Business of Home Podcast

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including Wayfair’s latest numbers, a new tech tool for showrooms, and a critique of the blandness of Zillow. Later, lighting designer Lindsey Adelman joins the show to talk about a major change at her studio.This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.LINKSLindsey AdelmanBusiness of Home

Based in Nashville, Stephanie Sabbe is a celebrated interior designer, and the owner of the home goods shop Heirloom Artifacts. But on top of the artful homes she crafts for clients, Sabbe is beloved by the design industry for her humor and her truthtelling—most of which are done on her must-follow Instagram account. Now she’s bringing her unique voice to a new book, Interiors of a Storyteller. On this episode of the podcast Sabbe speaks with host Dennis Scully about why the book is really a memoir dressed up as a design monograph, how runaway costs are changing the industry, and why a dollhouse posted to social media got her more clients than projects in magazines.This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory ChairLINKSSabbe Interior DesignInteriors of a StorytellerDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including Houzz’s State of the Industry report, all the latest hires, and how designers feel about "dopamine decor." Later, Cyrus Loloi joins the show to discuss the thinking behind the launch of Loloi's new DTC sister brand, Joon Loloi.This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.LINKSJoon LoloiBusiness of Home

Like many direct-to-consumer companies, Benchmade Modern takes out ads on Instagram and sells its sofas online. But unlike most of its competitors, the company is based out of a US manufacturing group—Artisant Lane, the owner of Lee Industries and American Leather. President Dan Campbell is also an unlikely DTC leader—he’s not a silicon valley entrepreneur, but a 17-year veteran of Holly Hunt. On this episode of the podcast, Campbell speaks with host Dennis Scully about how the lessons he learned from the trade apply to the direct-to-consumer world, why gray sofas are over, and why customers care more about design than lead times.This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory ChairLINKSBenchmade ModernDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest round of Trump tariffs, the microtrends that are here to stay, and what designers really want from trade programs. Later, columnist Warren Shoulberg joins the show to discuss the mood in home retail. This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.LINKSBusiness of Home

After an idyllic childhood in Puerto Rico, Benjamin Noriega-Ortiz was set to pursue higher study in math—instead, he chose architecture, and found himself working for legendary New York designer John Saladino. After setting up his own firm in the 1990s, Noriega-Ortiz built a legend of his own, designing boutique hotels for Ian Schrager and homes for celebrities like Lenny Kravitz.On this episode of the podcast, Noriega-Ortiz speaks with host Dennis Scully about learning to design like a painter, how he trains architects to think like designers, and why he writes a story for every project—but doesn’t always tell the client.This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory ChairLINKSBenjamin Noriega-OrtizDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest on tariffs, Instagram going vertical, and a look at the rising trend of cannabis-related decor. Later, designer Zoë Feldman joins the show to discuss her new venture, Demi, for tackling smaller projects. This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.LINKSBusiness of Home

In an era when most designers pick a niche, Ben Pentreath is a proud generalist—his work spans everything from housing developments to private homes to a quirky retail operation, Pentreath & Hall. One of his most well-known projects is not a house but an entire village—Poundbury, a planned community in England championed by King Charles. However, Pentreath’s work for private clients is also highly celebrated, and he’s a regular on industry best-of lists. On this episode of the podcast, he speaks with host Dennis Scully about the personal tragedy that prompted him to develop a succession plan, why he takes every email inquiry seriously, and why American designers can never quite nail English style.This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory ChairLINKSBen PentreathPentreath & HallDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including some positive developments in global shipping, an update on the Charles Cohen drama, and a defense of neutral colors. Later, editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen joins the show live from Las Vegas Market to share highlights from show.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and LoloiLINKSBusiness of Home

With a history stretching back to 1875, French workshop Féau Boiseries is internationally recognized for its expertise in decorative wood paneling, whether it’s an antique from the time of Napoleon or a meticulously crafted reproduction. In the company’s showroom in the heart of Paris, host Dennis Scully speaks with owner Guillaume Féau about why French artisanship is so prized, the intriguing international market for antique paneling, and why he’s bringing Féau Boiseries to New York City. This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan AllenLINKSFéau BoiseriesDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest on the TikTok ban, LCDQ’s rebrand, and the future of home fragrances. Later, BOH managing editor Haley Chouinard joins the show to share highlights from Heimtextil, and editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen recaps Paris Déco Off.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and LoloiL.A. WILDFIRE RELIEF The Soft Landing ProjectLA Can DoWorld Central KitchenLINKSBusiness of Home

The last time she was on the podcast, interior designer Rita Konig talked about her upbringing in England, and her early career as a design columnist. Two years later, and Konig’s profile has already grown considerably—she’s now a regular on the AD100, her Create Academy course remains as popular as ever, and last year she was honored as House & Garden’s interior designer of the year. On this episode of the podcast, Konig speaks with host Dennis Scully about why she’s opening up an office in America, what’s behind the recent rise of British style, and what clients really want in a world where expensive things are increasingly common.This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan AllenLINKSRita KonigDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the acquisition of Floyd, mortgage rates on the rise, and a big debut from Material Bank. Later, designer and showroom owner Peter Dunham discusses the devastation of the Los Angeles wildfires and what they might mean for the design community there.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and LoloiL.A. WILDFIRE RELIEF The Soft Landing ProjectLA Can DoWorld Central KitchenLINKSPeter DunhamBusiness of Home

In her years as a publishing consultant, Jill Cohen was the force behind some of the industry’s best design books. Last year, she shifted over to the magazine world, taking the top job at Sandow's residential design title, Luxe.Twelve months in, and Jill is making Luxe her own with a major redesign. On this episode of the podcast, she speaks with host Dennis Scully about learning to break the magazine’s unspoken rules; her thoughts on what is and isn’t working in design media; and why she wants Luxe to be practical, productive and beautiful. This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan AllenLINKSLuxeDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including an update on the Burke Decor drama, bankruptcy for The Container Store, and a flurry of M&A deals to kick off the new year. Later, Jonathan Adler joins the show to discuss his company's recent acquisition by Consortium Brand Partners. This episode is sponsored by Kohler and LoloiLINKSJonathan AdlerBusiness of Home

Shawn Henderson cut his teeth working for established New York designers like Birch Coffey and Thad Hayes before going out on his own in the early aughts. He’s since carved out a shining career, with industry accolades, high-profile clients around the world, a monograph published by Monacelli, and his thoughtfully layered projects regularly appearing in top shelter publications.On this episode of the podcast, host Dennis Scully chats with Henderson about what being on lists like the AD100 does and doesn’t do for your career, how runaway costs have impacted the industry, and how loosening up and relaxing his style has changed his work for the better. This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan AllenLINKSShawn HendersonDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

In a special predictions episode of The Thursday Show, BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus, host Dennis Scully and a roundup of past guests offer thoughts on what the year ahead may bring.LINKSBusiness of Home

In the early days, John Derian drew attention as a decoupage artist—his pieces cleverly repurposed illustrations from the 19th century into something fresh and modern. Over the years he’s become known for being so much more: Shopkeeper, author, and purveyor of the world’s most unique Christmas ornaments. On this episode, Derian speaks with host Dennis Scully about his collaborations with everyone from Target to Stubbs & Wootton; how he’s managed to keep a sprawling operation going without an inventory and point of sale system; and why he’s never had a master plan, instead taking the growth of his business day by day, step by step.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and KlafsLINKSJohn DerianDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including layoffs at Sotheby’s, RH’s latest earnings report, and the return of colorful bathrooms. Later, editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen and retail columnist Warren Shoulberg join the show to recap 2024. This episode is sponsored by KohlerLINKSFurniture Bank NetworkBusiness of Home

Though House & Garden is a British magazine, it has become a must-read for many American designers, who flock to the publication for its storytelling and production value, its classic English style, and its focus on great homes, not celebrities. In this episode of the podcast, House & Garden editor Hatta Byng speaks with host Dennis Scully about why she’s been embracing digital platforms like TikTok and WhatsApp, why she wants the homes in her magazine to be ‘believable,’ and how House & Garden provides comfort in a time of instability.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and KlafsLINKSHouse & GardenDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the new AD100, a potential TikTok ban, and the age-old debate about who gets to call themselves a designer. Later, publisher Elizabeth Ralls joins the show to explain why she bought Atlanta Homes & Lifestyles.This episode is sponsored by KohlerLINKSAtlanta Homes & LifestylesBusiness of Home

