Nick Fuentes Fan Girls & Female Gooner Trends

Join Simone and Malcolm Collins as they dive deep into the fascinating world of Nick Fuentes fangirls and the unexpected online communities that have sprung up around controversial internet figures. In this episode, they explore the rise of fan fiction, shipping, and fandoms that blur the lines between politics, celebrity, and internet culture. Discover: The origins and psychology behind Nick Fuentes fan communities How fan fiction and “shipping” work in real-world political spaces The role of Tumblr, TikTok, and Reddit in shaping modern fandoms Surprising parallels between historical and contemporary fan obsessions Why some fans are drawn to “bad boy” personas, and what it says about online culture Whether you’re a curious observer, a fandom veteran, or just want to understand the latest internet trends, this episode offers a unique, in-depth look at the intersection of politics, romance, and digital communities.

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Simone Collins: Hello, Malcolm. I’m so excited to be speaking with you today because we are going to dive deep into Nick Fuentes fan girls. They are out there.

Malcolm Collins: Well, hold on, hold on. We’ve gotta be clear about what this community is. This is not girls who like, like the ideology of Nick Fuentes. This is a community of women that writes fan fiction about being like Nick Fuentes in weird sexual scenarios, except they hate Nick Fuentes.

They, no, no, no, no. They, they

Simone Collins: don’t hate him. They just. They’re apolitical. I’ll, I’ll give you an example. They’re apal. You wanna a clip from some fan fiction?

Malcolm Collins: Yes. So go stream so you can choose. It’s more like he has replaced the monster in the monster er category of like women fiction.

Simone Collins: He hasn’t replaced it.

He’s just a different version of it. And we’ll get into it. But I’ll give you an excerpt from one, just the opening. You can, you can choose one. There’s kiss under the MAGA sunset, which basically is Nick Fuentes confessing to Candace Owens and they start dating. Or you can get a little bit of Nick [00:01:00] Fuentes falls in love with a hijabi woman.

We’ll do the hijabi woman. All right. Nick first saw you about to cross the road, and what a sight It was a beautiful girl. Pretty in a way that made him pause, though clearly not the Catholic faith. No, no. That scarf of yours gave it away. Light blue and neatly pinned in place, matching your sweater in your jeans.

And what are the chances that this is the very first time he’d lay eyes on a hijabi woman, a Muslim girl, and not just anyone but one that made him think however reluctantly of the word. Beautiful. And of course, being who he was, he had to stop you. Hey, we’re placing these stickers on a map to let us know where everyone’s from.

He said, smiling the smile he used on strangers handing you a slip of paper like it was the most important thing in the world. You shuffled the things in your hands, trying to get a grip notebook, some kind of folder. And of all things, a chocolate ice lolly, which already told him you must have been hot.

Not that it surprised him since you weren’t really dressed for [00:02:00] the weather in September, decided to be cruel. You pressed your sticker onto the map and he peered at it with curiosity. He couldn’t quite disguise Nepal. No, no, not Nepal. Afghanistan. Afghanistan of all places. And suddenly the shape of you sharpened in his mind because here was an Afghan girl, and not just anyone, but with the kind of beauty he had only read about in forms and dark corners of the internet.

Rumors given form. And it struck him rather guiltily that he’d spent so much time online tearing your country to shreds. And yet here you were in front of him, smiling faintly and it unsettled him.

Malcolm Collins: Oh my gosh.

Simone Collins: So little taste. And now women love enemies to lovers.

They, they love. You know that

Malcolm Collins: there’s a lot of gay slashes, there’s a lot of enemies to lovers. Simone was, was complaining to me about how deep this community was. She’s like, this is not like a joke thing. Right. Like, these people are seriously boast into this and invested in this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And, and what we’ll get into some of that commentary [00:03:00] ‘cause this is also interesting.

There’s sort of like this, there’s the interest of the actual community and then there’s sort of the meta story around it. I think both are really notable and, and people should know about

Malcolm Collins: both. And so this is important, interesting to study in terms of understanding female psychology. Like why. And that’s why, why we’re gonna

Simone Collins: start, if you’ll let me Malcolm, well before, because I outline

Malcolm Collins: this episode.

Oh. So I don’t even get to talk about the gay rumors. ‘cause people are probably like, well, don’t you know he’s actually gay. You get to go

Simone Collins: into those later when we discuss shipping. Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. All in good time. We’re when we discuss shipping. But

Simone Collins: your turn is your turn.

I, I do wanna, I do wanna give a hat tip to you and also not Alda Huxley who both sent to me the shoe on head video about the female Gunnar trend in which she invested her valuable time in reading the now very notable romance novel book known as Morning Glory Milking Farm, in which a indebted, you know, student debt [00:04:00] burdened millennial has to.

Get a job in big pharma, not by working as a pharmaceutical saleswoman, but by milking Sansar, whose milk, as it were is used to make basically a form of Viagra, except the thing she used to milk is so big. She used to use both hands. It’s

Malcolm Collins: this whole thing. Oh. And he’s a democrat who said he would’ve obo voted for Obama three times if he could.

