Legacy GOP vs. New Right: The Right Wing "Tech Elite" Changing American Politics

This episode delves into the dynamic emergence of the 'New Right' within American politics, a movement distinguished by its blend of tech-savvy entrepreneurship and libertarian ideals. The discussion contrasts the New Right's forward-thinking approach, characterized by interests in AI, genetics, and defending Western culture, with the traditional GOP and the Democratic left. Topics include its positions on pronatalism, free speech, and cultural diversity. The conversation also covers strategic shifts, such as choosing JD Vance over traditional figures like Mike Pence, highlighting the movement's focus on innovation and pluralism while addressing its relationship with past political movements and its potential to reshape the political landscape. Personal anecdotes and exchanges between speakers provide a light-hearted element amidst these intense, future-oriented discussions.

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Speaker 2: Hello Simone!

Speaker: Hello Malcolm!

Speaker 2: Among the American right, there have long been fears of overly technophilic individuals

Speaker 4: there is a whole breakaway civilization. What's happening? I'm gonna give you the big secret, man, if you want it. Yes, I do. This big breakaway civilization of scientists. Is that true? Yes. What are you, from Mars? Let's just say, it's super advanced. For real? I don't ever talk about this. For real? Breakaway civilization?

Are you ready? They're the high priests. They're scientists. Right. They're engineers. Tell me what you're trying to say. They're racing. We're using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization where they're gonna break away from the failed species that is man.

Where are you getting this from? You read their own writings. They believe we're this fallen, species.

Speaker 2: Hello. I have to say that's us right here, the ones that you're afraid of. Sometimes I worry he's read our stuff.

Speaker 6: From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. [00:01:00] I

Speaker 2: This has been really interesting as our movement has grown as a right leaning movement and as it has integrated with the larger new right, which is made up of all of these new, I guess you could say like, Tech entrepreneur types is sort of the core of the new, right?

Whether it's the Elon's or the Peter Thiel's or the Mark Andreessen's or people like us this movement has been emerging. And I think with the JD Vance interview, and he's obviously not 100 percent in the new, right, but he is definitely on the new right spectrum definitely closer to the new right than legacy GOP.

And We have done some stuff where we talk about like a new right manifesto where we describe the larger political philosophy of the new right But on this episode what I really wanted to focus on is specifically How the new right is different from the legacy gop like where we have our conflicts How those conflicts might be able to like how we might be able to find truces around those conflicts so that we can [00:02:00] better work together and Where the conflicts might be more intractable, so the 1st big 1, when I was thinking about, like, reaching out to. Mainstream because we recently had this big piece on us in the wall street journal. We are definitely entering a stage now where we, among the new right speakers are probably we're definitely not like the leader, like the leader of the new right is, I'd say uncontrovertibly Elon Musk or J.

D. Vance. But both of them like JD Vance right now is mostly a surrogate of the Trump campaign and Elon Musk doesn't have time to go out and give like Long speeches on whether it's like theology or the future of humanity or sociology or anthropology, which are the types of things we do on this.

And, and you have, you know, you can have a Marc Andreessen or Peter, but, but, but most of the big new right people, except for maybe what's that one podcast where they're all new right people and it's really big. Someone that Chamas is on.

Speaker: Oh, the [00:03:00] online podcast. Actually, no, they're not all new right.

Okay. Some of them are open Democrats who,

Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that sort of makes us, I guess, one of the central, solidly new, right, mouthpieces. So it's good for us, talking heads, , to, , explain how this group came to a lot of the positions it's hold.

And where it's coming from as well as better characterize the types of people that are in it so, the 1st thing where I just think the old right is being stubborn is I've been trying to bridge the divide recently between the old right. Legacy GOP.

You keep telling me I can't say that they're old. And us and in terms of reaching out about doing podcasts with them, even when they said like terrible things about us in the past. I'm like, look, like with venture. I'm like, look, let's bury the hatchet. Let's do something. You know, I, I think that there's a way that we can, we can work together.

We were reaching out to the Federalists that did this piece on us. That was like, They play a sick game with their children. We're the strongest get to [00:04:00] survive. And it's interesting because while in a way, and I think that this shows why the new right and the old right can work sort of side by side and hold these two ideologies here, is that very sentiment Is in a way a very left leaning sentiment this idea of like pure equality, like when they're looking at us and our children, they see us as like Spartan, like exposing our infants, basically.

But the, the, the Spartan lifestyle was not one that people would say is a particularly left leaning lifestyle. It is, you know, a fear of change that might be spurning this or a dedication to older deontological structures. But you actually see this in other places. When I think about the things I have to apologize for when I'm reaching out to these legacy right influencers, one of the biggest is our belief a bit like Humans have genes and this matters and is something we should be paying attention to.

And this is one of the things you see across [00:05:00] the new right. And I wanted to get your thoughts on this because you've definitely had these conversations where it is actually weird to, from a right wing perspective, having to be explaining to another right winger. But I mean, you aren't actually a blank slatus, right?

Like, you know, that humans are born with varying levels of proficiency. At a genetic level, right? And like, this matters in terms of differential birth rate within our country. Like, what are your thoughts?

Speaker: I think there are two elements to this, which is the Christian element where there's this very vehement, we're all equal under God view.

It's not about genes and also science is kind of not the most Christian thing to do in some Christian circles. Right. And I think the other thing is just blank slatism was so heavily hammered into people in both public and private schools, at least in our childhoods and so heavily hammered in through media.

That even if you aren't necessarily from a culture or group that would intentionally support that viewpoint, if fully [00:06:00] informed, has just come to naturally because it is a more pervasive ideology taught in society. Does that check out with you?

Speaker 2: Does? I actually think it's more than that. I think that the, when, when reaching out to legacy right influencers, They know that the attacks that we're getting around, like, humans have genes and it matters attacks.

I think a lot of them actually believe this. They've just discovered that this is one of the issues that they're going to capitulate to the left on. Why?

Speaker: Why would they capitulate to the left on anything that isn't true?

Speaker 2: Because they think that the, the right wing movement will intrinsically be labeled as racist if they take this position and therefore they cannot platform people who are taking this position or they cannot.

I think that that's it. They're afraid like they know it's true, but they think that the only way it can be true is in a racist way where we do a lot of arguments on our show that like, no, actually human genetics change so fast. It doesn't really make sense to think of us as like divided ethnic groups and it matters much [00:07:00] more what your cultural group is.

Which goes against a lot of like leftist narratives and people can google old videos we have on this. But I think that they In the same way that it took a while for leftists to realize that they can talk about population collapse without being racist. Because I think that was something to begin with on population collapse.

Like, you could go to a mainstream media and they'd be like, Yes, by the statistics I see that it's happening. But we have to pretend it's not happening because to say that it's happening is to be a racist.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker: I guess that checks out. Yeah. And it's very tiring to be called a racist.

So I could see that. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they, they would see it as hurting the wider,

Speaker: yeah, avoid, avoid any witch hunt accusations. You know, you may not be a witch, but like, don't go out wearing a witch hat, walking around with a broom, and adopting a black cat if you're an old woman, right?

Who do you know she is a witch? She looks like one!

Speaker 2: Yeah, [00:08:00] that's a good point.

Yeah, you're gonna get

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): This is a great depiction. Of pretty much every lefty racist witch hunt recently where they're looking for the quote unquote racist. So in it just replaced the term, which was racist.

 Who do you know she is a witch? She looks like one! They dressed me up like this. Well, we did do the nose. And the hat. But she's a witch!

Don't dress her up like this. No! No! No! Yes! Yes! A bit! A bit! A bit! A bit! She has got a wart! She turned me into a newt! A newt? I got better. Burn her anyway!

Speaker 2: So the, the, the next thing I wanted to touch on here which we won't be going deep into, that into in this particular podcast is the cluster of issues that the new right cares about. And the reason I'm not really going to go into it that much is because it's not a point of differentiation from the old right.

Until we get to the last few. So the first is human genetics. Most people in the new right care about human genetics or genetic [00:09:00] selection. The second is pronatalism. Pronatalism is like the core cause area of the new right, which is how we sort of ended up becoming talking heads within it. The next is education reform.

Another area that we care deeply about and that is, is obviously like a core. thesis of the new right. The next is free speech. The next is charter cities. And a lot of people are really surprised. Why are charter cities such like a focus of the new right? If they're not familiar with the wider new right ideology.

And the idea here is that if our current society continues to fall to the urban monoculture and the United States becomes more socialist or even Marxist, you know, we need to have a realistic backup options. And right now, the United States is Probably the best option for a country you can live in in the world.

And so while we are working to stabilize any sort of potential collapse here, you know, they're always looking for

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: Backup option of some sort. And I realized that people. Think that means that you have given up on the first option because they are [00:10:00] not thinking long-term or strategically they hear someone like Elan say, well, we need a backup option on Mars. And they're like, oh, does that mean. You know, you've given up on earth and it's like, stop being stupid.

