun pilot Commander David Fravor, who was also featured in that article and recently appeared on the Joe Rogan Podcast. Clearly, the government is being more open about this subject, and the media is taking it much more seriously than in the past. Finally, we end by considering the subject from a Christian worldview perspective. While some UFOs may indeed be misidentified natural phenomenon, or some secret government tests, many objects that are credibly observed do not fit neatly into these categories. What exactly is a Christian to make of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, which demonstrates anomalous characteristics and intelligent control? Tune in to the discussion to find out.

In part one we begin to discuss Colin's article ( https://thecultishshow.com/blog/engaging-et ), thinking especially of the religious implications of ET/UFO beliefs. Pastor Samul gives us some of his background and testimony, and explains why he has continued to follow this subject. We discuss the modern obsession with UFOs in relation to everything from the New Age, Mormonism, Transhumanism, and the theory of Evolution. As we will see, the UFO is the apotheosis of modern religious sentiments We then delve into the background of Tom Delonge in the early formation of his company "To the Stars." We quickly dive into the rabbit hole of clandestine government contacts and our military's interaction with the UFO phenomenon, as related to Tom by his original advisers from within the government. According to them the phenomenon is not only real, but has often appeared threatening to our military establishment. We end with Tom's original advisers breaking off contact with him, as their identities were exposed in the 2016 wikileak dump of DNC emails. This would lead to Tom organizing a second group of government advisers who are now publicly associated with him through the To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, which we will explore further in episode 2.

In part 2, we continue our discussion with Michelle Owens as she continues her journey from leaving Mormonism only to end up the U.P.C.I (United Pentecostal Church International ). Where does this story end? Tune in to find out!

What would do if you grew up in a Cult and left only to end up in another? Would you lose all hope or would there be light at the end of the tunnel? In the first part of our latest series, we are joined by Michelle Owens who shares with us how she grew up in Mormonism only to end up in the U.PC.I (United Pentecostal Church International)

During the October LDS General Conference meeting of 2019 in Salt Lake City, the Super Sleuth and Brother Wade were able to sit down and chat with Sandra Tanner. Sandra talked about how she met her Husband Jerald while giving a brief overview on the history of Mormonism.

In Part 4, we wrap up our dialogue with Bethel attendee Elijah Stephens as he shares with us from his perspective how he believes he can help Charismatics avoid the new age. How exactly does that make sense in light of our recent series on Bethel and the New Age with Doreen Virtue and Melissa Doughtery? Tune in to find out!

In part 3 of our dialogue with Bethel attendee Elijah Stephens , we discus some important theological issues brought up in our initial series Defecting From Bethel.⁣What does Bill Johnson really believe and teach about Jesus Christ? Does their message just have an unhealthy view of signs and wonders or should they be put into the same category of Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses? Tune into this important dialogue and be part of the conversation.

In part 2 we continue our discussion with Elijah Stephens who currently attends Bethel Church and flew out from Redding, California to be with us in studio. ⁣ ⁣ Elijah teaches BSSM classes and Bethel Equip Classes on Apologetics and the Bible and wanted to be part of the continuing conversation about the Bethel Movment ⁣ ⁣ Though Elijah has received the blessings of his leadership to come on the show and talk with us, he is not coming on as Bethel’s official representative. We discussed a broad variety of topics and while the issues surrounding Bethel are extraordinarily concerning and serious, we also hope to show they can be discussed in a civil manner the same way in which Walter Martin used to do whenever he was a guest on the Jon Ankerberg show. ⁣

Join us in our latest series devoted to a recent dialogue we had with Elijah Stephens who currently attends Bethel Church and flew out from Redding, California to be with us in studio. ⁣ ⁣ Elijah teaches BSSM classes and Bethel Equip Classes on Apologetics and the Bible and wanted to be part of the continuing conversation about the Bethel Movment ⁣ ⁣ Though Elijah has received the blessings of his leadership to come on the show and talk with us, he is not coming on as Bethel’s official representative. We discussed a broad variety of topics and while the issues surrounding Bethel are extraordinarily concerning and serious, we also hope to show they can be discussed in a civil manner the same way in which Walter Martin used to do whenever he was a guest on the Jon Ankerberg show. ⁣

In our latest episode of Cultish, we are joined by Lance Sorenson who shares what it was like growing up as a Mormon in Provo, Utah. Even as a young child he began to question and have doubts about major changes taking place within the LDS at the time. This eventually led him to leave the church in-spite of the intense sociological pressure surrounding him. We hope you all enjoy this conversation as much as we did!

In our latest episode of Cultish, we are joined by Lance Sorenson who shares what it was like growing up as a Mormon in Provo, Utah. Even as a young child he began to question and have doubts about major changes taking place within the LDS at the time. This eventually led him to leave the church in-spite of the intense sociological pressure surrounding him. We hope you all enjoy this conversation as much as we did!