And he’s a staunch feminist ally. Yeah. To, and he’s a, they, they, they, they go into this a lot and very, very fun. Yeah. To be clear,

Simone Collins: this is about a romance between a woman and a senator, except the woman has like student debt and hates working in big pharma. And the Sansar has this whole like. Backstory where, you know, he’s divorced and you know, ‘cause you can tell by his, like septum piercing, you know, he, he used to be married.

Married. He used to be married. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This, this book has 21,435 reviews at the time of [00:05:00] recording. I think that this one review that’s sort of at the top probably gets the most thumbs up is, is really good at kind of showing what women are into in this case. So I’m just sending you a screenshot and I’ll read it for those who are listening

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Because this is really what Chuan had talked about in this video. ‘cause she’d used this book as a device to discuss the female Gunnar trend, which is really just that like women are perverted. And while they shame men for consuming erotic material online. Privately in, in the darkness of their goon caves, women are reading incredibly out there in slutty novels in which things defy physics and reality and going to to, to conferences.

And conventions and meetings and being very open about the fact that they’re, they’re super into smud. Okay, so

Malcolm Collins: I, I want you to read this review ‘cause Sheha didn’t go over this one. And it’s very interesting and it tells me a [00:06:00] lot about like what’s actually drawing people to this.

Simone Collins: 100%. And this is, by the way, this is a very

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Standard review for romance novels. And it’s very similar to like a tag system that you’ll see on erotic websites for men or art fab Do AI that has its own system for brainstorming your, your stories, right? So title sweet and spicy monster romance. Five out five stars reviewed in the United States.

April 3rd, 2025. Read, if you like, monster. Age, gap, size difference. How will it fit? This is what I mean when I say defy physics. Loads of milk. Cinnamon roll, min of tar, slow burn. He spoils her. My thoughts. Morning Glory. Milking Farm by CM, NEDA is, was way more than I could have imagined. This book completely blew me away in the best way.

It’s unique, steamy and balance is spice and sweetness like a pro. Honestly, I went into it not knowing what to expect, and I’m so glad I gave it a chance. This book is such a gem set in a world where monsters are [00:07:00] part of everyday life. This book introduces us to mears, and trust me, these guys are more than just eye candy.

The romance was surprisingly beautiful, and the chemistry between the characters is intense. The heroine is so relatable with her millennial struggles, drowning in debt, trying to make it on her own, and definitely not planning to fall for a m tar. But of course, life has other plans. What I really loved was the depth of this story.

Sure. The steam is there. Did you write this one? No. You’re getting a little too excited about it. Continue. I’m trying to read it dramatically.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the relationship, everybody remembers the episode on female romance books. No. Believes me. And you were like, you were like, I am not into these.

I just read them to fall asleep. And then you’re like, so anyway, in book number five, and it’s like.

Simone Collins: I hate you. I, I’m not, I’m not into meta guitars. You haven’t even read it. You’ve, you’ve now got haven’t to read this book so we can do it. I know. No, because I’ve also, like a aside, so months ago before Shuan had ever released this video, which [00:08:00] I guess was like yesterday or something, right?

I watched this like two hour take on it, which Shuan had actually referenced on like how Morning Glory Milking Farm is really a like communist take on. Yeah, you told me about this. I had to click because you can’t not click on that. That was like, it was a, it was a great book review. So I’ve, I’ve heard too much already.

She read a lot from it directly too. Anyway but the relationship was built on mutual respect, trust, and vulnerability. The way the book blends romance and steam without ever making it feel solely about the spice was refreshing. The world building was fantastic too. Monsters are just part of life here and I really liked that that was portrayed as normal rather than focusing on its weirdness, the dynamic felt natural, not played for laughs.

This book is, this book Perfectly Balances, slow Burn Heart and Steam. Morning Glory. Milking Farm is a must read if you love unique spicy romances with tons of heart. She also has comments on the audio book, so it looks like she, ‘cause she purchased the Kindle verified [00:09:00] purchase, but then, then she got the audiobook which she thoroughly enjoyed.

The narrator really brought the curator, the characters to life. The humor popped when I heard it out loud. I couldn’t help but crack up during some of the milking scenes, so I think she read this on Kindle. Then, then she read it again on a listed on a a I’m, I’m

Malcolm Collins: just trying to find out if in this world that they created, if she could get pregnant from him,

Simone Collins: because I don’t, I don’t know if they had penetrative schmuck.

So, oh, really? Well, I don’t know. I haven’t read the book

Malcolm Collins: was part of it.

Simone Collins: Well, no, her job, she’s, excuse me, she is professional. She is working for big pharma. She goes into the room, well, hold on.

Malcolm Collins: I got an answer, so don’t you worry. No. In morning glory milking farm universe, humans cannot get pregnant from MTAs.

The world building establishes that humans and monsters, including MTAs are separate species capable of romantic and sexual relationships, but reproduction is species specific. There are no mention of high breed offspring or cross species [00:10:00] in the books or related discussions. Instead, interspecies fertility issues are addressed through a dedicated facility called the Moon, bleeding Blooded Breeding Clinic Book three in the series.