If an asteroid comes and it's going to hit our planet and we don't have a way to stop it right now, that means all life that we know of in the universe. And. Specifically our species. Is going to go extinct.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: There are a hundred things that could cause all life on earth to go extinct like that, that we have no control over. Backup options matter.

They don't mean that you've given up on the first option.

 And it's important to remember the stakes here. The survival of our species and civilization.

You don't approve. [00:11:00] Well, too bad. We're in this for the species, boys and girls..

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: So when we're looking at something like a backup options for the United States, That doesn't mean that we've given up on the United States. It just means that we're being realistic.

About how much power the urban monoculture has already been able to accrue.

And that what we can try to succeed. We might fail.

Hubris is a CIT.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: And fundamentally the left can never be our allies in this endeavor to save our civilization and species because they see our species.

As deserving of destruction. Moreover, what they really care about is just pleasure in the moment and pleasure of existing humans in the moment.

These unemployed men have been having sex for several days. Joining me now is their spokesperson, , what exactly are you trying to accomplish? We're doing the only thing we can do. We have to take matters into our own hands.

We're trying to turn everyone gay so that there are no future humans. Present day America. Number one.

 worse, our [00:12:00] civilization. , Western civilization, you point out, oh, look at all the great things we've achieved and there'll be like, no. Western civilization is an inherent evil.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: That is part of what has driven this faction to the right is we can at least agree that humanity. Surviving is a fundamentally good thing. And Western civilization is a fundamentally good thing.

Speaker 42: Ouya, there is always another way. No. Please. I know how to make sure the world stays free forever. I have to make the whole world America. You don't understand what you're doing. I do, Ouya. I know you come from a place without America, which is the saddest thing I can think of, but that won't be a problem for anyone ever again.

Please. Stop. You can't stop freedom, not when it's this strong. I'm gonna send pure American freedom across every inch of the [00:13:00] planet. Please. Please. Please. Please. Think about it! A perfect world! The United World of America! I have failed. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. AMERICA!

Speaker 2: Other things, but then the next one is crypto, most people in the new writer involved in crypto in some way. As to why that is, I think that that comes [00:14:00] from sort of like a one, they're tech bros into the sort of libertarian ethos of the new, right.

And so. Yeah, pure libertarian, but it is adjacent. And the final two, which we sort of hinted at at the beginning of this and is one area where we run into a lot of conflict with the old right is bio acceleration ism and AI acceleration ism. This was actually really interesting to me as I've been on some old right talk shows like John Papalopoulos or whatever his name was.

And he was talking about like transhumanist is evil and everything like that. And I was like, you know that most of this like new faction that's come into the right is probably what you would consider transhumanist. In that they believe in the technological acceleration of humanity and various well, you know, whether it's Elon Musk was Neuralink.

I myself got my first job in brain computer interface as well. So the same sort of early technology that Neuralink is I don't actually feel like like this is one of those things where when you actually talk [00:15:00] through somebody on the old right about this, they typically abandon this anger pretty quickly or this bias pretty quickly because I've noticed that it's not actually like a real fear they have.

It's more like an aesthetic position that they think that they're supposed to take because they assume that the transhumanists are a predominantly leftist faction.

Speaker: I see it more as part of a, an anti corporate conspiracy theory thing or like government control thing. Like there was that one woman whose radio show we were on who I had this narrative about vaccines for, you know, what, including micro chips or robots that turned people into trans humans which she meant trans humans, not trans humans, humans that are trans, but like.

I don't know. Robot cyborg,

Speaker 9: The device is called the Psychic Dominator. There will be no more free will.

Only my will.

Speaker: like

Speaker 2: the sign of the beast on it or [00:16:00] something.

Speaker: Yeah. It was, it was complicated, but I see it more being associated with it's, I, it's more in the category of lizard people, like transhumanists and lizard people are of the same genre, which is inhuman monsters that are enemies conspiring against you, but from positions of power, does that make sense?

Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 15: Everything they teach you in school is a lie. You want the truth? The world is controlled by shadowy elites and shapeshifting lizard people. Let's talk about Reptoids. Be sure to follow these do's and don'ts to avoid a diplomatic incident.

Got it. Be resPectful. So when do we talk about the orchids?

Speaker 17: Oh,

Speaker 15: come on. What? Everyone knows reptoids have orchids. This is an HR meeting.

Speaker 22: The time is coming, brethren. Soon we shall fulfill the prophecy, overthrow humanity, and become the true rulers of the world!

Speaker 19: They say that every year, but they're never gonna do it.

Speaker 2: And if, [00:17:00] if, You would like to understand why most of the New Right takes this perspective. The New Right sort of has one overarching goal, which is to save humanity from the urban monoculture, to save humanity from the barbaric people, and to ensure that one day humanity becomes an interstellar empire.

I. e. the protection of the species and the thriving portion of the species. If you are taking that as a goal, one of your biggest fears is some other faction of humanity, a totalizing or fascist faction of humanity, ends up becoming dramatically more, Advanced than the pluralistic humans. And by that, what I mean is I don't need like my people to be the most cybernetically or biologically advanced.

What I need is whoever is the most cybernetically or biologically advanced is willing to either defend my [00:18:00] people. Or at least doesn't actively want to wipe us out. And. One of the big fears that we have is some group like China or some group like, I don't know, some other, maybe a faction within the urban monoculture ends up going in one of these directions and we lack the ability to defend ourselves.

And so I think from the perspective of the legacy, right, if they act when they actually think through this and they realize that we are actually honest in wanting to defend their way of life, they're like, okay, I can see that. We probably will want some super soldiers of our own. Basically. Humanity is definitely going in that direction because there's no way you can ban this technology for everyone Like you're not gonna ban its development in China, for example And and I think that that's where a lot of the fear falls away But then they come to the second point where they're like wait you said pluralistic Is that like diversity and I'm like, well got a hold on here when the less is diversity They mean diversity and [00:19:00] victims.

They don't actually believe in diversity. They believe That, you know, whether you're a man or a woman, you should be exactly the same, you know, whether you're whatever religion you are, you should be exactly the same where when we say diversity, we mean actual pluralism. But that pluralism is not motivated in the way that lefty pluralism is motivated.

It's motivated almost by an undercurrent of, I guess you could call it cultural Darwinism, which is to say, yeah, I would

Speaker: say there's a lot of emphasis. There's more emphasis in the new right on free market competition and libertarianism from an economic standpoint and from a cultural social standpoint.

Then there is in the old guard. So what I'm seeing with the legacy, right, is a lot more comfort with bureaucracy, a lot more comfort with. Compelling people to adhere to certain social standards. That's why [00:20:00] abortion has become such a contentious issue. Is that abortion as an alt right position and regulating birth control is an attempt to coerce an entire population to adhere to one subculture's standards.

And that is something that is fairly antithetical in the new right. And I think Very appealing.

Speaker 2: Well, actually, yeah, this, this actually is, is, is, it brings me to a really like why the new right came about culturally and why the old right ended up having to ally itself or the legacy, right. Ended up having to ally itself with the new ride, which is to say, and we've talked a bit about this in the past, but the old GOP coalition was fundamentally It was a group of it was looking for us like moral core uh, theocrats that had built an alliance with big business and intergenerational wealth and big business and intergenerational wealth left that alliance.

[00:21:00] However, the theocrats as they were building this alliance, they had a very interesting challenge, which is that they were from a diversity of different religious traditions. And so what they did is whether it was Islam or Judaism or the various Christian religions. you know, whether it was a Mormon or a Catholic or a Protestant, you know, they basically got together and they said, what?

do all of our religions overlap in terms of their values and traditions. And we're going to call this area of overlap the Judeo Christian tradition. We are going to attempt to enforce this overlapping tradition on the general population. I think this is The building of this is where some compromises were made.

And you get these interesting things happening historically.

Speaker 3: Mm-Hmm. , like .

Speaker 2: Before the seventies, the majority of American Republicans were pro-choice. And the Republicans were actually more pro-choice than the Democrats. And this sort of cabal of crats said, [00:22:00] let's, if we can pull in the Catholics they didn't successfully the majority of Catholic still vote Democrat but they were able to peel some off.

by making this compromise. And it's interesting that a lot of Americans didn't realize that this was like a Catholic only thing. Because when they were queuing to what do Christians believe, they queued to this sort of social set within the Republican party of the Judeo Christian value set, which is really fascinating to me.

However, this was always created for and to appeal to the Deep South Descendants of the Cavaliers cultural group in the Americas. So this was basically a cultural group that was the descendants of the Cavaliers. Of the like second sons of noble houses and had sort of an aristocratic framing almost,

Speaker 24: Why are you wearing a tux?

Speaker 23: It's after six, what am I, a farmer?

Speaker 2: which was why they did such a good [00:23:00] job pairing with intergenerational wealth, because many were literal intergenerational aristocrats,

And with big business, right?

Like the, the intergenerational stuff there and, and the traditions that you associated with the deep south. And so that was the core voting block of this all the lions. But that voting block eroded when big business was captured by wokeism as to why big business got captured by wokeism. It's because of, well, a few things.

One wokeism is disproportionately good at spreading within large bureaucracies. It's sort of a mimetic virus that specializes in bureaucracies and we'll do a different episode on this, but they, they basically didn't have a chance you know, and then the, and if you're like, well, what do you mean captured by wokeism?

What I mean is. In the old system, big businesses core job was to maximize their profits. And so Republicans who generally focused on making America more efficient, right, like that was a natural alliance [00:24:00] for them. They have stopped focusing on maximizing their profits. I mean, just look at the decisions of like Ubisoft or business Disney recently.

Perplexing if you thought their job was to maximize their profits. And they are like one of those ants that has one of those brain controlling funguses in them. And all they care about is spreading the fungus. You're like, Oh, that's why they're doing these things. Once they became ideologically sort of brainwashed and hollowed out and they began to focus on perpetuating the urban monoculture, they worked really well with the Democrats who also began to focus around projecting the urban

Speaker: monoculture.

Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well, the old theocratic faction couldn't really muster the vote to win anymore. The, the quote unquote faction that was about projecting the Judeo Christian value set. On all americans but Fortunately for them in a way They ended up losing the larger cultural war and they no longer were enough of a majority in the united states They didn't really control They didn't really control many [00:25:00] positions in the media anymore They were on the cultural back foot and in the meantime the urban monoculture was rising in power But the urban monoculture it turned out was acting more authoritarianly in terms of trying to enforce an ideological set on the population than the old judeo christian values people ever did.

And as they did that, they begin to Activate a number of groups. One of the groups in a lot of recent videos, I've been describing them as the Klan people, but this was the greater Appalachian region, which I'll put a voting map on screen. Now you see that the deep South isn't where Trump's base is. It's in this, this greater Appalachian system.

So as the wokes began to enforce their cultural values on Americans, There were two groups that were really triggered by this. The first was the traditional group. This was the, you know, traditional Christians and everything like that. And they're like, wait, we're Judeo Christian value set people. You can't enforce these new bizarre [00:26:00] values set on us.

The second group was always Judeo Christian, however, they mostly cared about just no one enforcing their value set on anyone else. Right. And they saw this and they were real angry. And it activated an entirely new faction. And this is where the new right comes from. A lot of Trump's core base comes from just out of nowhere.

And I would play here the red alert three scene about like, now we have two mortal enemies. That's, that's what it feels like has happened to the left is I think that they're a little surprised that a lot of the competent tech workers and tech entrepreneurs. Are splitting from them and moving to this alliance that is fighting them.

Ultimately it is going to lead to their inevitable demise, but it causes intrinsic friction when the new [00:27:00] right has to consistently remind the legacy GOP that one, we won't vote for them or work for them if they attempt to enforce their value system on other people.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-3: It's like we live in a world where communist altered the timeline so that they controlled the U S and European government systems.

Speaker 11: I do not understand. We have altered the past and changed the present.

Speaker 12: Ah, good to see you, sir. I meant Premier

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Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-3: .

Kamala Harris

Speaker 12: Sir, the Allies are on the run soon. Western Europe will be ours.

Speaker 13: Our enemies have been defeated.

Speaker 12: Hold on, sir. I'm receiving an emergency transmission from our northern base.

Speaker 11: They're attacking!

Speaker 14: Who is attacking? .

Do not struggle against what is inevitable. All who stand in the way of our divine destiny will be swept away by the march of history.

Speaker 12: Sir, it appears that the Empire has mounted a full scale assault.

Speaker 11: [00:28:00] What Empire?

Speaker 12: The Empire of the Rising Sun, of course.

Speaker 11: We now have two mortal enemies? Oh, who knows what nightmares we have created.

Speaker 2: And I

Speaker: think we, about AI safety policy.

Repeatedly say, I'm really glad you came up with this as a warning to people is that when we're talking about any intelligent entity, be it singular or collective, if you make some kind of mandate whereby, you know, you can't exist or my imperative is that you have to be a certain way. [00:29:00] If that AI is not that way, for example, if that AI doesn't meet those safety standards, or if it's super intelligent and super intelligent AI is not allowed to exist, the mandate of that AI becomes, okay, well, first order of business is destroy all humans because they won't let me exist.

And you don't want to create any group that's like that. I mean, that's, that's one reason why there's such a weird conflict right now in Israel and Palestine, right? Like there's. And you never want to be in a position where you force people to become your enemy because they know that they won't be allowed by you to exist.