A former buyer at the fashion chain Topshop, Frieda Gormley and her husband Javvy Royle left the corporate world behind to start a brand with a deep connection to nature. The result was a vibrant collection of patterns, and a business that looked to do good as much as it did well—Gormley and Royle have even taken the bold step of carving out a role for Mother Nature on their board of directors.On this episode of the podcast Gormley speaks with host Dennis Scully about the difficult first year that defined their business, why they implemented a four-day work week, and why they’re very cautious when it comes to growth.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and KlafsLINKSHouse of HackneyDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including RH’s largest gallery ever, layoffs at EJ Victor, and big news from Kravet. Later, the husband-and-wife team of Winn and Lindye Galloway discuss the launch of their new brand, Le Maé.This episode is sponsored by Kohler LINKSLindye GallowayLe MaéBusiness of Home

Born in Brazil, Andre Mellone’s upbringing took him from Sao Paolo to Syracuse when he moved to the U.S. to study architecture. From there, he worked for the heavyweights of high design in New York, from Robert A.M. Stern to Mark Hampton to Ferguson & Shamamian. Out on his own, Mellone has garnered buzz and media attention for his signature look, an aesthetic sometimes described as “midcentury masculine,” with a recent project for Lauren Santo Domingo landing him on Architectural Digest’s December cover.On this episode of the podcast, Mellone speaks with host Dennis Scully about the key lessons he learned working for design icons; why all designers—no matter how much they hate it—should be involved in the financial side of their business; and why design is about emotion, not perfection.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and KlafsLINKSStudio MelloneDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

The husband-and-wife team of Brooke and Steve Giannetti are nothing if not multitalented. He's architect, she's a designer, but together the two of them have done a little bit of everything: from opening a shop in small-town Tennessee to creating homes for A-List celebrities to caring for a menagerie of sheep, donkeys, goats and highland cattle on their farm, Patina Meadow. On this episode of the podcast, the Giannettis speak with host Dennis Scully about how working with animals informs both their lives and their business, how they keep clients excited over the course of a long project, and why designers should be curious about new technology—not fearful.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie SelkeLINKSPatina Home & GardenDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the debut of Amazon’s ultra-cheap marketplace, a check-in on the housing market, and how tariffs might impact the home industry. Later, designer Ken Fulk joins the show to talk about his new Southern California retail outpost.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and KlafsLINKSKen FulkBusiness of Home

An icon of Chicago’s design scene, Tom Stringer cut his teeth working for Alessandra Branca before starting his own firm in the mid 1990s. Over the decades his work has been widely featured in the shelter media, and his projects for some of America’s most notable families have taken him around the world.On this episode of the podcast, Stringer chats with host Dennis Scully about his surprising vetting process for new clients, why he gives his employees sabbaticals and executive coaching, and why he’s at his best when he’s in a little over his head.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie SelkeLINKSTom Stringer Design PartnersDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the fate of the DCOTA, rising mortgage rates, and the design industry’s next killer app. Later, Substack writers Leonora Epstein and David Michon join the show to talk about how the platform is changing design media.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and KlafsLINKSFor ScaleSchmattaBusiness of Home

Started over one hundred years ago with a single product, Hickory Chair has grown over the decades and changed hands several times, but it never left North Carolina. Out of a single facility, the company produces both upholstery and case goods using the same techniques it has for generations. On this episode of the podcast, host Dennis Scully speaks with the brand’s president Federico Contigiani about the challenges of building a brand in home; why design both is and isn’t like fashion; and why, no matter what technology brings, furniture will always be a trust business.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie SelkeLINKSHickory ChairDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including more Charles Cohen drama, changes at the top for several shelter publications, and a look at Kravet’s latest tech experiment. Later, comedian Dan Rosen joins the show to talk about his accidental career as a design critic.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and KlafsLINKSDan RosenMiddlebrow PodcastBusiness of Home

Founded in 1960, over the decades Roche Bobois has become synonymous with chic contemporary design. The first furniture brand to advertise in fashion magazines, today Roche Bobois’s hit products include the iconic Mah Jong and Bubble sofas, and hundreds of the brand’s showrooms are spread out all over the world.On this episode of the podcast, the brand’s international director Martin Gleize speaks with host Dennis Scully about why the post-COVID landscape is fraught with confusion for furniture companies, the opportunities and challenges in China, and why the biggest mistake for any brand is to try to be two things at once. This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie SelkeLINKSRoche BoboisDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including Design Manager’s new acquisitions, why Williams Sonoma is suing Dupe.com, and Amazon’s rumored $20 sofa. Later, BOH editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen joins the show to recap High Point Market.This episode is sponsored by Kohler and KlafsLINKSHigh Point MarketBusiness of Home

