Groypers & Nick Fuentes: An Anthropology Of A Paradoxical Ideology

Join us for an in-depth discussion as we break down the Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson interview. In this episode, Simone and Malcolm share their candid reactions, explore the most controversial moments, and analyze the broader implications of the conversation. Whether you’re interested in media analysis, political commentary, or just want to hear thoughtful perspectives on current events, this episode offers a nuanced take you won’t want to miss. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more insightful conversations and interviews. Share your thoughts below—what stood out to you most in the interview?

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. I have been looking forward to this episode. We both watched the Nick Fuentes Tucker Carlson interview, and my first thoughts upon watching that interview was to pick up my phone to call Mossad and say, Mossad, I found the guy who’s turning everyone into antisemite.

You need to watch this video name. Is Ben Shapiro.

Simone Collins: Oh, Ben Open.

Malcolm Collins: It’s so funny because if, if you watch the video, it’s very clear that Nick Fuentes did not start with any anti-Semitic beliefs at all. No. It was completely pushed into them by extreme and incredibly immoral acts by Ben Shapiro. And if you look at Candace Owens, it appears that she also had a similar journey.

Simone Collins: Yeah. He just keeps radicalizing people with platforms against Israel

Malcolm Collins: and huge. Well, and what’s funny is he will do this to anyone, he did this to us when we first started rising Israel, like right wing stars. His first intuition was to just [00:01:00] attack us. Yeah, I think he referred to us

Simone Collins: as something along the lines of insufferable nerds.

Malcolm Collins: He accused us of being nerdy. But I take nerd as a compliment. So this means I’m at the top of the nerd hierarchy here, thank goodness. But in this video, what we’re gonna be doing is we are going to be taking a deeper analysis into Nick Fuentes views, and through that elucidate. Something parts of American history and American identity that I think a lot of people aren’t very aware of because it’s been largely covered up in the school system.

Mm. And it makes Nick Fuentes entire worldview when you are aware of this. Come off as a little confused if I’m gonna be honest. And we’re also going to think through how you can have people with different long-term goals sort of working together in the same group. Because I think when you think through what Nick Fuentes his long-term goals are, they’re very antagonistic to our long-term goals, but I think we could still work together.

And he also seems like a decent guy from what I’ve seen even Yeah. For the

Simone Collins: record, we, we actually reached [00:02:00] out to him hoping that he would just come on Yeah. To be interviewed on this. Like, we’d rather just ask him directly about these things. Unfortunately, he didn’t respond, so we’re gonna have to just go on, on, well, Malcolm did extensive research on things he has said online publicly that are documented.

So we’re doing our best here, but. Well, no, a lot of, if you ever see this, we’d love to have you on.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I, I will also say that upon hearing through this interview, what Ben Shapiro did to him when he was like a kid. Right. Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, this giant, like multimillion dollar company actively trying to destroy a kid’s life for years, just for asking questions.

Yeah. What on earth? Yeah. Feasible to ask. I, I was like, okay, I can see how Nick Fuentes ended up where he is. But, but what’s so funny is us and Nick Fuentes, and you’re gonna see this throughout the interview, is it sort of like somebody comes out to us and they’re like, you need to denounce Nick Fuentes.

And I’d be like, why, why do I need to denounce Nick? Like at one point, Ben Shapiro got him [00:03:00] while he was in college, put on a no fly list, so he couldn’t even fly domestic. Oh, that

Simone Collins: wasn’t Ben Shapiro. That was No,

Malcolm Collins: it was Ben Shapiro’s organization. The Daily

Simone Collins: Wire.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the Daily Wire reached out to the Media Matters organization and then Media Matters got him banned, put on a no fly

Simone Collins: list.

Oh, oh, so the Daily Wire started it. I didn’t catch that. I, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, yeah. It’s pretty much all orchestrated by the Daily Wire. Not like Ben Shapiro directly, but it seems pretty clear that he directed somebody else to do this. Oh, wow.

Simone Collins: Okay. That’s, yeah, I mean, and that’ll people able to fly for a year.

That’s, especially as a media

Malcolm Collins: figure. That’s crazy. Denounce Nick Fuentes. And I’m like, why, why should I denounce Nick Fuentes? And they’d be like, well, he’s an antisemite. And I’d be like, well, you know, no group should really be above question. I I think it’s, it’s, it’s healthy in a society. Like, okay, okay, that didn’t work.

He wants an autocracy and I’m like. I mean, democracies do seem to be fraying at the edges right now, and I can see that it might be worth exploring new forms of government. And they’re like, oh, okay, okay. He wants to make America a Christian country. And [00:04:00] I’m like, well, I mean, I, I think it was sort of founded that way.

And I don’t have a particular problem with it. And they scratch their head and they’re just like, so you’re just gonna let him turn America into this Catholic, like, wait, what? Put him on a no fly list. Oh. ‘cause the, the problems we have with the wider Nick Fores ideology are quite different than the problems that a lot of other people have.