Simone Collins: Oh, there’s a book three.

Malcolm Collins: Which focuses on reproduction like IVF and embryo donation for monsters struggling with low birth rates, but not for human mino tar pairings. What, okay. Continue. But I wanna, if you learn more about this low birth rates, I know what, how is

Simone Collins: Demographic op showing up in book three of a sexy Mino tar Romance series?

One thing I’ve noticed though, ‘cause this is why I also don’t think that penetration took place here, is that in all of the romance novels that I listened to until I literally, like, I just got so fed up with them, I don’t finish them ever ‘cause they’re really bad. Mm-hmm. Is there is no penetrative sex.

In fact, it’s like the one form of sex that I really can’t take, which is men going down on women like, Ugh, I just wanna vomit. I just wanna vomit. And like, that’s what [00:11:00] shows up in these. And obviously that’s not what’s happening in like, the milking scenes presumably. But. I just, I think that that’s this really interesting element of what you see in many of these spicy, but I also wanna point out to

Malcolm Collins: you guys who are like a girls are not into like, giving hand jobs and b*******s and it’s like, this is what they are reading recreationally.

Yeah. A lot of them are. Yeah. Look at the numbers. 21,000 reviews. They’re, they’re not into doing it with you is what you mean? Not,

Simone Collins: yeah, I don’t,

Malcolm Collins: anyway, continue. I, I wanna, I wanna learn more about Nick Fuentes and then when, when the results come out, I’m gonna, I’m gonna give you more on this demographic collapse of monsters au

Simone Collins: Yeah.

This is fascinating. Right. So I just wanna point out though that this, this whole fact, like that people are really focused on romantic and book, book talk and everything, it’s huge. It’s gonna stay huge and women really like that. But that for a very long time. Women especially [00:12:00] seem to have created romanticized fan fiction universes of real world, world characters, and this kind of bleeds through to a theme that we’ve been exploring on our podcast a lot recently, which is like, kind of celebrity culture is dead, or the way that we’re relating to celebrities is really different and there’s this big democratization.

But it’s, it’s such that now instead of people being snape wives, which is this like tiny subset of Tumblr where women like, believe they’re married to Snape and he’s a real person. It, it’s, it’s real people and the real world. And this goes back a really long time. So

Malcolm Collins: by, by the way, before you go further, yes, there are explicit penetrative sex scenes in the book.

But

Simone Collins: how that would like kill her, like I thought that you, you know, the people who really wanna bang dolphins yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Which have would pre defile members. Yeah. Now, so hold on. I wanna talk about the, the low fertility rates here. ‘cause this is interesting.

Okay.

So it assists in reproductive services like heat triggering and breeding was werewolves.

In a controlled environment, [00:13:00] this is positioned as more effective, affordable, and enjoyable than alternative multi-species IBF or adoption. However, the clinic services appear primarily aimed at helping clients, often humans or other species with contraceptive difficulties such as the human protagonist in Book three, who struggles with infertility after many failed attempts.

There are implications of reproductive challenges in mixed human monster society. The existence of multi-species. IBF suggest compatibility across species, but no explicit details on particular monsters. Having inherently low birth rates, some darker novellas in the extended universe like minero B explored forced reproduction and child loss in ancient UR lore.

But that’s historic horror rather than current low birth rates. Okay,

Okay. I decided to dive deep into the lore on this for you guys. So it turns out what’s actually happening in society is there is a fertility crisis, but it’s caused by significantly more males being born than females. And this is happening across species. It does appear that you can get interspecies for chil [00:14:00] fertility children, , through IVF clinics like the moon blooded.

Fertility clinic, , which allows a werewolf and a human to conceive. But this to me seems pretty trivial considering that in this universe, werewolves, , look like humans most of the time and only, I don’t know, wolf out or whatever you wanna say. , Once during a lunar cycle or when they’re aroused sometimes and they turn into dogs.

, But you know, a lot of women are already do that more than if, you know, , I’m comfortable talking about. So, , that’s the, that’s the full story. There, there, there is a fertility crisis in this world, and I can see it driving the plot for a lot of women. A world where women are rare and therefore desired more than in our world.

Malcolm Collins: continue and, and get to the Nick FUTA stuff. Come on. That’s what people are here for.

Simone Collins: First, I just wanna give history to show that this is nothing new and that we’re gonna always be doing this. So, one really interesting early example, and this is sort of just when we could start documenting things well, is the Bronte Sisters, are you familiar with them?

They, they wrote books like Jane Eyre, [00:15:00] weathering Heights Yeah, yeah. In area, but they also did

Malcolm Collins: like band fiction of famous people over their era. Yeah. So I think it was a guy who fought Napoleon, right? Was something Napoleon

Simone Collins: was in their fanfic. But the, the sisters and especially Charlotte, wrote some of the earliest exam of examples of what academics consider to be fanfic.