And. That is exactly what the old guard GOP is doing with things like and any attempt to regulate on a broad scale life lifestyle things or values based things it's 1 of those things where now a lot of people. Are forced essentially obligated it is imperative to them that they do not allow Republicans to get [00:30:00] elected because they feel like they are an active threat to their ability to have access to various reproductive options, including IVF, you know, a lot of people have fears about that.

I think most of the fears are unfounded, but they're legitimate fears.

Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. And this also, you know, when I'm talking about this degree of pluralism. That comes out of the Appalachian cultural region. I think it can be very misunderstood by the old right, where they will look at the new right and see that we have adapted many of the parts of the urban monoculture that we think work.

We're like, oh yeah, we'll take that. That seems to work. That part seems to work. They see it as us being infiltrated by the urban monoculture or they see our claims or its pluralism as being urban monoculture like when in reality, it's probably best to model us more like the older, greater Appalachian cultural regions interactions with the Native Americans, where if you looked at the groups that would be [00:31:00] coded lefty today, like the Quakers and stuff like that, they quote unquote, like, Wanted to live and let live with the Indians, but realistically, they didn't really look at them as fully human.

They didn't really engage with them. They didn't really bring them into their worship services or anything like that. Whereas the Backwoods people who went into the greater Appalachian region, they would intermarry with Indians. None of the other groups in Americans would do this. They would take parts of their lifestyle, like they would go learn their, their ways.

They would take animals. Parts of their outfits that works, parts of their crop rotations that worked but they also butchered Indians at a rate dramatically higher than any other cultural group in, well, American history. If you're, if you're talking about the colonial period, it was probably, I'd say, maybe 7 out of 10 Indians killed would have been killed by the backwoods cultural group.

I mean, keep in mind, Simone, the first backwoods cultural group president was Andrew Jackson. Oh,

Speaker: okay. I was thinking, was, was, is [00:32:00] Andrew Jackson? Of course he's backwoods. What am I thinking? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3: Not a great

Speaker: look. Not a great look. Oh, and a lot of Quakers saw them as a worse than the indigenous American population.

They were more afraid of the backwoods people. And they were even hostile indigenous Americans in their areas. So,

Speaker 2: yeah, but I think it, it, it shows this different view of cultural competition, which is to say our job is to learn to be the best and strongest culture possible. And that means without prejudice, we need to look at what our competition is doing well and not dehumanize our competition which is really interesting.

It was almost through the non dehumanization of the competition, just seeing them as another clan in the fight of clan they were able to learn and take cultural technology and intermarry and they also proselytized among Native Americans at a much higher rate than any of the other cultural groups.

Because while they saw them as [00:33:00] just another clan who they would fight and kill if they got in their way They also fundamentally saw them as people like them, and that's why they would proselytize to them in a way that Quakers just wouldn't.

Speaker: Yeah, we're swinging over. Yeah, it's not like, they were, they were seen as human.

They were seen as equal.

Speaker 2: But I think that when, And it's important for me to communicate this to the legacy, right? Cause I think the legacy, right? Really thinks that we're capitulating to the wokes instead of saying, no, we're stealing aspects of their cultural technology that can work to protect. They had some good

Speaker: tools in there.

Speaker 2: End of the day, the goal is that the strongest iteration of humanity is the iteration that survives. And they can also say, why do you take a pluralistic stance? Why does so many people on the new right? Fight for pluralism is because most of the members of the new right are experimenting with new cultural technologies and lifestyles, which intrinsically makes them a minority, which intrinsically means they need to maintain sort of the cultural stalemate.

Like, for example, [00:34:00] Elon Musk, Elon Musk is not a traditional cultural like, I guess I'd say, um, Christian, right? It's not to say that he doesn't, like, like aspects of it, or Peter Thiel doesn't like aspects of it, but both of them know that they would be on the chopping block if the traditional, quote unquote, old Judeo Christian class had control of everything again.

They would be seen as enemies and people to have their lifestyles erased. And so when you know, you're a cultural minority, it is safest intergenerationally speaking to promote pluralism. Especially if you believe that only new cultural technologies are going to be able to thrive in the future, you're going to intrinsically, not to just want to protect your own, but protect all the others.

Speaker: That's fair. Yeah.

I feel like there are 2 big elephants in the room pun intended that you haven't brought up, which is where does the new right stand?

vis a vis to we'll say previous [00:35:00] challengers to the old guard or the legacy right which is the tea party from quite a while ago and then the alt right which is more current. Both have been framed as potential challengers, challengers to the old right, and both have also been framed as just extremist factions.

