Between Two Pines

The boys finally landed the big one: runner, podcaster, author, and the most positive person in the world, Sally McRae. Choose strong and endure this delightful chat with the Yellow Runner herself. She debuts her new business venture: Horse Tongs Co. Plus, Dom and Andy plead you to stop DMing them (and their bosses) with your dumb running challenges.

Well, it's 2026, and the year is off to its dumbest start yet. That's why the boys dragged Jamil Coury of Arid Viper Running back between the pines this month to talk about the global terror that is Burrito League. They also discuss their resolutions for the year as well as address the swirling scandal around the Hardrock lottery.

Dom and guest host Rachel Entrekin kick off the holidays by sorting ultra runners into naughty and nice — because taking your family to an exotic location is great, but not mentioning you're racing and they're crewing is a different vibe entirely. They also run through the gifts no trail runner wants to unwrap, from anti-chafe sticks laced with capsaicin to a lovingly framed photo of you mid-bonk. Then it's time for Lucy Bartholomew, Australian ultrarunning star and the fastest person to complete both the Ironman World Championships and UTMB in a single season. Lucy explains why Aussie Santa wears budgie smugglers, ranks Australian insults from "goose" to "muppet," and reveals that telling ultra runners you kind of like triathlon is harder than telling triathletes that 100-milers are actually worse. The episode wraps with an international slang showdown where Lucy decodes Southern phrases like "cattywampus" while Dom and Rachel butcher "hard yakka." Merry Christmas, you flaming galahs.

Andy's off somewhere being Andy, so Rachel Entreken steps in to co-host alongside Dom for an episode that somehow manages to be both deeply philosophical and entirely unhinged. First up, Dom and Rachel power through the definitive list of ultrarunning superlatives, covering everything from best hair (Rajpal Pannu and Tim Tollefson, obviously) to who's secretly working for the government. It's chaotic, it's festive, it's mile 90 of 2025 and they're just trying to get to the finish. Then, Kilian Korth, (not that Kilian), the American one who grew up in England, dresses like an ultrarunning Ken doll, and almost became a politician before realizing he didn't hate himself enough for the job. He talks green jeans, Barbie Halloween costumes, and the glamorous realities of ruining your pants mid-race.

Ever wonder what ultrarunning, standup comedy, and autistim have in common? Then you'll love this interview with standup comedian Dan Lamorte about his journey from 354 pounds to ultrarunner and more. Plus, for Halloween, the boys count down the scariest things you'll ever see at an ultra. And they dissect David Roche's decision to give away his golden ticket. Get 20% off Fast Pickle juice shots with code BetweenTwoPickles20 at https://fastpickle.com/s/d69c6b. And check out Tantrum packs at http://tantrums.run.

Andy's out running 100 miles, so Dom brings in Rachel Entrekin to co-pilot this month's episode. Together they spiral through a truly unhinged game of "Would You Rather," debating if espresso + Benadryl is a performance enhancer, and why 13,200 Bottles of Beer on the Wall might be the ultimate race soundtrack. Then Jimmy Elam drops by to talk about popping his 200-mile cherry at the Mammoth, haunted belt buckles, and his strategies for mid-run pee breaks. Along the way, we cover mystery pacers, bad juju, and the eternal question: is this all training, or just a really weird kink? Big thanks to Tantrums hydration packs: engineered to haul fluids, fuel, and the consequences of your choices.

Take our listener survey! Dom and Andy are back with a mind-bending, occasionally stomach-turning episode of Between Two Pines. Dom recounts his very pukey Angeles Crest 100 experience (complete with landscape-mode vomit footage), while Andy reflects on the etiquette of awkward road-path drafting and the fine legal distinctions of fart assault. Then, the guys welcome ultrarunning phenom Rachel Entrekin, fresh off her 18-race winning streak and course-record run at Cocodona 250. Rachel talks training secrets, fueling mishaps, PT superpowers, and why running might just be her way of filling the void. Along the way, the conversation veers into Yelp reviews of trail poops, the Hunter S. Thompson 50-miler, racing turtles (vs. bears), and whether Rachel might one day join the French contingent at Hardrock. Thanks to our sponsors, Janji and Dirtbag Bar!