I’ll note here because I have in the past been very confused by Nick Che’s ideology not understanding how he could be a Catholic integralist. These are people who want to put the entire world under a Catholic one, world government. And actually he’s never claimed that he is a Catholic integralist.

I couldn’t find a single AI will tell you he is till you’re blue in the face. But when you ask for a specific quote or citation, I can find nothing.

Simone Collins: Well, so do you think maybe Nick Fuentes is a Catholic integralist the same way that we are eugenics, which is to say No. No,

Malcolm Collins: not exactly. Because he’ll talk [00:05:00] about stuff like inter.

In Ingenia, like, like the intelligentsia of the integralist movement where he seems to include himself among this. So like, well I don’t know, like

Simone Collins: we mix with people who call themselves eugenicists. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: But he has never denied the term either. Nor has he ever really skewered it in the way that we have gone long into skewering eugenics.

I’m well, well,

Simone Collins: but what, what, what, what are the benefits to him for doing so? You know, no one’s accusing him of it. It’s not causing him any trouble. So why would he actively, yeah. The, and people aren’t actively accusing him of it. I mean, people actively accuse us of eugenics, therefore we publicly deny.

‘cause we’re like, that’s not true. No. People accuse

Malcolm Collins: him of this all the time, and I, and they accuse him of it. Of on both the right and the left. Like there are mainstream right wing sources that are sympathetic to him that call his position Catholic nationalism. Oh, so they’re left wings, he

Simone Collins: would be prompted to Correct.

If he would be very prompted

Malcolm Collins: to call them out. Okay. The, the real answer is, is while it’s not his actual [00:06:00] intellectual position, he identifies with it enough that he doesn’t mind being called it. Mm-hmm. His actual position could be better defined as Catholic n Okay. Let’s see. White Catholic nationalism would be the, the actual position an American first White Catholic nationalism.

Oh, okay. And this is, and, and, and the Catholic is the largest and loudest word within this, this,

Simone Collins: like I said, the tone in America, but Vatican City doesn’t run everything.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, he hasn’t thought through that far. Oh. So we’re not getting to that yet. Okay. So he’s a Catholic American nationalist. Okay.

Now, and he sees these two identities as completely obvious, right? That if you’re a good Christian American, you’re going to be a Catholic American nationalist. The problem is, is that this perspective appears incredibly stupid. If you have any knowledge of American history, America [00:07:00] was essentially founded to be an.

anti-Catholic state, if you don’t believe me, and I’m gonna quote here from an article how Anti Catholicism helped fuel the AM American Revolution. We’re gonna go into the words of a Catholic cardinal. Okay? So this is not an anti-Catholic person saying that this was the reason America was founded. Okay?

In 1912, the English Cardinal Garca flatly declared that quote, the American Revolution was not a movement for civil or religious liberty. Its principle cause was the bigoted rage of the American Puritan and Presbyterian ministers at the concessions of full religious liberty and equality to Catholics of French Canada.

In quote, what? The American Revolution, the American Rev. Were you not taught this in school? I am shocked the number of people who don’t know this. You were not taught that the American Revolution was in large part an anti-Catholic revolution. I mean,

Simone Collins: you know, we hear more about like taxation without representation and the [00:08:00] stamp act and you know.

People not liking the British government.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that the school system has done a very good job of scrubbing this from history because doesn’t

Simone Collins: Well, why would they, the, the British, the, sorry, the, the American school system isn’t exactly like, I mean, we didn’t go to Catholic school. I could get like, maybe if Catholic School wanted to kind of like,

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I think the reason is if you’re wondering why this has largely been covered up.

Is American schools see the oppressed class or the class that was being rebelled against as intrinsically the good guys. Right. And so it wants to uplift the oppressed class or the class being rebelled against. Now in this case, the Catholics weren’t really an oppressed class, but we’ll get to that in a second.

Speaker 5: Okay. Well,

Malcolm Collins: they kind of were, because they were regularly arrested in the 13 colonies for being Catholic, which we’ll also get to. Okay. But it was only legal in two of the 13 colonies, by the way, to Catholicism as a religion to vote as a Catholic or run for office of the Catholic. You weren’t, you weren’t allowed to.[00:09:00]

Now, hold on. You might be thinking I am overstating. Oh, sorry. There’s the point. I was thinking can’t. No, they were just

Simone Collins: like, I thought it was more like you have to have these basic requirements set, but not that things precluded you from being able to vote like you could vote as long as you had property and were a man

Malcolm Collins: simonon.

You, you, again, the American school system has betrayed you. The American school system has lied to you. Mm-hmm.

To put that number in context for you. Free blacks could vote in 10 of the 13 colonies, and Jews could vote in four of the 13 colonies. So in terms of the groups that our founding fathers were afraid of having influence in America, blacks, they were broadly okay whiz. Jews, they were slightly trepidatious about, and Catholics, they were terrified of.

Malcolm Collins: The American school system did this because it didn’t want to have people remember that Catholics could be considered a discriminated group because then they might be able to demand concessions.

‘cause you were

Simone Collins: taught about how Catholics were discriminated [00:10:00] against, especially with the big wave of Irish immigration. That happened much later.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But the reason why we talk about the discrimination of the Irish wave is because it was. Significantly less reactionary than it being the motive for America to become an independent nation.

And if you wanna go into our founding fathers, what did they think? Right, of Catholics because you, oh, you can’t, they couldn’t have really been that anti-Catholic. John Adams this is a quote from him in a letter to Thomas Jefferson. Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?

Another quote from John Adams, second President I do not like the late resurrection of the Jesuits. If ever any congregation of men could merit eternal perdition on earth in hell, it is the company of Loyola. Wow. What did he, what did they

Simone Collins: ever do to John

Malcolm Collins: Adams? Hold on. It wasn’t one guy. They, we’ll get to why the American founders were so [00:11:00] scared of Catholics immigrating into America in a second.

Okay? Yes, please. Let’s go to Samuel Adams. You, I’ve heard of Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration. Revolutionary leader, of

Simone Collins: course, queer brand.

Malcolm Collins: I did verily believe that popery was a religion destructive to all others. In quote letter to John Scully quote, much more is to be dreaded from the gross of popery in America than from the Stamp Act or any other act destructive of civil rights.

In quote, Boston Gazette 1768. So he said they also cared about the stamp Act. Okay? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Also, what didn’t say Come on,

Speaker 3: did England was, what did he say? Search.

Malcolm Collins: Listen, listen to his words. Okay? He cared about the stamp act, but what he said here was. Much more is to be dreaded from the gross of RI in America than from any of these other acts that you were taught about.

So just let me,

Simone Collins: let me be clear about this. They were uncomfortable with the fact that [00:12:00] the British government, which itself is independent from the Catholic church, simply allowed for religious freedom, including that of Catholics

Malcolm Collins: in Canada

Simone Collins: Yes. In Canada, yes. Which it also govern

Malcolm Collins: specifically. One of the things that led to this, and we’ll get to it in a bit was the legalization of Catholicism as a religion and giving them equal rights to other people.

Mm-hmm. The, the, the, the, the literally, I kid you not. The founding fathers would be more terrified that there have been a Catholic president than a black president? Um, No, because yeah, they probably, they saw black people and slavery as like often lists like more complicated institution that needed to eventually be addressed.

They saw Catholicism as antithetical to everything that they viewed, they

Simone Collins: probably would’ve seen like a black presidency as being inevitable given the number of, of men who have kids with. Black women. Black women in even the early American days. So yeah, they’d be like, well, of course, I mean, we’re producing a [00:13:00] lot

Malcolm Collins: of Americans.

Another one here, Samuel Adams, told a group of Mohawk Indians that the law, referring to the Quebec law

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: To establish the religion of the Pope in Canada would mean that, quote, some of your children may be induced instead of worshiping the, the only true God to pay his dues to images made with their own

Speaker 5: hands.

Malcolm Collins: End quote. Okay. Now people are like, well, you know, I, I’m, I’m a Thomas Jefferson guy myself, so even if these other guys hold on. Okay. History, I believe furnishes, no example of a priest ridden people maintaining a free civil government. And then in another quote from him, in every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.

They have perverted, the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon. And now note here, a lot of like atheists have taken these to try to mean, like he was talking about all religion. But if you look at the second quote here, it’s very clear that he’s using priests as euphemism for the [00:14:00] Catholic priesthood.

Because he’s talking about it being perverted into mystery and jargon. And then he says, the purest religion ever inciting that the religion is accurate, it’s Catholicism, which is corrupted it, right? Mm-hmm. And

What I find really interesting about Nick Fuentes positions is that they were so accurately predicted by the founding fathers. The founding father said, this is why Catholicism , is going to have some trouble integrating with an American identity because it will lead people to want a more autocratic state.

To want to restrict the freedoms of the citizens, which are both things that Nick Foes desires, but through desiring them, what he shows is there is nothing American nationalist about his position. It is a, position that is in many ways antithetical to any form of American identity that we had was in our history.

And this is why’s. So important to bring this up. He’s trying to reflect like, let’s go back to , a better [00:15:00] pure America, , when the America of history would’ve seen itself as being able to purify and being able to have freedom and liberty. Specifically because of the absence of people with Nick Fuentes cultural background.

, And they would say to him, why don’t you go move to a country? Because there are many Catholic majority countries that aligns with your values. And I’m, I’m noting here not all Catholics have these values, but there is a reason why these values in the eyes of the American founding fathers and in the eyes of Catholics like Nick Fuentes, , are, .

