CISO Perspectives (public)

Please enjoy this encore of CISO Perspectives. In the season finale of CISOP, Kim Jones is joined by N2K’s own Ethan Cook to reflect on the conversations that shaped this season. Together, they revisit standout moments from Kim’s interviews, unpacking their significance and getting Ethan’s fresh perspective on the cybersecurity workforce challenge—as someone viewing the industry from the outside. Since the mid-season reflection, Kim has explored a wide range of workforce issues, including skills mapping, talent identification, and the evolving strategies needed to close cybersecurity’s talent gap.

As the emphasis on improving cybersecurity has continued to grow, so has the number of vendors offering a range of cybersecurity services. However, despite the value many of these vendors bring, the relationship between vendors and clients has become strained. In this episode, Kim explores this relationship, offering his thoughts on this relationship and what both sides can do to better to improve this dynamic. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Despite being adopted and prioritized by many organizations, cybersecurity still faces a significant challenge where leaders still cannot articulate their needs, and find and develop talent. Rather, organizations oftentimes follow the same strategy many others are utilizing, which involves poaching talent with enticing salaries. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Ed Vasko, the CEO at High Wire Networks, to discuss this approach and the impacts it is having on the cyber talent ecosystem. Throughout the conversation, Ed and Kim discuss their experience when assessing talent and some of the mistakes made by the industry, and what can be done to begin correcting this approach. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Even as cybersecurity has grown and become universially accepted, the field has continued to struggle when attempting to assess and aquire talent. Oftentimes, there is a disconnect between what organizations need and what they interview for leading vague job postings and ineffective hirings. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Jeff Welgan, the Chief Strategist and CEO at SkillRex, to discuss how we assess talent. Throughout the conversation, Jeff and Kim will discuss the problems associated with traditional workforce management and how modernizing this approach can provide a strategic advantage. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

In this mid-season episode, Kim takes a step back to reflect on the journey so far—revisiting key conversations, standout moments, and recurring themes that have shaped the season. During the episode, Kim sits down with N2K's own Ethan Cook to connect the dots across episodes, uncovering deeper patterns and takeaways. Whether you're catching up or tuning in weekly, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and fresh perspective on where we've been—and what's still to come.

Show Notes: As cybersecurity has matured, the field has become more formalized within businesses with CISOs leading the way. However, despite the value of the CISO and its widespread adoption, the role has continued to lose agency with other board members. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Patty Ryan, the CISO at QuidelOrtho, to assess the value of the role. Throughout the conversation, Patty and Kim will discuss the challenges facing CISOs, why the role has lost its agency, and what can be done to reverse the current trajectory. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Show Notes: Cybersecurity has continued to grow and mature as a field over the past decade which has given rise to numerous degree pathways across dozens of collegiate institutions; however, the value of these degrees has continued to be a topic of debate. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Dr. Lara Ferry, the Vice President of Research at Arizona State University, to explore higher education's role in cyber. Throughout the conversation, Lara and Kim will discuss the challenges facing degree programs, the disconnects between organizations and institutions, and how the gap can be better addressed. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Show Notes: As the cybersecurity industry has grown, the field has struggled to answer the question: do certifications matter? In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with N2K's own, ⁠Simone Petrella, to answer this question and discuss why the value of certifications continue to be debated. Throughout the conversation, Simone and Kim will discuss the challenges associated with certifications, and how the industry can adjust the ways it sees and utilizes them. Got cybersecurity, IT, or project management certification goals?Want more CISO Perspectives?: For the past 25 years, N2K's practice tests have helped more than half a million professionals reach certification success. Grow your career and reach your goals faster with N2K’s full exam prep of practice tests, labs, and training courses for Microsoft, CompTIA, PMI, Amazon, and more at n2k.com/certify. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Show Notes: As cybersecurity matures, one area still lags: diversity. In this thought-provoking episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones takes the mic solo to address a topic that remains both critical and controversial. Kim explores the current state of diversity in the cybersecurity field, why progress has been slow, and how inclusive teams drive greater innovation and resilience. Tune in for an honest conversation that challenges the status quo and pushes the industry forward. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Please enjoy this encore of CISO Perspectives. Show Notes: While the cybersecurity industry has expanded and grown in recent years, newcomers still struggle to gain relevant "experience" before officially beginning their cyber careers. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Kathleen Smith, the Chief Outreach Officer at clearedjobs.net and the co-host of Security Cleared Jobs: Who’s Hiring & How, to discuss this dilemma and what new entrants can do to account for these difficulties. Throughout the conversation, Kathleen and Kim will discuss the challenges associated with entry-level cyber positions, how to gain meaningful experience, and how the industry as a whole contributes to this problem. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion ⁠blog post⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Please enjoy this encore of CISO Perspectives. Show Notes: Cybersecurity has an identity problem where the industry as a whole is struggling to determine whether it is a trade or a profession. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Larry Whiteside Jr., the Chief Advisory Officer for The CISO Society, to discuss this identity crisis and how the industry as a whole connects to both of these labels. Throughout the conversation, Larry and Kim will discuss the merits and drawbacks of both labels and how cybersecurity does not solely fall into one category or the other. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion blog post by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