And they centered around, not Napoleon, but the Duke of Wellington also, also known. They beat. The, yeah, the, come on, you know, history better than to, anyway, just the guy who beat Napoleon, that’s what I remember her about. But he was a major figure in, in their juvenile writings as academics, think of them.

So they, they and their brother Branwell. So it wasn’t just, just the girls developed a highly detailed imaginary world featuring kingdoms known as Ria and Glass Town, in which Wellington was often depicted as this heroic leader. In, in both their stories and the role playing games, they had little booklets and everything.

And they, they blended, of course, like real and in invented worlds, just like we see in these other fanfictions. And you’re gonna see this with Nick [00:16:00] Fuentes. And there were even like sort of fictionalized versions of, of Wellington who got slightly different names, but they were clearly based on him.

So. What happened around the death of Charlie Kirk to pivot a little bit is suddenly people started saying that there were a bunch of women on TikTok who were leftists and who were obsessed with Nick Fuentes and Katherine d who we’ve had on the podcast, who’s basically an internet historian, printed the friend, the show friend, the family.

Absolutely a brilliant person. And I love her so much. You check out her blog, default blog she was on the case which is what the best people in the world do. You gotta figure out what’s going on there and being the amazing fact finder. She is, she found actually that this Tumblr content was astro turfed.

Most of the accounts that were created that had this Nick Fuentes. Like fan girl content like Nick Fuentes voice overlays with women dancing and stuff was [00:17:00] Astros turfed or faked, or just clearly not real. And not legitimate, which is super interesting. However, she decided to dig a little bit deeper.

And then she found that there is a fan community on Tumblr and it has some spillover into like archive of of our own, which is a fanfiction site and Reddit. And she addressed this in her substack. Hello there. Welcome to the Nick Fuentes side of Tumblr. And, and so here’s what she writes of her findings.

I’m just summarizing them. We’re not gonna go through her blog post on TikTok. The search term Nick Fuentes is blacklisted. So anyone who wants to talk about him work around it by writing Nick Es or similar variations. So she is doing really like good detective. She’s like doing different key words. Yeah.

This is hard to find. You gotta find, yeah. This is deep, deep stuff here. Yeah, I love it. There wasn’t much though a phenomenon, not a widespread trend. There were a couple of ironic posts, a couple of out of pocket controversial world posts. But overall fandom wasn’t at the scale that people on X seemed to believe it is.

‘cause that’s where [00:18:00] people were talking about these Yeah. These TikTok trends. On archive of our own. Exactly 26 Nick Fuentes fan fix. I didn’t check X Discord servers or other private spaces where these communities might actually gather, which is a limitation here. And the fan fix are, are great.

I, I obviously read to you a little bit of one one. Yeah. The one you read

Malcolm Collins: from was not like poorly written. It seemed plausible in many ways. It, it seemed to capture his character pretty well in the, it was cute. Yeah. So

Simone Collins: some, some other titles of the fan fix well kind’s, your kind. They don’t love you the way I love you.

And most of them have a lot of like, warnings. Which is, which is great. Like one called Making America Great By Anonymous has warnings about graphic depictions of violence. Grape and non-con. It features Charlie Kirk, Dean Withers, Nick Fuentes gay sex, double penetration, anal sex.

Oh, there’s a whole lot of other things I can’t even say here. Okay. Okay. There are a lot of them that like, and, and this includes the fan art. That’s out there [00:19:00] on Nick Fuentes. I, I’ll share with you some of the cute fan art that’s, that’s on Tumblr and elsewhere.

Malcolm Collins: Go for, yeah, we got some, we’ve got mean Picasso fan art of us recently,

Simone Collins: like Picassoesque.

I don’t, it’s, it’s bad. I, it’s not low culture and I hate that. I want,

Malcolm Collins: it’s like standard, progressive, you know, like, here’s some

Simone Collins: chat. GPT based. Really cute. Nick Fuentes, A Fan Art of Nick Fuentes and Destiny. That is one of the most popular ships. Not the most, actually not even in the top two actually though.

Malcolm Collins: Wait, wait, wait. Well, I mean, that’s the one who everyone thinks he actually had go down on him. Destiny. Really? Oh yeah. There’s a video. Okay. Now, so

Simone Collins: tell me, yeah, tell me about like the actual gossip of, ‘cause you’ve said multiple times on this podcast. You think

Malcolm Collins: es this is one where Destiny got Nick Fuentes pregnant.

I love that.

Simone Collins: They, they call it pregnant.

Malcolm Collins: Like Nick. Oh, it’s, it’s a, it’s a thing in the Nick Fuentes community. Okay.

Simone Collins: Yeah. There’s also, well, no, there’s just, there’s a lot of words. There’s also a glossary of [00:20:00] terms. There’s also my Little Pony, Nick Fuentes. It’s clearly sketched. So there’s, there’s, there’s a broad variety of styles of Nick Fuentes fan art.

But yes, there, okay, so

Malcolm Collins: we’ll, we’ll go over quickly. The plausibility of Nick Fuentes being gay. Okay. Okay. Dive

Simone Collins: into it. Go tell me. School me.