Correlated specifically Catholicism and autocracy, and a restriction of individual freedoms.

And where I might even agree with Nick Fuentes is that if America was a Catholic state, , because when I look at Catholic democracies, they don’t seem to work very well. They have really high amounts of corruption. They have really high amounts of poverty compared to Protestant democracies. , I have to say maybe Catholicism [00:16:00] actually isn’t compatible with democracy in the way that many people assumed it was.

, And maybe. Other forms of government should be experimented with within Catholic majority populations. The problem , is that is both not America and antithetical to America’s founding principles and the principles America has had since its foundation.

And note here, I don’t mean that the way a progressive means it when they say it. When a progressive means, well, it’s against, America was founded to be a country of diverse individuals and a country where anyone could come. And I’m like, no, no, no, no. America was founded was the understanding that if you got too diverse of a cultural perspective with the country, people. From cultural backgrounds and from environmental backgrounds that are more prone to autocratic, , structures are more prone to wanting to restrict individual freedoms would begin to implement those policies within this country.

I’m coming at it from a literally the antithetical [00:17:00] perspective, saying America was founded to be an exclusive and not an inclusive society, and the type of person it was founded to exclude most is individuals like Nick Fuentes.

But what’s cool about this is as we go through what our founding fathers thought of Catholics and Catholics who might believe they have a mandate to impose their religious rules and structure on other people through the, , legal system of the state, we can see what they would have thought of.

Muslims, for example, in immigrating into the country who believed A, they had a theological motivation to implement Sharia law within any location or really any non Protestant religious group, which is of course offensive. And in a weird way, an alignment with Nick Fuentes ideology. It’s just that he tries to rewrite it as a Christian country founded to keep out non-Christian values when it was really more of an [00:18:00] anti-Catholic country founded to keep out high church values.

And note here, this is not me like being an anti-Catholic or something like that. This is me stating historical facts IE, the motivation of various founding fathers combined with a literal cardinal saying, yes, these are accurate historical facts.

And I would note here if you want to be like, well, this was only way back when America was founded. That certainly wasn’t a property or belief that carried through American history. I’d point out to you that if you go to just like the 1940s and you’re looking at what the KKK was up to, or I think they also had , a flare up in the 1960s.

, Their core enemies were, , Catholics, blacks, and Jews often in that order. , If Nick Fuentes wants to bring back it being okay to be racist and antisemitic, then the third and integral part of that sort of roundup of okayness is having an anti-Catholic sentiment being racist and anti-Semitic in the [00:19:00] US always went hand in hand with being anti-Catholic.

He’s ro, ping it here, basically saying we need to normalize kicking out all the un-American minorities, not realizing he is one of the un-American minorities.

Nick Fuentes might not have realized the can that he just popped open.

Speaker 10: Once your pop, the fun don’t come.

Nick Fuentes: people don’t know that this is the other stuff he’s saying on his own platform. Wrote a clip. Hey, I’m a stone cold, white nationalist, and I love Hitler, and I don’t want Indians here, and I’m not a Democrat, okay?

Speaker 13: And I’m not woken, I’m not liberal. All right. And let me, let me preface it too. ‘cause I don’t want nobody saying, Brandon, you took that context. I watched the entire video. He goes on the, that.

It’s like nobody warned him that if you normalize the dishes, [00:20:00] Jews, and blacks, the next dish on the menu is Catholics. He’s up next.

Looks like meats back on our menu, boy.

Malcolm Collins: Then you might be like, okay, okay, okay. Alexander Hamilton. And so here I’m, I’m reading again from a, a, a piece on this Alexander Hamilton Decried, the Quebec Act as a diabolical threat quote, does not your blood run cold?

To think of the English Parliament should pass an act for the establishment of arbitrary power and popery in such an extensive country. Your loves your property, your religion are all at stake. And this gets me because you will often see Nick Fuentes within the interview that he did and within stuff is he will say, America was founded as a Christian country, and there was a little slight of hand and be like, and Catholicism is the only real form of Christianity, therefore America was founded as a Catholic country.

Mm. And this I think is something he’s doing because he expects his audience to not have [00:21:00] education on the actual motivations behind the founding of America. And I will note, I I, he may be ignorant of it himself. Yeah, he, he may be ignorant of it himself. And note here, I’m not saying that Catholicism was the only reason.

I’m just saying that there is a cardinal who says it was a bigger reason than taxation without representation. And I think most people who take an honest look at history would be like, it was probably at least equal into some of the founding fathers a bigger issue.

Speaker 5: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And we need to get to why it was a bigger issue.