In this highly anticipated follow-up to our initial series on Bethel, Co-Hosts Jeremiah Roberts and Andrew “SuperSlueth” Soncrant are joined in studio by 2 special guests to have this important discussion on the New Age Infiltration of the church. -Doreen Virtue spent 22 years as a psychic, mystic, and medium - writing over 70+ New Age books on everything from Crystal Therapy to Angel Communication before Jesus saved her and she renounced her old practices. -Melissa Dougherty spent a large portion of her young adulthood in New Thought (Law of Attraction) before renouncing those beliefs, and she now helps others do the same. Their passion is to bring awareness to New Age teachings and practices that have infiltrated Bethel, as it appears to be indicative of many Christians either welcoming, or being unaware of, New Age practices within the Church. Are New Age and Occultic practices irredeemable spiritual narcotics, or can we extract precious truths hidden within them because they really belong to the Kingdom of God? We want to invite all those who have attended, and especially those who currently attend, Bethel Church in Redding, California to listen in and be part of this important conversation.

In this highly anticipated follow-up to our initial series on Bethel, Co-Hosts Jeremiah Roberts and Andrew “SuperSlueth” Soncrant are joined in studio by 2 special guests to have this important discussion on the New Age Infiltration of the church. -Doreen Virtue spent 22 years as a psychic, mystic, and medium - writing over 70+ New Age books on everything from Crystal Therapy to Angel Communication before Jesus saved her and she renounced her old practices. -Melissa Dougherty spent a large portion of her young adulthood in New Thought (Law of Attraction) before renouncing those beliefs, and she now helps others do the same. Their passion is to bring awareness to New Age teachings and practices that have infiltrated Bethel, as it appears to be indicative of many Christians either welcoming, or being unaware of, New Age practices within the Church. Are New Age and Occultic practices irredeemable spiritual narcotics, or can we extract precious truths hidden within them because they really belong to the Kingdom of God? We want to invite all those who have attended, and especially those who currently attend, Bethel Church in Redding, California to listen in and be part of this important conversation.

Join us in the Aftermath where we debrief from our series on Bethel!

Due to the overwhelmingly positive response from our latest series on the UPCI, we had our guests Jeff Sully & Andrew James Levesque back on to record another volume on the (U.P.C.I) United Pentecostal Church International. Listen in as we further explore how to understand those affected by U.P.C. policies like the holiness code and how to reach out to loved ones & family members in this movement. We hope you all enjoy this additional discussion on the U.P.C.I and we hope to explore this movement again sometime soon.

In part 2 in our introductory series to the U.P.C.I. (United Pentecostal Church International) former members Jeff Sully & Andrew James Levesque continue our discussion on how the U.P.C.I evolved to where it is today & cover many of the cultish sociological & phycological aspects of within U.P.C.I movement. Finally, we discuss not only how both of them left the movement but where both of them ended up after leaving.

In our latest series, we finally dive into the U.P.C.I. (United Pentecostal Church International) Joining us is Jeff Sully: a former 5th generation devotee & Andrew James Levesque: who was a 4th generation devotee and licensed UPCI minister. In part 1, we turn back the clock all the way back to the early 1900s and discuss the historical origins of one of the most prominent religious movements in North America that's had a lasting effect to this very day.

In part 2 of the series, co-hosts Andrew Soncrant and Jeremiah Roberts continue their discussion with Tanner T. Johnsrud- a former 5th generation devotee of Christian Science. Tanner shares in depth with us on how practitioners of Christian Science try to heal people, and the heartbreaking accounts of so many who have died prematurely because of these practices. Finally, he shares with us how he left Christian Science and the true hope and redemption he found after leaving.

Join us for this brand new episode of Cultish as we finally jump into Christian Science and the crazy world of Mary Baker Eddy. In part one of the series, co-hosts Andrew Soncrant and Jeremiah Roberts talk with Tanner Johnsrud, a former 5th generation devotee of Christian Science. In this episode, Tanner shares with us everything about the group-from its origins with Mary Baker Eddy, the reasons why they refuse all medical treatment, and how this infamous cult has influenced modern televangelists like Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland. We will explore this and so much more!

In the second part of this volume, we continue our conversation with Jehovah’s Witness Nathan Todd Fisher discussing what the cultish mindset of one loyal to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and how to interact with their New World Translation interpretation of the bible. Finally, we discuss some of the shortcomings that well-known commentators on cults like Steven Hassan, Leah Remini & Mike Rinder have in regards to their dealing with Cults specifically that of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

These are the stories of those who have left and survived the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. In this volume, Nathan Todd Fisher shares with us his experience growing up in the watchtower, from going door to door with his parents as a young child, to being disfellowshipped, to ultimately finding what he could never attain in the Watchtower. Grace, Mercy & Forgiveness. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like growing up in the Watchtower, and what it’s like to be on the outside after being disfellowshipped and shunned, this is definitely a series you need to listen to!

This will be the first of many stories of those who have left & survived the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. We begin with Clay Frye was a Jehovah’s Witnesses for 32 years before being disfellowshiped.

We continue our conversation with Clay Frye was a Jehovah’s Witnesses for 32 years before being disfellowshiped.

Join us for the 2nd part of our UFO/Alien extravaganza with our friends from the Sheologians Podcast. Bob Lazar became an ICON in the UFO world after blowing the whistle on Area 51 back in the late 80's, claiming that the US government had alien spacecraft and was seeking to figure out its technology. Does it matter if this claim is true or not? Tune in to find out!!