Curtis Yarvin: How Communists Created the Modern Democratic Movement

In this episode, Curtis Yarvin, a prominent political thinker, dives into the hidden connections between the Communist Party USA and the civil rights movement, particularly through the lens of Stanley Levinson's influence on Martin Luther King Jr. Yarvin also examines the intertwining of Marxism with various political figures and movements, including Hillary Clinton and progressive politics. The conversation explores controversial figures like Jim Jones and connects historical political philosophies to modern-day dynamics, providing a historical context for today's political landscape.

Curtis Yarvin: [00:00:00] Stanley Levinson leaves the Communist Party formally. He founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization.

He recruits King. He writes King's speeches. He manages King's organization.

And basically starts the civil rights movement, it is just a rebranding of the Communist Party USA.

if you're graphing the social networks of the CPUSA, you will always find these like hereditary aristocrats on top. Jessica Medford's she's really the social queen of American communism. She marries is a guy named Bob Truhoft. And runs labor law firm.

So when Hillary Clinton graduates from Yale law school, where did she go to work first? Oh, no. , and it's like Barack Obama's connection to billiards. It's just like, yeah, sure. Let's talk about how many degrees of separation connect vice president Kamala Harris to Jim Jones.

Malcolm Collins: The guy who killed all those people in South America.

Jonestown

Curtis Yarvin: Jonestown.

Simone Collins: And we also

Curtis Yarvin: are not told that Jim Jones was such a huge [00:01:00] booster of the Soviet Union the letter That harvey milk wrote to .

Jimmy carter defending Jim Jones right to take this child who was claimed by his mother from his father and taken to Jonestown who later died in Jonestown.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize this.

Curtis Yarvin: boyfriend who he raped and then, you know, killed himself

Would you like to know more?

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: I tried. I really tried to find a good place to intro the script here, but the stuff said at the beginning keeps getting referenced later on. So you are going to get a stream of Curtis Jarvin thought in this, and it is. A fantastic episode. I think one of our better episodes. , just from an entertainment and informational perspective, if you don't know who Curtis Jarvin is, he's probably one of the most famous living political thinkers. , you might also know him as much as mobile.

He came up with the idea of the cathedral. He founded Herbet. Eddie. He's also a [00:02:00] fervent monarchist.

Curtis Yarvin: With the assistance of 11, with the assistance of 11 labs, you can actually make me say things that I didn't, which is opens up a really large new set of possibilities. And I need to do that absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. You can, you can just catch in things and sound almost like the person results. This is just, it's a useful use of AI and you just make them say what they should have said. You know, cut out those, those Tourette's moments, all those N words, you know, and No,

Malcolm Collins: I'm adding all of those.

That's the point, right? We're going to have you talk like a gangster in

Curtis Yarvin: this entire interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You do the whole cut. And then the person is, the poor person is forced to claim, you know, this ridiculous claim that these nice people you know, edited Dan word into his track and it's really, it's just a patently false claim.

It's just like, my account was hacked, you know, [00:03:00] right? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You were hacked into the AI. You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually

Malcolm Collins: so glad that AI is getting this good because I, when, when people catch me doing actually like horrifying stuff, I'm just going to be like, oh, that was AI.

Curtis Yarvin: I know. I know. And actually what people don't understand is that in the long run, it actually is a privacy technology. It creates more privacy because the result is basically, you know, seeing a video of someone now in the future is just going to be treated like you can you know, it's like someone showing someone a text file and saying they wrote this text file.

Simone Collins: Exactly. Yeah. So he's like, maybe they didn't, maybe they

Curtis Yarvin: didn't write, you know?

Malcolm Collins: So the baby feast, I thought that that was like our major, like under the cover thing of it. Get live that we feasted on babies on the you know, the black moon, but no baby feasts all in. Nobody will believe it.

Curtis Yarvin: The whole proto natalism thing is just, just because the babies are born doesn't mean you need to raise them. I mean, [00:04:00] have you ever seen a zucchini that's full grown? It's disgusting, right? Actually, the zucchinis we buy, those are baby zucchinis, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: You know, do you know what a white coat is?

Malcolm Collins: No. A

Curtis Yarvin: white coat.

It's a baby harp seal. It's a baby harp seal, which is actually in its lanugo. No. Which is the hair, it grows within the womb and it is beautiful, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy white stuff that works great in a coat and it only lasts for

Simone Collins: like a couple

Curtis Yarvin: of weeks. Well they used to club, there's like a, you know, there's, there's a There's, there's, there's a resistance apparently to clubbing them at the moment because they have these cute melting eyes and they look up at you, you know, when they're on the ice before you, before you clubbed them with these cute melting eyes, right?

