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Our fearless host is back in the USA and filled with ennui, but worry not, we have another flawless episode for you this week. Ian Shelton of Militarie Gun joins the show to talk about The Adicts, Concord California, and differing relationships to baristas. Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Ian SheltonProducer: Jessie Miller-GordonAssociate Producers: Chris Sutton and Devon RenaldoAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bonj, good people: Your dear host is still transmitting from abroad. Jason Isbell is a top-notch musician and songwriter and, like how Yasi was born with a podcasting mic in her hand, Jason picked up a guitar at an early age and never put it down. In this episode he answers the 24 questions with gravitas and charm, and we hear what “Demna” sounds like in a Northern Alabama accent. Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Jason IsbellProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome back to '24 Question Party People.' This week's episode is one day late because of the holiday, but we'll be back Tuesdays starting next week. In this episode, we bring our 24 questions to Counting Crows front man Adam Duritz, and we manage to reflect on a range of topics, from the virtues of sincerity to his favorite blended alcoholic bev to what meme encapsulated his and Chris Carrabba's essence. As always, you’ll have to listen to figure out what any of that means. Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Adam DuritzProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to 24 Question Party People, hosted by Yasi Salek. Each week, a guest will be asked the same set of 23 questions (with one wild card) to wildly different results. On our inaugural episode, we welcome the legendary Liz Phair in the wake of the 30th anniversary of her first album 'Exile in Guyville' to talk music, doubters, lives unlived, and why she will never see that DM you sent. Let’s get into it, babe. Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Liz PhairProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producers: Chris Sutton and Troy FarkasAdditional Production Supervision: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What can be said about the original 80’s Los Angeles freak band that hasn’t been said before? Gotta listen to find out, babe. Jessica Hopper joins us this week to track Los Angeles legends Jane’s Addiction from their formation, through Lollapalooza, and back to reforming the band and living más. Follow Jessica Hopper on Twitter @jesshopp Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It wasn’t the future of rap, but it was the future of rock. In 1993, one of the strongest music years in popular memory, a quirky soundtrack was released that ended up eclipsing the movie it was made for. Perennial Bandsplain favorites Sean Fennessey and Rob Harvilla join us to talk about what led to this moment, and what followed. Follow Sean Fennessey on Twitter @seanfennessey Follow Rob Harvilla on Twitter @Harvilla Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two people fell in love at University and then they started writing good pop songs. Decades later they still can’t see what the big deal is, but they released three albums as The Sundays, and people never got over it. NPR editor Hazel Cills joins us to discuss the idyllic sounds and reasonable attitudes of this short lived, yet perpetually ongoing band. Follow Hazel Cills on Twitter @HazelCills Listen to the song we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are you a tote carrying member of the Sad Dad’s club? What does it look like if you tell a different guy to draw a man? You’re going to find out, babe. This week on Bandsplain, frontman, writer, label owner and podcast host Jeremy Bolm joins us to discuss Brooklyn’s own Cincinnati band, The National. Follow Jeremy Bolm on Twitter @JeremyXBolm Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Part 2 of the DMB resplaining picks up right where we left off. Dave and the guys are jammed up recording, and things get a little off the rails from there. Host Yasi Salek and returning guest Grayson Haver Currin take the listener from the early internet confusion of the Lillywhite Sessions to present day and the band’s latest album, 2023’s Walk Around the Moon. Follow Grayson Haver Currin on Twitter @currincy Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sometimes when you really love something, you don’t let it go, you revisit it again and again. That’s why we’re resplaining the Dave Matthews Band, babe. Longtime music critic and newspaper editor Grayson Haver Currin is back with us to give Dave and the Band the full Bandsplain treatment they deserve. This first episode takes us from long before Miller’s bar in Charlottesville to the heights of popularity and fame somewhere in between the Chicago river and an infamous unfinished recording session. Follow Grayson Haver Currin on Twitter @currincy. Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rob Harvilla joins Yasi to go through listener questions. Should you resent your poser ex boyfriend? Will there ever be a cult band again? And what do you playlist for your HIIT class?? Plus a special guest you’ve all missed as much as we have. Follow Rob Harvilla on Twitter @Harvilla Follow Producer Jesse on Twitter @ItsMeJMG Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Six Albums, two members. The White Stripes were there and then they weren’t. Breaking through from Detroit’s garage scene and rock n’ roll tradition to worldwide success, you now hear Seven Nation Army in arenas around the world they’ve never been to and will never play week after week. Find out how a complicated sounding relationship was simple, and a legend took shape. This week we are joined by Ringer Head of Content, podcast extraordinaire, and longtime music writer, Sean Fennessey, as we work through how an unlikely group made perfect sense for international glory. Follow Sean Fennessey on Twitter: @SeanFennessey Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paramore exploded into the popular consciousness in the mid aughts only a couple short years after forming, releasing their first records while the members were still hovering between teenagerdom and adulthood. Through all the push and pull this band has managed to grow and continue to put out compelling music with an evolving sound. We are joined by the amazing and prolific writer and podcaster Ira Madison III to discuss how Paramore found their way into so many hearts and minds. Follow Ira Madison III on Twitter: @iramadisonthree Listen to the songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Would you believe us if we told you there was a moment in 1995 when some people wondered out loud if Anaheim was the new Seattle? To find out how this happened, join Yasi and this week’s returning guest Bethany Cosentino as they dig deep into their SoCal roots and traverse the career of Orange County’s No Doubt. From their late 80’s formation to mid 90’s explosion and eventual early aughts pop renaissance, No Doubt emerged as one of the signposts for alternative music at the end of the 20th century. Tune in as we retrace that journey from the beginning to present day. You Can Follow Bethany on Twitter @Bestcoast Listen to songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Ryan and Rob Harvilla return to Bandsplain Arena with our star player Yasi. On this episode we dive into the heart of indie sleaze: 2002. Interpol has New Yorkers up all night and Dr. Dre is teaming up with Gwen Stefani and Eve. Tune in to find out who rates what from this cursed year, and why they love it. You can follow Chris on Twitter @ChrisRyan77 You can follow Rob on Twitter @Harvilla Listen to songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

That’s right listeners, you’re back taking a ride with your best friend. Our Heroes Yasi and Patrik return to hack their way through the second half of Depeche Mode’s monster career, in which they navigate fame, fortune and the 90s, as well as the spectre of Dave Gahan’s goatee. How did they survive it all? Listen to the opposite of silence to find out. You can follow Patrik on Twitter @PatrikSandberg Listen to songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The story of how a few synth-curious teenagers became one of the most influential - and enduring - musical institutions of our time. In Part 1 of our wild two part ride, Yasi and her guest Patrik Sandberg follow the lads of Depeche Mode from their humble but ambitious Basildon beginnings as they develop their sound by way of a variety of powerful influences, including Daniel Miller of Mute Records, Genesis P-Orridge, and their second home, the city of Berlin, dropping hit single after hit single along the way to their Black Celebration. You can follow Patrik on Twitter @PatrikSandberg Listen to songs we detail in the episode HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joy Division made a huge impact in a very short amount of time. The iconic Manchester outfit that would tragically have to turn the page and become New Order were formed quickly in the wake of a Sex Pistols show, and released some of their most prominent tracks after the passing of their lead singer, Ian Curtis. Anthony Anzaldo of the band Ceremony joins Yasi to explore this shooting star of a band that helped bring in a new sound and way of doing things. You can follow Anthony Anzaldo via his band on Twitter @Ceremony Listen to songs we detail in the episode HERE This episode includes discussion of suicide. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how, and when you’ll listen. For resources on these topics, visit spotify.com/resources. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hanif and Yasi continue on their voyage, picking up in the heart of the Cure’s discography. Did we leave you with your Head on the Door? Don’t Disintegrate. Our heroes pick up right where they left off and take you to present day. You can follow Hanif Abdurraqib on Twitter @NifMuhammad Listen to the accompanying playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/647QhOpb2HfJUhYiIF1KmD?si=87156fa1f52f4ed8 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're back babe and we're bringing you an epic two-parter on the Cure, with a Bandsplain favorite repeat guest, the renowned poet, critic, and author Hanif Abdurraqib joining us once again. The Cure are bigger than any one genre with a decades-spanning discography to match and you better believe we cover it all. Part 1 takes us from their humble beginnings in the distant London suburb of Crawley through the divisive album The Top. LFG. You can Follow Hanif Abdurraquib on twitter @NifMuhammad Listen to the songs we detail in this episode here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0DBAp7KjsYPkslgtnzza7I?si=0bfb920cfc854b82 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bandsplain returns with brand new episodes Thursday, March 9th. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

To wrap out the year and our first season at The Ringer, we thought it would be fun to do our own cute little draft. So here it is, The 1992 Music Draft, in which Rob Harvilla and Chris Ryan join Yasi to decide what the best albums, rap songs, rock songs, pop songs, wild cards and music videos of 1992 were. The choices herein may shock even the most passionate of heads. You can follow Rob Harvilla on Twitter @harvilla and Chris Ryan on Twitter @ChrisRyan77 Thanks for listening this year, we’ll see you all back here in 2023 for more episodes of Bandsplain! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Teenage Fanclub emerged from the fertile Scottish rock scene of the late 80s as a fully formed power pop band and went on to lead a long, prolific, and often surprising career; from beating out Nirvana to land the top spot on SPIN's best albums of 1991 list to teaming up with De La Soul for a song on the legendary Judgment Night soundtrack to being anointed Liam Gallagher's second favorite band (after Oasis of course) and so much more. Joining Yasi to discuss his number ONE favorite band is Death Cab For Cutie and Postal Service frontman Ben Gibbard You can follow Death Cab For Cutie on Twitter @DCFC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Fallon and Yasi wrap up their journey through the long legacy of The Clash, picking up in 1979 with the release of the iconic London Calling, straight on through Sandinista!, Combat Rock and the end of an era. Follow Brian Fallon on Twitter and Instagram, follow The Gaslight Anthem on Twitter and Instagram Some of the books we consulted while working on this episode, if you want to read along: Redemption Song Passion Is A Fashion A Riot Of Our Own Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Clash were the undeniable breakout stars of the explosive UK punk rock scene. The Gaslight Anthem frontman Brian Fallon joins us as we dig deep into the history of the only band that matters. Yasi and Brian discuss the 101ers, Joe Strummer's many name changes, almost Sex Pistol Mick Jones and legendary Clash manager Bernie Rhodes. Follow Brian Fallon on Twitter and Instagram, follow The Gaslight Anthem on Twitter and Instagram Some of the books we consulted while working on this episode, if you want to read along: Redemption Song Passion Is A Fashion A Riot Of Our Own Join us next week for part 2 of The Clash with Brian Fallon! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Producer Dylan returns to join Yasi in another dive into the listener mailbag! Questions include guilty pleasures, if we ever hear from the bands we talk about and how we find new music to love. Speaking of, here’s a list of some bands we recommend in this episode: Crushed Luster Narrowhead Temple of Angels Gel Momma Fleshwater Blondshell Gradient AZ Power Fime Wild Pink Soul Blind Teenage Wrist Superbloom Superheaven Money Cloakroom You can subscribe to Producer Dylan’s newsletter HERE and Producer Niko’s HERE No episode next week, but join us back here on December 1st for a new episode of Bandsplain! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emerging from Seattle’s early 90s grunge landscape, Sunny Day Real Estate became legends of an emerging midwestern emo sound that began to redefine the boundaries of the genre. Meeting us there in the blue where the words are not is writer and podcaster Ian Cohen. Follow Ian Cohen on Twitter @en_cohen and listen to his podcast Indiecast @Indiecast1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rolling Stone writer and author Rob Sheffield joins us to dissect the long, storied history of the legendary Big Star, a band with a handful of records and an indelible legacy that reaches beyond the decades of their origin. Follow Rob Sheffield on Twitter @robsheff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Offspring were one in a wave of southern California bands that ushered in a renewed interest in punk rock to the ears of the masses, becoming one of the best-selling punk rock bands of all time and here to help us come out and play is SPIN Editorial Director, Daniel Kohn. Follow Daniel Kohn on Twitter at @danielkohn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Third Eye Blind may have doot-doot-dooted their way to late 90s radio ubiquity, but there’s so much more to the story. Chris Black returns for a reconsideration of the earworm songwriting and complex lore of the singular Stephen Jenkins. Follow Chris Black on Twitter at @donetodeath. Subscribe to How Long Gone on Spotify Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rob Harvilla and Yasi continue their epic trek through the Smashing Pumpkins story post-1993’s Siamese Dream, in which the Pumpkins transcend 1990s alt rock cultishness into rock phenom status with their opus double-album, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Follow Rob Harvilla at @harvilla on Twitter and listen to his The Ringer podcast, 60 Songs That Explain the 90s. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rob Harvilla joins us for the noble effort of explaining The Smashing Pumpkins, one of the most commercially successful and musically impactful rock bands of the 1990s. Yasi and Rob cover the first half of the band’s breakthrough career and comb through the origin story of Billy Corgan’s emergent and unusual celebrity. Follow Rob Harvilla at @harvilla on Twitter and listen to his The Ringer podcast, 60 Songs That Explain the 90s. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bandsplain is back babe and we are now part of The Ringer Podcast Network. New episodes start Thursday September 29th. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bad Brains were one of the most influential hardcore bands of all time, from inventing moshing to being groundbreaking black punks who injected hardcore with a Rastafarian philosophy and reggae influence. Though they were “banned in DC,” they built the foundation for hardcore and the history of punk to come. Photographer and unofficial mayor of LA Atiba Jefferson brings his lifelong fandom to the table as he and Yasi chart the history of Bad Brains. Follow Atiba Jefferson on Instagram at @atibaphoto. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ann Powers returns for part 2 of PJ Harvey, covering the next period of Harvey’s prolific career—from To Bring You My Love on—which was punctuated by confident creative expansions, big-hitting collaborations, flirtations with pop success, and continued artistic investigations into riveting subjects. Follow Ann Powers on Twitter at @annkpowers, and find her latest book, Good Booty: Love and Sex, Black and White, Body and Soul in American Music wherever fine books are sold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For Yasi’s birthday, she can have a two-part PJ Harvey episode as a treat. Ann Powers of NPR Music is welcomed back to Bandsplain to dissect the lauded work and cinematic life of Polly Jean Harvey, who Ann calls “the artiest rock star of the late 20th century” and a vector for deep discussions on gender, sexuality, mysticism, myth-making, and art. Follow Ann Powers on Twitter at @annkpowers, and find her latest book, Good Booty: Love and Sex, Black and White, Body and Soul in American Music wherever fine books are sold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Neutral Milk Hotel released only two studio albums in the mid-to-late 90s, On Avery Island and In An Aeroplane Over the Sea, but they’ve since been consecrated as quintessential indie rock classics. Emerging from the Elephant 6 musical collective, bandleader Jeff Mangum led this eccentric musical experiment that left much mystery, and a large cult following, in its wake. This week, Wall Street Journal’s rock and pop music critic and former editor-in-chief of Pitchfork Mark Richardson joins Yasi to explain Neutral Milk Hotel. Follow Mark Richardson on Twitter at @markrichardson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the mid-70s, four not-so-typical teenage girls came barreling into the nascent UK punk scene. The Slits split in the early 80s, but their impact on punk was profound and foundational. Zoë Howe, author of Typical Girls, the Story of the Slits, joins Yasi to talk about the revolution of the Slits. Follow Zoë Howe on Twitter @ladyzoe2dots, and check out her book, Typical Girls, the Story of the Slits, on her website, zoehowe.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Primus, led by bass-slappin’ virtuoso Les Claypool, emerged from the Bay Area’s funk-punk-metal hybrid scene of the late 80s and 90s, to become a textbook cult band—you either love ‘em or hate ‘em. Music journalist Christopher Weingarten makes the case for the true cult fandom of Primus and the oddball, arty genius of Les Claypool. Follow Christopher Weingarten on Twitter @1000TimesYes and pick up his 33 ⅓ book on Public Enemy’s It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Operation Ivy was likely your favorite band’s favorite band, and Corbett Redford, director of the documentary Turn It Around: The Story of East Bay Punk, tells us why. These teenage pioneers of ska-inflected punk were a flagship band of Berkeley’s 924 Gilman scene in the mid 1980s, releasing only one full length that galvanized a scene and several generations of future punks. Follow Corbett Redford on Twitter at @CorbettRedford and check out Turn It Around: The Story of East Bay Punk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pitchfork’s Quinn Moreland joins us to explain the reverberations of Jenny Lewis’s reign as the queen of 2000s indie rock with her band of Los Angeles darlings, Rilo Kiley. Follow Quinn Moreland on Twitter at @quinnmoreland. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We’re back with Cole Cuchna, host of Dissect and Key Notes, for Part 2 of Radiohead, starting from their revolutionary 2000 album Kid A through their continuing evolution both as a band and as individual artists. Steven Hyden, author of This Isn’t Happening: Radiohead’s Kid A and the Beginning of the 21st Century, also joins us for an examination of Kid A’s impact on music criticism and the album’s context within rock music history. Follow Cole Cuchna on Twitter at @dissectpodcast and check out his podcasts Dissect and Key Notes, only on Spotify. Follow Steven Hyden on Twitter @Steven_Hyden, and check out his podcasts Indiecast and 36 From the Vault. Find his book This Isn’t Happening: Radiohead’s Kid A and the Beginning of the 21st Century wherever fine books are sold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cole Cuchna, host of Dissect and Key Notes, brings his keyboard to Bandsplain for Part 1 of our deep dive into the history, music theory, and immense, innovative impact Radiohead has had on music at large. Covering their first era, Cole and Yasi take us through the band’s Oxford origins, to how they grappled with and later defied Creep’s one-hit-wonder status, all the way up to their groundbreaking work on OK Computer. Stay tuned next week for Part 2 of Radiohead. Follow Cole Cuchna on Twitter at @dissectpodcast and check out his podcasts Dissect and Key Notes, only on Spotify. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Once again, Yasi and Producer Dylan take a little breather from the 60 page Google Docs and 5 hour episodes to answer your burning questions, including: the making of Bandsplain, what bands we’re listening to now, and why we haven’t done Guided By Voices yet. Special shout out to our Gen Z listeners who called in, you are very cool. Check out the artists Yasi and Dylan recommended in this episode: Turnstile Enumclaw Big Thief Soccer Mommy Snail Mail SASAMI Girlpool Wednesday OVLOV Young Guv Fucked Up Niis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A major figure in the cool girl canon, Liz Phair broke through Chicago’s indie rock scene (and its politics) with her seminal 1993 debut, Exile in Guyville, setting her off on a fearlessly confessional path of continual, defiant self-reinvention. Writer Niko Stratis talks with Yasi about Liz Phair’s bold songwriting and boundary-pushing across the worlds of provincial indie rock and chart-topping pop. Follow Niko Stratis at @nikostratis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In honor of 3/11 day, we present to you: 311. Purveyors of positivity as well as amber-colored energies, 311’s extensive career gets a thorough and loving look from writer and known Excitable, Marty Sartini Garner. Follow Marty Sartini Garner at @mrrrty. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Songwriter laureate of Los Angeles Randy Newman gets explained by the Valley’s own Molly Lambert. Infinitely more prolific, and controversial, than his common image suggests as the “I Love LA” and Toy Story theme song guy, Molly takes Yasi on a tour of his extensive and complex oeuvre as Hollywood songman. Follow Molly Lambert at @mollylambert. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sublime, the ultimate legacy band for stoner kids everywhere, get explained by return guest Jeff Weiss. Jeff joins Yasi to make the case on how Sublime’s Long Beach heritage and their of-its-time infusions of ska, punk, rock, and reggae made them a ubiquitous Southern Californian musical export, even after singer Bradley Newell’s passing in 1996. Follow Jeff Weiss at @passionweiss and check out The LAnd magazine at @theLAndmagazine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Ringer’s Chris Ryan joins us for a long-awaited Bandsplain on one of Yasi’s all-time favorite bands: Pavement. Steeped in Californian suburban ennui, the casual, scruffy brilliance of Pavement pierced through the indie rock heyday of the post-grunge 90s to make them one of the most enduring rock bands from that moment. Follow Chris Ryan on Twitter at @ChrisRyan77 and check out his Ringer podcasts The Watch, The Rewatchables, Music Exists, and The Ringer NBA Show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Minutemen from San Pedro, CA were a band of childhood soulmates whose experimental sound, working class roots, and lucid politics made them all-timers in the history of punk. Joe Gross returns to highlight Minutemen’s DIY ethos of “jamming econo,” and the timeless influence they had on the whole of independent music that came after them. Follow Joe Gross on Twitter at @joegross and pick up his 33 ⅓ book on Fugazi’s In On the Killtaker wherever fine books are sold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices