Psychosis Maxing With Candace Owens
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Show Notes
In this episode, Simone & Malcolm Collins dive deep into the escalating conspiracy theories from Candace Owens’ world—especially after Charlie Kirk’s assassination. From Charlie being a time traveler who attended a secret “X-Men school” for gifted kids, to Brigitte Macron (and Michelle Obama) secretly being men, Harvard as a Mossad base, Frankist cults running the world, the Bolshevik Revolution, 9/11, JFK, fake moon landings, dinosaurs being “fake and gay,” and the infamous Egyptian planes surveillance plot... we break it all down.
Is this audience capture on steroids? AI-induced psychosis? Genuine belief amplified by massive Patreon money ($200k+/month)? Or just the most entertaining grift in conservative media right now? We plausibility-check where things aren’t totally insane (spy recruitment on campuses is real!), laugh at the absurdity, and explore why her follower count exploded in 2025.
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Episode Notes
Candace Owens has gone so off the reservation that we’ve got to talk about it.
The latest from Candace Owens is that she claims he’s a time traveler based on joking, flirty texts he sent her.
Writes Cinema Shogun on X: Candace Owens is now saying that Charlie Kirk was marked since a child because he had special powers. She thinks he could possibly see into the future. And claims he went to a secret school for kids with gifted abilities like the X-Men. That’s where we’re at folks.
* He posts a clip of her talking about this followed by the X-men intro—love it
I had not realized how far it had gotten.
And yet Candace Owens has a huge following:
* For scale:
* Brett Cooper—also part of the Daily Wire cinematic universe—has 538.8K
* 5.74M subscribers on YouTube
* Brett Cooper (who split off from Daily Wire __ after Candace Owens) has 1.68M
* Her membership starts at $20/month, so minimally she’ making 20*11,860= $237,200/month.
* Minimal tiers allows people to: “Submit questions and comments to have answered/discussed in the final segment of “A Shot In the Dark”. This will be the only pool of questions selected from.”
So I decided to explore:
* What exactly Candace Owens is claiming
* Whether her apparent psychosis is AI psychosis, audience-driven psychosis, good ol’ fashioned psychosis, or a mix
* What role her audience plays: Are they egging her on for entertainment, intentionally worsening her psychosis? Do they believe what she’s saying?
Candace Owens’ Claims
The Antisemetic Theories
I think these may be the most important, as I think they lead to a surge in support (as antisemitism is on the rise and her expression of it is uniquely entertaining)
* Owens has alleged that Jews founded Israel as part of a “cult” linked to the Frankist sect, involved in crimes against Christians during Passover.
* She has claimed Jews orchestrated the Bolshevik Revolution to exterminate Christians, that Harvard University serves as a Mossad base, that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks, and that the Holocaust is exaggerated or fabricated (calling Elie Wiesel a “liar”).
* She has also suggested critics of Israel fear for their lives and that Jews assassinated JFK. These claims have been labeled as promoting antisemitic tropes.
The Transgender Conspiracies
* I knew about the Macron conspiracies:
* That Brigitte Macron, France’s first lady, was born male (named Jean-Michel Trogneux, her brother’s name), leading to a 2025 defamation lawsuit from the Macrons.
* Side note that she also claims the Macrons:
* Are plotting her assassination
* are complicit in Charlie Kirk’s murder (via French involvement in global conspiracies)
* What I did NOT know was that she made similar baseless allegations about other women like Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris, suggesting these are part of a broader pattern where powerful women’s achievements “defy traditional norms.
The Fake and Gay Series
She has referred to some things as “fake and gay” though sadly in this case “gay” is meant as a slang pejorative and not an additional conspiracy about gay men conspiring to do things, which would have been entertaining.
Moon Landing
Owens has described the Apollo moon landings as “fake and gay,” hosting conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel on her podcast to promote the idea that they were staged (possibly by Stanley Kubrick). She later clarified on Bill Maher’s podcast that she doesn’t care enough about the topic to fully endorse it as a hoax
Dinosaurs
She has called dinosaurs “fake and gay” and suggested the moon landing denial ties into broader skepticism of official narratives. Owens has also promoted Gnostic-inspired ideas, viewing certain events (like Kirk’s assassination) through a lens of ancient heresies where hidden knowledge reveals elite control
Social and Political Conspiracies
She has called dinosaurs “fake and gay” and suggested the moon landing denial ties into broader skepticism of official narratives. Owens has also promoted Gnostic-inspired ideas, viewing certain events (like Kirk’s assassination) through a lens of ancient heresies where hidden knowledge reveals elite control
The Charlie Kirk Conspiracies
* The Assassination Plot
* Owens alleged Kirk was shot from below the stage, with the assassin escaping through tunnels.
* She tied the killing to Israel (suggesting Mossad involvement due to Kirk’s shifting views on Israel), TPUSA insiders, American Israel supporters, the French military, and evangelical churches.
* She also linked it to Kirk’s trip to Asia and claimed it was part of a larger cover-up, dismissing debunking reports as Mossad propaganda.
* The Erika Kirk component
* Owens insists she is not implicating Erika Kirk in Charlie Kirk’s murder; she more broadly implies that TPUSA may be involved
* Some of her fans have more explicitly accused Erika Kirk
* The Egyptian planes component
* Owens has claimed that Egyptian military or surveillance aircraft (specifically identifying planes like SU-BTT and SU-BND via flight-tracking data from sources such as ADS-B Exchange) were repeatedly tracking or overlapping with the locations of Erika Kirk (Charlie’s widow and current TPUSA CEO), and to a lesser extent Charlie himself, over several years.
* On the day of the assassination (September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University in Provo, Utah), Owens claimed at least one (or both) of these Egyptian planes was present or “powered on” at Provo Airport. She said one took off shortly after, while the other remained grounded; passengers allegedly received rental cars (possibly linked to Duncan Aviation), implying operatives or foreign entities on the ground.
* She has referenced tips (including from unnamed “federal agents”) warning her to stop discussing the planes, and alleged TPUSA pressured her to drop it, adding to her narrative of cover-up.
* X-Men style school for gifted children:
* Owens claimed Kirk was “marked” as a child due to exceptional abilities (e.g., off-the-charts test scores, potential telekinesis or foresight). She alleged agents wanted to drug him for behavioral issues, but his mother refused, leading to his placement in a special “school for the gifted” akin to the X-Men academy (possibly referring to programs like GATE or schools such as Quest Academy in Illinois). Owens said he was monitored by government agents his whole life, required security early on, and that she herself was recruited for a similar program but “pretended to be an idiot” to escape. Critics note Kirk attended public schools like Wheeling High School and did not graduate college, contradicting the elite “X-Men” narrative.
* To be fair, arguably school teachers are government agents
* And it’s super common for teachers / school administrators to insinuate to parents that they should medicate their kids (likely doubly so for smart, energetic young boys)
* I think both of us were in GATE and it was not even remotely remarkable
* Time traveler claim:
* Owens stated it is an “absolute fact” that Kirk believed he was a time traveler, based on private text messages where he allegedly said he “had to find her” and knew he would die young to “change outcomes.” She speculated this tied into the CIA’s “Project Looking Glass,” a conspiracy theory about a time-viewing device from ancient Sumeria linked to the Mandela Effect (e.g., false collective memories like a missing cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo). Owens suggested Kirk could see the future and was “targeted by powerful forces” because of it.
* So with this we have the texts he sent her, which explain the time traveler part
* But where did she get the impression Charlie thought he would die young?
* In her January 14, 2026 podcast episode titled “PROJECT LOOKING GLASS: How Did Charlie Know He Was Going To Die?” (episode 290 of her Candace show), Owens explicitly states that Kirk repeatedly told her he was a time traveler and expressed foreknowledge of dying young. She claims he tied this to his work with TPUSA, saying things like:
* From the beginning of TPUSA, he “knew in his gut that [he] might get wiped out at any time” and dreamed about it frequently.
* He was “not sure if [he] would live to see the end of this revolution” and believed Owens was the person meant to “finish the fight” after him.
* He predicted his death would be a “tragic event” connected to the organization, and that he would die young as part of a larger mission or predetermined outcome.
* Owens has referenced and reportedly shown screenshots of these text exchanges on her show (or in related discussions), describing them as proof that Kirk “knew he was going to die young” and viewed it as necessary to “change outcomes” or timelines. She claims she initially dismissed these as casual or joking remarks (including the time traveler bit, where he said he “had to find” her), but reinterpreted them after his September 2025 assassination as evidence of genuine foresight—possibly linked to conspiracy theories like the CIA’s “Project Looking Glass” (a supposed time-viewing technology).
Candace Owens’ Audience
Do her fans believe what she’s saying?
* Some posts suggest so
* For example, Lori Love, who has over 19K followers on X, defended Owens’ time traveler claims by pointing to Candace Owens sharing of the text exchange screenshot, writing: “Candace claims Charlie Kirk was a time traveler. She’s insane! She’s psychotic!” Correction: Charlie Kirk said he was a time traveler.
* BTW Lori Love describes herself as: “Freelance Graphic Designer ✨ Communications ✍🏼 Politics & Culture - America First 🇺🇸 End Government Tyranny ✝️ Christ is the way, the truth, and the life”
Are her fans trolling her and egging her on?
Yes, and not just her fans.
The Daily Wire trolls her too, e.g. by making fake Egyptian Air advertisements riffing on her Egyptian planes conspiracy.
She also encourages them to do so, with posts like “Question for “conspiracy theorists”, only. What’s the real reason the deep state is suddenly obsessed with seizing Greenland?”