Malcolm Collins: So there’s a few pieces of evidence that people will point to. I think that. The pieces of evidence that people often point to are very weak. And I think that there is a very strong actual piece of evidence.

Okay? Um hmm.

So the cat boy com stream date this was in 2019. Fuentes did a 10 hour live stream, was Cat Boy Comi. Okay. A right wing streamer known for dressing in cat ears and feminine attire. The interaction was playful and intimate. Hugs, cuddling, references, and Kami later claiming Fuentes was his quote unquote first kiss.

Some interpreted this as a date with Kami implying a sexual relationship in follow-up comments. Clips from the Stream show Fuentes laughing you know, not shutting down the flirtatious behavior. Fuentes said this was a casual CoLab and that nothing explicit [00:21:00] sexual sexually happened. And come’s, claims are vague, vague enough to be misinterpreted, but it appears that that’s sort of what he wanted.

This in isolation this just shows that Nick Fuentes is, is like. It shows that more often, even like growers or people on the far right are not like actively hostile to gay. Like people think, oh, he’s gonna like hate or, or, or lash out at anyone who acts in that way. And the reality is, is that most of the, the leading members of the movement, yeah, you’ll have people who have very low sort of, what am I saying here?

Like, very low self-confidence. Men are, are very, or, or they are genuinely quite afraid of coming off as gay. Mm-hmm. And they are the ones who are most likely to lash out when somebody is being overly flirtatious with them.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: If anything, I would see this as evidence that he is probably not secretly gay because I imagine if he was struggling with that he would’ve pushed back unless he was secretly same-sex attractive, but also very used to sleeping with men.

So, but we’ll get to whether, whether that is something that’s, that’s happening in just a second and what I would [00:22:00] think the evidence is of that. Okay. The next one is the gay porn stream incident. At the end of a live stream on Cozy V in 2024 a his feed kept running and played an explicit gay porn scene for 30 seconds before it ended.

30 seconds.

Simone Collins: That’s a

Malcolm Collins: really

Simone Collins: long time.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he blamed Israeli hackers. The thing is, it’s always

Simone Collins: the Israeli hackers.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It would’ve gotten

Simone Collins: away for it with it if it weren’t for those Israeli hackers. Well, and Tucker had

Malcolm Collins: previously called him a gay kid who lives in his parents’ basement. But Nick Fuentes provided backend proof of a hack screenshot and messages.

Okay. And no forensic analysis, although no forensic analysis, confirmed tampering. So I, I would say this seems pretty believable to me that this was, was a hack. The next one here, I’d say the destiny sex tape. A leaked video surface showing a man that resembled streamer destiny performing oral on an unidentified white man with a slim build.

It tied back to a 2022 stream with Fuentes Guest on Destiny Show, [00:23:00] making flirty comments on the show interpreted it as mutual sex attraction. Joking about intimacy speculation exploded that Entas was a recipient. The, the video timing matches tis 2022 visit to Destiny X Post. Mm-hmm. And articles fueled it with users noting destiny’s blue hair in the clip versus the brown hair he had during the visit.

But claiming voices and builds match. The, the, this is one of those things that’s partially true. It turned out it was destiny giving head to some guy. But Destiny said it was not Fuentes. And Fuentes says it’s not Fuentes. So. I don’t, I don’t see, I mean, destiny may feel like I should lie to protect him because it will matter.

You know, this is something we did and he’s not out. And, you know, there’s this whole thing about outing people on the left, maybe. Maybe I don’t see it as super strong evidence. Then he, there’s things where Fuentes has said things like having sex was women is gay, a 2022 clip? You know, so, and he, he, he said a lot that just like, and I don’t understand his logic on this.

I’m probably go into why he believes this. I’m sure [00:24:00] there is some like logic here that, that sex outside of marriage is, is, is, I think functionally gay is, is his perspective here. So, as to whether or not I think he is actually gay. The, the, the problem is for me was Nick, is there are fan communities of girls dedicated to him, right?

And yet he claims to be an incel. And not only that, there’s not even ever, and I’m talking ever a single confirmed instance of him dating a girl. Really? Yeah. He, he’s never been confirmed dating someone. Now I don’t, for those of you who have never been in like a male body, like if you’re a woman, like just having a lot of power and having never dated someone, that may not seem like a weird thing to you, right?

Yeah.

Simone Collins: But also, I mean, my, my initial, I guess, woman reaction is. He’s super busy. He’s always on these, like doing these live feeds and stuff. Like I can’t blame him for not [00:25:00] getting out there. That is

Malcolm Collins: irrelevant. A guy can always find time to hook up. Yeah. No, the, the, the reality of the situation is, is that if you are a guy, and many of the, the watchers of this show are men unless you’re just like explicitly asexual, which is rarer than being gay if you have a, a lot of fans and a lot of status within any community mm-hmm.

There are going to be attractive girls who are just like slavishly into you. Right. And like no guy turns that away. There. There’s gonna be girls who will do whatever you want. Like if Nick Fuentes wanted a girlfriend, he could have a girlfriend, he has the status, he has the visibility, and he has the fan base for him to.