After an artistic childhood in San Juan, Puerto Rico, interior designer Susana Simonpietri’s early studies took her to Europe and then New York, where she went on to work for some of the industry’s biggest names. Since going out on her own in the wake of the great recession, Simonpietri has built up a team of 30, published her work widely in top shelter magazines, and brought a warm, thoughtfully edited approach to projects across the countryOn this episode of the podcast, Simonpietri speaks with host Dennis Scully about how past experiences have taught her to screen clients carefully, how she learned to hire and work with the next generation of designers, and why she’s determined to break the industry cycle of toxic workplaces. This episode is sponsored by Four Hands and SuryaLINKSChangoDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including more fallout from Hurricane Helene, a renovation boom and what a controversial celebrity home tour says about the state of design media. Later, Christina Juarez and Ben Reynaert share the story of their shoppable event, The Ticking Tent. This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Isla PorterLINKSThe Thursday Show live at High Point MarketThe Ticking TentBusiness of Home

In recent years, Ruggable’s machine washable rugs have become a bona fide hit product, but the company is anything but an overnight success. Founder Jeneva Bell’s story is an agonizing tale of false starts, setbacks and roadblocks—it took almost a decade of effort to get Ruggable off the ground. Today the company employs hundreds across three factories, and drops regular collaborations with top designers like Martyn Lawrence Bullard, Jonathan Adler and Justina Blakeney. On this episode of the podcast Bell tells host Dennis Scully about how she found the resilience to get through hard times, why reading memoirs beats looking at social media, and why there’s more to success than just hard work.This episode is sponsored by Four Hands and SuryaLINKSRuggableDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including Havenly’s newest acquisition, Banana Republic’s exit from furniture, and why Hearst’s AI deal is drawing backlash. Later, columnist Warren Shoulberg joins the show to break down the state of play in home retail. This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Isla PorterLINKSThe Thursday Show live at High Point MarketWarren ShoulbergBusiness of Home

Mark D. Sikes came to design as a second career after decades in retail, but he’s made up for lost time. In just over ten years, he’s released three best-selling books, earned a spot on the AD100, and worked for high-profile clients like Reese Witherspoon, Nancy Meyers and Dr. Jill Biden. More recently, Sikes brought his take on classic American style to Blair House, redesigning an iconic Washington residence used to host heads of state: its guest list includes everyone from Winston Churchill to Justin Trudeau.On this episode of the podcast, Sikes speaks to host Dennis Scully about why consistency has been the key to his success, the surprising strategy that helped his books take off, and why his muse is America.This episode is sponsored by Four Hands and SuryaLINKSMark D. SikesDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including a quick end to the dockworkers strike, the shuttering of an online antiques site, and a look at whether a wave of silicosis lawsuits will upend the world of engineered stone. Later, East Fork CEO Alex Matisse joins the show to talk about Helene's impact and what comes next for North Carolina. This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Isla PorterHELENE RELIEFRed Cross of North CarolinaBeLoved AshevilleLINKSEast ForkBusiness of Home

Watts dates back to the late 19th century, when three architects banded together to start a company that made fabrics and decor for both the church and residential use. Over the course of the next 150 years, Watts’ history would be intertwined with Britain’s—it produced garments worn during the coronations of Edward VII, Elizabeth II and Charles III. Today, it’s also a modern fabric and wallcoverings brand, sold to designers all over the world.On this episode of the podcast, host Dennis Scully speaks to Watts’ creative director Fiona Flint and its managing director Marie Severine de Caraman Chimay (better known as “MS”) about how the company has survived a century and a half by staying nimble, the ups and downs of doing business in America, and how they walk the line between celebrating their history and looking to the future.This episode is sponsored by Four Hands and SuryaLINKSWatts 1874Dennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including this week’s port strike, why Zillow is highlighting climate risks, and Hurricane Helene’s impact on the design community. Later, designer and author Nasozi Kakembo joins the show to talk about her book on African decor. This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Isla PorterHELENE RELIEFRed Cross of North CarolinaBeLoved AshevilleLINKSNasozi KakemboBusiness of Home

