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SHORT CUTS #76 - National Crisis: Strombo Needs Job

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The National Post’s Ashley Csanady co-hosts. With serial TV host George Stroumboulopoulos leaving Hockey Night in Canada, Jesse and Ashley discuss Canadian media’s obsession with keeping established stars on air. After the cancellation of her show DNTO, Sook-Yin Lee will be hosting a CBC summer series. And Evan Solomon is moving back to TV after being fired from CBC's Power and Politics around this time last year. Plus, how objective should--and can--the CBC be?Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 23, 201640 min

Ep.139 - "It Was A Power Play" - Sexual Harassment Claim at Global News B.C.

Global News anchor Chris Gailus is one of British Columbia's most reknowned television broadcasters. He's won an Emmy for his work. He's also been accused of sexually harassing his former makeup artist, Dawn Koke. Dawn Koke speaks to Jesse about sexual harassment in the news business. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 20, 201629 min

SHORT CUTS #75 - I Need to Talk S**t About John Ivison

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Response to the mass shooting in Orlando, John Ivison's terrible column and a split at the National Magazine Awards. Erica Lenti, deputy editor of Torontoist, co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 16, 201630 min

Ep.138 - How Justin Won

How did the Liberals win the election? Author Susan Delacourt knows. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 12, 201633 min

SHORT CUTS #74 - Suicide, Silence and the Star

Hodan Nalayeh, founder of IntegrationTV, co-hosts. A reporter at the Toronto Star has died by suicide, which caused the paper's union to call for an official, third-party investigation. Jesse and Hodan discuss how the Star and other media handled Raveena Aulakh's death. VICE’s documentary This Is Dixon investigates whether gangs are a myth in a Toronto community. But Hodan and other members of the Somali community say they’re just perpetuating stereotypes. The Chinese Foreign Minister berated a Canadian reporter for asking about human rights in China.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 9, 201628 min

Ep.137 - I Stand With Gawker

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Gawker has repeatedly smeared writer Stephen Marche. So why is he publicly defending Gawker in the wake of their legal battles with Hulk Hogan?Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 6, 201636 min

SHORT CUTS #73 - Giant Novelty Spliff

The Toronto Star joins in the long media tradition of terrifying parents. Reporters keep getting this one thing wrong in weed coverage. The Conservatives kick back for the press to see, while a big question arises from the Liberal convention. Chris Selley, columnist for the National Post, co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 2, 201632 min

Ep.136 - How We Investigate

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CBC Still has a bullying & harassment problem. Jesse and Jane discuss how they investigated it for their recent report, "Bullying & Harassment Claims Emerge at CBC's As It Happens, TV Sports, and HR." Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 29, 201637 min

SHORT CUTS #72 - In the Pocket of Big Opera

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Was #elbowgate overblown by the press or is it their duty to focus so much on this unusual incident whether or not people want to hear it? Do we have to take Kevin O'Leary seriously now that he's considering running for leadership of the Conservative Party?What a big opera conspiracy theory reveals about arts coverage in Canada.Author and pundit Paul Wells co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 26, 201631 min

Ep.135 - Dangerous Cartoonists

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Live from the Toronto Comic Arts Festival, cartoonists Ted Rall, Chip Zdarsky, and sculptor Rokudenashiko talk censorship, the surprisingly subversive power of cartoons, and the dying art of comics journalism.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 22, 201638 min

SHORT CUTS #71 - Duly Noted

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RCMP officers spied on journalists without authorization. Postmedia’s CEO Paul Godfrey wants the government to prop up newspapers. Sophie Gregoire Trudeau said something surprising in an interview and people went bananas. Plus, we introduce a new segment called (maybe) “Duly Noted.” If you have a better name, please tell us. Freelance journalist Omar Mouallem co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 19, 201629 min

Ep.134 - Failing Up, Pt. 2

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When it came to Canadian arts administration, Jeff Melanson was the king. Until his messy annulment papers from frozen food heiress Eleanor McCain alleged that he left more than just administrative damage in his wake from the Canadian Ballet Company, the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, and Banff Centre for the Arts. Anne Kingston dives deep into the hushed world of Canadian arts institutions.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 16, 201636 min

SHORT CUTS #70 - Fort Mac Is Still There

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The damage to Fort McMurray was devastating, but much of the city remains standing. National and international media outlets, including us, exaggerated and got stuff wrong. Vincent McDermott and Cullen Bird from Fort McMurray Today were turned to for reliable local news. They talk about the national and international coverage of the wildfire, the role of social media in getting information out and balancing the needs of locals with the curiosity of the rest of the world.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 12, 201624 min