Candace Owens’ Psychosis
In favor of AI psychosis
2025 was the first year when AI psychosis arose
HOWEVER, Owens was known for being a conspiracy theorist from 2018 onward:
* Reporting describes her as a “pro‑Trump conspiracy theorist” whose rise in right‑wing media was tied to claims such as suggesting that mail bombs sent to Trump critics in October 2018 were actually a left‑wing “false flag,” a claim she deleted after the suspect was identified as a Trump supporter.
* By 2020, she was publicly questioning official Covid‑19 death figures and attacking Bill Gates as a “vaccine criminal,” part of broader anti‑vaccine and pandemic‑related conspiracy rhetoric.
In favor of Fan-Driven Psychosis
Candace got big because of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
* 2019: 0.6M; 2020: 0.9M; 2021: 1.2M subscribers (steady early growth).
* 2022: 1.4M; 2023: 1.5M; 2024: 1.52M subscribers (moderate growth).
* 2025: about 5.6M subscribers, reflecting rapid expansion documented by multiple analytics snapshots and fact‑checking of her social‑media footprint
In favor of Normal Psychosis
There is no reliable public evidence that Candace Owens has family members with psychosis or schizophrenia, and she has not disclosed such a family history in credible biographical or news sources.
THAT SAID: She seems to have a general tendency to think in a schizo manner that stems back to her early career, well before she became really famous or before AI hit the scene:
* In 2016, during the “Social Autopsy” controversy and her entry into Gamergate circles, Owens blamed a progressive gamer and “the Left” for doxxing her despite scant evidence, an early example of attributing coordinated hidden malice without substantiation.
Episode Transcript
Simone Collins: [00:00:00] But actually this makes way more sense.
Oh, no. Oh God. Are is this just gonna be where like I tell you Candace o’s conspiracy theory and you’re like, well, but that’s right, Simone.
So you’re not gonna respond to the nine 11, the, Bolshevik Revolution claim. The Harvard University is Mossad base. Just, we’re just putting it out there. First
Malcolm Collins: of all, Harvard University could be a masad base. That would not be like a crazy thing. You know what?
Simone Collins: No, I don’t want your response.
We’re just gonna go. No, hold on. No. We need a plausibility check. No. Whatcha doing? I’m trying to say she’s psychotic and you’re like,
Malcolm Collins: me too. Me too. Do, no, I’m I you, it’s important that you point out where her things aren’t that crazy. Okay. so first of all spy operations have repeatedly throughout history, used university campuses, specific university campuses Yeah.
For recruiting new assets and agents.
I wanna talk about the word conspiracy theorist you’re using here. Okay. Yeah.
Okay, fair.
Would you like to know [00:01:00] more?
Simone Collins: Hello, Malcolm. I am so excited to be speaking with you today because Candace Owens has gone off the reservation so much that I think we need to talk about it.
Malcolm Collins: What was the
Simone Collins: recent
Malcolm Collins: one you were telling me this morning and I was like, what the, she thought that Charlie Kirk was trained at a school like for gifted children, like in the X-Men with special telepathic power.
Well, first, the
Simone Collins: first thing that like really caught my attention was that she, she claimed that Charlie Kirk was a time traveler based on basically a, a joking flirty text that he sent to her where she texted him, I’m an alien frowny face. And he responded, I think I’m a time traveler. This is my home, but I think you found me.
And time traveled with me. And she took that and just ran with it. This wasn’t like, you know, she’s just gonna like, I’m gonna take things hard, literally. And, someone else put it better than I did. Right. With regard to the X-Men thing cinnamon Shogun on X wrote Candace Owens is now [00:02:00] saying that Charlie Kirk has, was marked since a child because he has special powers she thinks he could possibly see into the future, and claims he went to a secret school for kids with gifted abilities like the X-Men.
That’s where we’re at, folks. And he posts a clip of her talking about this followed by the X-Men intro, which, which I absolutely love.
Speaker 11: Charlie may have been marked since he was a child. We’ve discussed these gait programs that they have in school, and I just think on the basis of what he told me, that when he was really young, they wanted to drug him, but his mother said no and he was really grateful for that, and instead they decided that they could send him to this X-Men School.
That’s the best way I can describe it. I would certainly, by the way, for you Internets, I’d like to find out which school, Charlie. Had to attend. So he was pulled out of the regular school he was attending and he had to go to some special school for the gifted like he was next [00:03:00] man.
Simone Collins: Yeah. So, I mean, I love
Malcolm Collins: the, actually going into this. You, you went over this with me this morning. I’m like, Simone, you have multiple times. Recently told me something crazy.
Candace Owens said, yeah. That you were agha at Yeah. We need to make an episode on all of her because her her worldview, I wanna live in her mind. Yeah. It must be the craziest world. Yeah. She just, and, and actually your whole thesis was this. Because you wanted to find out what kind of crazy was she? Yes.