You know, and of course, you

Simone Collins: know, the men

Curtis Yarvin: who, I mean, and the men who clubbed them, these are the crudest of men. These are French Canadians. These are like, you know, people that. Even the French would reject, right? You know, and they're clubbing these cute baby animals to [00:05:00] death. Very desensitizing. Like, you can't trust a man like this in civilization ever again.

You know, they need to be kept out on the ice. You know, and, and so in any case, you used to be able to buy these fluffy seal skin coats made from baby seal. Obviously suitable only for women. Apparently seal fur is suitable for men as well. So at some, you know, at some point, you know, when I have actual money, I should try and go and buy an antique antique used, used old fur is surprisingly cheap, right?

So maybe you can find like white coat, baby harp seal, you know, which no one has to be harmed for because it's vintage, right? The seal has already been clubbed you know, and, and, you know, no one is harmed by this and it's, and you have this beautiful white fluffy coat.

Simone Collins: Yeah, no one wants furs. It's also like, they smell weird after a while, and it's just not great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, well, I'm sure they can use the material. You can use this material. On the seals, you can use the seals. No, all

Malcolm Collins: of this material is going to be [00:06:00] used. I'm going to be talking about,

it's actually primarily a video podcast. We do a lot of like your

Simone Collins: hair looks really good. I don't know what you're doing.

Curtis Yarvin: I had a supporter you know, paid for me to get a very expensive haircut in, in New York and I've since maintained it. So it's just the right, the right look.

It's the right. Yeah. Do you want me to play the old hits? Should I talk about Irvett? Should I? No, no, I know

Malcolm Collins: exactly what we're going to talk about. I want that whole speech about how Marxism is actually like, this, how it became the culture of the ultra affluent in the United States.

And how it took over that culture. And you, you had this conversation over breakfast and I was just like, this is brilliant.

Curtis Yarvin: The first thing you have to understand about Marx is that Marx is an English gentleman. Okay, he's born in Germany. He is a Jew. He is part of the European world of the early [00:07:00] 19th century, which is a profoundly Anglophile world, and it is a profoundly Anglophile world, both Because English speaking culture is beautiful and amazing, and so many great things have been created under English speaking culture, but also because of the battle of Waterloo.

Otherwise, we would all be speaking French, right? You know, we thought we beat Hitler so that we would not have to speak this hard language, German. Actually, the defeat of Napoleon was the defeat of the sensitive, important language of French. So, you know, essentially You know, the sort of the prehistory of the 20th century is the 19th century and like, you know, it's really, it's a relatively short amount of time.

You may not know. Do you know about the Tyler's?

Simone Collins: No.

Curtis Yarvin: So, the, I believe 13th president, John Tyler who later I believe became a confederate senator. It used to be two, now only one, one of his grandchildren [00:08:00] is alive today.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. Okay. And

Curtis Yarvin: so, you know, this is a guy born in the 18th century who was the 13th president of the U.

S. One of his grandchildren was, is alive today. Now that is some serious longitudinal pronatalism right there because it takes a couple of you know, late in life childbearing experiences. Anyway. So, you know, my point is this country ain't so old at all. Right. And when you look back at kind of the 19th century, which really starts with the American and French revolutions, the rest of the 18th century is a very foreign to us, but it sort of comes into focus more for us.

And it's easier to explain in modern terms, of course, as it goes into the 19th, which is the era of s**t lib revolution. Excuse me, liberal revolutions. And that's another one of these cases where you added 11 labs had had something to do with that. I didn't say that you know, and, and in [00:09:00] any case the, the, so because of, you know, we can't ignore the role of Anglo Saxon.

In the French Revolution, it's huge. It's absolutely the thing. You have like the revolution society in London, which is doing exactly the same thing as like the Soviet sims in 1930 or the Ukraine sims now, you know, they love that s**t. It never dies, right? And hugely romantic because you have this energy of like, it's this telescopic philanthropy that Dickens talks about where you care more about the people far from you.

Remember the heat map, you know, the heat map the meme of the heat map. It's such a good meme. No, explain this meme.

Malcolm Collins: I'm gonna find this meme.

Curtis Yarvin: The heat map is something you see posted on certain areas of Twitter. I think I did a lot of, to popularize it, but it's actually from Nature. And it's basically a publication which shows that when you basically [00:10:00] compare the level of, of, of familial the level of, like, concern for others that people have.

And conservative concern for others, where like liberals,

Malcolm Collins: like love rocks and like conservatives

Curtis Yarvin: love their more than they love rocks more than grandma. Right. You know? And of course their love for rocks is an affectation and not real love. Nobody can really love a rock. Right. You know, probably easier in some ways for a woman.

Nevermind. But, you know, our children are

Malcolm Collins: terrifically autistic. You might be surprised how much they love rocks. Yeah. Yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing I say about my

Malcolm Collins: kid road, love trains. Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. The thing is, the thing that I say about my, my almost two year old is that when you give it an object he hasn't seen before, you always feel like he's observing it to see if it belonged to the previous Dalai [00:11:00] Lama.

You probably know that vibe, right? You know, yes. Funny

Malcolm Collins: way to say it. Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: In any case, we go back to not actually believing in reincarnation. Let's get back to Marx. So the thing is after, after the battle of Waterloo, basically, in which is the first point in which England, you know, the, the unipolar order begins with the battle of Waterloo, right?

And because then England becomes kind of. Clearly, we're all primus inter paris, at least on the seas, right? And that creates, you know, because of you know, there was an Arab, Arab philosopher who's, oh Osama bin Laden, who said, you know, by nature, when we see a strong horse and a weak horse, we like the strong.

So basically, there's a couple of different ways in which, let's call that Osama's rule, right, you know, and there's a couple of different ways in which Osama's law really, you know, [00:12:00] kind of is relevant to the existence of the, like, the shitlib and those, like, original shitlib that Marx

Malcolm Collins: was saying.

Curtis Yarvin: And, and, and, and, you know, cause I cannot speak sensitively about the great Arab philosophers.

And you know, the, the, the, that's. So in any case, in any case, Marxism, so basically Marxism comes out of this world that Dickens is caricaturing with the telescopic philanthropy, specifically what Dickens is talking about, you know, in his little cameo of Mrs. Jelly Bee in Bleak House who She cares much more about liberating the natives of Boreal Boola Gah you know, than her own children in her house, which she leaves unclean, is that she's characterizing a particular piece of kind of, shitlib colonialism, or missionary colonialism, as I say, one of my [00:13:00] voices not being faked by Eleven Labs.

And, and, and this missionary colonialism is what rules the Earth today, basically. It's the spirit of the United f*****g Nations. Which is also, you know, it's ultimately a Kantian spirit. It's like this sort of Europeanization of basically originally British modes of thought that we can trace all the way back to the late 18th century.

And so what happens is that sort of anglophilic thought becomes you know, deracinated, it becomes separated from its roots in Christianity, and it basically becomes this kind of, but, but it still very much is rooted in, in not just Christianity, but like English mainline Protestantism, dissenter Protestantism is sort of its deepest roots, you know, going back, you know, To the 17th and even the 16th century but, you know, it first becomes really [00:14:00] visible in this kind of like in this sort of poisonous spirit of marks.

And I think that marks is real. Innovation was to basically kind of take. So, if you look at the way the founders, right, for example, about political parties, which they call factions, or even the way they use the word democracy. You know, the idea that say, you know, all rationalists, I bet you have a lot of rationalists out there.

They all know about Duverger's law, which says that most political systems favor a two party kind of structure. And if you told the people that wrote the constitution that the U. S. would have a two party structure for its entire operating period as a constitution, they would basically be like, wow, the constitution has actually been inside its operating engineering envelope.

for its entire time because it's basically, you know, it's expecting like questions to actually be solved by like debate among statesmen in the Senate, right? It's like operating in a completely different universe than, you know, than it is today, right? And so there's no [00:15:00] debate in the Senate. What the hell?

Right. You know, the House of Representatives, which is supposed to be the voice of the mob of the people of the turbulent orders has a 99 percent an 88 percent incumbency rate. The Senate is 90 percent and plus an insane seniority system that is nowhere mentioned in any f*****g constitution.

Right. It was like it was written down by God. Right.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Given that around half of the people who watch our show are outside of America. , I'm going to need to provide some context here. I think so the founding fathers of America, when they were building the constitution, one thing that they were very concerned about was that a.

Party system may end up forming in our country.

And so they built the constitution to prevent that. Now, if you are familiar with American politics, you'd be like, but doesn't America have a very strong two-party system and it's yes, it does. And it had one from almost the very first elections we held. So the American constitution failed within the lifetime of the founding fathers and it has been operating outside.

Its. , [00:16:00] meant to operate boundaries for a very, very long time. In addition to that things like the Senate were supposed to be where smart people would go up and debate and compromise and come up with plans for things. We do not have like real debates. , where people are being swayed by other people's words on the Senate floor anymore.

That is not the way the Senate function. So again, operating outside its parameters, And in our book, the pragmatists guide to governance or that pizza's the guardian did on our city state one, we point this out. But the other thing that we point out is sometimes the form that a thing collapsed into is more stable. Then the state it was designed to operate within.