Ep.133 - First Scandal of the Trudeau Government

Canada is making military vehicles for Saudi Arabia, despite the country's flagrant history of human rights violations. So why are the Liberals pretending this deal was inherited from the Conservatives? Steven Chase's Twitter: @StevenChase Steven Chase's April 20th Globe & Mail piece, "The Saudi arms deal: What we’ve learned so far, and what could happen next" Steven Chase's 2014 Globe & Mail piece, "Ottawa touts sale of military vehicles to Saudi Arabia"Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 9, 201638 min

SHORT CUTS #69 - Fort Mac is Gone

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Fort McMurray has been devastated by fire. Jesse and BuzzFeed Canada's Paul McLeod look at the conversation that's followed. VICE was given exlusive access to Justin Trudeau on his visit to Shoal Lake 40. Other media, including Aboriginal People's Television Network, were barred. Paul's Twitter: @pdmcleod Sponsors: ShipStation / FreshBooksSupport CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 5, 201625 min

Ep.132 - Andrew Loku, Desmond Cole & Black Lives Matter

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For the past year, Desmond Cole has been the media's go-to guywhenever a story about black Canadians would come up. Now, hediscusses what's to come after hosting COMMONS.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 2, 201643 min

SHORT CUTS #68 - Wente/Duffy/Ghomeshi Fatigue

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Margaret Wente is still employed bythe Globe and Mail, despite being a serialplagiarist. The attention on Senator MikeDuffy’s trial distracted from the fact that we still don’t have agood idea of what happened. We're in a similar situation withJian Ghomeshi, whose accusers continue to step forward. The National Post’s Jen Gersonco-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 28, 201632 min

Ep.131 - Newfoundland Is Screwed

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In Newfoundland and Labrador, massive numbers of workers are getting laid off. Taxes are skyrocketing. The oil industry is collapsing. Meanwhile, journalist James McLeod has independently published a Sunshine List that exposes just how cosy the province really is. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 25, 201630 min

SHORT CUTS #67 - Quantum Leap Manifesto

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Co-host Lezlie Lowe quit her columnist job at the Chronicle Herald because of the paper's shoddy reporting alleging refugee violence in a schoolyard.Trudeau goes viral with his quantum computing explanation.With the Leap Manifesto, Canada's pundits have taken a sudden interest in giving advice to the NDP.Lezlie's Twitter: @lezlieloweSupport CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 21, 201625 min

Ep.130 - Trial By Media, Media On Trial

What happens when three lawyers try to argue with Jesse Brown? Former trial lawyer Sandy Garossino, criminal defence counsel Michael Spratt, and federal prosecutor Emilie Taman talk about how the media should really report about the courts. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 18, 201647 min

SHORT CUTS #66 - How the CBC Bungled the Panama Papers

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The CBC messed up the Panama Papers. The Liberals turn out to be behind the Saudi arms deal and Global Affairs goes on damage control. The Chronicle Herald, with its staff on strike, publishes a shoddy story about menacing child refugees. The media looks at the Attawapiskat suicide crisis. BuzzFeed Canada's social news editor Ishmael Daro co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 14, 201634 min

Ep.129 - Spy Stuff

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Freelance journalist Matt Braga joins Jesse to talk about spy stuff - the Panama Papers, CSIS, C-51, and Ben Makuch's ongoing battle with the RCMP. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 11, 201641 min

SHORT CUTS #65 - A Financial Column for Supervillains

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Guest host Scaachi Koul is joined by Islamic Monthly's Davide Mastracci.The Financial Post thinks the release of the Panama Papers is overblown, but has advice if your offshore tax haven is outed.The Walrus's Jonathan Kay makes the case that the Left is the enemy of the poor.And Davide recounts how a piece he wrote led to Toronto Star's Heather Mallick calling herself "practically transgender" when it comes of race.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 7, 201626 min

Ep.128 - The Ethnic Aisle

The Ethnic Aisle is a crowdfunded digital magazine tackling issues of multiculturalism, diversity, and race in Toronto and the GTA. Chantal Braganza is the managing editor at The Ethnic Aisle and a digital media producer at TVO. Guest hosted by Scaachi Koul, senior writer at Buzzfeed Canada.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 4, 201626 min

SHORT CUTS #64 - The Ghomeshi Ruling

Anne Kington, author and senior writer at Maclean's, co-hosts.Anne and Jesse talk about the Ghomeshi verdict, the judge's ruling and the way the press handled it.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 30, 201628 min

