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On this episode of the podcast, Deana talks with Amanda Tuminelli of the DeFi Education Fund. They talk about the recent regulatory and policy news around crypto in the US, what values and principles should be present in crypto policy more generally, and how crypto has entered the political realm. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

On this episode of the podcast, Deana and Natasha talk with financial educator and author, Kyla Scanlon. They talk about the importance of learning economic basics, how to make it not boring, and discuss concepts like the Vibesession, the "Abundance Agenda", financial nihilism and more. Order In This Economy, here! Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

On this episode of the podcast, Deana briefs Natasha on the celebrity memecoin news, including Caitlyn Jenner and Izzy Azalea's projects. They also cover Sahil Arora, known scammer, and his role in the celeb launches. Then, they talk about personal feelings about money, and the tradeoffs that come with being a startup founder. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and discuss their personal feelings about their lives and careers. In this episode, Deana briefs Natasha on the AI news from the week, including the Sam Altman and Scarlett Johansson dispute, Suno's $150M raise, Humane's potential sale, and Meta's new AI board. Then, they talk about bad behavior in the tech industry, how to navigate it as women, and what they hope Boys Club can be. Show Links: YouTube of Scarlett Johansson's statement on OpenAI's illegal usage of her voice read by the Sky AI voice Meta's new AI Board Article Problematic AI Industry Thread 1 Problematic AI Industry Thread 2 Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here!

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss their personal feelings about their lives and careers. On this episode, Deana briefs Natasha on the AI news from the week, including OpenAI's GPT-4o announcement and Google's I/O developer conference. Then, Natasha shares her feelings about creativity, scarcity, and competition. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here!

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. On this week's episode, they talk with Matthew Howells-Barby, VP of Growth at Kraken. This is a 101-level conversation for anyone curious about Ordinals and Runes Then they talk about their feelings as it relates to working in crypto. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here!

Fill out our super short survey to give your feedback! On this episode of the podcast, Natasha and Deana talk about THE NET GALA and how the event went down. Then, they talk about reaching new audiences, and if that is possible with the current format of the show. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

On this episode of the podcast, Natasha and Deana sit down with Smokey the Bera, co-founder of Berachain, to talk about what makes their Layer 1 blockchain unique. Then, they talk about feelings surrouding phone and internet addiction, and how it affects their sense of self. 22:35 - Feelings check in Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In this episode of Crypto: The Game Companion Podcast, we invited founder Dylan Abruscato to talk us through the Season 2 finish, and what's next for Crypto: The Game. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Podcast presented by Lens. Follow @BoysClub, @Deana and @Natasha on Lens.

On Boys Club Interviews, Natasha and Deana sit down with Jonny Mack of Hypersub to talk about creators, subscriptions and NFTs. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In this episode of Crypto: The Game Companion Podcast, we invited finalists to send us voice memos to canvass for jury votes. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Podcast presented by Lens. Follow @BoysClub, @Deana and @Natasha on Lens.

In this episode of Crypto: The Game Companion Podcast, we delve into final elimination round drama with special co-host Jay Hinz and Uniswap immunity challenge winner Mathijs. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Podcast presented by Lens. Follow @BoysClub, @Deana and @Natasha on Lens.

In this episode of Crypto: The Game Companion Podcast, we delve into "Hit Lists" and telegram chaos as we discuss The Merge. We're joined by The Foundation, who shares insights on their strategies and desire to buy a Cybertruck. And 3LAU also comes on to shares insider details on CTG music. SEND IN TIPS: TIPLINE Post of the day 1 Post of the day 2 Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Podcast presented by Lens. Follow @BoysClub, @Deana and @Natasha on Lens.

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On this week's Feelings Check-In episode, they talk with journalist and media mogul Kara Swisher. Her third book, Burn Book, is out now. Then, Natasha and Deana do draft tweets. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

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In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. On this week's episode, they talk with Robby Greenfield, founder of Umoja Labs, about the Bitcoin halving, how inflation works, global dependency on the dollar, ETH ETF and much more. Then, Natasha and Deana overshare on feelings about business growth. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week, broadcasting live from Seoul! On this week's episode, they talk with the GD Kim the COO of UNOPND, to dish on how blockchain is shaking up the K-pop scene. They talk fan-driven decisions, transparent voting, and even owning a piece of you K-pop IP. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

On this week's episode, Deana brings on Stefen Deleveaux to discuss a developing story involving two employees of Binance who were detained in Nigeria. And then Deana and Natasha give an update on the latest news from this story, including tax evasion charges filed by the Nigerian government. Links: 0xKofi thread Premium Times Reporting Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. On this week's episode, they talk with the Founder and Chief Strategy Officer from Eigenlayer, Sreeram Kannan and Calvin Liu. This is a 101 level conversation for anyone who is curious about the Eigenlayer ecosystem. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. On this week's episode, they debriefed their first ever conference /brandnew. Talking programming, learnings, freak-outs, and of course feelings. All programming from /brandnew will be released on youtube and avaliable to mint on Zora starting next week. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. On this week's episode, they talk with digital asset investor Meltem Demirors about memecoins. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. On this week's episode, they debriefed on the annual ETHDenver conference. Talking trends, market sentiments, insights and of course feelings. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Check out our other podcast Too Online, find it on spotify and/or apple.

BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. This week Deana and Natasha talk to a16zcrypto Managing Partner Chris Dixon about Read, Write, Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. This week they talk about the new text-to-video release from OpenAI called Sora, the magic of the technology and also the potential implications. Then in the feelings check-in, they talk about the incredible gift of having your name being spoken in rooms that you are not in, and how they want that to be a core value of the Boys Club community. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. Dylan Abruscato, co-founder of Crypto The Game, joins to talk about the whirlwind week he's had as the main character of Crypto Twitter, ahead of today's game finale where one lucky winner will take home 41 ETH. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. Dan Romero, co-founder of Farcaster, joins to talk about decentralized social media, creators, community-building and his feelings on being a founder. After that, Deana and Natasha talk about their experience so far in playing Crypto The Game. Note that there has been a development in the bot story, seen here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

Too Online is moving to a new feed! Subscribe here. Welcome to Too Online, frontline reporting on unserious internet news. On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack a two internet stories from the week with special guest Mariquita Philippa de Boissière aka Gwei Stefani. Links in order of appearance: MinGob Bolivia - applying for a passport MinGob Bolivia - Chapare Hillary - original Kenough tweet Hillary - original Kenough instagram post Hillary - the anchor's take, Bad Place, Margot visiting Wisconsin Hillary - kitchen Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Details and tickets on /brandnew here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. First, Ophelia Snyder Co-Founder and President of 21.co, joins to explain WTF is happening with BTC price and the state of the union around the bitcoin ETFs in the US. After that, Deana and Natasha talk about their feelings surrounding putting yourself out there, what needs to happen for Boys Club to take off, and learning to be post-shame. Draft tweets to close out the show. Funny salad tiktok here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

Too Online is moving to a new feed! Subscribe here. Welcome to Too Online, frontline reporting on unserious internet news. On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack a few internet stories from the week. Links in order of appearance: Ballerina Farm Ballerina Farm Website Fish Fraud Rat Hole Origin Tweet NYTimes Story on Rat Hole Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Details and tickets on /brandnew here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

Too Online is moving to a new feed! Subscribe here. Welcome to Too Online, frontline reporting on unserious internet news. On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack a few internet stories from the week. Links in order of appearance: Reformation x Northwest_MCM_Wholesale Josh Wine Best Of Today Show on Josh Wine Kayla Trivieri stuns in a NYPost Mob Wife Photoshoot Nick Susi's original "Trend Laundering" Tweet Bratz Doll Smoking Gun TikTok Video Viral Silver Springs Performance Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. On this week's episode, they talk about the music NFT community drama, including the Flyana Boss scrapped drop on Sound.xyz, and had a conversation about where we go from here. Then, Natasha and Deana talk about the feeling of making a bet on crypto, and the asymmetric upside that could result. Ladidai on X VÉRITÉ thread Flyana Boss apology Dauda thread Jesse Grushak thread "The Internet Is About To Get Weird Again" by Anil Dash on RollingStone.com Too Online is on a new feed, check it on spotify and/or apple. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

Too Online is moving to a new feed! Subscribe below! Spotify On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack three internet stories from the week. Links in order of appearance: Christopher Nolan viral acceptance speech Peloton roast video Tenet Powerpoint Thread Urn Guy Video Bass Pro Shop Guy - Wife Parody Video Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

On this emergency episode, Deana and Natasha unpacks how the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has pulled off the most unintentional comedy masterpiece of all time. Join them as they navigate the chaos, dissect the fallout, and share thoughts on how this bizarre turn of events might impact the crypto space. Our favorite tweets from this drama here. Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. BIG NEWS! Boys Club is throwing our first-ever conference called /brandnew. Learn more and buy tickets here. Limited tickets available. First, Deana updates Natasha on the latest with the Bitcoin ETF applications and Crypto Twitter's obsession with the apps. She also gives a briefing on why OpenAI is suing the NYTimes. After that, Deana and Natasha talk about their feelings surrounding crypto and the hard work of being a bridge builder between the crypto industry and other verticals. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack two internet stories from their week, and share quick feelings on their work and lives, reflecting on a long year and what is wanted to preserve mental health in 2024. Links in order of appearance: Paul Mescal Runs Sephora Reddit Thread on Spiders Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

Natasha and Deana interviewed tech entreprenuer and Blueprint Protocol founder Bryan Johnson. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Covered in this episode: Bryan's backstory, why he created the Blueprint Protocol and is living what many consider to be an extreme lifestyle. The core tenents of the Blueprint Protocol. Blueprint Protocol criticisms, including it's inaccessibility and individuality to Bryan's needs. Bryan's media strategy, and the rationale behind his provocative online persona. Blueprint Protocol's potential impact on society and his future vision. The importance of longevity in an AI-driven world.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. First, Seraphim joins Natasha and Deana to talk about offchain "points" as a growth and engagement mechanism for crypto projects. After that, Deana and Natasha talk about the feelings surrounding the launch of Zine, edition 02. Check out the digital version of the Zine here. Thanks to our Zine Edition 02 partners LUKSO, a16z crypto & Read, Write, Own by Chris Dixon, Console, Leather & Serotonin. Plus, big thanks to the team to YEARROUND for their support on our launch party.