The Boys are back, and going head to head with Joe Corcione of the Everyday Ultra podcast in an audio Thunderdome to the death. Dom and Andy do something they've never done before, rip open the listener mailbag and read your letters live on air. From a runner overcoming cancer to toe-losing ultra veterans, to one very mysterious "K. Scheid" who may or may not be transforming into a goat, it's all here. Then, they dive into a meta-analysis of the Western States live coverage, breaking down what worked, what didn't, and why Corinne Malcolm might be the MVP of endurance sports commentary.

Don't let the title fool you, Max Jolliffe doesn't want to be the king of anything. But the boy sit down with him between the pines this month anyway. Plus, they regale with stories of Utah 115 and preview all the people who will not be running Western States this year. Thanks to Dirtbag Bar and Janji for sponsoring Between two Pines!

This month, Dom and Andy ill-advisedly take on their boss and co-CEO of UltraSignup David Callahan. Plus, they deconstruct the new running caveman ad starring sweetboy Tim Tollefson and reflect on the week that was Cocodona. Get 10% off Janji gear with code BTP10 and 20% off Dirtbag Bars with code ULTRADIRTBAG20.

The world's first (and only?) ultrarunner/paraglider Jason Hardrath sails straight into the pines to talk about his 121 career FKTs. Plus, the boys cover the scientific study saying marathons make you dumber, they preview their Utah 115 race, and they play Would You Rather? Ultra Edition. As always, get your own Janji give for spring with 10% off with code BTP10.

Carb evangelist and Leadville 100 course record holder David Roche extols the boys on the virtues of being totally hairless, how meat can be vegan, and why he'll win Western States without training. Plus, Andy counter-challenges someone to a Race To The Death, and Fartalk helps a caller with treadmill HIIT. And visit our friends at Janji and get 10% off with code BTP10.

Maggie Guterl gives Andy and Dom advice for being an IPOS and growing their social media followings. Plus, moths finally speak out about running brands appropriating their culture and the boys rank their favorite least favorite races for 2025. Get 10% off all Janji gear when you use code BTP10.

The Corporanino Cowboy himself Eric Senseman drops in between the pines to talk about life as a 30-something-year-old retiree. And since that's depressing, there's pretty of holiday cheer from gift guides for your crew, a Christmas poem tradition, and the look ahead to what awaits us in 2025.

Coming fresh off the most unusual (for them) but very popular New York City Marathon, the boys recount their favorite moments of the weekend. What is Strava edging, and why aren't you on the BTP Edging group? Christian Allen tells all, and leaves us envious of his vicious mullet and stride. Support our sponsors by taking 10% of Janji gear with code BTP10.

As the boys prep for the New York City Marathon, they sit down with the Olympic bronze medalist Molly Seidel to ask how to run a marathon and learn about how she's leaning into her villain era. Support our sponsors by taking 10% of Janji gear with code BTP10.

The boys are finally back in town! Dom and Andy relive their greatest Western States moments and then interview one of the greatest ultrarunners of all time: @YaBoyScottJurek.

Dom and Andy start a road trip to the starting line of Western States. But after they eat a bag of expired gels and begin to hallucinate, things take several very weird turns. This very special epsiode is chock full of guests, including an interview with filmmaker and dog kidnapper Billy Yang. Plus, get your very own Between Two Pines trucker hat, available now in the UltraSignup merch store. And get 10% off all Janji gear when you use code BTP10.

K-Pop star Tim Tollefson, who you may know from Instagram, drops in between the pines to talk about being a pro runner for a decade, how much money he makes, and his almost unbelievable wins at UTMB and Western States. Plus, get your very own Between Two Pines trucker hat, available now in the UltraSignup merch store. And get 10% off all Janji gear when you use code BTP10.

Curl up inside the mind inside the man behind Semi-Rad, Brendan Leonard. It's nice and toasty and full of graphs in there. Plus, the boys break down the world's most insane race that's NOT the Barkley Marathons. And don't miss the debut of Between Two Pine's brand new soap opera: THE WESTERN STATE. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And don't forget to get 10% off Janji gear with code BTP10 and 10% off Currex insoles with code USIGNUP10.