Please enjoy this encore of CISO Perspectives Show Notes: The cyber talent ecosystem faces severe indigestion, which has stifled growth and closed doors to new talent. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Ed Adams, the Head of Cybersecurity for North America at the Bureau Veritas Group, to discuss what has caused this indigestion and how leadership can better address these challenges. A key aspect of this conversation revolved around discussing Ed's book, See Yourself in Cyber: Security Careers Beyond Hacking, and how he expands the conversation surrounding traditional roles associated with cybersecurity. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion blog post by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

In the season finale of CSO Perspectives, Ethan Cook and Kim Jones reflect on a season of conversations exploring what it means to lead security in a rapidly evolving “brave new world.” From the realities behind AI hype and the slow-burn impact of quantum computing to the business forces shaping cybersecurity innovation, they revisit key lessons and lingering challenges facing today’s CISOs. The episode closes with an optimistic—but candid—look at why fundamentals, critical thinking, and leadership still matter as the industry moves forward. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠s by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements episodes throughout the season.

In this CISOP episode of CSO Perspectives, Host Kim Jones sits down with John Funge, venture capitalist at DataTribe, to explore how investors view the cybersecurity landscape. Kim reflects on the tension between innovation, profit motives, and the real needs of security practitioners—raising questions about whether the industry prioritizes mitigation over true solutions. John offers a candid look inside the VC decision-making process, breaking down how teams, market fit, and long-term defensibility shape investment choices. Together, they examine how founders, investors, and CISOs can better align to drive meaningful, effective security innovation. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.

In this episode, host Kim Jones tacks a topic that is rapidly moving from theoretical to operational reality: quantum computing. While classical computing will remain the backbone of our systems for years to come, quantum technologies are advancing fast enough that CISOs must begin preparing today. Kim explores what quantum computing really means, why it matters for cybersecurity, and how leaders should begin planning for its inevitable impact. To help demystify the subject, Kim is joined by longtime colleague and cybersecurity practitioner Michael Sottile—now the CSO of a quantum computing firm—who brings decades of hands-on experience across industries and a front-row seat to quantum's evolution. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.

In this episode, host Kim Jones examines the rapid rise of enterprise AI and the tension between innovation and protection, sharing an RSA anecdote that highlights both excitement and concern. He outlines the benefits organizations hope to gain from AI while calling out often-overlooked risks like data quality, governance, and accountability. Kim is joined by technologist Tony Gauda to discuss why AI represents a fundamental shift in how systems and decisions are designed. Together, they explore AI-driven operations, cultural barriers to experimentation, and how CISOs can adopt AI responsibly without compromising security. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.

In this episode, Kim Jones sits down with Eric Nagel, a former CISO with a rare blend of engineering, legal, and patent expertise, to unpack what responsible AI really looks like inside a modern enterprise. Eric breaks down the difference between traditional machine learning and generative AI, why nondeterministic outputs can be both powerful and risky, and how issues like bias, hallucinations, and data leakage demand new safeguards—including AI firewalls. He also discusses what smaller organizations can do to manage AI risk, how tools like code-generation models change expectations for developers, and the evolving regulatory landscape shaping how companies must deploy AI responsibly. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.

In this mid-season episode, Kim takes a step back to reflect on the conversations he has had so far. During the episode, Kim sits down with N2K's own Ethan Cook to connect the dots across episodes, diving into how new technologies are impacting longstanding challenges, both from a security standpoint and from an attacker's view. Whether you're catching up or tuning in weekly, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and fresh perspective on where we've been—and what's still to come.

Managing identity has been an evolving challenge as networks have only continued to grow and become more sophisticated. In this current landscape, these challenges have only become further exacerbated with new emerging technologies. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Richard Bird from Singular AI to discuss this evolving paradigm. Throughout this conversation, Kim and Richard tackle how managing identity has evolved and how security leaders can get ahead of AI to better secure their systems and networks. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.

Fraud has always been a consistent challenge. As the world has continued to become increasingly interconnected and as new technologies have become widely available, threat actors have continued to evolve their tactics. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Mel Lanning from the Better Business Bureau to discuss fraud and how it has been evolving in recent years. From exploiting cryptocurrencies to utilizing emerging technologies, Kim and Mel look into how threat actors are changing and refining tactics in the current threat landscape. This episode of N2K Pro's CISO Perspectives podcast is brought to you by our sponsor, Meter. Meter provides a full-stack, enterprise-grade networking solution—wired, wireless, and cellular—designed, deployed, and managed end-to-end. From hardware to software, ISP to security, Meter delivers seamless, secure, and scalable connectivity for modern business environments. Learn more about Meter. Want more CISO Perspectives? Check out a companion ⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode.