Iran Paradox: A Theocracy Built & Defended By Leftists (Understanding Why)

In this eye-opening episode, we dive deep into one of the most bizarre political phenomena of our time: How did Western leftists (and especially progressive women) once celebrate the 1979 Iranian Revolution… only for the regime they helped bring to power to later execute tens of thousands of them?

We show the iconic photo of two leftist women holding up Khomeini’s picture — one was executed 10 years later, the other fled to Sweden after escaping execution.

And shockingly — many modern leftists (Hassan Piker, Jackson Hinkle, PinkNews-aligned voices, etc.) are STILL defending or downplaying the current Iranian regime during the massive 2025–2026 protests while simultaneously claiming America is worse.

But we don’t just dunk — we try to seriously understand the psychology: audience capture, sexual/ethnic progressive hierarchies, anti-Western civilizational loathing, the “screaming girl exponential effect” (South Park style), and why atrocities against protesters (machine-gunning crowds, false-flag kill-zones, body-bag photos) simply don’t register for many on the far left.

Then comes the uncomfortable mirror: A significant faction on the dissident right (Groyper/Fuentes-adjacent) enthusiastically cheers for a vision of government that is structurally almost identical to the current Iranian theocracy — just swap “Supreme Leader + Council of Experts” for “Catholic autocracy / monarchy / inquisition / 12th century governance” and remove democracy entirely.

We go through direct quotes and show why cheering for this vision is functionally the same mistake the 1979 leftist women made.

Episode Transcript:Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. People are wondering why we haven’t done the Iran one yet, and I wanted to wait until we had a really interesting and mentally engaging take that we could do on this.

Yeah. And we are gonna be focused on two core areas today. We are going to be focused on how modern western leftists help bring in this regime. And moderate secular leftists brought this regime into power even was in Iran. And. Why they’re fighting against it falling apart. But then we’re also going to, no, if you’re, if you’re surprised by that, here is an image of two leftist girls.

You can see they look like hippies celebrating in 1979 right in holding up his picture, you know, the the current leader and the ayatollah. And it said he later had 30,000 leftists executed. And these two specific girls in this pictured the girl in front, Maria Rafi, was executed by Islamist 10 years [00:01:00] later.

And the girl at the back, Sahara Mohammed, escaped from Mar Grand and took asylum in Sweden four years after the revolution.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: And this is, didn’t work

Speaker 3: out for them.

Malcolm Collins: This is one of the types of things on our new subreddit that’s like huge now. That we need mods for. So do reach out if you’re interested in that.

Because we are now the largest conservative Reddit on Reddit, bigger than Joe Rogan, bigger than Asma Gold definitely bigger than any of the mainstream conservative ones. But I think if you look at the comments on the Reddit and stuff like that, people were laughing at this.

They were laughing at this and saying stuff like, it’s a shame that she had to escape the regime that she brought into power. And I would actually like to hold a mirror to many people on right, right now, which is being as stupid as these two girls were putting a regime into power that told them exactly what it planned to do to people like them exactly the way it wanted to operate. The other thing that we’re gonna go into a lot, which I find to be a very interesting topic to discuss is all of the [00:02:00] modern leftists, you know, whether it’s Asan or anyone else, and we’ll go over who they are, what their platforms is, like pink news and stuff like that.

Mm-hmm. Who are standing the regime right now saying the regime really isn’t that bad, that it’s worse to be in America than it is to be there. And that all of these atrocities that we’re hearing about aren’t really happening. And I find this to be very fascinating because I wanted to, like, I, I know you can gaw and point at them and say, ha ha, look at the, the idiot.

Right. Which I think a lot of people on the right are, are justly doing right now. But I also wanna be like, I, I don’t, I want to understand how this ideology works in their heads. Right. I want to understand, yeah. Like what are they

Speaker 3: saying about the pictures of body bags?

Malcolm Collins: How do they actually think?

But it’s No, but it’s not just that. It’s like, the, they were able to find endless, like the larger leftist machine was able to find. Endless atrocities in Gaza, and yet they’re literally just opening machine guns on civilians here. [00:03:00] There have been cases recently where they dress up like protestors to lead other protestors to kill zones.

Oh, what? And they do this to specifically, so descent among the protesters. ‘cause they all hate each other.

Speaker 3: Oh. At least distrust each other. That’s,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. But I, I wanna like go, go into. Like, how, how is it that they actually don’t care about this? Because I, I know that it’s getting through to some of them to some extent, right?

Like, and, and they’re trying to downplay it because it goes against whatever their larger agenda is. And people will say, well, they just hate the west. They just hate the, you know, America. I wanna understand like. But why so pathologically that it in any sort of logically coherent framework leads to these outcomes.

And I think that a part of it actually comes from, if I’m just gonna lead whizzes, it comes from the effect discussed in South Park

Speaker: What’s the garlic effect? The law of physics that states, if one girl screams for something, it will make other girls scream and then [00:04:00] it grows exponentially until all girls within a five mile radius of screaming.

Speaker 7: So how do boy bands use that? All they do is make videos showing tons and tons of girls screaming for the boy bands. Once you get girls screaming, you can’t stop ‘em. They’re crazy.

Malcolm Collins: ? And that a lot of the modern leftist movement is just basically delusional women standing for a form of like authoritarianism that it’s, it’s not, it’s not whether they understand it or don’t understand it, they find it to be alluring.

And this sort of wider social movement sort of bubbles some people to the top and some perspectives to the top that don’t need to pass any sort of logical filter. That that’s not the. Point of the opinion, it’s about filling a certain Hmm. For a larger zeitgeist. Mm-hmm. So that’s, that’s what we’re gonna go into there.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Malcolm Collins: But before I get into that, I want to go in, into what I was saying and I said that there is a [00:05:00] portion of the right that is just as foolish as these two girls hanging outside of a cab. Right. And this portion of the right is of course the groupers in the larger Fuentes movement. And people know that I’ve, I’ve said like things like I’m, I’m against the cancellation of him.

I am for platforming him. I think the ways that people like Ben Shapiro have treated him has been absolutely atrocious. But I also just want to be like, but. He is not shy about the type of government he wants to set up. And so if you look at the government that we have was in Iran right now, if you’re not familiar with it, it is a religious theocracy where they have a supreme leader and then he appoints a council of religious scholars and leaders.

And I’d I’d point out that these are, you know, genuine religious scholars and leaders. This is not like, crazy people or like a cultish version of this branch of Islam, right? Like this is a real iteration of this branch of Islam and that the [00:06:00] laws that they are putting into place are the laws found within Islamic texts.

And we’re talking

Speaker 3: Shia, not Sunni Islam, correct.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But it’s, you know, Sunni Islam practice, as the text says, is just about as brutal as Shia Islam practice as the text says. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And we’ll get into here where people are like, oh, come on. You know? In, in, in Christianity, you know, nothing is, it’s our, our religious books aren’t that brutal if we practice as the text.

And it’s like, they really are, like, even Charlie Kirk pointed out when somebody was like, oh, religion, like Christianity is really about loving and blah, blah, blah. And he goes, well, you know, there’s a lot of things that you get stoned for, you know,

like not honoring your father and mother or being gay or, you know, a number of other things.

Right? Like, we have to be realistic about what he’s actually saying because I think a lot of people, just like these two leftists did, if you wanna understand how you could be a young leftist girl who is just angry with the system and not really listening to what the leaders of your movement are saying they want to do when they’re in power.

Mm-hmm. [00:07:00] It, it. I think it’s easy to not, this is not me dunking on the grapes or FU or anything like this. It’s easy to say how this happens to people. By looking at what I think even most groupers know, Nick Fuentes say he wants to put in power as a system.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So just to, to go for some quotes here, for example, he says, I’m a 12th century man, f the UN and the internet and democracy.

So note here, when Iran is shutting off the internet all the time, when people are saying things that go against the religious order, they have no, no. They also have an elected body that sort of operates under their religious body, which seems similar to the way Nick would probably set things up if he was setting it up.

Mm-hmm. He’d have a religious body with religious scholars trying to do things in a 12th century style, as he says. And then underneath that, some sort of a democratic body, right? Like, I’m not even saying like. Just full theocracy here. Right. And would he be the, would this be the type of government who would regularly shut down the internet and free speech?

Well, he says he’s, he’s against the inter like very clearly, right? He [00:08:00] says, you know, what has democracy gotten us obesity, low rates of literacy. It’s given us divorce, abortion, gay marriage, liberalism, pornography, a a again, these are all things that the, they’re also against in Iran that the theocratic government of Iran is also against.

He says, that’s what democracy has gotten us. Ghettos and crime and political correctness. Diversity, yeah. That’s the track record of democracy. And so I note here as we go further here, because you might say, well, I do agree with him on the diversity point. What you’re gonna notice pretty soon is when he says diversity, he means non-Catholics.

He is very clear that he wants the type of government he puts up to be a a, a Catholic, in a very Catholic government like this. And so I think that we need to go back to what did Catholics in the 12th century do to Christians who were not Catholics? Right. You know, because again, he’s, he’s signaling to you, and this reminds me of a story I’ve always had of a

Speaker 3: friend of, were there friends who were not Catholic in the 12th century?

Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They were [00:09:00] killed. But very severely. Martin

Speaker 3: Luther didn’t exist in the 12th century.

Malcolm Collins: There were non Protestant, non-Catholic factions of Christianity. They were just entirely genocide.

Simone Collins: Oh,

Malcolm Collins: the, the reason you don’t know I wasn’t aware is because they were, they done be

Simone Collins: dead.

Malcolm Collins: They were systemically exterminated.

Okay. I think there’s like one surviving faction. And they’re basically just an earlier iteration of Protestants. A lot of them believe stuff very similar to what Protestants today believe. They were just more systematically exterminated. So TL no, but the, the, the reason that this gets to me because it’s all fun in jokes like here, like it was for these two girls riding in the car.

Right. Okay. Clearly they’re like, oh, they had heard people. And I could go over quotes, but it’s probably boring of a lot of people at the time, like in the US being like, are you not listening to what the leaders of your movement are saying? Hmm. But it reminds me of a, actually a, a, a Jewish guy I know who had to escape the Holocaust.

Older guy grandfather of a girl I was dating. And he had this story about how he literally like tried [00:10:00] to go door to door within his Jewish community with a, a, a copy of amp and said, you need to read this. You need to read what he’s saying he’s going to do you effing. Like, like he, he’s laid it out, okay, this isn’t a joke.

He clearly wants to do this, right? Like, and he went through the community door to door with the book. And eventually he became sort of a pariah in his community and was seen as a crazy person. I’ve told you this story before. And so he eventually broke out of his parents’ house in the middle of the night shattered his girlfriend’s window and ran away with her.

Unfortunately he made. Catastrophically stupid move of running away to Poland. And then when Poland was taken running away to Russia, which then when they tried to genocide everyone, I think he then went to China before coming to the United States. Basically just the wrong direction. But the, the point [00:11:00] being is that, you know, you can have these moments in history where certain parties are signaling what they want to do.

And this matters because you can be like, well, Nick Fuentes is a fringe political figure. And yet Joe Rogan joked on his show recently that if we were gonna put a Catholic, you know, presidential Republican candidate in place, then Nick Foes would be a good candidate for this. Don’t worry, I’ll get to the Iran stuff really quickly.

But I just wanna continue with this because I think it’s important to understand these girls. We need to understand why somebody like Nick Fuentes seems desirable within our own community, even though he’s signaling all the same things. He’s signaling a government exactly like this, that he wants to set up.

And by the way, if you’re wondering about the scale of the atrocities we’re talking about in Iran right now, we’re talking about like 20,000 people dead potentially at this point. Just gunned down in the streets. It’s, it’s, it’s horrifying. So he says Catholic autocracy pretty strong, pretty strong record.

Catholic monarchy, Catholic monarchy and just war and Crusades and inquisitions. No, he, he, he’s saying he wants to do this stuff. Right. The crusades largely justified, I’m gonna argue the inquisitions were [00:12:00] sometimes in a later period carried out much better than the Protestant witch hunts. But yeah, you argue

Speaker 3: in the prag is go to crafting religion that like.

Essentially there was due process and logic and a burden of proof required that you didn’t see with Protestant witch hunts, where it was just kind of more delusional. So

Malcolm Collins: Right. But the point I’m making here is you see very few Protestants today. You wouldn’t hear me as like fervent as I am on some of this stuff, saying we need to go back to aggressive witch hunts within, like America’s cities and stuff like that.

Right? Like, I understand that they effed that up. I have said that you should, I mean, well

Speaker 3: you, you’ve jokingly said on many occasions, and we’ve certainly implied heavily, you can’t abide by a witch and we hate witches and we’ve made fun of all the Etsy spells and we talk about

Malcolm Collins: Right. But I have not, I have not said that we need to go back to the types of witch hunts they had in the early Protestant movement.

Sure. We don’t wanna

Speaker 3: create a police that goes around. Arresting [00:13:00] people for being witches,

Malcolm Collins: but, but he’s signaling that this is actively, and when he brings us to the Inquisition and stuff like this, the Inquisition is also Protestants, right? Like there’s inquisitions that targeted Protestants. Yes. And Mormons.

And you know, if you’re, if you’re anything else out here, just, just be aware of that. And Catholic heritage, if you’re Catholic. And slightly the wrong way, way. So just be aware that this is what he’s signaling. Right. And if you look at other things he said, for example, he says, I want this country to have a Catholic media, a Catholic Hollywood, a Catholic government.

I want this to be a Catholic occupied government. So if you contrast that with say what the Ayatollah would’ve said during this period, who would’ve said I want this country to have an a Muslim media, a Muslim Hollywood, and a Muslim government.

Right? Like, this is what he wanted, this is this structure that he wanted. And, and he, he’s noted very cl clearly here. He, he says that Catholicism is more Christian than Protestantism. He, he is very, very clear on this [00:14:00] stuff. And he’ll say stuff like, we’re in a Holy War. We need to make them die in that war.

And, and, and note here. Or, or I want a supreme leader, totalitarian Christian dictator, even using the terms of the Iranian state to sort of describe the government he wants. And I think that the mistake that people make when they hear all of this, as I think these girls did, is they’re like, well, we’re on the same side now.

Surely they won’t come after us just because they’re saying they plan to come after us once they’re in power.

Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And, and, and that well look, when we meet with the, the Muslim like leaders and our protestor communities meet with them. They’re not like murdering us at those meetings and stuff like that.

Right. So they like they, who would do that? How would they actually go that far? You know, how would they, I mean, I just think it’s very important that you, that you look at the face value of what somebody is saying their goals. They are. Because you can find yourself supporting catastrophically stupid things for [00:15:00] yourself without realizing that you’re supporting catastrophically stupid things for yourself because you, you think that it’s a joke or a protest or an f you to the man without understanding what happens when they get into power.

And, and also how bad it can go. So suppose, you know, you go back to these girls back in the time and they’d explain this to me, but they’re like, you don’t understand, like the ayatollah is like a cool guy. Like, look, I, I drove by a car holding his picture.

Right? Like, and he’s gonna appoint like religious scholars who have appointed, spent their whole lives like studying their religion and, you know, didn’t you know that like Islam is the religion of love. Right. And like, and you can point out here, people can be like, well, Catholicism really is the religion.

And I’d be like, even Catholics know they’ve got some really dark periods from like the 12th century to today. And, and they can be like, well these modern religious scholars, they’re not like that. They wouldn’t advocate for things like that. And it’s like, I think

Speaker 5: they might.

Malcolm Collins: And, and you know, once they have total power they might, so now I wanna go to, before I go further, do you have any thoughts, Simone?[00:16:00]

Speaker 3: I just wanna hear more. I wanna understand why the leftist influencers that are really big online. Have come out in favor of Iran.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, well, I mean, the reason I went over that first thing is I think that whenever somebody looks unbelievably foolish to you and, and you just can’t understand how they would do it, you need to look for a, a simulacrum of what they were doing that you can mentally emulate with.

Oh, okay. So

Speaker 3: you’re, you’re trying to set the premise of, alright, maybe people cannot understand caliphates, but they can maybe understand. The Catholic equivalent of a caliphate.

Malcolm Collins: You can, you can, what I’m, what I’m saying is the Catholic

Speaker 3: bureaucracy

Malcolm Collins: is, if, if it’s, you know, if you wanna understand, like these girls cheering for a guy who’s saying, I want to set up a theocratic state that will eventually exterminate you.

Yeah. You know, this is no different than a Protestant or an atheist cheering for the groupers. Right. Like, th this [00:17:00] is a, they’re, they’re very explicit in their long-term goals. Right. Like, and they can say, well, we’re a big tent movement for now, as these guys did back then. Yeah. But they won’t always be right.

Like, once they have authority they’ve, they’ve laid out what they want that authority system to look like and what they want that media control system and that education control system to look like. Mm-hmm. And so it may not seem as cool or edgy if you’re looking at the type of conservatism that we represent.

Right. But it’s a type of conservatism that. Is, is realistic in terms of being cogent with the long-term, thriving of most of the parties in the current conservative umbrella.

Speaker 5: Hmm. Right.

Malcolm Collins: And, and I think that, that, that’s, that’s why you know, instead of just saying, oh, they hate America, they hate all things, the left, oh, they were totally duped, don’t, don’t fall into the hole where you so strawman your opponent that you lose the ability to understand what they were actually thinking in the moment.

And the easiest way to do that is to [00:18:00] see it from within your own party.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Because I think most people who watch this show can probably understand you know, liking and enjoying seeing somebody like Nick Fuentes, you know? Totally. Throw Pi Morgan into a trash bag, right? Like, that was hilarious. Right?

Like, but, but we have to be aware of what at the end of the day he represents. And, and what would happen if he won or became the face of the conservative party.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Next I wanna go to Hassan Piker. So before I get into these folks, which I’ll go into, because Hassan Piper is the number one leftist streamer right now.

So is

Speaker 3: that, is that, is that true? Like it’s not destiny? It’s not because I don’t, I don’t know who the top leftist streamers are. They follow a lot of leftist content creators, but streamers, I don’t know.

Malcolm Collins: He is the, the top. And he’s been beaten by Smic Gold. He used to be the top top and he has been, ‘cause he’s been losing followers a lot recently.

Speaker 3: OMG Gold is not a leftist streamer. Oh, but you’re just saying in terms of just the commentary. Streeters,

Malcolm Collins: he top streamer, period.

Speaker 3: Whoa. [00:19:00] Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. Or political streamer. I think there was one above him. And then ASM Gold became the top political streamer and he’s been crashing out since then. Mostly since Ade.

Did you know he shocked Kaya again? There’s a new video that they can look like. He’s gone back to it. He just can’t look at our video about why Muslims can’t help but shack dogs. I mean, it’s just a cultural difference. It’s not like, I’m not trying to be as Islamophobic here or something. We, we, we point out that some cultural groups just have a very like the young Turks who his, his cousin named his organization after killed 80,000 dogs when they took power and saw it as like this big progressive thing to do.