But here now you might be saying like it Wait, wait, wait, wait. Surely there were Catholics living in America at the time of the revolution. Surely, and the answer is not really. There was 1.6% of the population might have been Catholic, and you’re like, what about Maryland, the Catholic colony? And it’s like actually Maryland had periods where it arrested people for being Catholic, which we will go over.

And only 15% of the population of Maryland was Catholic, despite [00:22:00] being originally. Founded as a Catholic safe haven. So to go on here. Yeah. Only three of the 13 colonies allowed Catholics to vote all New England colonies except Rhode Island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics from holding office Virginia would’ve have priests arrested for entering the colony.

Catholic schools were banned in all states except Pennsylvania.

America was basically founded where people from all over the world came together and agreed on one thing. We really don’t wanna live in a country with Catholics.

Speaker 6: Won’t it be nice to get to America where we don’t have to worry about

Catholics.

Speaker 6: anymore? There are no

Catholics.

Speaker 6: in America. But back home in mother Russia, uh, but,

Speaker 2: but there are no

Catholics.

Speaker 2: in America and the streets aren with cheese. There are no

Catholics.

Speaker 2: in America.[00:23:00]

Speaker 7: You think things were bad in Russia? You should see things in my country. Ha.

Malcolm Collins: During the lead up to the revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain routinely equated the practices of the Church of England was out of the Catholic Church in the late 1760s and 1770s colonists celebrated anti Pope days, an anti-Catholic festival derived from English guy Fox Day, named after a Catholic, who attempted to assassinate King James.

I first quote orations cartoons and public hangings of effigies depicted royal ministers as in league whiz alternately with the pope and the devil. Writes historian Ruth Block. So again, the point I’m making here is if anyone tells you America was founded as a Christian country and they’re including Catholics in that mix, they are lying to you or do not understand American history or the seed of American [00:24:00] identity.

Now this is not to say that you cannot be a full American and a Catholic. Today. America has changed what it means to be American. You know, we used to have slavery back then and everything. But I think I also

Simone Collins: feel like Catholicism is quite different today. And we’ve talked about this in other episodes where some of the leading Catholic figures are not like Nick Fuentes ‘cause he was raised Catholic, but instead are converts into the religion.

And also they’re just, I don’t know, they’re, they’re much more pluralistic and I don’t think they are practicing a domineering version of Catholicism than what everyone needs to divorced. We’ll, your

Malcolm Collins: thoughts on this in a second. I agree with some of what you say. I don’t agree with some of what you say.

But let’s continue as the history lesson. Okay? Okay. Yes. Because it’s clear that you were never taught this stuff. No, I really wasn’t. And, and for me, I always just like when I, when I heard this stuff in the past and it really confused me sort of Catholic American nationalism, like when I heard this, I was like, surely there must be caveats to this.

Yeah. They don’t actually think America was founded as a [00:25:00] Catholic country, do they? And I think going into this can help be like, this is an identity you can have, you can be a Catholic American nationalist, but there are things that you have to grapple with to adopt this identity. And you know, if, if you really want to be a Catholic nationalist, you might be better off immigrating to a Catholic majority country, which there are lots of, and, and we’ll talk about why the founding fathers, because the founding fathers were not afraid of Catholicism for no reason. There actually are some theological reasons for this Really? Okay. That make, even in moderate Catholics, it, it, it can cause some co conflict with American core values that I think even today, everyone would argue our American core values.

Hmm. Even, even Nick Fuentes would argue our American core values. Hmm. He just hasn’t thought through where Catholic theology might have a problem with these values. I mean, he literally probably has, this is the thing that I don’t get. He, he, through the entire interview, he’s talking about how like Jews are loyal to like a separate state that is like [00:26:00] antagonistic to us.

And I’m like, Nick, like on every issue that you say is important to like America, like the immigration campaign that we’re doing and stuff like that, the, the, the Vatican has spoken against it, right? Like this is an organization that is actively opposed to most, they even did. I think the whole of the most interesting

Simone Collins: points Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Announcement that we’ll get to that seemed directly targeted at Nick Fuentes basically saying, stop doing this stuff. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, I think his form of Catholicism works because he is not a, he doesn’t actually care. And this is true of a lot of our fans. And I think a lot of the, the American Catholic nationalists, they don’t actually care about the Pope.

They don’t actually care about service to the Central Vatican bureaucracy, but unfortunately that kind of makes them. Protestants who are calling themselves Catholics which they’re like, well call ourselves Catholics until the church works itself out again, but we’ll talk about this in a second. Okay?

Speaker 4: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: I’m going back to reading from an article here. It was, when I mentioned earlier, [00:27:00] Roger Sherman and other members of the Continental Congress wanted to prohibit Catholics from serving in the continental Army. In 1774, parliament passed the Quebec Act, taking the enlightened position that the Catholic Church could remain the official Church of Quebec.