Natasha and Deana fangirl over having Mindy Seu on the podcast. She's a designer, technologist, educator, a professor at Rutgers University, a Critic at the Yale School of Art and the author of The Cyberfeminism Index. In this episode, they delve into the multifaceted world of cyberfeminism. She shares her insights and experiences in creating her book, a comprehensive resource that chronicles three decades of net art and online activism. Key Highlights: The Genesis and Impact of the Cyberfeminism Index: Mindy Seu discusses the origin and evolution of The Cyberfeminism Index, highlighting its role as a pseudo-encyclopedia that encompasses a wide array of online activism and net art. The index serves as a dynamic and inclusive resource, reflecting the diverse and evolving nature of cyber feminism through various media types like net art, computational poetry, and manifestos. Role of Archiving in Feminism and Digital Culture: Mindy shares her perspective on archiving in the context of feminism and digital activism, identifying herself as an "archival enthusiast" rather than a traditional archivist. The conversation explores how The Cyberfeminism Index serves as a crucial tool for preserving and highlighting the extensive history of digital feminist movements. Navigating Feminism in the Digital Age and Emerging Technologies: The episode delves into the intersections of feminism with contemporary technologies, including AI and Web3. Mindy discusses the challenges and potentials of these technological advancements from a feminist viewpoint, offering historical context and considering future implications. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. Buy The Cyberfeminism Index Check out the online version of The Cyberfeminism Index Follow Mindy Seu on Instagram

Natasha and Deana have on two big brain dudes, Reggie James and Ruby Justice Thelot, to give a 101 overview of the e/acc movement. In this interview they cover: 1. Exploring Effective Accelerationism (e/acc) Origins: Effective Accelerationism is a modern philosophy stemming from accelerationism. They discuss the origins of accelerationism at the University of Warwick by key figures like Nick Land, Sadie Plant, Mark Fisher, and others, focusing on their study of technology's impact on the world and the resulting cultural analysis. 2. Capitalism and Technological Impact: A significant part of the discussion revolves around the idea that capitalism, particularly techno-capitalism, is evolving faster than human comprehension. This concept is rooted in Karl Marx's theories and explores how accelerationism proposes hastening capitalism to its paradoxical end. 3. Silicon Valley's Adoption of e/acc: They examine how Silicon Valley has transformed and adopted e/acc, shifting it from an academic concept to a more commodified and popular idea. Marc Andreessen's 'The Techno-Optimist Manifesto' is also discussed. 4. e/acc's Political and Societal Implications: They explore the broader implications of e/acc in politics and society, how technology and e/acc principles intersect with various political ideologies and their potential impact on future governance and societal norms. 5. Critiques and Ethical Considerations in e/acc: The conversation also addresses criticisms of e/acc, including concerns about its ethical implications and the distribution of technological benefits. It challenges listeners to think critically about their vision of a utopian future shaped by technology and accelerationism. Follow Reggie James Follow Ruby Justice Thelot Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack three internet stories from their week. Links in order of appearance: Why Stablecoins Matter More Than Ever, Parker Jay-Pachirat Queer Spotify Wrapped Elon Musk at Dealbook Summit Elon on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire The Demi-Method and whistleblower video Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

In the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha share some news from the week and then discuss personal feelings about their lives and careers. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone. First, David Hoffman, co-host of the Bankless podcast, joins the discussion to delve into the current state of the crypto market. He shares his takes on the next bull market, the significance of the Bitcoin ETF, and the evolving trends in the industry. Plus, a mini Feelings Check-In with David on navigating criticism and drama. After that, Deana and Natasha talk about the tension of balancing career ambition and having kids.

In the first half of the Feelings Check-In, Deana and Natasha unpack a tech news story from the week and then spill on some personal feelings about their life and work. This week they hosted an emergency pod in the aftermath of a wild weekend for Sam Altman, OpenAI, and the entire tech industry. Drama, baby! Then, Deana shares some personal feelings following a tweet blunder in the Sunday Newsletter that sent her spiraling, questioning whether she's cut out to work in media. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

On this episode, Deana and Natasha unpack four internet stories from their week. They go from Andy Cohen conspiracy to mining for your mental health. Links in order of appearance: John Mayer and Andy Cohen conspiracy Brazilian Swiftie Fandom DaFuq Boom // Skibidi Toilet Engineer.Everything Send in your own internet story findings. Email [email protected] or DM Deana here and Natasha here. Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.

This is a special, commemorative edition of the podcast, celebrating 100ish episodes of Boys Club. This episode features the most lovely, kindest and warmest voice memos from across the community sharing Boys Club memories and favorite moments, and probably is best suited for long-time listeners or community members. If you're new here, start with episode 101 to get a feel for things before diving in to this episode! Subscribe to the Boys Club newsletter here! Boys Club is proudly supported by Kraken. Kraken is a crypto exchange for everyone.