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Is the NSC Unwell?

Is the NSC Unwell?

ChinaTalk

February 1, 20241h 42m

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Show Notes

Heart attacks, prostate cancer, Jake Sullivan awake for a home invasion attempt at 4 AM because he was just up working on a random Tuesday night?

Is the national security bureaucracy in America unwell?

To discuss, I have on today John Gans, a former Pentagon speechwriter, who’s had many, many other jobs in Washington. He is also the author of the fantastic “White House Warriors,” a history of the National Security Council.  

We get into:

  • Why the organizational design of the NSC leads to such crushing burdens for midlevel and senior staffers
  • The kinds of high-flyers that are drawn to the national security complex and what keeps them there
  • How POTUS’s time constraints impact decision-making
  • Why NSC’s historically are excellent at spotting problems but often overeager when crafting solutions
  • The NSC’s role in America’s “forever wars.”
  • Roosevelt, Kennedy, Nixon, and Trump’s “maverick model” of running the NSC compared to the Eisenhower vision of “regular order”
  • How seemingly prosaic technological innovations like track changes and video conferencing have dramatically changed national security policymaking
  • How reading Shakespeare can improve the quality of our policy-making
  • What a better model could look like


Illustration from the New Yorker's recent feature on Sullivan. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/16/trial-by-combat

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