Right. Wasn’t it

Speaker 3: for rabies control though?

Malcolm Collins: The 80,000 dogs? No, that wasn’t for rabies control. That was just more for like, cleaning up the city. Oh. Well they didn’t just like murder them. They put them all on an island where they starved to death and aid each other. So slightly worse. But

Speaker 3: thunderdome

Malcolm Collins: them.

Speaker 3: That’s all.

Malcolm Collins: Side note, side note to, to, to go further here. If you look at his arguments on stream, so I’ve like taken time to watch him on stream and we’ll go into quotes in a second, but I wanna get his [00:20:00] larger like idea. Like he clearly struggles at time to come up with an argument about how they’re like worse than America.

But the argument he eventually comes up with, and I can understand it from his perspective. So you gotta, you gotta see the world from his perspective. Okay? Take a step back. He does not mean what you immediately take him to mean. So if you’re like an idiot like I dubs or something, which we’ll get to, he genuinely believes that like.

You’re allowed to like sing and dance on the streets. In, in, in I Iran, which you can, you, you sort of can, was in the capitol. Now this was because of a previous protest, but for a long time it was illegal. And this guy would’ve grown up with it being illegal and it still risks the jail symptoms. So, the, the, just for clarification, right.

Okay. Wow. But he’ll, he will say things that are one true ish he’ll say that like they’re really chill to trans people in Iran. Like they’re, they’re, they’re unusually protran.

Speaker 3: Well, and that’s isn’t that It is, I believe, [00:21:00] true that there are Canadians and United States citizens who travel to Iran for.

Gender transition surgery because it has been pioneered there more effectively and more cost effectively I should say.

Malcolm Collins: So this isn’t So it, this, this requires context. Yes, but it’s a factually true statement. It’s so in Islam not, not all branches of Islam, but was in a few branches that goes on. The appropriate thing if you are a a same sex attracted male or a same sex attracted female is to be forced to undergo gender transition.

Right? I

Speaker 3: mean, it, it makes on a surface level logical sense, right? If, if you are, if, if you have a woman attracted to a woman, the equation is incorrect. We need to have a man attracted to a woman. So what’s going to solve the equation is to turn one set of that equation into a man. And

Malcolm Collins: so they, there

Speaker 3: you go.

Malcolm Collins: A lot of gay people to unelect undergo this surgery.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Where things, but that means that there has been, because of this [00:22:00] forced transition an unusual level of medical innovation in Iran and specifically cost effective medical innovation. E exactly. In places like the UK and the United States, people need to ethically transition.

People have to, to go through all this approval. You can’t do harm to people. Whereas they don’t gotta worry about

Malcolm Collins: the future lawsuits, they don’t worry about medical practice, they don’t worry about. And so you’re able

Speaker 3: to get genuinely innovative medical innovate like developments that are so useful that genuinely, you know, trans people in Canada and the United States and other countries that are very progressive go to Iran to get to get gender affirming care.

And, and when asked about the conflict between their morality. Their progressivism and their choice to support a medical system in a country that forcibly transitions people, they’re like, well, capitalism ruined everything. I can’t afford anything. Right? But so you’ve gotta

Malcolm Collins: understand this from [00:23:00] Hassan’s brain perspective when like he’s cheering to the crowd, right?

Hassan, I am sure, is very aware that you will be executed for being gay in Iran, right? Mm-hmm. Like, that this is a, a regular thing. You’ll be executed for being Christian in Iran, although there’s actually only one state official case of that. Most of the cases are extra judicial. And they used to kill Jews more, but they don’t kill them as much anymore.

So

Speaker 3: wait. Extra. So that means you have like a get out of jail free card if you kill a Christian, because No, it means, means them anyway.

Malcolm Collins: Gangs, like, consider them like the KKK or something like that. Go around and we’ll like kill Christians and, right. But are they,

Speaker 3: if I were.

Malcolm Collins: Extra judicial. It’s illegal, I know to do, but nobody cares.

Speaker 3: Well, so well, my question though is, is, is are they prosecuted when they commit these crimes?

Malcolm Collins: That, that’s a pointless question. If you have regular extra judicial killings, that’s like saying, do members of the KKK ever get prosecuted? Sometimes they did. Okay. Usually they didn’t.

Speaker 3: That was my question. No, it is, it is meaningful.

There are [00:24:00] some laws on the books that people regularly break and no one. No one will arrest them for, like many states were very, very late to change their laws around interracial marriage. But people got married and they were like, well, of course we’re not gonna, that’s, that’s ridiculous. But the point

Malcolm Collins: I’m making here is if you look at a country like Iran, so like right now in Iran the Jewish community, now the community went from like 80,000 to like 3000.