Was she like audience captured? Was she like having genuine psychosis? Yeah. What
Simone Collins: flavor of psychosis does she have? Is this like old school psychosis? Is this audio audience capture psychosis or is this AI induced psychosis? And so what we’re gonna do in this episode is we are going to go through her conspiracy theories and we’re gonna look at, you know, has her audience kind of egged this on, and then we’re gonna, we’re [00:04:00] gonna come to a conclusion.
What, what, like it, or is she just like, maxing isn’t all of them it, because it, I mean, we’re gonna go into it though, but I just, I wanna point out though. Just how wild it is. Before I even give you the full depth of all of her conspiracy theories, just how, how many followers she has. So on X she has 7.5 million followers.
And for scale, Rhett Cooper, who’s also part of like the daily Wire cinematic universe, and also someone who left The Daily Wire, though more recently she, compared to Candace Owens, 7.5 million has just 536,800. Ben Shapiro has 8 million, so only 500,000 more than Candace Owens. Who’s, who’s more of an up and comer than, you know, like she’s newer to the scene than Ben Shapiro, which she, she’s
Malcolm Collins: moneyed interest backing her like he does.
Simone Collins: Yeah, I know, right? So this is like really impressive. She’s just a crazy person. [00:05:00] Yeah. Asma Gold has 1.2 million. Elon Musk has. Well, I think what. Sorry, like 242.5 million. Donald Trump, 109 million Hassan Piker, 1.6 million. Greta Thunberg, 5.1 million. So just to give you kind of like a landscape, Candace Owens is at the higher end.
She’s obviously not at like Donald Trump or Elon Musk level, but she’s above Asman Gold, just a tiny bit below Ben Shapiro on YouTube. She has 5.74 million subscribers. Ben Shapiro Shapiro has 7.13 million. Brett Cooper who only left the Daily wear fairly recently has just 1.68 million. Mond Gold has 4.3, so Candace Owens has more subscribers on YouTube than Aspen Gold.
Even though like Aspen Gold, I think speaks for the typical centrist American who’s online, whereas Candace Owens speaks to like. Someone wearing a tinfoil hat. And, but this is
Malcolm Collins: the thing, this, the, the, the, the, the scale and scope of her [00:06:00] conspiracy that we get it to them. These are not like us dunking on Candace Owens for like being wrong.
Like, it’s not even, like, these aren’t even things worth like debunking or differences of political opinion. Charlie Kirk was not a times traveler raised with special power. So that’s what you think.
Simone Collins: I mean, who were we to say? But we are gonna go into these No, no, no,
Malcolm Collins: no, no, no, no, no. Actually, I know we can joke about this, but the point that I’m making here is, this is not about us saying we have political differences with Candace Owens.
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. This is, she, she’s
Simone Collins: just, she is unhinged and yet even on Patreon, she has 11.8 K members and her membership starts at $20 per month. Though it also that I think that it’s 50 and then 75. But this is what I
Malcolm Collins: love about Candace Owens. Oh, no. I wanna
Simone Collins: point out that, that the ec, the unit economics of that work out to $237,200 per month.
Wow. Per month. Just from Patreon. That’s not including all of her, [00:07:00] her sponsorships, her YouTube revenue everything else that she gets. Like she’s making tons of, like, people are spending a lot of money. And the only reason they’re paying for that for the min, and this is assuming she gets only minimum to your payers.
And what you get for that is just the ability to quote, submit questions and comments to have answered or discussed in the final segment of a shot in the dark. This will be the only pool of questions selected from, and I feel like. Again, this is, this is gonna come in later as we, as we try to figure out what is driving her psychosis.
I almost feel like a, a, a very large number of those people do not believe at all in what she’s saying. They just want to make her more crazy and they’re paying $20 a month to be able to, to give her questions and comments that she has to read so that they can drive her more crazy. I,
Malcolm Collins: I, this is the thing about Candace Owens and her conspiracy.
Simone Collins: Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Other, other people will pick up on [00:08:00] like preexisting conspiracy theories mm-hmm. And expand them. Uhhuh, Candace Owens invents and generates entirely new and intricate strains of conspiracy theory. And it may be
Simone Collins: that this is a genre of entertainment that people very much like and enjoy and are willing to pay for.
Malcolm Collins: People say our show is conspiracy theories, no culture, but the West blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh my God.
Simone Collins: Is she like the new Charles Dickens? ‘cause Charles Dickens has changed. You know, he serialized his books and then people would write into him and be like, you can’t kill this character.
Like, this has to happen. And he’s changed his plots because people have complained. Like he, he was the, the OG person subject to moderate amounts at least of audience capture. So
Malcolm Collins: if he lived today, all of his characters would be gay and trans. They, they’d be like,
Simone Collins: well, it depends on his audience. Right. I mean, Candace Owens is an example of like conservative Christian conspiracy theorist audience capture or like, I don’t know, troll audience capture.