Started as a shop for bathroom hardware in the 1970s, Waterworks has grown over the decades into a $200 million kitchen and bath company with national scale. Eight years after being acquired by RH, more growth is on the horizon: RH CEO Gary Friedman has said Waterworks could one day be a billion-dollar brand. On this episode of the podcast, CEO Peter Sallick talks with host Dennis Scully about what he’s learned from Friedman, finding the balance between art and engineering, and why the biggest challenge trade brands face is simply letting consumers know they exist.This episode is sponsored by Loloi, Crypton and RoweLINKSWaterworksDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including last week’s interest rate cut, a card game for design clients, and why a growing number of brands are turning to the trade. Later, designer David Netto and architecture critic Paul Goldberger join the show to talk about their new book on iconic New York architect Rosario Candela.This episode is sponsored by Hartmann&Forbes and Chelsea HouseLINKSDavid NettoPaul GoldbergerBusiness of Home

You may not know the name Valdese Weavers, but you know their product. One of the last large-scale textile mills in America, Valdese produces fabric for everyone from retailers like Arhaus and RH to brands like Kravet and Thibaut. On this episode of the podcast, Valdese Weavers president and CEO Blake Millinor speaks with host Dennis Scully about how beige and gray took over the market; the challenges of delivering both performance and sustainability; and how Valdese has managed to thrive not by setting rigid five-year plans, but by staying loose, nimble and diversified.This episode is sponsored by Loloi, Crypton and RoweLINKSValdese WeaversDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including Asad Syrkett’s forthcoming departure from Elle Decor, RH’s latest earnings call and why millionaire renters are on the rise. Later, designer Leanne Ford joins the show to talk about her new book, The Slow Down.This episode is sponsored by Hartmann&Forbes and Chelsea HouseLINKSLeanne FordBusiness of Home

By day, Peter Dunham runs a busy design firm, but he’s also the owner of one of LA’s most notable showrooms—Hollywood at Home. The last time Dunham was on the podcast, he was navigating the confusions of Covid. Now he’s going bicoastal and opening a new showroom in New York under his own name.On this episode of the show he speaks with host Dennis Scully about the differences between design culture in New York and Los Angeles, why textiles are like lipstick, and how he knew he was finally ready to expand.This episode is sponsored by Loloi, Crypton and RoweLINKSPeter DunhamPeter Dunham Home & GardenDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including more challenges for furniture brands, whether the American dream still includes a house with a white picket fence, and a look at how paint colors get their names. Later, Tori Mellott joins the show to talk about her new book, Southern Interiors. This episode is sponsored by Hartmann&Forbes and Chelsea HouseLINKSTori MellottBusiness of Home

A veteran of the hospitality world, Nicole Hollis was part of the team that developed the W Hotels before going out on her own and pivoting to residential work. Over the course of two decades, Hollis built up an impressive firm, with a team of nearly 100 working out of her San Francisco office. Hollis herself has won numerous accolades for her work, including regular appearances on both Elle Decor’s A-List and the AD100. On this episode of the podcast she speaks with host Dennis Scully about how she built a big firm, step by step; why residential projects are more lucrative for her firm than commercial work; and why so much of her work with clients is about communicating the most information in the least amount of time possible.This episode is sponsored by Loloi and RoweLINKSNicole HollisArtistry of HomeDennis ScullyBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the ongoing controversy over quartz countertops, why college students are embracing luxury design for their dorms, and how brown became the color of wealth. Later, stylist Mieke ten Have joins the show to talk about her new book. This episode is sponsored by Hartmann&Forbes and Chelsea HouseLINKSMitchell Owens fundraiserMieke ten HaveBusiness of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including Kaiyo’s abrupt closure, Ikea’s new secondhand marketplace, and a look at why Crypton is suing Williams Sonoma. Later, New York Times real estate reporter Debra Kamin joins the show to explore how a massive legal ruling has reshaped the way homes are bought and sold.This episode is sponsored by SuryaLINKSMitchell Owens fundraiserDebra KaminBusiness of Home

A luxury resort tucked away in the foothills of Tennessee’s smoky mountains, Blackberry Farm defies easy categorization. Spread across thousands of acres, it encompasses everything from world class restaurants and spas to a fly fishing program, equestrian facility, farmstead and larder. Blackberry Farm also boasts a surprisingly robust design department, perhaps part of the reason why it has become a favorite getaway for luminaries in our industry. On this episode, proprietor Mary Celeste Beall speaks with host Dennis Scully about balancing different goals for different parts of the business, why it sometimes makes sense to spend on illogical investments, and the story of tragedy and resilience in her own life that underpins all of her work at Blackberry Farm.This episode is sponsored by LoloiLINKSMary Celeste BeallBlackberry FarmDennis ScullyBusiness of Home