This appalled and terrified many colonists who assumed this to be a British attempt to subjugate them religiously. And by allowing the Los and Catholics to expand into the colonies, colonial newspapers railed against the poppish threat. The Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation would now allow quote these dogs of hell in quote, to quote, erect their heads and triumph within our borders.

In quote goodness gracious, quite a bit stronger than Nick Fuentes words on immigration today will be. The Boston Evening Post reported that the step was quote for the execution of this hellish plan in quote, God to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America and Rhode Island. Every [00:28:00] single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2nd, 1774 to March 20th, 1775 contained quote, at least one insidious reference to the Catholic religion of the Canadians in quote, oh my God.

According to the historian Charles Metsker, they couldn’t write a single paper. This is like mainstream. You’re getting Fox News of this era. Literally every newscast is starting with a toast. Catholics sir, but what I mean is if you weren’t taught this right, you are unaware of how important this was to the mindset of the American Revolutionary and of the founding fathers of this country.

And this, this becomes important. We haven’t gotten to like where this matter is with all of his Jew stuff, but it will actually be very germane in just a second. Okay? Okay. In New York, a group marched to the financial exchange carrying a huge flag inscribed George, third Rex and the [00:29:00] Liberties of America, no popery.

Later that day, a pamphlet that had been distributed urging tolerance towards the Catholics of Canada was smeared with tar in feathers and nailed to the Pilly. So let’s go into a bit of the history of what it was like to be eight. Catholic in the American colonies, right? Like, surely these were places of religious freedom.

Maryland founded as a Catholic refugee camp, right? You know what, what, what is this? This, the Catholic colony, they always say that to make you think that. It was like, well, you know, in Massachusetts they might have been anti-Catholic, but in Maryland is where the Catholics were. And you know, yeah, there was like

Simone Collins: a place for everyone in the United States.

There was a place for Quakers, there was a place for Catholics, there was a place for Protestants, there was a place for Protestants, got kicked out by other Protestants, et cetera.

Malcolm Collins: Actually, what happened was there was a Puritan revolt between 1644 and 1646, after which Catholics were stripped of all rights or sorry, of a number of rights.

In 1689, Protestant Association’s [00:30:00] Revolution Catholic governor and officials were arrested. Public Catholic worship was banned until 1776. Oh, so in the Catholic state. Public Catholic worship would get you arrested. Gosh. Okay. Just making like, I wanna be clear about the scale here. People Massachusetts Bay and New England, 1647, Massachusetts banned Jesuit priests, violators faced imprisonment, whipping or banishment.

1650s, two Catholic traitors in Boston were briefly jailed and expelled for possessing rosaries and statues. They were jailed not for. Praying not for anything else, for possessing rosaries and statues of Christ. Oh, the nerve. Or it might have been Mary. Well that’s idolatry. It’s, yeah. I root out, I think we, we need to go back to these laws.

We have been turned off on idolatry. I’m joking. Of course. I don’t think that we should arrest everyone who practices [00:31:00] idolatry. Um, I’m joking again. Of course they don’t see it as idolatry.

So when Proto America did have laws on the book about restricting, , religious freedoms and stuff like that, based on their interpretation of the Bible, , and Nick is like, well, we need to go back to that. These were laws that would get you arrested for having a rosary or.

Having, , iconography of Christ, right? , These were laws that were specifically meant to target individuals like Nick, he is actually protected, and Catholics are actually protected by the direction America has gone to not have these type of laws on the book anymore, to not have laws enforcing religious or ideological doctrine.

So if we actually ask the questions that Nick claims to ask, but ask them with this historical context in mind, the question we’re really asking is, should we go back to a country that arrests people [00:32:00] for having any sort of statue at, of a God, any sort of picture of a God, , in, in their car or in their house? And when I ask this question, I have to say, Hmm. I mean. Maybe crime rates would go down, maybe we would have a more stable democracy. But those are the types of questions that Nick Eth at least wants being aired. I.

I mean, you know, us, we’ve gone back to saying I think that the Cromwell laws, , have merit to them, , outlawing music and dancing and theater and, , certainly, , any iconography that would be religious in nature. , But I just don’t think that those work in a modern context, , for many. Side reasons.

However, I think the spirit of these sorts of laws is something I can get behind. It’s just not, not what Nick would want. And I can only imagine some of our followers here again, who may not have a good historical knowledge, might be like, Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm, come on. You and Simone aren’t even real Christians. You [00:33:00] follow some weird version of Christianity that tries to harmonize Calvinist Protestantism with the latest scientific developments and understanding.

The founding fathers had no form of Christianity like that in mind. Meanwhile, a historian who’s watching them and shares their sentiment is rapidly signaling the, . Cut the mic. Cut the mic. Uh, because if you’re aware of what the, , founding fathers actually believed, you would be aware that it.

Was exactly that, and if it had been allowed to develop, it likely would’ve developed in our direction rather than having the early Puritan communities be replaced by Catholic communities through waves of immigrants.