Well, I think she, in her, in her, in her
Malcolm Collins: extended fiction universe, the, the president Macron’s wife with a [00:09:00] man.
Simone Collins: So let’s, let’s just go, no, no, no. Let’s don’t jump the shark here. Let’s go through her claims one by one and we, we can actually, let’s start with the anti-Semitic ones. And I think this is really important ‘cause I think this might have been.
Something that really helped her get started even before the viron helped her get started. Antisemitism. Well, and the thing is I think there’s, there, her anti-Semitic theories may be among the most important because I think they led to a surge of support for her. Because anti-Semitism is totally on the rise.
We’ve gotten bumps when we post anti-Semitic content, so I could see how you would be even at, at the very least, subconsciously motivated to lean into anti-Semitic content. And her unique flavor of anti-Semitism, I think really feeds into something that the anti-Semitic, like fans of the internet extra like, because there’s a huge correlation between someone being anti-Semitic and very openly and enthusiastically anti-Semitic online, and then also wanting to [00:10:00] conflate Jews with conspiracy theories and Candace like.
Improv’s conspiracy. She’s like the jazz master of, of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
Malcolm Collins: And I gotta point out here before you go further, we actually haven’t done any actually anti-Semitic videos, but we will sometimes intentionally try to make title cards, make it look as if the video is gonna be anti-Semitic, because I know it will do better if the average YouTube watcher thinks they’re about to watch something antisemitic.
But
Simone Collins: a lot of the comments that we get when they are anti-Semitic, it’s like, well, the, the JOO or the, the like juice emoji are commenters are anti-Semitic. Yeah. Well, no, but not just that they’re anti-Semitic. The, the correlation between someone who makes an anti-Semitic comment who also is making a comment about Jews doing conspiracies, it is like 80%, 80% is gonna say something anti-Semitic.
They’re also gonna say something conspiratorial. Candace Owens is like, oh, so here’s what some of the things she said. No, actually,
Malcolm Collins: hold on. I just had a realization what, judaism is almost like [00:11:00] the Freemasons, were still a religion, you know, like all the, the conspiracy theories, like believe the Freemasons, like do this and do that and do that.
Yeah. Like the homework, the, the Simpson song. Yeah. Just like was was, was Judaism. It’s like they just found an actual group of people and ascribed it all to them.
Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. No, totally. And, and they love that. And that’s, I think that’s one of the though Charlie Kirk was the major inflection point for her.
The anti-Semitic stuff is like a very big engine for anyone in terms of growth, especially if they feed into conspiracy theories. So this is crucial in terms of what she’s actually argued with her anti-Semitic conspiracy theorizing. She has alleged that Jews founded Israel as part of a cult linked to Frankest, the Frankest sect.
She is, she’s the one who’s all about the Frankest sect. Who are the frankest? What’s, what’s the lore here? I haven’t, so she said that they were involved in crimes against Christians during Passover. I’ve not heard of Frankest from anyone but her and every time I try to [00:12:00] listen to her talk about it, I get real confused.
I don’t know if it’s because of my feminized brain being so stupid. You’ll, you’ll come to understand that Candace also realizes that women are not very smart, and if women aren’t successful positions, it’s probably because they’re really men. But yeah, I, I don’t. Quite understand. Okay. Hold on. I’ll
Malcolm Collins: read, I’ll read a explanation of who she thinks they are.
Okay. Okay. The Frank is followers of the 18th century figure. Jacob Frank represented a secretive, a heretical cult that she describes as the preferred religion of the elites. She portrays them as, wait, but then how does this, how can
Simone Collins: this have to do with crimes against Christians during
Malcolm Collins: Passover? Wait, wait, we’ll get there.
Okay. She describes them as devil worshipers who practice deception, inversion of morals and extreme transgressions, including PDA files incest and ritualistic crimes as part of their religious beliefs. Owens claims Frank, him is an offshoot or a continuation of [00:13:00] Sabom from the early false Messiah, Sabota Zevi.
Oh.
That face is me realizing that I got balsam ta confused with Shabot Levy, two figures who I think are bad figures from Jewish history. , But Jews would not think that Balsam TA was as bad as Shabot levy. , And so I was very embarrassed and then I was trying to remember if I had put that episode live yet, or if I had time to fix it, and I did not have time to fix it.
Malcolm Collins: But emphasizes it’s. Antinomian anti law nature where followers deliberately violate moral religious norms to achieve some form of spiritual elevation of power. I just realized I got, you can
Simone Collins: understand how this just flies right over my
Malcolm Collins: head, right. Knowing me. Yeah. Well, it actually makes sense.
So Shatai Levy really did practice those things. Mm-hmm. So, so you’re just
Simone Collins: saying Candace Owens is right about everything. What about this? She claimed that Jews orchestrated the BOLs Bolshevik Revolution to exterminate [00:14:00] Christians and that Harvard University serves as a Mossad base, and that Israel was behind nine 11 and that the Holocaust was exaggerated or fabricated.