I am reminded here of a collapsed cathedral where I went to college in St. Andrews. , and the Seadrill was in its collapsed state much longer than it was ever in its built state. , and that's because the forms that things collapse into are often self reinforcing. If the [00:17:00] building is still standing for like a hundred, 200 years. , and I think that that's sort of what happened with the U S government. ,

Curtis Yarvin: and so, you know, but I digress. . What Marx's innovation was, you know, that he was basically, he kind of looked at the violence and the conflict and the dysfunction that's inherent in these Republican forms of government and said, no, this is not a bug.

This is a feature, or rather it's kind of this like class war stage is something we have to go through. And so he's kind of goes from this kind of benevolent. Telescopic philanthropy to this kind of violent telescopic philanthropy, where he basically, he goes from wanting to civilize the nation, you know, the peoples of Borea Bulaga.

Again, this is based on, I'm sorry, I digress. This was based on the Niger expedition. This that's spelled N I G E R. Yeah, right. Okay. You know the word and you change the [00:18:00] expedition. Thank you. 11 labs for for you know, fixing, fixing that. And the expedition total failure. They were going to basically civilize the, the natives of the lower delta and teach them to grow cotton.

In like the 1830s, 1840s, I forget the moment, total disaster, ridiculous, you know, cartoon third world shitshow of an experience, right? And so, you know, Marx goes from this sort of benevolent missionary imperialism to this kind of violent missionary imperialism, where you start to see people, like, getting actually excited.

By these kinds of barbarities that they sponsor and getting excited by the class war that they sponsor. It's the sort of extremely refined pleasure, which is so it's sort of it starts to become this kind of psychopathic thing. You know, if you basically supported Stalin in America in the thirties, [00:19:00] right?

You basically all you always had this edge of like, I'm so much more real for you because then you because I understand the need to kill people and you don't

Malcolm Collins: and like, I

Curtis Yarvin: understand that you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. I understand.

Malcolm Collins: In the follow ups to this election cycle is a lot of leftists are like, we need to go back to being a party of the working class, but the working class is trans people, you know, like, I'm like, they were never, they were

Curtis Yarvin: never, they were never a part of the working class.

So the thing is, the idea that go back to is a complete illusion. They were always a party of the aristocrats and going all the way back to Marx and his f*****g sugar daddy f*****g Engels, you know, who, you know, ran a factory and supported this very, you know, profligate you know, person in his sterile intellectual career.

Marx was a great writer to [00:20:00] be fair, really amazing writer, you know, and the but like, you know, sort of reaching the barrier to that evil and like saying no, this thing that you've called evil is actually both inevitable and in its own way. Good. And of course, Marx would have loved to play this game where he's like.

I'm not really saying this is good. I'm not really excited by, you know, the, the, you know, talk of like, you know, gouging your eyes out and jacking off all of your corpse. It's just a metaphor, you know, that I'm like saying, you know, and like, like, like the, you know, he's like the creepy, you know, kid who writes the creepy short, short stories in the high school, you know, English class.

Right. You know, and so, so he's doing this shooter

Malcolm Collins: vibe.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, school shooter vibes, right? And so the thing is, you have these school shooter vibes that, like, extend all the way down to, like, Frantz Fanon, right? Who's just, like, you know, wants to kill, like, colonialists, right? And gets a substantial amount of that work [00:21:00] done.

And you know,

Malcolm Collins: sorry, people won't know this other character you named. What is he famous for?

Curtis Yarvin: Who is Frantz Fanon? Frantz Fanon is he was supported by the CIA. He was a communist. But I repeat myself. He was a He was an anti colonialist, sort of early, basically woke thinker from the 1950s.

This is early sort of No some kind of Europe, you know, international European. Huh. You know, the funny thing about Frantz Fanon is his name is not spelled F R A N Z. It's spelled F R A N Z. F R A N

Malcolm Collins: T Z,

Curtis Yarvin: But it so happens that misspelling it Frans without the T is an error we find in both Barack Obama and Bill Ayers.

Erda, we're excredited to both of those authors. So, yeah, Frantz Fanon is like universally, he's an early anti colonialist thinker, like, he's absolutely completely orthodox. [00:22:00] And he's basically like, you know, kill the colonialist babies and rip them from their mothers wombs or whatever, I don't know what he says exactly, but like, there's like, heavy, bloodthirsty energy there.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: For some examples of exact quotes we have. Violent to the cleansing force. It frees the native from his inferiority complex and from his despair in inaction, it makes him fearless and restores his self-respect. For the native life can only spring again, out of the rotting corpse of the settler. At a level of individuals, violence is a cleansing force.

He also argued that anyone who was a colonized person could enact any form of violence. They wanted against people who he deemed as colonizers without any moral repercussions or moral downsides.

Curtis Yarvin: And

Malcolm Collins: Obama is supporting him and Bill Maher is supporting him?