And this is one of the things we always point out. In Israel, you can be any religion. Like there’s all sorts of different religions in Israel. If you look at like every Muslim majority country, they have kicked out the the, jewish population and, and usually the Christian population as well. But they still have a, a person in the government, like they elect a Jewish representative for the government to represent to the point I making this literally

Speaker 3: is the token Jew, like there’s one spot.

They’re,

Malcolm Collins: they’re, they’re literally like more sensible the Iranian government than the government that Nick Fuentes wants to set up. He did not say he wants like Protestant representatives or something. Right. He’s like [00:25:00] only Catholics. Okay. So,

Speaker 3: no, but my question though is, is is it, is it this like the Jew role, like the Jew representative role?

Is that how it works? I’m just,

Malcolm Collins: yes. It’s like a millet system. Like they, they, they elect Oh, okay. Somebody who was in their community. Okay. And the Jewish representative represents in the voting body the Jews of Iran.

Speaker 3: Wow. Okay. Sorry. That’s just, that’s interesting. I, I had no, I’d never heard of that before.

Doesn’t mean

Malcolm Collins: that they’re still not regularly killed and stuff like that, but it’s just a thing. But

Speaker 3: they have a representative

Malcolm Collins: That’s nice. They

Speaker 3: representative.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, so. You’ve gotta keep in mind, okay, so you’re Hassan, you’re talking to, it’s like girls spamming hurt emojis at you. You gotta, you gotta get the mob fervent, right?

So if you can point out, and honestly that Iran is actually. Pretty decent to trans people overall, it is irrelevant what they do to, for example, gay men because in the current progressive hierarchy, gay men are mostly traitors. As we’ve pointed out. We’re, we’re probably gonna move soon to a point of [00:26:00] if demographics keep moving as they are to the point where the majority of gay men are voting re.

So it, it, it wi with that being the case was this rapid shift of gay men into the Republican party. They just don’t care about gay men. And that’s the majority of the people who are being killed within this system. And to them, gay men are one of the oppressive classes. And keep in mind to them, this is, this is I guess white passing gay men, they’re Persians.

They’re not even Arabs, right? So, you know, like who cares if a you fall off a building, right? So I think genuinely that that’s, that’s part of it. If they’re standing transness, it is irrelevant what they do to the gay community. And, and you actually sort of see this more broadly, like when you make a point to a leftist that them protecting, you know, like recently there was a case of the trans individual who was masturbating in a woman’s locker room at like a, a fitness program.

Another thing I found out about ‘cause it’s all right, but anyway, this, this there, there are, you know, people standing this, and I, and in the episode where I went over that, I like posted comment boards like from the top of [00:27:00] like, you know, LGBT subreddit saying like, this is a totally normal thing to do.

Women do this all the time. How dare you get mad at him? And, and everybody knows that this, this hurts the gay community, right? But they don’t care, right? Because they, they genuinely, what matters to them is they, they have a, a, a sexual and ethno hierarchy. And genuinely, if you’re not at the top of that hierarchy, you simply don’t matter.

You simply don’t matter. And I think it’s, it’s if, if, if, if your needs, even your life is being contrasted with somebody else who is in the hierarchy, right? This, this is how that works out in the moment. So he was able to make a defense like that. The second thing is when he talks about the United States being worse than Iran, you have to remember that he is including, so if you look at the protests and the people who are dying in Iran right now, he sees that as a direct result of American foreign [00:28:00] policy.

Hmm. So what he would say is, you know, when you talk about how hard it is to be an Iranian, and the other thing I’d note is one of the reasons we waited for a while to do the Iranian episode is we did an episode about two and a half months ago. If you, if you go through our backlog. Where I say there is going to be a revolution in Iran in the near future.

And I went through all of the reasons there was going to be a revolution in Iran. And if you wanna go over that episode to understand why the revolution is happening, look it up. The point I’m making here is I go to the sources that I go to for information, and the reason I find them to be good sources of information is because they accurately predict things.

Yeah. And one of the things that I like now is we’re moving more and more into a world where I think it’s pretty uncontroverted that we are better predictors of future geopolitical events than Peter Zian. He’s, he’s made a few really big blunders recently. He said that Caracas was a fortress and you couldn’t do anything to get somebody outta there.

He said that he is been famously always against Bitcoin. Whereas we are. Pro Bitcoin when it’s low and when it’s high, we offer more caution. You know, so like, I, I think that [00:29:00] and, and note here when I said that my prediction on, on being wary about Bitcoin, I said it’ll crash after two cycle.

And we’re not even one cycle after I made that prediction. So, this is still, we get to see if I’m, I’m, I’m right on this one. See, but if, if you, and by the way, I made that prediction saying that quantum computing was a big threat, and then a month after I made that, there was a huge thing of FUD around quantum computing.

It wasn’t me on that. I was, I was, well before that fud, I said that this fuds about to happen. But anyway the, the point I’m making here is it’s useful. Like if you’re like, I, the reason why you listen to political commentators is they understand the world. And if you understand the world accurately, that means you can make predictions about future world states.

And you know, sort of. Play the game, but he, he believes that all the suffering of the Iranian people is not due to government incompetency. In that episode, we point out that like, you can’t blame America on Iran’s idiotic dam project that ended up starving them of water, which is a, a, a, a, a bigger issue for them than their [00:30:00] economic system right now.

Like the, the what they ended up doing after the protests around the water is they ended up just starving all the rural areas, which are easy to control of water and, and, and the flowing it all to Tarran. And that lowered those protests. But the point I’m making is like, if you look at like the, the, like, if you look at the, the city streets collapsing into giant sinkhole and people dying weekly.

That like shocked me when I saw that still. Well,

Speaker 3: you and I are uniquely terrified of sinkhole. I guess everyone should be, but I love you. You know, you’re

Malcolm Collins: like this, this, this can happen to you. You just, one day you’re walking down the street and gone. And that. That we pointed out that this, this is also has nothing to do.

You can’t blame this on America, but he’s unaware of all that. And I genuinely think he is just unaware of Iran’s water crisis. He’s unaware of, he is unaware of learning information in the same way that you know, Greta Thornberg when they said, Hey, Greta, do you want to hear the opinions [00:31:00] of like, do you wanna, do you wanna see the video of like, what the, this video filmed by Hamas of what happened on, on the October 11th attacks?

And she’s like, no, I won’t watch the video filmed by Hamas of what they were proud of doing. Right? Like, ‘cause it might change her opinion. So I think for him, he just doesn’t gather this information. Right. Because if he does gather this information, then he might transform into, if you watch the video we did recently on this brainwashing game that they put out in the uk, the, the bad options happen if you say, I want to learn more about that.

Right? Like, that’s considered, by the way, you know, they took the game down, Simone.

Simone Collins: They did.

Malcolm Collins: So if you say, I want to learn more information, you get the bad ending, right? Mm. So this is the worldview of somebody like a Hass and he means this. Absolutely. Genuinely, he thinks that if he goes and searches for information that may disconfirm his beliefs.

Credit Thornberg believes this as well. Yeah. But they’re just gonna completely crash out, [00:32:00] right? Like they’re just going to completely descend into the side of evil because, well,

Speaker 3: I feel like they’re in a, a better position because they, they stand to lose their careers, their livelihoods, if they alienate their audiences.

So they, they are now having been subject to audience capture and path dependency in that dangerous position. Alien in our

Malcolm Collins: audience. Every other week we did an episode. Yeah. And it’s not, our livelihood isn’t

Speaker 3: Malcolm, we’re not making a living from this, are we?

Malcolm Collins: I, I just point out that we just did an episode hard critical of Judaism and like, yeah, I would say two weeks ago, but we’re doing that because week, we’re not afraid

Speaker 3: of losing our income because we’re, we don’t make an income from this Hassan Piker and, well, I don’t know what Greta Thunberg No, I, I just, I just disagree with your take here.

Trust fund kid.

Malcolm Collins: Not everyone has to be audience captured if you’re making an income from something. And we, we then do an a episode like this one. Well, I guess, yeah, [00:33:00] Aspen

Speaker 3: Gold doesn’t care. Which is just so wonderful. But he doesn’t

Malcolm Collins: flip, he does not go as hard. Aspen Gold wouldn’t do what we do, like an episode where he’s like, and these are why antisemitism is actually rising into talk about that.

We need to talk about why people are getting angry at the Jews, right? Mm-hmm. And then this week we’re doing an episode where we’re like, and Nick Futa is, you’re actually like a genuine buffoon as, as buffoonish as these two girls are. If you want to see his world order put into place, if you are using him as anything other than a tool to move the Overton window mm-hmm.

If you are unironically a stand of him. People will laugh at you the same way they laugh at these two girls. And I take these perspectives because I think that they’re both true. Mm-hmm. If, if you want to talk about why antisemitism is rising, you need to talk about things that Jews are doing that are pissing off other people.

Right. Like that unfor, you can’t just say every, every part of this is somebody else’s fault. You need to say, oh, well this is, this is part of why. Right? Like, if you, if you wanna [00:34:00] talk about realistically the Nick Foes movie, you need to say realistically, the government he wants to put in place is more extreme in anti your interest than the Iranian government.

But anyway the point I’m making here about Hassan’s worldview, so when he looks at Iran and he says, and his audience can hear this and understand it the, all of the people protesting right now, and he would see them as violent insurrectionists. They, they are protesting because of the sanctions that America put on Iran.

And, and you would then say, well, as Asma Gold did, he’s like, well, you know, but why, why? Why do they have those sanctions? And then he would say, well, he, he doesn’t go so far to make this argument, but I’m just gonna argue from his perspective. He’d say, well, they were trying to make a nuclear weapon.