So sh
Malcolm Collins: she has repeatedly stated that the frankest are not true Jews, but imposters who reject mainstream Judaism, which would be the case if they were followers of Zite Levy. Okay. And were excommunicated by rabbinical authorities. Instead they allegedly infiltrate other faiths such as Catholicism through false conversions to undermine or destroy Christian societies and empires.
Well then why would she
Simone Collins: blame Israel for stuff? Unless Israel has actually infiltrated, or sorry, unless this sect has, the frankest has have successfully infiltrated all of like
Malcolm Collins: Well, okay, so if Frankest our descendants from Saboa Levy mm-hmm. It would be a branch from Judaism, but it would be a inversion of Judaism.
Like literally what she’s appetite Lieby believed was that you needed to invert all the laws of Judaism because we were in the Messianic period. And so that meant that morality had become inverted. Mm-hmm. I actually got this wrong, I think on yesterday’s video in editing. I thought it was [00:15:00] SEM who did that,
Simone Collins: and two people at least were like, you got the wrong guy.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah.
Simone Collins: Confused him. Thanks guys. You guys are, you, you always fact check us and we really appreciate that fact.
Malcolm Collins: Check us. I did not look it up and I was being stupid. Two very important figures from Jewish history around the same period. We’re
Simone Collins: so bad with names.
But actually this makes way more sense.
Oh, no. Oh God. Are is this just gonna be where like I tell you Candace o’s conspiracy theory and you’re like, well, but that’s right, Simone.
Malcolm Collins: No, I’m not saying it makes, but what I’m saying is it’s a, it’s a coherent worldview. Okay. The idea. So, okay. So she’s a good spinner of conspiracy lore. Okay, so for people who don’t know, this is actually probably pretty important.
There was a period where around 40 to 30% of the Jewish community believed the Messiah had come. It was somebody named she Levy. He ended up converting to Islam. That doesn’t really matter, but he did believe in rule inversion. And the other thing that he was totally not above is attempting to influence other groups and stuff like that.
Like after the demoralization that came was [00:16:00] sabotage DE’s conversion into, islam. Yes. Islam missed Islam. You could say that his faction got really demoralized and they didn’t just get demoralized. It is true, absolutely true that portions of the factions that followed him went sort of underground because they were too embarrassed to admit that they still practiced some of these things from this guy who turned out to be a fraud who betrayed everyone.
And he’s the guy who I think is like the actual antichrist because he a complete inversion of Jesus. In terms of everything that he did. You can watch our track series on that. But from Candace Owen’s perspective, could some of these secret groups still exist and have power? Yeah, because she Levy did associate with groups that did have power.
Mm-hmm. Like conceivably, I can see how this conspiracy works in somebody’s mind. I don’t think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s real more, but I would say is that if you’re looking, because I’ve always had a problem with this, where do you get like actual satanist from that makes no sense. Like. He’s the bad guy. Like, why are you following the [00:17:00] guy who in the book is like, there isn’t a, I remember when I was a kid, I asked my parents this once, I was like, why is anyone a satanist when we know like by the text he’s the bad guy, right?
I mean, the the real answer is, is that real world Satanists don’t actually worship Satan. They just say that they’re satanist to piss off Christians and then Yeah, they trolls. Yeah. But, but there is an actual real founded in reality, theological reason from reality inversion. If you believe in the metaphysics of Shabot Levy
Okay, so what I pulled up only brought up Candace’s Owens perception of this event. It didn’t bring up the real event that happened. And , I’m a little scared. I, yeah, I think, I think some fans are gonna think, Malcolm, you’re gonna crash out over this. I’m not gonna crash out. We’ll just go into it., It’s not like some became Catholics.
They all became Catholics. So let’s go into this. So Jacob Frank, after Shabot Levy was born 60 years later in the Ukraine, he claimed to be the [00:18:00] spiritual successor or reincarnation of Zevi. And also the biblical patriarch Jacob. He took the Antinomian idea much further. This is the idea that you should invert morality.
He taught that all existing religious laws, Jewish, Christian, and Muslim were created by evil forces and must be deliberately broken to reach. The ultimate redemption. His followers engaged in ritualized sexual transgressions, documented orgies, partner swapping, and , sources mentioned incest. The most famous incident was in 1756 in Laquon, where they were allegedly caught dancing around a semi-naked woman representing the AYA or the divine female presence after being persecuted by Jewish and Christian authorities. Frank persuaded several thousand followers, several thousand followers, to undergo a mass conversion to Catholicism. But it’s very clear that they kept their secret beliefs and still worshiped this individual, , while practicing OMI [00:19:00] idealists.