Curtis Yarvin: Bill Ayers. Ayers. Bill

Malcolm Collins: Ayers. Okay, whatever. The weather

Curtis Yarvin: underground guy. The weather underground guy. According to many reliable, yes, reports was Obama's mentor and wrote his books. Right. And [00:23:00] so we sort of, we see this trace of like this kind of sweet tooth for blood that appears in these people again and again.

And it's like they have a sweet tooth for blood. For power at first, they want to be matter. They want to be listened to. They want to have an impact. They want to change the world in a good way. You give them more and more power here. They like their, their, their results are worse and worse. And eventually they're kind of sweet tooth for power turns into a real sweet tooth for blood, right?

You know, and, and the thing is.

Malcolm Collins: Connect here. Sorry, before you go further, because I want to make sure this is the only episode where the guest talks more than me. I love this. I'm going to get so much.

Simone Collins: This is how it should be, Malcolm. This is how it's supposed to be.

Malcolm Collins: I, but I, yeah, but hold on. I want to make a bridge here.

I want you to talk about this because you're doing a very good job of connecting modern political figures with communists of the past and over this breakfast, when you were talking, you did a really good job of connecting Hillary Clinton [00:24:00] in Marxism, as well as this, like, actor family in the 50s who were supposed to be Marxist and then everyone thought they weren't Marxist.

Oh yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, I was so a couple of, couple of different things there. So, so, the thing is that, you know, the separation between, like, you know, Do you know the biological theory of cladistics? It's like the way you classify No! What are

Malcolm Collins: cladistics?

Curtis Yarvin: Cladistics is a concept in evolutionary biology

Malcolm Collins: that

Curtis Yarvin: basically says here is the only way to do categories in things that are descended in what's broadly called a genetic way, as both genes and languages are.

Simone Collins: Okay,

Curtis Yarvin: so, for example, in both genes and languages, it is a classification error to have the classifications that are purely based on, for example, if you have a category of [00:25:00] animal that flies and you call it a bird bat bug, a bird bat bug is a false category.

Simone Collins: Huh.

Curtis Yarvin: Similarly, if you have a language, if you have a category that is a negative predicate, things that are not birds, that is also a false category.

Actually, if you're really looking at the evolutionary structure, you realize that birds should be grouped with dinosaurs and not with bats.

Simone Collins: Right.

Curtis Yarvin: Okay. But any kind of naive thinking makes you confuse them with bats. Now, the thing is when we're looking at, so that's one way of looking when we use words like Marxist or liberal or whatever, that's one way of looking at what are the distinctions here.

Another way of looking at, say, how do we use these words. Is saying, okay, let's look at the social graphs. So let's, for example, compare, say, the social graph of Democrats to the social graph of [00:26:00] of Republicans. In general, what we would see is that Democrats are tolerated at a Republican event, but Republicans are not tolerated at a Democratic event.

Yes. Right. Okay, that is a, that is an arrow. We would see the same relationship with respect to Republicans and white nationalists. They would love to recruit some mainstream figures from the GOP. They'd love it, you know, let's say you know, Kevin McCarthy showed up at a Klan rally. He would be accepted.

But if David Duke showed up at a GOP meeting, he would not be accepted. They would, let's say Kevin McCarthy comes, he's in his like hood thing, you know, like it's a big secret, right? You know, former house leader, actually also grand wizard. Now it's time to unmask himself. He's, he's been working for the organization all along.

Right. You know, you can see it, right. You know, so the thing is, When we establish that relationship between liberals and communists, what do we see? Do we [00:27:00] see any social exclusion there? Maybe some situations in which the communists exclude the liberals. There's no situation where you're, you're just too much of a leftist.

Come to my party. Your Maoism is totally acceptable. You do not realize that Mao killed 30 million people and you're wearing a Mao shirt? No, we can't have you at this party. Okay, that does not happen.

Simone Collins: Yeah, you can't realize that Che

Curtis Yarvin: Guevara was a murderer. You can't comment on a Che shirt. I have a Che shirt.

Nobody complains,

Malcolm Collins: okay,

Curtis Yarvin: so, so, so, you know, so what you're seeing is that those net, that concept doesn't exclude, like, that's not a meaningful differentiation. Now, the idea that you can't distinguish between a liberal and a communist, that there's no fundamental distinction. Places you to the right of the whole Republican Party since the early 1950s.

Malcolm Collins: Because in

Curtis Yarvin: fact, it even places you to the right of Joe McCarthy. Because Joe McCarthy, of course, you know, insisted that you could tell the difference between a liberal and a [00:28:00] communist. Joe McCarthy was not out to purge the government of liberals. If he had been, he would have realized that he had a much harder problem and he was not actually solving the real problem that he was supposed to be solving.

Let me give you a, let me give you a very specific, here's what you were fishing for. Let me give you a very specific example of this. Did I or did I not talk at this breakfast about the name Stanley Leveson?