Weapon. And who else has a nuclear weapon? The United States, Israel and Israel doesn’t just have a nuclear weapon. They have a nuclear weapon whose plan they stole. From the United States and [00:35:00] built without our permission, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It’s, it’s not just, you know, he would say, I can understand if Israel says we need this nuclear weapon for our own protection, how Iran could feel equally that they need a nuclear weapon for their own protection, right?

Like if, if you’re just standing them there. And, and I can understand all of that, right? I, I still think that it was not in their long-term economic best interest or the best interest of their people to enact these policies that caused these protests. They were probably better off trying to form good relationships with Israel and the United States than what they did.

But I, I, there is, there is a degree of merit. In that claim. Right. I would just say that unfortunately Iranians aren’t quite as smart or Persians okay. Let’s not say they’re not quite as smart as the Jews. Israel as a state and Jewish culture lent itself to them being able to build the bomb in actual secrecy.

Well, Iran has [00:36:00] not been able to, it’s, it is not competent enough to build the bomb in actual secrecy. And so every time they get a, a new leader building it or something, they get assassinated. You know, Iran could have stopped. Israel from building the bomb. If they had, they, they were in a position of relative power back then while Israel was in a position, Israel wasn’t always this strong state we see today.

They used to have like no tech very few friends. But anyway, back to this situation. Back, back to back to talking about I ran here. So, so if you put the world in this perspective, the people protesting and then you’re like, well, what about the people gunning down the protestors? Then he’d say, well, like, I wish I could gun down the Nazis in our own country.

Right. Because you know, he sort of frames people, he disagree. The United States with people he disagrees with. And if somebody opened up, you know, the way that he and many of these other people who will go over that, they’ll talk about somebody like the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They are genuinely happy that something like this happened.

You know, they think he deserved it. So when they see people protesting the Iranian government, they believe the same thing. And note [00:37:00] also how I’ve pointed out that the leftist movement is becoming more future oriented. Islamists, like they sort of accept that the gays won’t be around forever. That the trans are going to disappear after this generation.

And so who are they building the world for? They’re building it for the next discriminated class. Right? Like the Islam they’re going to bring into our countries, right? And hopefully one day they win. No, this does come from a loathing. Of Western civilization more broadly. Yes, I agree with that. Yeah. But it’s not just a loathing of Western civilization, it’s that they believe that Islamism is like genuinely a good and misunderstand thing.

Mm-hmm. When they entered the movement, there’s become this thing now where Asma Gold like watched a video of it and he was like, oh, I feel so sorry for the Islamist now, where like white progressive Karens are like converting to Islam and like wearing hijabs and everything. Mm-hmm. But then crashing out on their streams about Muslims not being inclusive of trans people and gay people.

And it’s like,[00:38:00]

you know, they, they, and I think a lot of the Muslim community similar too, and, and they’re good about this too. These groups that aim to one day take over and create these theocratic states. They’re very good about humoring these crazy people when they’re in the room. Wisdom, right. Hmm. Let’s go to some of his quotes on Iran.

Any kind of left disposition on Iran should start with a demand that the American government end sanctions in exchange for demands of democracy or anything else for that matter. I cannot believe that we’re past this point. Obama got the JCPO done with sanctions relief, exclamation mark. Then another, I want people to get food and medicine.

I don’t believe that America is a benevolent actor. It has its own regional interests. The Iranian people absolutely have a right to protest against their repressive state. Sanctions Relief was a common liberal position more than a decade ago. So you’ll note here, and, and he’s obviously said, the other one I said that I, I, I ran is, is no better than America, but here he is.

He’s talking about the [00:39:00] downstream consequences. So like, if you point out like life is bad in Korea, to him, he’ll be like, but that’s not because of the Korean state. That’s because of our trade stations.

Speaker 5: Hmm. If you

Malcolm Collins: point out that, you know, th this is, this is just sort of like his w world perspective on a lot of things.

You know, he’s able to go to China and be like, China is great. China is better than America. Even though, you know, they’re literally carrying out genocides that is irrelevant from his world perspective if it helps his long term goal. Oh, I mean, which is in part of destruction of, of, of Western civilization.

That is right. But I think it’s important to understand that these people who want to destroy Western civilization and live among us, if you cannot understand that these people are your core enemies. Right. And this, this is where I think like gr gets wildly stupid.

Speaker 3: Well, no, hold on. Humor me here though.

Isn’t there a little bit of that. People used to talk about the far right to crunchy hippie horse shoe. Or pipeline in [00:40:00] the, at either end of the spectrum, you kind of got to the same place where you’d either get Maha super conservative, homesteading Christian moms, and then at the other end you have homesteading pagan hippie moms.

But they all functionally are the same thing. I kind of feel like the, there is something very similar between the origi