Malcolm Collins: But anyway new York. Okay. New York, right. The city of all types.

So, in 1700 anti priest law, Catholic priests faced life imprisonment if caught. At least one Father John Uri was executed in 1741. Now I’d note here that the reason he was executed was because he [00:34:00] played part in fighting a slave revolt. Okay.

Simone Collins: I mean, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: if you look at the historical documents, most of the panic around it was the fact that he was Catholic.

That’s not the slaves. It’s the Catholic says. Yeah, that was, that was the bigger issue. This is also true. I will put on screen here this, this image, because it was a popular image of the time period that silversmiths and engraver Paul Revere created a cartoon for the Royal American magazine called the Mitra Minute.

It depicted four contented looking Mitre Anglican bishops dancing in Minette around a copy of the Quebec Act to show the quote. Aberration incontinence of the Roman religion. End quote, standing nearby or the author of the Quebec Act with a devil with bat ears and spiky wings, hovering behind them.

Whispering instructions. And a you could see another thing here, which I think is kind of funny from a modern context. Okay. British were not even Catholic, but they were Mexican. No. Yes. Which spelled kind of like Catholic to the [00:35:00] colonists. Oh, still too, too Catholic derived. Too Catholic. Derived too many, too high church.

It wasn’t just, and this is actually like a very important point. The American colonies were not specifically anti-Catholic. They were anti high. Church America was founded as a state. As an anti high church state, all high church religions that now reside within America, whether it’s Anglicanism or Catholicism or anything like that would’ve mortified many of the founding fathers.

And do require some like degree, if you come from one of these traditions of, of understanding how you reckon with the motive for the Foundation of America. And America’s evolution. Just as you know, I think a, a black person should not an an, you know, you need to take into account like America did have slavery.

Like this was a bad thing that we did. This wasn’t just like [00:36:00] with Catholics. It wasn’t just like the Irish thing, right? It wasn’t just anti-air, it wasn’t just anti Italian. It goes to the very genesis of the country. And I’ll put another political ad here, which is a romanism, and it’s like all of the tendrils, corruption, ignorance, tyranny, superstition.

Wow. Romanism is a monster with arms of satanic power and strength, romanism crushing to the very ends of the earth, the arm of superstition crushing the American child that have subversion crushing the American flag. So I’m not gonna go through the whole good. This is gracious.

Simone Collins: This is just, I, I mean, yeah.

No one, no one’s really sharing this, this stuff. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And so today Catholics make up about 20.8% of the US population. That’s a

Simone Collins: lot. That’s a lot.

Malcolm Collins: You can see our episode, the great replacement already happened, but it basically did, the Puritan Faction of America was essentially replaced with the Catholic faction, which had very different voting behavior and was much more [00:37:00] progressive up until recently.

Recently Catholics flipped and overall Catholics vote conservative now, but up until now, Catholics were largely a progressive voting block. And we’re sort of central to the progressive coalition keep in mind because they were kind of a minority community that had a lot of discrimination against them.

Mm-hmm. And when RFK won the, the, the nomination, everyone was freaking out ‘cause they said you’d be loyal to the church. But why the 20% is important to know is you have Nick Fuentes here, guy who comes out and says Jews are a secret cabal that controls. You know, the US government and industry mm-hmm.

Various aspects and branches of it. Right. And we’re gonna go into the receipts that he has on this. Jews do have disproportionate positions of power across both government and industry. And he says that they used nepotism to achieve this and, and secret organizations to achieve this. Here’s the problem.

Mm-hmm. The United [00:38:00] States is split into three branches of government. Okay. The, the, if, if, if you are an outsider, and you’re not familiar with this, this is to prevent one branch of government from ever gaining control. Well, what if I told you that a shadowy religion and spirit organization had taken control?

Complete control of one third of the United States government. One of these three. Let’s go into the Supreme Court justices right now. Okay. Got John J. Roberts Jr. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Clarence Thomas. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Samuel a Alito Jr.

Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Remember that 20% there? That’s that. [00:39:00] The American Catholic population. Mm. Sonya Soda Moor. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Is she still a Catholic? Yes. Brett Kavanaugh. Raised a Catholic. Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes. Amy Coney Barrett. Raised a Catholic. Yes.

Still a Catholic? Yes. Well, um, well, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now we’re gonna get to the

Simone Collins: What about the Joos Malcolm? They’re there too.

Malcolm Collins: Four and only four non-Catholics. Okay. Amy Coney Barrett. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Me. She’s still a Catholic? No. Uh uh. Oh, sorry, not Kate Co. Neil Gorsuch was raised a Catholic, but now he’s an Episcopal.

Ellen Kager. Kagan is Jewish. And Tigen Brown Jackson is Protestant. Now I note here was this edition of the Protestant person onto the Supreme Court. That’s a pretty big deal because that’s the dominant religion in America. And the last Supreme Court, before she was added. It didn’t have a [00:40:00] single Protestant on it.