Malcolm Collins: I don't know if you did.

Curtis Yarvin: I might have mentioned the name Stanley Leveson.

Malcolm Collins: I don't have a good memory, okay?

You're going so fast here, I couldn't keep it all down. That's why you need me on the show.

Curtis Yarvin: It's all the drugs you did back in the 60s. You know, in any case, in any case, you know, Stanley Levinson. So, you know, one of the things that in order to maintain the separation between communists and liberals, you have to airbrush out of American history.

Is that America also has a civil rights movement in the 20s and the 30s and that civil rights movement is unequivocally part [00:29:00] of the Communist Party USA, which is at its high point in those periods. Self determination and the Black Belt. Oh, I

Malcolm Collins: remember that. This is the guy who ran all these organizations.

Okay, continue. This was really cool. The National

Curtis Yarvin: Negro Congress, you know. Huh. You know, the thing is, basically, the Highlander Where they were communist? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they were communists, right? The CPUSA was a huge thing. I

Malcolm Collins: looked all this up afterwards. Yes,

Curtis Yarvin: yes, yes. They were communists, right? So, so, the thing is, like, after the US You know, the U.

S. has a very different relationship with the Soviet Union in the 1930s than in the 1950s. Okay, in between is the 1940s when there are beloved brothers in saving the world from Hitler. Then suddenly we go to war with them right after the war. What the f**k? The Korean War, we're fighting our old friends.

Like, what happened? This is super weird. This is basically what Orwell is talking about in the end of 1984, [00:30:00] right? You know, somehow people just like retconned this stuff and weren't like, wow, it is super weird that we were allied with Stalin and now Stalin is Hitler. That's super strange, and you read the newspapers from 1944, and they have to totally change their frickin line, right?

So, you know, let me give you a, another interesting fact. This is the fact of Stanley Levison. Stanley Levison who might well have met my grandparents as a Jewish communist in New York in the 40s and 50s.

Stanley Levison has is a person who had two lives. So, and this is all, you know, extremely well, this is not controversial in the slightest. Okay. This is all things that all historians agree on. They just don't really want you to talk about it. Until 1956 he is essentially the CFO of the Communist Party USA.

He's running its treasury. You know, and then in 1956, so the party has several steps in its decline. One of them is the Molotov Ribbentrop pact

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-5: This was the non-aggression pact between the [00:31:00] Nazis and the communists or between Nazi, Germany and communist Soviet union.

Curtis Yarvin: sort of recovers from that, not quite as well as it should have. That's 39, of course, then the start of the Cold War damages it again and the Korean War damages it.

And the final blow. That really renders it a totally fringe organization of no real relevance is 56 in the Hungarian Revolution and Khrushchev's secret speech in which he denounces Stalin. Okay, leaves it really hard to be super faithful after that. Somehow my grandparents managed, many did not. In any case, in 1956, Stanley Levinson decides time for a new gig.

So he leaves the Communist Party formally. It's not like he goes before McCarthy and tells the Senate everything. Oh, no. He does something else. He starts the civil rights movement. To be exact, he founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization. He recruits King.

[00:32:00] He recruits King. He writes all of King's speeches. He manages King's organization.

Malcolm Collins: He's the speechwriter. Whoa, you said that he's making up

Curtis Yarvin: stuff. It's not something, it's like some wild s**t I'm making up. This is just f*****g history, man. He so he creates King. He finds this basically black dude who's gotten a PhD in plagiarism and has a rich, compelling, preacherly, oratorical voice.

And basically starts the civil rights movement, and essentially Americans are never told that it is just literally a rebranding of the Communist Party USA. They try to keep, there's other, you know, other leading figures are also leading communists. You know, and you know, So essentially, you know, a few years after what the Red Star does is it's essentially like removing your prostate when you have prostate cancer.

Okay. Well, actually, no, it [00:33:00] wasn't. You're removing the prospect. We're just going to like jab at 40 or 50 times with a toothpick. And you know what that's going to do is that's going to result in basically spreading cancer cells around your body and only by detailed G. N. A. Examination. Can you see that this like pain you feel one day in your shoulder, which is actually a tumor growing in the marrow that's going to crack your bone open?

You know, like you're reading ribs. Is actually something that came from your prostate and that's what that's result of the red scare not going far enough

Malcolm Collins: Hold on quick side note because when I was researching this the way that you really convinced me is you're like look up the The the web the wikipedia article.