Not just like, maybe he got in a lot of failed relationships, but to have never successfully had any relationships. That to me indicates that he’s not even trying in the first place, which indicate, especially when you consider, like you could say, well, it’s out of line with his values. No, his values are like saving white [00:26:00] people in Catholics.

Right. Given the uniquely low fertility rates in the Catholic population, you think that he’d be wanting to go out there and have kids. And yet he’s not doing that. To me that is a very difficult thing to explain.

Mm-hmm. However.

I also have a rumor, well, because I know a lot of people in the right wing influencer space that may explain this in a way that his fans may not want it explained, and the people who want the lure ness of a gay relationship would want it explained.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Nick Fuentes actually sleeps around all the time. He just pretends to be an incel. And at least they, from what I heard, this was true of younger Nick Fuentes. And that the whole incel framing of his personality is sort of a larp he made up when he decided to try to become like a conservative influencer.

Like, I’m gonna appeal to incel, so I’m gonna pretend to be incel. And that actually makes, that makes sense. A lot of sense. If you look at his personality his appearance, he’s not an unattractive guy. And he, and he is very you know, like he’s, he’s obviously good at flirting. He could do it with men without, [00:27:00] like, for me, the thing that makes me think he’s almost certainly not gay is he.

Comfortable with male flirting and gay guys who are trying to suppress to that or hide that typically attempt to hide that behavior. Totally. Yeah. Like they’re, they’re very sensitive to it guys who like,

Simone Collins: no, he’s, yeah, he seems unapologetic in his whatever.

Malcolm Collins: And they, and people would be like, oh, you really think Nick Fuentes would like lie to be Yes, of course.

He would like his whole thing’s an act like you, you guys are aware of this, right? Like, he’s, he’s, he’s not really about and, and this is for me, the, I’ve always said my biggest problem was, was Nick Fuentes as an influencer is he will make demands that clearly don’t even serve his own stated objective.

Hmm. Like I can’t support the right anymore because Donald Trump chose like a mixed race running mate. Right? I’m sorry. A a a running mate in a mixed race marriage. Right. Like. He, he’s like, I won’t vote for this. I don’t want my followers to [00:28:00] vote for this. Like, that was one of his big complaints, right?

Mm-hmm. And, and. If we actually like the broader right, actually capitulated to what we need to, to get the grope or vo vote, we, we would never be able to win general elections and therefore his actual agenda would be less likely to be achieved.

So it must mean that he doesn’t actually hold this agenda.

He’s just fronting is holding this agenda. And sort of parasitizing right wing communities. For personal aggrandizement and fame. And I see that as a really negative thing. Especially as like somebody who’s like, , when you enter a community, you know, even if you enter it as a joke or whatever at first, which I think for him a lot of this was that community has helped him a lot.

Like it has helped him grow his, his fan base and everything like that. And even if he’s just like effing with the right wing and attempting to manipulate the, the wider right wing circle, like, , he should at least have like the personal honor to not do stuff that sandbags [00:29:00] elections for us.

And yet that, that appears to be his goal. Which I I mean, he’s spoken nicely about us. I don’t have like a strong negative opinion. Like, he seems like a chill dude. I just wish that he would consider more that like. It’s not just about his personal fame, it’s about achieving the objectives that he says he cares about, like, lowering the number of abortions or, you know, preventing anti-white racism or restoring a degree of sanity to our country in our, in our you know, inter international relations.

There’s been some recent stuff of, Matt Walsh being like, well, everyone on the right is on the same side. You know, we never should attack anyone else on the right. And, Brett Cooper did a video of this, and she had the. Same opinion. And I think that where I am okay with drawing the line and giving more direct criticism to people on the right is if they go out there and tell their voters to actively vote against the rights interest or not vote in election cycles. which a number of white [00:30:00] wingers have done because these are individuals who you are handing. Power and legitimacy to who are undermining our combined goals. And if you’re like, well, you know, it’s a different of opinion, or they may really, think that we shouldn’t vote in this election cycle for X, y, and Z reason, I’m like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Nick Fuentes says he believes that, Life starts the conception. So abortion is a literally murder. So we are literally going through like an active genocide campaign in the United States, and he’s willing to throw away those babies’ lives. From his perception, over something as silly and obviously unwilling to win elections as mixed race marriage.

Um, like this is, this is either he doesn’t believe that either. He doesn’t believe that children are actually being killed, due to his decisions. He just doesn’t care that children are being killed due to his decisions, and that to me is somewhat more horrifying. It is more horrifying to me if he [00:31:00] is being honest and willing to throw away the lives of countless infants for his personal ego.

I.

I will also note here, because I think that this is unusual for people is the reason why a lot of people have a problem with Dick Fuentes is the antisemitism stuff, and I think you should be able to have a conversation about anything. Like I have no problem with Candace Owens. While she might have some antisemitic perspectives, , I think that she approaches them from the perspective of genuine if hair-brained investigation and belief.