Ep.127 - The Imposter

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Meet Chandler Levack, the host of The Imposter, CANADALAND's new arts & culture show, which debuts on Wednesday April 27th.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 27, 201630 min

SHORT CUTS #63 - Why I Miss Rob Ford

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Author and Esquire columnist Stephen Marche co-hosts. CBC is getting rid of anonymous comments. The public broadcaster is also getting a bunch of money back, but they’re short on commitments to re-invest in news. Stephen and Jesse look at Rob Ford's media legacy and the response to his death. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 24, 201629 min

Ep. 126 - Failing Up

Jeff Melanson was the Canadian arts & culture institution's golden boy, dubbed a "rock star arts administrator," feted by the press, and offered prestigious positions at Canada's top art institutions. Until he made a royal mess during his truncated presidency at the Banff Centre. How was he allowed to get away with it for so long, and why was he rewarded for failing so hard?David Silcox was the Globe & Mail's art critic, president of Sotheby's Canada, Arts Officer of the Canada Council, and author of several books about Canadian art.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 20, 201629 min

SHORT CUTS #62 - Lend Me Ten Bucks to Buy a National Newspaper Chain?

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Postmedia is for sale. Toronto Star's publisher John Cruikshank is stepping down. The CBC is getting a bunch of money and no one knows how they'll spend it. The National Post's Jen Gerson co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 17, 201626 min

Ep.125 - House Horny

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The media is fuelling our real estate obsession and Garth Turner, ex-Conservative MP turned real estate blogger, is pouring cold water on us.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 13, 201634 min

SHORT CUTS #61 - Rap Amnesty for Wab Kinew

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As Wab Kinew campaigns in Manitoba, the media has seized on his misogynistic rap lyrics from the past. A reporter for The Rebel claims she was doused in pee and the story only gets stupider the closer you look. And have we reached peak Justin Trudeau?The National Post's Ashley Csanady co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 10, 201629 min

Ep. 124 - Second Class Journalists

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Should journalists have control over what other journalists have access to? Allison Smith is the publisher of Queen's Park Today, a daily news website that reports on Ontario politics. For the last four years, the Queen's Park Press Gallery - a group of journalists - has denied her membership on the grounds that her online news service isn't real. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 7, 201634 min

SHORT CUTS #60 - Trump Refugees Stay Home

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Americans are threatening to come to Canada if Trump becomes president. And the Canadian media is reporting on the American media checking us out. Vice reporter Ben Makuch is in court, trying to keep his notes away from the RCMP. Vice is going to cable with VICELAND. The skinny basic packages offered by cable companies are awful.Buzzfeed Canada's Ishmael Daro co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 3, 201628 min

Ep. 123 - The Unsolved Murders of Halifax

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Dozens of women and girls have been murdered in the Halifax area over the past few decades. Tim Bousquet is capturing it all on his independent news site, the Halifax Examiner. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 29, 201629 min

SHORT CUTS #59 - LOOKING FOR NON-WHITE NON-MEN

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BuzzFeed's Scaachi Koul solicited essays from women and people of colour, inciting internet rage that drove her off Twitter. A government arts agency refuses to tell the public where their money is going. And should CTV have reported on Patrick Brazeau's suicide attempt? Jeet Heer, senior editor the New Republic, co-hosts. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 25, 201629 min

Ep.122 - The Dismantling of Claude Jutra

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Is it ok for an anonymous sexual assault complaint to destroy the reputation a beloved cultural hero?Trigger warning: this episode contains subject matter that deals with allegations of child abuse. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 21, 201630 min

SHORT CUTS #58 - Poondits

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Music critic Chandler Levack co-hosts. Journalists from The Rebel were kicked out of the Alberta legislature.The Grammys are over and everyone wants you to know which Canadians won. Statistics say way less people are consuming news.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 18, 201628 min

Ep.121 - Glen McGregor

Glen McGregor just left the Ottawa Citizen (along with 14 others) after breaking many major political stories of the last few years. So what's next for him, for the Citizen, and for print journalism in Canada's capital?Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 14, 201639 min

SHORT CUTS #57 - #Ghomeshi: The Eggs Awaken

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Jen Gerson of the National Post co-hosts.Jen and Jesse talk about why Canadian media has so many boots on the ground to report on U.S. politics. Why we can't leave American coverage to Americans?As the Ghomeshi trial continues, reporters make mistakes in court and the Twitter eggs come out in full force. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 11, 201631 min