Yeah, i'll tell

Curtis Yarvin: it look at the look up the wikipedia for stanley leveson It tells you that he created the southern christian leaders christian leadership council Look up the wikipedia page for the southern christian leadership council

Malcolm Collins: Control

Curtis Yarvin: f stanley leveson, you won't find it Oh,

Malcolm Collins: that's like one

Curtis Yarvin: of your like, do you know when like truman and the truman show [00:34:00] sees that like there's like The edge of the world is actually like made of like pieces of canvas and they're like stitches in the canvas Right.

How do you stitch that one up? How do you stitch that one up? Right? You know, the thing is so here's another fact that you may not be aware of Wait,

Malcolm Collins: wait, wait, hold on.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, I don't even remember what I said.

Malcolm Collins: I forgot.

Curtis Yarvin: No, no, i'm just gonna i'm gonna inflict this on you malcolm. You're gonna yeah, you're just gonna deal with it So you have you ever heard the word progressive?

Well, you know, the thing is what's funny is my my Parents who I know only through my parents were actual card carrying members of the Communist Party USA for 50 years. I'm not sure what happened to the cards, but I'm sure they had actual cards.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-6: I should clarify that he means this literally communists during this period, you had to buy and pay a subscription for membership to the party. , and you were not considered a member if you were not paying. And it was an incredibly clandestine thing. It was very, very secretive.

And you could have your card taken away if you got in [00:35:00] trouble with the party.

And this could, if you were in some industries, like in Hollywood, absolutely destroy your career.

Curtis Yarvin: The word that they always used, they always used two words.

They used the word communist and they used the word progressive. The word progressive was used universally to avoid outing people for any member or supporter of the party. This is the way the word has been used

Malcolm Collins: and has

Curtis Yarvin: been since about 1930. Before then you have like Teddy Roosevelt, who's actually kind of more of a fascist, right?

 One thing you can go back and read to convince yourself of this is two wonderful publications. One of them is the new masses,

Malcolm Collins: beautifully

Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists. org since we're on a Marx kick today.

Malcolm Collins: Beautifully

Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists.

org. And and it's basically the New Yorker, but for communists in the 1930s, which is to say the New Yorker, basically, but a little more doctrinally orthodox you know, and the other is the communist, which is the journal of the Communist Party, USA, and you can look at those [00:36:00] and you can see the way they use the word progressive and you can see the way that is basically a term for like one of us.

It basically means slash our guys. If you've seen the term,

Malcolm Collins: it

Curtis Yarvin: means slash our guys for Marxists. When they had to be a little bit in the closet, only a little bit in the thirties. Right. And so essentially as the old left, which is a centralized organization under the CPU, I say, because the anarchy anarchic metastatic.

Decentralized universal new left, which becomes wokeism or as some call it, progressivism like appears. It's like you can trace this route back to the twenties and thirties. It's literally a hundred years old. Moreover, if you've heard of the practice, if you've heard of the practice. So let me just finish, because I'm just, I'm really trying to blow your minds as hard as I can at this point.

Just to finish, this practice of cancelling people is actually a communist party practice. [00:37:00] And so, for example, oh yes, so for example, in 1946, 46 I think, Stalin Because the Cold War is starting breaks with the American leadership of the Communist Party USA, which is under a man named Earl

Malcolm Collins: Browder.

Curtis Yarvin: Amazing guy.

Earl Browder has this wonderful line which he says communism is as American as apple pie, which I believe to be true. In any case in any case you know, Browder is running basically the popular front line, which is part of the alliance with FDR. That line says line has to break. The easiest way to break it is to fire the head of the CPU is a from Moscow.

This is highly disturbing to Americans, but unless it gets done, Browder has to be fired. He has to be accused of something and his people have to be accused of something. And one of his people is this woman named Bella Dodd. Who, unlike Stanley Levison, actually really does break with the party. Goes, you know, to the FBI, et cetera, tells everything she knows.

Writes a book called School of [00:38:00] Darkness, very interesting book. And in School of Dark

Malcolm Collins: I'll be back soon.

Well, I told you this would be an entertaining topic.

Simone Collins: Holy

Malcolm Collins: smokes. I mean, I was,

Simone Collins: I've been wondering why, like, cause it's still like, I couldn't get like, wait, why?

Why is Black Lives Matter so Marxist? Why is, like, civil rights communism? Why did they put black

Malcolm Collins: culture first, you know? Like, this shouldn't be related, and

Simone Collins: it's like, oh no, the guy who was the communist guy is then just decided to do, like, civil rights.

Malcolm Collins: What?! Is that black culture? used to be, if you go back to the 60s it had half the number of out of marriage births as white culture.

Now 70 percent of black kids are born with that. Right. And it's, it's just because like a

Simone Collins: bunch of communists were like, we now own civil rights. Like we're going to do civil rights now. And like, that's what that is because

Malcolm Collins: Martin Luther King sold out the black culture by acting as a mouthpiece for this guy.