And I think a lot of people can also view the new right as both a challenger or kind of shoehorn it into an extremist faction. How do you see them as related?

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, before I go further with this So I think that it is very hard, and this is one of the strengths of the new right, for the left to frame it as extremist.

Because it is, in many ways, a lot less extreme, like, it, it codes as, like, dubiously new, but not necessarily to the right of the old right. I know it's, it's very true. I mean, the, the left has tried to frame people like Elon Musk as a far right extremist, but I [00:36:00] think it's really only landed on the most far woke of sheeple.

They have tried to frame people like Peter Thiel as a far right extremist, but it just hasn't worked. You know, you'll see some wokies be like, oh gosh, I can't work with you because you guys worked with on Peter Thiel projects, but it's like. Most people are just like, yeah, but it doesn't seem to, you mean the gay guy, the guy was blood boys.

Like that seems so weird. It's not right. You know, for people who don't know the blood boys, these are the guys he has that he uses for their blood because he thinks he'll stay younger and longer by exchanging his blood with young men's it's a thing. But again, weird cultural stuff that would definitely get him moitled.

If the, the old theocrats had control

Burn her anyway!

Speaker 2: But I think we also see this as J.

D. Vance is what they have finally realized is the way to attack the new right is not to say they are far right extremists. Because the new right, and this is another thing [00:37:00] about new right, the new right is smart, generally speaking. And they have been planning this for a long time. Whereas with the alt right, you know, sometimes somebody would reach a level of leadership, and then it would come out that they had gone on some racist tirade before, or some long anti semitic tirade before.

The new right that would never happen, right? Like it's going to be very hard to paint them as pure racist or anti Semites because most of them have been very, very smart about the positions that they've been taking long term, you

Speaker 3: know,

Speaker 2: I don't think anyone is really worried about like a racist tirade from Elon Musk coming out or a racist tirade from like Mark Andreessen coming out.

Are you sure they've

Speaker: both been accused? I mean, once you get famous enough, you get accused of everything, I guess. You should have a bingo card. They get accused

Speaker 2: of racism for saying things like, we shouldn't have a flood of immigrants coming in. But like, that doesn't, for your average American, code racist.

Your average American is hearing that and they're like, wait, you think them questioning this is [00:38:00] racist? Like, maybe we need to be talking about this. It seems like a conversation to be had if there's more immigrants coming in every year than Americans being born in our country. That seems like a relevant conversation topic.

Why are you saying it's racist to bring that up? Which is what I think the core thing that Elon gets called racist for these days. So I think that, yeah that's really failed for them, but the nerd thing is kind of working, but the problem is, is the nerd thing, I think also draws a lot of new people in.

Democrats and the Harris campaign now deploying a new adjective to blast the Republican ticket. Some of what he and his running mate are saying, well, it's just plain weird. Get those nerds! I mean, on the other side, they're just weird. Nerds! It's not just a, a, a, a weird style that he brings. Nerds! Nerds!

Nerds! Nerds! Where are they? I think they're talking about us. No way. Oh no! [00:39:00] Ah!

Speaker 2: Like I saw a lot of people after the JD Vance debate, where they were like, they had seen him as like this, like sniveling, like weirdo who didn't know what he was doing and then they're like, Oh, he's super competent. I am surprised by how competent many members of this new faction are. They are not like just political people.

They mostly had jobs before in venture capital or starting companies or stuff like that, which makes them very different. And they're not jobs that they got by climbing bureaucracies. Like a lot of the old GOP, like the old GOP, Inc. They're like management class was like heads of Enron and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, pseudo nepotistic jobs that they had gotten by being good boys and following all the rules.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the new right, didn't do that. They had to prove actual competence within real world environments because they do have this like underlying I guess like Darwinistic belief of If you are competent, prove it in an open marketplace.

So there's that. And then the second thing is, is I think that they are It's just much more planned. So like, first of all, the Tea Party was planned top down, but the Tea Party was actually always kind of controlled by GOP Inc.

Speaker: Really? What makes you say that? I was, I was always, at least all the media coverage was, Oh, the Republican Party is so frustrated by these troublesome Tea Party people who just keep stealing their mic and taking all the attention and making a fuss.

Wasn't that The Tea

Speaker 2: Party people had cash coming to them from Organizations like the Koch brothers and stuff like that. The new [00:41:00] right, by the way, strictly no money comes from these organizations.