, Whereas with Nick Fuentes, he, . Attacks things from a perspective that I, I think just do nothing but hurt our own party, right? Like, it’s just like, oh, , a fight alongside this person who randomly shoots his own soldiers. It’s like, well, there’s a certain point where you need to be like, well, he does keep.

Randomly shooting soldiers or telling people not to vote in elections, right? Like that’s a big issue. , And it’s something that I don’t think he’s, he’s really, uh, you know, recanted or anything like that. And so it’s something that we should [00:32:00] expect from him again. Uh.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway, continue.

Simone Collins: I think part of the reason why he’s captured the imagination, however, of these young women is because he. Invests as much as he does in just being a personality. So in, in this case, his greatest vice per your perspective, actually turns out to be his greatest virtue or the thing that feeds Yeah, I’ll say we have had no fanfictions

Malcolm Collins: about us yet.

Simone Collins: That’s, well, we don’t, like, we don’t really feed into his cinematic university. Oh, you had a

Malcolm Collins: fan fiction written about you once, but it was a long time ago in your previous period of fame as the head marketer at HubPages.

Simone Collins: Wait, it, it was more a fanfiction about HubPages in general, like Yeah, I, I I worked for a content website.

Yeah. Where, I mean, because the, the people who were power users of this website became very, very familiar with every single staff member of the role that they played. They ended up mailing a physical screenplay to our offices in, in which [00:33:00] they. As their like Selfer character visited our offices and we were there.

And in the screenplay it was What happened to you in the screenplay? I, you know, I didn’t even read. I, I, like, I don’t, I, I guess I didn’t care enough to, to know what, I never,

Malcolm Collins: my self interest is too high. I, I can’t, it was printed. I

Simone Collins: couldn’t control f it, so what’s the point? You know, like I don’t read physical things anymore.

Who does? But I heard a comment.

Malcolm Collins: Struck the office at the end of it or something.

Simone Collins: Maybe. Yeah. I, I, I don’t remember.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Continue, continue. But

Simone Collins: yeah. So, what Catherine D did find when she went on Tumblr was and, and, and Surface was. One, particularly artistically and well assembled fan blog about Nick Fuentes.

That really helps to bring together this nexus of the extended spiderweb of Nick Fuentes fan journalism. And it is, [00:34:00] it is a thing of true beauty. And it’s it’s, it’s, her name is Naline. It, it, it is her blog on Tumblr and it is where she provides a wealth of resources on Nick Fuentes and just fangirl out Adam.

So it features a lot of things. It, it features resources for Nick Victorians because that is what they call themselves on, on Tumblr, and they’re different. They’re not gr pets, which is the term for female groupers. They are Nick Victorians. Okay. So they’re not like fans of his ideology. Yes. They, they typically don’t, they actually, they don’t talk about politics at all in any of this material that I’ve reviewed.

No politics. It is all interesting, the shipping, the fan fiction. He’s so cute. Look at his little hoodie. Look at his little belly. Like I, I’m telling you man. It’s very interesting. She also has so her, she, [00:35:00] her her one really good jumping off point ‘cause she links to a lot of other people’s content.

And this is where it’s clear that like there are a number of people who are actively contributing to this fan community. She, she has her resources for new Nick Dorians including Key Tumblr posts such as guys, Nick Fuentes has been accused of hooking up with an analysis. An analysis. Yes. And it is.

It is a detailed, it’s a detailed analysis. What else other, other things, Nick, did you come away

Malcolm Collins: thinking that any of them were plausible when you went into the analysis or,

Simone Collins: I mean, just as plausible as what you said, you know, but yeah, like, yeah, that plus tons of images. Another, the Nick Fuentes side of Tumblr information post there’s also qui parades, Nick Fuentes three piece essay and Nick being Violent compilation and Nick Fuentes Kiwi Farms Health Thread summary.

And there are also links to his TV and movie appearances and his Kiwi farm threads [00:36:00] and much, much more. Like I’ve, I don’t, honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with a fan community cataloged as obsessively and in such great detail. And honestly, there’s not that much. Nick Fuentez comment out there.

I mean, like content he has, like, he’s made appearances on other people’s streams. Those are like very well documented. And Oh, people

Malcolm Collins: love that. Yeah. Yeah. You have him over here do a flirty podcast, really confuse people.

Simone Collins: That would be amazing. Nick, if you ever hear of us or see this, you are very, he knows what he talked about us before.

He was the first. He like saw, he saw something about us and someone, or someone who was on his stream mentioned us and he was like, yeah, they’re fine. I’m, I’m not gonna get involved with them. ‘cause then I’ll, I’ll sully their, their reputations or something like that, which is, I guess, nice of him. Really cool.

I mean,

Malcolm Collins: he, again, he’s like smart enough to understand what he’s doing and I, I, I like if I’m gonna be generous, what he could be trying to do is move the Overton window around acceptable [00:37:00] discussions. Mm. Which is okay, I guess. You know, you, you’ve gotta spend at least somebody’s reputation around doing that.

Like, maybe, maybe.