That

Simone Collins: So

Malcolm Collins: the [00:39:00] guy who used to be the treasurer of the American communist party then just did all this speech writing and you go, Oh

Simone Collins: my gosh. That is like, wow. But it explains so much. It explains so much.

Malcolm Collins: So Curtis Yervin, he's not like the other guests we've had on. I'm not a dude. What a dude. Dominating Curtis Jarvin.

It's like us setting back and he's like having a rant He did but they're good

Simone Collins: rants Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: They are a good way to

Simone Collins: roar top drawer Damn. But yeah, I actually, but like, I just didn't know. I didn't know how deep it was. Like, just how deep the communism goes. It's like communism all the way down what is going on?

What is our country? Oh,

Malcolm Collins: you haven't heard his connections with Hillary Clinton yet? It's bad. I

Simone Collins: wanna hear, I hope he gets a cord. He needs to go to court.

Malcolm Collins: But no, so it gets crazier. So like, I love that, like Curtis Jarvin, you know, he comes on, he, we're like trying to prep him to like, do like an intro.

[00:40:00] Like, okay, this is what does well on YouTube. He's like, f**k it. I'm just starting. Like, I don't get a chance to introduce him. I don't get a chance to promote anything. I'm f*****g starting this.

Simone Collins: He's just, no, he just has to like drop truth bomb after truth bomb. And we've been Dresden like, I don't even know.

And are you, are you Dresden with my reality is burning. She's on fire.

Malcolm Collins: That is a good thing. I like that. And I like you. You are amazing.

Simone Collins: I love you too, but I'm, I'm, I'm a little shook. Malcolm. That was your reality. It was dressed in

Malcolm Collins: bombs.

Simone Collins: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Malcolm Collins: You see, I was like recording. I was like, Oh, I could do a good episode on this. I could do a good episode.

Yeah. But

Simone Collins: you're like, there were so many receipts. You had no more room in like your

Malcolm Collins: note.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I was like, I did too many names.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, if you don't know Curtis Yarbon is a friend of ours. We, we talk with him a lot. I, well, we were [00:41:00] at conferences and stuff. Like every time we're at a conference, like it started, we're like cold acquaintances where we're like, Oh, I know who you are and you know who I am.

But I think we've been at enough conferences. I feel very comfortable calling him a friend now.

Curtis Yarvin: Back! He's coming back! Return. I have returned. All right. So I was telling the story of Bella Dodd, right? You got the Bella Dodd content. So Bella Dodd is on the Politburo and she's one of Browder's people. And gotta go, you know, sometimes, sometimes you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, right?

And what's interesting is how they get rid of her, though. Because They basically prior in front of a kangaroo court for racism. They didn't even use word racism. It was racial chauvinism or white chauvinism, maybe, but basically she was accused of being racist to her. Who did this, the Congress or the communist party?

So basically there was one place where you could be canceled for racism, you know, And it was with the Communist Party in 1948. And it was, it was being [00:42:00] in the poll Bureau of the Communist party, USA.

Malcolm Collins: They did it first.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. And so, you know, you can go and find, basically it's just like people write these f*****g books, like the Origin of Woke or whatever.

Yeah. You know, which starred in like 2012 or even 1965 or something. Right? Yeah. You know, as if you couldn't find, there's this insane book that WB, WEB Du Bois dub wrote.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Du Bois, not DUIs,

Simone Collins: really.

Curtis Yarvin: No. And, and the the, the like, and, you know, which is called Dark Princess, and it's this insane like anti colonialist, like, you know, fantasy, like, oh, it sounds like a vsm.

Simone Collins: Chicklet. Yeah. Yeah. And

Curtis Yarvin: it has, it has that element to it. Right. I think. And, and, and, and, you know, it's like, it's kind of pulpy, you know, and it's not, it's not, it's not good, you know, which is why. So who's,

Malcolm Collins: who's referenced this book? What's the [00:43:00] relevance?

Curtis Yarvin: This was a review. I only found this book in a review by, I believe, Wyndham Lewis from the 1930s.

You know, Wyndham Lewis is very I gotta find the quotes

Malcolm Collins: from this. By the way, Simone described this when you were gone, because we kept recording. She goes, she's been what is it? Firebomb like Dresden with truce bombs, right, right, right, right. And so, yeah, and so,

Curtis Yarvin: and so, yeah, it drives you, it drives you, you know, like, yeah, you have to, you have to struggle a little to keep your sanity, right, you know, and, and the thing is, you know, basically, you know, the truth about history is that basically.

Like, QAnon is right in spirit, okay? It's wrong about everything, but like, in spirit, like, you know, understanding, understanding that, that like, this is not like your mother, like, this is a demonic organism from outer space. Like, that's the thing to really understand. You know, it's like, I was, I was seeing someone writing ab