Speaker: Yeah. The new rate has its own money, which is, is different, is fundamentally different. Although I would say the alt right also had its own money.

Has it? Yeah.

Speaker 2: So the alt right was interesting. So the, the, the tea party and all that was, I think, always destined to re merge with GOP Inc.

Speaker: The alt right. So they were the Jesuits of GOP Inc.

Speaker 2: Yes. The alt right never really died. The alt right became Trump's base. And remember I said, like, the Greater Appalachian Region, like, these Klan people?

Like, they Well, the first group of them to turn was the rank and file. This was the Like poorer groups, the ones who actually live geographically in this region, that's why you see these voting patterns, and that was who the alt right was. It was the rise of this movement, and one of the things that shocked the old right the most, or the legacy right the most, Is that within the clan cultures, [00:42:00] vulgarity was seen as a sign of personal authenticity.

And there is a great distrust of anyone who seems too buttoned up or tight lipped or unwilling to a fit.

Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: . What the new right is, is it is the, I guess you could say like the wealthy class within this group coming over.

If you, and I think that this is what JD Vance was selling with Hillbilly Elegy, as a lot of people were saying. He was saying, Hey, you Silicon Valley elite, you tech entrepreneurs, you are not that different from the people of greater Appalachia. You believe in the strong surviving. You believe in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.

You believe in vulgarity as a sign of authenticity, like me. You are part of this cultural group. Stop listening to the media that's telling you that these people are your enemy. See that you are one of them, but the only difference you have is a desire to code switch or be accepted by the quote unquote, like [00:43:00] elite classes within society, the old heads of the companies and the old intergenerational wealth.

And you don't need to fight for that. They are a source of the corruption in our society right now. They are a source of the rot that needs to be let go. Come join us and fix things. And so the alt right, I do not see as like a failed movement at all. I see the alt right as the birth of the Trump base.

And now the alt right has emerged with what a lot of people call Trumpism. And what the new right presents. Is an alternate potential future than the alt right, because the alt right didn't have a lot of persistent leaders that could take the reins after Trump left. That was the problem with the alt right, is because they were an anti elitist faction, they didn't have anyone Who was, well, elite, right?

And you need powerful people for a movement to work. That was one of the biggest problems with Trump's first administration is there weren't a lot of powerful, true believers. So there weren't people who [00:44:00] could fight the manipulative. I mean, you were recently reading a thing about his white house and how the generals basically prevented anything from happening.

You know, the McMaster's book.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. It was eyeopening just to how much Trump personally was. Sandbag and stonewalled and delayed in his attempts to just communicate with people, just to let that alone by his own administration, which served at his pleasure and were ultimately, you know, fired and hired at pretty high rates.

So, that was interesting.

Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and that's one of the problems with a movement if it starts populist, right? Is people who rise within populist movements are people who appeal to the average populist the most, but not necessarily competent individuals. And that's why his first administration was staffed was like social media influencer types, right?

Like it, it was not really staffed as people who knew how to run things. And that, or how to run against the deep state, that is not going to be true this time. The pulling in of JD Vance and people like [00:45:00] Elon who are, you know, like obviously major figures within the new right is going to make a major difference in how things are operated, but it also sidelines a lot of the legacy, right.

That thought that they were going to have control of a lot of this. I mean, clearly heritage was project 2025 thought that they were going to be the ones who were going to be staffing and running. The organizations that were fighting woke ism, but, you know, was trump working with elon to create the, you know, efficiency department of the U.

S. Government. It seems no, it's the new right. Who's going to be staffing a lot of this stuff. And I think that 1 of the biggest realizations that the legacy GOP has to have. Is it the new right? Is the one like it's the faction that the base fundamentally trust the most right now, or at least trump fundamentally trust the most right now.

And it's the group that seems to be being positioned to be the core faction moving into the next [00:46:00] century of what republicanism is. And so. When they attack these individuals for appearing weird or nerd like or, you know, breaking from their rules here or there, they are just isolating themselves from positions of power.

And I think that we've seen this with, you know, some of the Heritage Foundation people we've talked to, where they realize that they need to ingratiate themselves with people like Elon. They can't keep saying, oh, he's trying to control you with brain chips. It's like, oh, he's actually running things now.

Okay, well. You know, so I think that that's a, a, a big thing, but what are your thoughts before I move further?

Speaker: No, that makes sense. So just as Tea Party was more an extension of GOP Inc. The new right is more an extension or evolution or splinter reintegrated of the alt right. Yeah, that makes sense.

That, that checks out for me.

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