Simone Collins: So also included in, in NA’s resources, this Amazing Tumblr Nick Dorian. She links to outside sources, including things that she’s created, like I just sent you on WhatsApp, her Pinterest page in which she has created quite a few Pinterest pin boards of Nick Fuentes related stuff like Nick Dorian memes and af fan art.

And her, her various like shipping,

Malcolm Collins: you know, he is kind of

Simone Collins: cute. Like I can see like, well, the way she frames him, it’s very flattering. I mean, like, I, I love it. She also has created the official next Victorian dictionary which includes a lot of things things that I, like you, you can infer that Nick’s story means a combination of the words Nick and history and that Nick storys are, you know, but also [00:38:00] like just to show how one young these people are and, and their context clue in here and how extensive their, their research is.

Ancient Nicktory is referred to as super old Nick lore, anything pre 2019, which to me just seems like yesterday.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And yet

Simone Collins: for her that’s like, well that’s really old Nick Lore. Like, so there are a bunch of other things. So obviously gr Per is a male fan of Nick, but GR Pet is a female fan of Nick Gr Purr is a non-white fan of Nick.

Nick Dorians, she refers to as specifically the Tumblr community of people of all walks of the political spectrum, but are usually leftist who are interested in Nick Fuentes. Nick Blur, which is a combination of Nick and Tumblr, is another term used to describe the Tumblr Nick Community Fetus Nick.

A tag used for Nick Media photos and video related to anything pre 2019 Gay Fuentes tag used for. When you want to post something about Nick Fuentes being gay, cute Fuentes tag used for when you wanted to post something about Nick Fuentes being [00:39:00] endearing or cute. What else is there? There’s, there’s so much Nick story, voodoo magic term used for whenever the Tumblr fandom speaks something accurately into existence or manifest something to happen, like maybe him showing up on someone else’s feed.

Yeah, it’s a ethnic combination of the words ethnic and nick. Oh God. Pine fat, pine fat mix of the name, pine, sap, and fat Pine. SAP is fat. Is that just another user? It must be, yeah. There’s, there’s just, there’s a ton popular

Malcolm Collins: user in this community.

Simone Collins: And then there’s, there’s a whole separate section in her dictionary.

I don’t even, this is, it’s long. I have to scroll to get to the bottom of it, of just ship or duo names. So shipping for those unfamiliar with the fanfiction world. Shipping is relation shipping. When you, when you take two characters and you say, now kif and you want them to get together and you get really excited about it.

Here are two examples. Oh, the one that [00:40:00] NAS, who I now deeply admire, who has this, this Tumblr blog that she compiles, like the best of academic anthropologists. She’s all about Nick and Keith Woods. Do you know who he is? I’ve never heard of him before. No, Keith Woods, whose real name is Keith O’Brien is a prominent Irish, far right commentator and activist, known for his strong views on nationalism, immigration, and identity politics.

Apparently he merged as a significant feature in the online far right, and only recently after Elon Musk acquired X. So then, you know, all the band dissident voices could, could return. And he grew his, his follower base to 150,000 followers on X by late 2023. There’s, there’s fan fiction in which this ship really inspired NAS and a bunch of other people to really love the idea of this.

There’s also a separate person on Tumblr who has created a [00:41:00] dedicated Keith Woods fan blog. And I, I wanna be clear that like this shows, by the way,

Malcolm Collins: wait, who’s, so Keith Woods is the far right guy, and now there’s fanfiction about him.

Simone Collins: Huh. And so this, this goes to show that like there are these cinematic universes, and it’s not just about one person, but it’s often about a genre of person.

And the theme here is that this is, this is indeed mostly left-leaning women who are into these very like, far right guys. And I, I think the reason why they’re into them specifically is that they are politically so different and they, they really don’t care about the politics at all. They care about the fact that they’re like bad boys by their political standard.

Well,

Malcolm Collins: and they are, and I, I, I’d admit that the Nick Fuentes character, if, if you’re unfamiliar with like the stuff he gets up to one, I think it’s pretty cool that he was able to like, be around Right-Leaning people who are like flirty or whatever, and not, you know, even with destiny and not like throw like a, a, a [00:42:00] fit about it.

Right. You know? Yeah.

I think it’s pretty cool the way that he used to love to photo bomb leftist journalists. Yes. So that those images where it looks like they were being chummy at a party uhhuh, he would like release them like a few years later or whatever. Amazing. Yeah. And it would like destroy their career, ruin their careers.

Yeah. Back when it’s the funniest. I I, that’s hilarious. Well, and it’s such

Simone Collins: a great way to, to leverage that like, political infection concept that so rotted the, the left’s mind that like, if you’re in the same room, if you breathe the same air as this white supremacist, you are by proxy now a white supremacist.

Yes. I heard

Malcolm Collins: he went to a part, I heard they spoke at a conference where X person attended is what people will say about us. And it’s like we don’t, what do you want it to do? Like run out of the room when we see it? Apparently

Simone Collins: that’s

Malcolm Collins: what you’re supposed to do, right? Like, just go, start screaming in the middle