Ep.120 - Indigenous Media Roundtable

Most Canadians don't hear about the stories Indigenous peoples tell within their communities. Mainstream media only covers the most tragic events affecting Indigenous communities — if it chooses to cover them at all. Now, alternative digital platforms have created an opportunity for these stories to travel outside the communities they are about. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 8, 201641 min

SHORT CUTS #56 - Notes on the Ghomeshi Trial

NOT SORRY writer Vicky Mochama co-hosts. Vicky and Jesse talk about the reporting in the first week of Jian Ghomeshi’s sexual assault trial. Journalists fail to understand Vicky's satire. Jesse recounts how he embarrassed himself in an exchange with Peter Mansbridge.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Feb 4, 201630 min

Ep.119 - More Trouble at The Walrus

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When Ken Alexander co-founded the Walrus in 2003, he wanted it to be a left-leaning literary magazine that also functioned as an educational charity. Now he says The Walrus has lost its way, strayed from its editorial mandate, abused its staff and violated its charitable obligations. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 31, 201636 min

SHORT CUTS #55 - Gregory Alan Elliott and the Future of Being Awful Online

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BuzzFeed’s Scaachi Koul returns to yell at Jesse. Today's topics: Postmedia CEO Paul Godfrey and Torstar Chair John Honderich use their platforms to insult each other. Toronto police officer James Forcillo is found guilty of the attempted murder of Sammy Yatim. Gregory Alan Elliott is found not guilty of criminally harassing Stephanie Guthrie and Heather Reilly on Twitter.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 27, 201632 min

Ep.118 - The Collapse of Postmedia

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Last week, Postmedia laid off 90 journalists from newsrooms across Canada, months after absorbing the Sun newspaper chain. What if a slow, painful death was the plan all along? The National Observer's Bruce Livesey weighs in on the implosion of Postmedia.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 25, 201633 min

SHORT CUTS #54 - Canada is Hip and Sophie Trudeau is a Disney Princess

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The New York Times declares Canada is hip, while the Prime Minister's wife breaks into song. Three men are cast into suspicion by the press for taking video at a mall. Job losses continue at Postmedia after President and CEO Paul Godfrey emails the wrong guy about a secret meeting. Omar Mouallem returns as co-host.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 21, 201623 min

Ep. 117 - State of the Unions

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Do media unions protect journalists at the expense of journalism? Do they make it impossible for struggling news orgs to survive? Do they protect older workers at the expense of the younger generation? Nora Loreto, author and union activist, talks about what place organized labour might have in today's media. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 17, 201643 min

SHORT CUTS #53 - Peacekeeper Arms Deal

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Postmedia plans cuts as their advertising plummets. The CBC's James Cudmore joins the Department of National Defence after reporting on leaks from that same department. And are we having the right conversations about Canada's arms deal with Saudi Arabia? National Post's Jen Gerson co-hosts.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 14, 201624 min

Ep.116 - Is The News Biz a Lost Cause?

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Do Canada's legacy news orgs have digital strategies? Do they make any sense? Is profitability online even possible? Three of today's panelists held top digital jobs at Canadian news orgs. Chris Tindal was the director of Project Development at Postmedia (now he's at Buzzfeed.) Tessa Sproule was the CBC's Director of Digital (now she's at Vubble, her startup.) Craig Saila was the head of digital design at the Globe and Mail. Our fourth panelist is Joshua Benton, Director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard. Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 11, 201644 min

SHORT CUTS #52 - Refugee Happy Smiles A-Ok!

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The Trudeau government failed to hit the refugee targets promised during the election campaign, but maybe Canadians would rather just feel nice about ourselves again. Elsewhere, reporters are using cringeworthy semi-nude photos and salacious language to accompany stories on sex abuse. Buzzfeed's Lauren Strapagiel schools Jesse with magical results.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 6, 201630 min

Ep.115 - The Unbundling

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It's a brutal time for the Canadian television industry and it's about to get worse. After March 1st, the CRTC is forcing television cable providers to offer consumers a "skinny basic" package capped at $25 or less. By the end of 2016, all specialty channels will be offered on a "pick and pay" basis. This new structure threatens to eliminate niche channels that have been supported by the bundling system, and in turn, will impact the amount of money spent on CANCON. VMedia Executive George Burger discusses the shifting landscape of Canadian television - from the internet, to cable and beyond.Support CANADALAND: https://canadaland.com/joinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jan 4, 201637 min