Simone Collins: I thought we had more people with Jewish backgrounds than the Supreme Court. It was, it

Malcolm Collins: had one extra Jew, so it was two Jews, and then everyone else was born into a Catholic family with one of them being an Episcopal.

Simone Collins: Oh, was RBG. She was Jewish or had Jewish background.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, Ellen Kagan and Stephen g Brear were the, were the, the last one, but yeah.

But then Ruth, Ruth Ginsburg, the Supreme Court is controlled. If the Catholics decided to vote in a block, they could control the entire way our state determines, like the United States determines and interacts with laws. Right. That’s a big deal. And you could say, well, that’s just because Catholics are disproportionately in the legal profession.

It’s not as if there is a secret, oh God. There is a secret organization that explicitly put them into this position. It’s not

Simone Collins: secret. Secret. So let’s talk’s about the

Speaker 4: Federalist Society, but it’s

Simone Collins: not secret. It’s fine. [00:41:00] It’s out there, it’s doing its thing. It’s very public about what it does. Yeah. So The Federalist, yes.

Ruth Ginsburg was a

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, I mean, because we can see, so the, the Federalist Society is an organization that is run by Catholics. Now that they say that that’s not their motivation, but when you look at the people who they get appointed into judge positions, they are disproportionately Catholics.

And you might say, well, that’s because Catholics are disproportionately conservative, which is also not true. As I pointed out, historically, Catholics were not overwhelmingly majority. So you had a conservative organization that had a lot of Catholics within it. So let’s look at all of these Catholic people who were appointed John J.

Roberts. Was he, does he have Federalist Society ties? Yes. Former steering committee member Clarence Thomas. Yes. Longtime member Samuel Alito. Yes. Active member Sonia Sotomayor? No, the, I think the only one who wasn’t Brett Kavanaugh. Yes. 24 years frequent speaker Neil Gorsuch. Yes. Member convention speaker Amy Coney Barrett.

Yes. Affiliate. All of these Catholics who are in [00:42:00] the Supreme Court were put there by a giant invitation. I think it’s an invitation only society that does have closed towards meetings. So it’s what you would call a secret society that took control of one of our branches of government. Which matters a lot when you consider this in the context of America being founded as an anti high church country.

Right. Because it, it’s, it’s, it, it, it is. Sort of like an active and intentional displacement. Now, am I okay with this? Actually, yes. I’m totally okay with this. I’m okay with it for the same reason I’m okay with Jews favoring in group stuff. The point being is I think that we all have the right to favor our in groups and it’s important to investigate how in group favoritism is working and who is actually a better ally given your values and your long-term goals for America’s future.

But I think to just throw out there, [00:43:00] Jews have taken control of things and used invitation only to organizations to do this is a bit calling the kettle black because Jews control nothing as powerful as the Supreme Court. Just. For context here now to continuum and, and you bet your bottom effing dollar, if the Jews did control the Supreme Court, people would be freaking the F out.

And why am I okay with Catholics controlling the Supreme Court? Because Catholics largely speaking, other than Fuentes, uphold sort of their side of the right alliance, which is to say, I understand that my values are different from the values of your average right wing individual in America, and therefore I won’t impose them on people.

So we can work together in a coalition, which is something I know, I know that all of my values aren’t held by all right wing people, so I do not attempt to impose those values. I try to work where our values overlap, like, you know, restricting the, the age at which you can get an abortion, for example, right?

Like, I think that’s a good thing. We agree on that. Let’s work on that. You know, restricting government censorship, making government [00:44:00] smaller, removing government corruption, removing alphabet soup stuff, right? Yeah. Okay. Now then Nick goes into all of the money we give the Jews, which normally is about 3.8 billion in aid to Israel in a given year.

Okay. Oh, all of this enormous money we give to the Jews. Do you know how many on average we give to Catholic majority countries every year? Oh, 3.2 billion about what we give to Israel every year. But do you know? Well, but that’s

Simone Collins: spread across a bunch of capital. Hold on, hold

Malcolm Collins: on, hold on. It’s not actually, most of it’s in the Caribbean.

But, but but here’s where it gets spicy. The money that we give the Jews, the 3.8 billion, almost all of it has to be spent on American goods. Yeah. IE American weapons, American business. Right. It’s basically just coming right back to the United States. Yeah. The 3.2 billion we give to Catholic majority countries.

That stays in those countries. Really? So it’s not that, do not have to come back [00:45:00] to the United States. Oh, interesting. So at the end of the day, America is losing way more money on Catholic majority countries than we are losing on Jewish majority countries. Wow.

Simone Collins: That’s a very, you, you pose interesting questions when you, when you look at these things, I really appreciate that you d