Now this is where I was like, wait, what? Like, ‘cause I thought the Catholic thing, you know, everyone’s always like, oh, it’s a Catholic’s, a Jews, the Catholic’s, a Jews, , none of the frankest. Stage Jews, none of them stage Jews, they are 100% in the Catholic church. That is the, the historical reality of this, if this is a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy theory about Catholicism.
Now I’m gonna argue , it’s not as bad as it sounds on the surf. It’s pretty bad, but it’s not as bad as it sounds on the surface. So let’s go a bit deeper here, because I was like, wait, this doesn’t make any sense. All of these people were born Jews, like in Jewish communities of like the 17 hundreds.
You don’t just randomly all become Catholics. , So I was trying to figure out what was going on here. You know, expressing doubt, right? And so, the reason it apparently worked is they say it’s a mix of strategic survival, theological beliefs and opportunism notice a sincere, , adoption of Catholic practices.
So they were facing incredibly heavy, , prosecution from Jewish authorities. So Frank’s teachings were extremely heretical, specifically to Jews. Obviously, if you’re creating an anti Judaism, [00:20:00] that would be heretical mostly to Jews. Because he promoted redemption through sin, deliberately breaking Jewish laws, including sexual taboos like orgi and incense as a mystical path.
, And so the Jewish community was obviously very, very angry at him and he wasn’t gonna be easily, really re accepted into this community with any sort of authority. So to escape this, Frank and his group turned to Catholic bishops and nobles for shelters. They cleverly, , told the church what they wanted to hear, that they rejected the Talmud, which Christians often criticized.
But accepted kabbalistic texts and claimed that those supported ideas like the Trinity, although they secretly meant their own Messiah, not Jesus, this positioned them as potential allies against Talmudic Judaism. And if anyone knows my thoughts on kabbalistic texts, obviously I am not a fan of this guy.
, So Frank’s own theology made. Conversion, a required step. Frank claimed divine revelations saying Christianity, specifically Catholicism was a temporary transitional stage to the future Messianic religion. He [00:21:00] would reveal it was part of descending into the kabbalistic symbol for, , Christianity and the Christian world as a necessary humiliation, redemption path.
So basically, if you’re being the opposite of a Jew and you need to go through this humiliation ritual or like opposite. Ritual Catholicism made sense to him. And so baptism was famed as a ritual act to reach higher spiritual levels. But specifically like a sinful ritual act like baptism was to him, like an orgy was to him.
, And more than that, the conversion opened doors. Paulette Catholic Nobles acted as grandparents to them, gave them names, titles, and integration into the upper gentry. . Which is crazy. , What’s interesting here is that, , this was all mostly fake from, apparently we know this from historical documents.
A classic , crypto religious movement, IE secret religious movement like the muranos in Spain centuries earlier, they kept secretly referring to Frank as their holy master. , They continued the omim [00:22:00] practices in private, , and they intermarried only among themselves to wait for the real religion to be revealed.
, The church grew suspicious and Frank was arrested in 1760 for feign conversion and heresy in prison 13 years later. So what’s interesting is after he disappeared, , we see mentions of people, , practicing things tied to this. , I think it was what I was looking at, like all the way until the late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds.
And, , v very interesting. , The being adopted into the upper ranks is sort of , a approving that Jew, like a large section of Jews could, could join in them like that. That’s why they were so excited and so incredulous, , about this. . So, yeah. , But the Pope did appear to be suspicious from the start.
, Papal nuncio, Polish primates were suspicious. , No frankish became priests, bishops or high officials in the church. So to say that this is like carried into the Catholic church, I think not, but the point I’d make is if, if the conspiracy is anywhere, it’s within the Catholic Church, not Jews.
The [00:23:00] Jews apparently hated the, for obvious reasons, hated these people.
Malcolm Collins: continue.
Okay.
Simone Collins: So you’re not gonna respond to the nine 11, the, the Bolshevik Revolution claim. The Harvard University is Mossad base. Just, we’re just putting it out there. First
Malcolm Collins: of all, Harvard University could be a masad base. That would not be like a crazy thing. You know what?
Simone Collins: No, I don’t want your response.
We’re just gonna go. No, hold on. No. We need a plausibility check. No. Whatcha doing? I’m trying to say she’s psychotic and you’re like,
Malcolm Collins: me too. Me too. Do, no, I’m I you, it’s important that you point out where her things aren’t that crazy. Okay. Can you just say something like Harvard University would actually make an excellent, so first of all spy operations have repeatedly throughout history, used university campuses, specific university campuses Yeah.
For recruiting new assets and agents. Yeah. You want
Simone Collins: competence. The, you get it there. Well, it’s not just
Malcolm Collins: competence, but it’s a good time on somebody’s life to get you know, a blackmail on [00:24:00] them. Yeah. They’re, they’re typically more open to like, you know, if you’re a young person at college, they’re like, look, we’ll help you get a few early good jobs.
You just owe us this later. Mm-hmm. Like it’s a very easy place to do that. Moad is the most competent spy craft operation on the planet Earth. No. Yeah. So recruit from even people will argue against that.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: So that they would have an operation set up at Harvard. Seems I, I’d almost think it would be unlikely that there isn’t some sort of moad recruiting operation at Harvard.
Simone Collins: Okay.
Malcolm Collins: Video.
Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean the FBI recruited at my college, but that’s just ‘cause we were based in DC Okay. She, she also on the, on the Jew front, we, we gotta keep going. There’s a lot more suggested that critics of Israel fear for their lives and that Jews assassinated JFK. And well, the JFK one actually has a lot
Malcolm Collins: of backing to it,
Simone Collins: so I thought everyone said it was like the mafia, the Italian No, no, no, no.
Malcolm Collins: It was the mafia probably. But what’s important to note is that when [00:25:00] they finally released all of the JFK files and, and we’ve gotten the, like they did, they finally did. I thought they did. Yeah. They released a lot of them. The, the one thing that is censored consistently throughout all of them, because I, I forget how we know this, but it’s anything tied to Israel.
Um, And apparently there was a lot tied to Israel in those files.
Now what I think actually happened is Israel was being stupid and didn’t understand how that was gonna look. And so they were just like, well, because we do a lot of joint spycraft operations and stuff like that. Oh. And so they were probably like, Hey, this is like, proprietary information for us, Israel, and we did these joint operations thinking they would never get out to the public.
And so, do not. Mention our name in this. And so the guy at the desk was like, okay, cross out Israel. It’s gonna make you guys look guilty as sin, but I’m crossing it out.
Okay, so I looked back into this one to try to understand why it was all crossed out, that when it had to tie to Israel and it was actually a blanket cross out tied to something called sources and methods. Meaning anything that [00:26:00] had to do with how we got intelligence because obviously you don’t want to show sources was crossed out and we do so much cross intelligence was Israel that it made it look like Israel was super tied to this.
And the reason we know it’s Israel is because the 2025 message. Unblocked all the Israel mentions, and then so people were able to see when that dropped, , that Israel had just been crossed out a ton , in former stuff, but everywhere had been crossed out was very innocuous.
Malcolm Collins: Now who do I think actually killed JFK? I think it was a breakout faction within the FBI that was attempting to maintain power.
This is I can see that. Yeah. I could do a d different episode on that, but I actually think that there’s a lot of evidence that there was at the time portions of the FBI that essentially began to operate without government supervision. And the people in it thought that they were doing what was right for America and thought that any thing that they did was, was okay to do because they’re long-term doing it for America.
And so I think it was an FBI operation and not, not like the mainstream FBI, but like a branch of it. But anyway, you’re getting into Malcolm [00:27:00] Conspiracy here.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, we can do the, if, if you guys want Malcolm’s Conspiracy Corner we can, we can do that. Just comment below. Let’s get to the transgender, the conspiracies, because I don’t think Stop.
We’re gonna keep going. We’re gonna do Malcolm Conspiracy Corner if people want it, save it. But. Let’s get to the transgender stuff. ‘cause you started with referring to Macron. I didn’t know it was just Macron. So we knew about the Macron conspiracy. Okay. Specifically for those uninitiated that Bridgette, Bridget Macron, who’s France’s, first Lady Emmanuel Macron’s wife.
They have a weird enough relationship as it was. She was his school teacher. So it, it was already weird people. We didn’t need to make it weirder, but she alleges that that Tte was born male. That her name was Jean-Michel Tru Tru New, but that’s her brother’s name. So there there is one. It’s just her brother.
And this led to a, a defamation lawsuit that was filed last year. I think it’s still going on. But it [00:28:00] wasn’t oh, it also just with Macron, she, she also thinks that they’re plotting her assassination. And that they are complicit in Charlie Kirk’s murder. But that’s just via French involvement in global conspiracies.
Not like they. Specifically had it out for Charlie Kirk, but here’s the thing that I didn’t know about her whole transgender stuff, is that she has made similar baseless allegations about other women like Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris suggesting that this is part of this broader and pattern where powerful women’s achievements.
Defy traditional norms. I just, I’ve gotta have,
Malcolm Collins: she’s like, awesome powers. I’ve gotta put that scene here.
Simone Collins: Yes.
Speaker 2: This is my mother. Mrs. Exposition, how do stand? Thank God, man. What have you done?
Speaker 3: That’s not your mother. It’s a man baby. Yeah, yeah. Come on. Why this come?
Yeah. Hold on. Hold on [00:29:00] one second. My mother. Oh. Oh, mother, are you?
Malcolm Collins: No, literally, literally, I swear to God. She’s mad, man. No, it’s like, it’s like the lawsuit comes out, right? And they’re like, no, this is actually a woman. And, and of course she’s like,
Speaker 3: You have a lot of explaining to do. I’m sorry, basil. I thought she was a man. Damn it man. You are talking about my mother. Well, you have to adm