Azure & DevOps Podcast

Joining Jeffrey today is Jimmy Bogard, an Independent Consultant, long-time Microsoft MVP award recipient, C# guru, and author and maintainer of AutoMapper (as well as many other open-source projects!) He has twenty years of experience building mission-critical applications and distributed systems with extensive experience in Agile, Test-Driven Development, Domain-Driven Design, Object-Oriented Design, Service Oriented, and Distributed Systems. Jimmy's convention-based object-object mapper, AutoMapper, is used by tons of teams everywhere and has over 14 million downloads on NuGet. In this episode, Jimmy speaks about the genesis of AutoMapper, how it has evolved over time, shares about his career journey, speaks about MediatR, and gives his thoughts on Blazor and beyond. Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About The Azure DevOps Podcast and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups. [1:31] About today's episode with Jimmy Bogard! [1:50] Jeffrey welcomes Jimmy to the show! [2:15] Jimmy gives a rundown of his career. [3:12] Jimmy shares his thoughts around consulting and what he misses about it. [5:15] Jimmy tells the story of how AutoMapper got started. [8:30] Jimmy gives some advice for those who have not used AutoMapper before. [12:43] Jimmy speaks about the refactoring of the original AutoMapper interface to a top-level interface. [14:51] With AutoMapper now going on 13 years old, what would Jimmy say are its main strengths? What does he always reach for it? And what uses does he advise against using it with/for? [17:37] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:04] Jimmy shares some background about MediatR and how it got started! [20:07] What MediatR started out as and how it developed over time. [21:13] Jimmy shares about the practical uses of MediatR and why someone would want to use it. [25:32] How the MediatR library makes it easy to codify everything your application does as a command, query, or event. [26:24] Jeffrey and Jimmy discuss how to think about what's complex for developers. [28:32] Side effect of using the MediatR library: telemetry. [30:26] Jimmy's thoughts on Blazor and beyond! [37:55] How to follow-up with Jimmy and find him online! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow Jimmy's Blog: JimmyBogard.com Jimmy's Twitter @JBogard Github.com/JBogard AutoMapper AutoMapper on NuGet MediatR Blazor JSON StructureMap ASP.NET Core Angular React Vue Microsoft's MAUI Project Microsoft Silverlight Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey is joined by Danny Vandergriff! Danny is a Principal DevOps Architect at Clear Measure, designing DevOps solutions for clients in a variety of industries. He's also done a tremendous amount of work in the area of database administration for large and complex SQL Server databases. In this episode, Danny discusses both the Dev and the Ops of DevOps! He gives advice to developers new and old to the industry; tips around designing and implementing SQL databases for business applications; his thoughts regarding disaster recovery, availability, and managing different regions in Azure SQL; recommendations for what processes .NET developers should be looking at when load testing their applications; and his thoughts on Kubernetes, TeamCity, and more! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [1:01] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:30] About today's episode with Danny Vandergriff! [1:48] Jeffrey welcomes Danny to the show! [1:57] Danny shares his career background as well as his motivation for getting into the software industry in the first place! [2:56] Jeffrey and Danny do a synthesis of Dev and Ops. [5:10] Danny shares what he has learned from designing and implementing SQL databases for business applications. [6:38] If developers are starting new applications today, is it more common to put the database on a VM or to use the Azure SQL service? [8:43] Danny gives a rundown of the concepts that you do not have to think about with Azure SQL. [9:31] Danny explains the concept of DTU; database transaction unit. [10:26] Is there any way to autoscale the DTUs like in App Service? [10:52] Danny shares how he thinks about disaster recovery, availability, and managing different regions in Azure SQL. [11:58] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:22] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [14:12] Danny's recommendations for what process .NET developers should be looking at for load testing their applications. [15:44] Danny's go-to recommendations for developers getting started with load testing for the first time. [17:24] Regarding new applications, until they have been formally load tested or used in a fully loaded production environment, it doesn't scale. Is this correct? [18:28] Danny speaks about the landscape regarding build and deploy tools today and how he thinks about the different approaches. [20:10] The current state of .NET applications and Kubernetes. [21:48] Danny shares his thoughts about TeamCity. [23:23] Danny speaks about the tools and methods people should be thinking about when monitoring and supporting the applications running in production. [25:11] Danny's favorites when it comes to starting a new application. [29:49] Danny provides his final pieces of advice for developers. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow BlazeMeter JMeter Kubernetes TeamCity New Relic Datadog Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In today's episode, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with Simon Brown! Simon is the author of Software Architecture for Developers; a developer-friendly guide to software architecture, technical leadership, and the balance with agility. Simon is also the creator of the C4 software architecture model and the founder of Structurizr; a collection of tools to help software teams visualize, document, and explore their software architecture. In their discussion today, they will take a look at architecture for developers. The topic of architecture is something that all developers need to know about, and there is no better guest than Simon Brown to discuss all things architecture! He shares his experience with practical architecture for developers, his advice on how developers that are new to the industry should begin thinking about architecture, how a development team should go about designating someone for the architect role, and shares some additional resources to explore on the topic of architecture! Simon also gives a rundown of C4, his software architecture model, and Structurizr, his collection of lightweight developer tools. Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [1:22] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:44] About today's episode with Simon Brown! [2:14] Jeffrey welcomes Simon to the show! [2:35] Simon speaks about his background and what led to what he's currently doing. [3:38] How would Simon encourage developers that are relatively new to the industry to think about architecture? [6:05] Regardless of what the architect role is called, there should always be someone on the team with a wider perspective on the project or goals. [6:38] As someone who has coached a lot of people through this, what would Simon say is the right approach to getting started with architecture? [7:41] How does diagramming fit into architecture? [9:24] Simon shares why he created C4 (a software architecture model) and why developers should be using it! [11:48] Contrasting Simon's C4, Jeffrey and Simon discuss the 4+1 architectural view model. [14:10] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [14:37] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [16:26] Simon discourages developers from installing Viseo, and offers an alternative. [19:03] If general-purpose diagramming tools are not good for software architecture, what does Simon recommend? [20:32] Simon speaks about the essence of his Structurizr tooling: lightweight developer tools that are developer-friendly. [21:47] The stored format of the different views/diagrams is text and therefore would naturally go into the source control repository. So, what does Simon see when he looks in the source control? [22:58] Simon gives a rundown of what context diagrams, containers, components, and classes are, and when developers should be doing those things. [29:16] Simon answers the question, "Should we treat our assemblies as containers?" [29:41] Simon mentioned that, at the class diagram level, you should not do it by hand. Was he alluding to the fact that there are some generators that he likes to use to generate it? When's the last time he actually did that level? [31:09] For developer teams that are struggling with how to organize themselves, what does Simon recommend regarding how to designate the architect role? How does Simon coach his clients on this? [34:54] For those who want to learn more, which resources does Simon recommend listeners to check out after listening to this podcast? [37:02] Jeffrey thanks Simon for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow SimonBrown.je Software Architecture for Developers: Technical Leadership and the Balance with Agility, by Simon Brown Structurizr.com Simon's Twitter: @SimonBrown The Agile Manifesto C4Model.com Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining the podcast today is Chris Patterson! Chris is the Staff Product Manager for GitHub Actions at GitHub. He has been in the software industry for more than 20 years. In that time, he has worked on a variety of projects at companies ranging from startups to telecom. Prior to coming to GitHub, he spent 14 years as a Principal Program Manager on Azure DevOps at Microsoft. In this episode, Jeffrey and Chris take a deep dive into GitHub Actions. Chris gives an update on everything new going on with GitHub and GitHub Actions both from a personal perspective and from the recent announcements that were made at the Microsoft Build and GitHub Satellite conferences. Chris also shares some information regarding GitHub Enterprise Server and what the future roadmap is looking like for GitHub Actions! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:55] About today's episode with Chris Patterson! [2:23] Jeffrey welcomes Chris to the show! [2:42] Chris speaks about his current role at GitHub. [4:00] How separate is GitHub from Microsoft? Or would Chris consider them more integrated? [5:50] Chris compares the model to that of Microsoft's acquisition of LinkedIn. [7:08] What Chris loves the most about working for GitHub. [7:46] How many time zones does Chris work across? [8:16] Is most of their team still in the pacific time zone or is it pretty evenly distributed? [9:44] Chris catches listeners up on the recent important announcements from Microsoft Build and GitHub Satellite — especially in regards to GitHub Actions and GitHub Enterprise Server. [17:27] Chris elaborates on the strategy regarding integration, credentials, and connections to other services. [18:21] Chris speaks about the changelog on the GitHub blog and why they've decided to take a pause with it. [19:10] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:35] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [21:26] Where is GitHub Actions headed? What's not there now but is on the roadmap for the future? [24:49] Chris speaks more about the core capabilities they're working towards with GitHub Actions. [28:16] Is it called "hosted build agents" in GitHub? [28:48] If the GitHub hosted runners don't have a dependency that's needed for the build process, you could fall back into a self-hosted. But for some of the really small dependencies, what does Chris recommend? Is this something that's being worked on to try and make it easier to not fall back to a self-hosted? Or is it not part of the purview of the team? [31:30] Is being able to save a new container image in a container registry far in the future or available today in GitHub Actions? [33:34] Is Chris' current focus entirely on the new features of GitHub Actions? What else is he up to? [35:00] Chris highlights some of the language and platforms he has learned about recently that he has found particularly interesting and unique. [39:20] Is the correct terminology "action pipelines" or "series of actions" in reference to GitHub Actions? [40:11] For a business application, would there typically be one workflow or a series of workflows? [40:35] Jeffrey thanks Chris for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Chris Patterson's LinkedIn Chris Patterson's Twitter The Azure DevOps Podcast: "Chris Patterson on the Future of Azure Pipelines - Episode 015" Azure Pipelines GitHub Actions GitHub Satellite GitHub Enterprise Microsoft Flow Zapier Changelog on the GitHub Blog The Azure DevOps Podcast: "Elton Stoneman on the State of Containers — Episode 94" Rust (Programming Language) IBM Power Systems COBOL Micro Focus - Visual COBOL Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey once again is return guest, Elton Stoneman! Elton has spent most of his career as a consultant, designing and building large enterprise applications. When he discovered the container revolution he joined Docker and worked with the team for three fast and furious years! Now, he helps people break up old enterprise apps and build new cloud-native apps — running them all in Docker and Kubernetes. He also speaks and runs workshops at conferences around the world, writes books and video courses, and helps organizations at every stage in their container journey. On top of that, Elton is a 10-time Microsoft MVP and has also been recognized as a Docker Captain! In this episode, Jeffrey and Elton are discussing Docker, Kubernetes, the state and future of containers, his new books on Docker and Kubernetes, and everything he thinks developers should know going forward on the topic of Kubernetes, Docker, and containers! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:44] About today's episode with Elton Stoneman! [2:28] Jeffrey welcomes Elton back to the show! [2:45] Elton gives an update on his career and his transition from Docker to going independent. [4:08] About Elton's latest book, Learn Kubernetes in a Month of Lunches. [4:56] Elton speaks about the state of Windows Containers and the new workloads and scenarios that are really easy now as compared to the past. [7:57] Elton explains what containers are, the difference between various concepts, and demystifies some of the common misconceptions around containers in the Windows ecosystem. [13:44] Many people are used to deploying their web application to an iss-vm or Azure App Service. Does Elton deploy his application to a Docker container or does he create a new image that has the files of his application in it? [14:52] Elton highlights some of the recent, important DockerCon and Azure announcements. [18:11] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:35] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [20:27] Jeffrey and Elton dive back into their conversation! [22:56] Elton gives his predictions on how many developers he thinks, down the road, are going to need to know Kubernetes. [29:14] Kubernetes vs. Azure Container Instances. [32:20] Is there a quickstart for Docker in Azure? [37:00] Where to get a hold of Elton's two books! [37:42] Jeffrey thanks Elton for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Elton Stoneman's Blog Elton Stoneman's Pluralsight Courses Elton Stoneman's LinkedIn Elton Stoneman's Twitter: @EltonStoneman The Azure DevOps Podcast: "Elton Stoneman on Docker in a DevOps World — Episode 67" Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, by Elton Stoneman Learn Kubernetes in a Month of Lunches, by Elton Stoneman Windows Containers Kubernetes Docker DockerCon 2020 Azure Container Instances Dak4.net GitHub.com/Sixeyed/Dak4.net Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In today's episode, Steve Hickman is joining the podcast! Steve is a 25-year veteran of the software industry who has built many software systems in a variety of environments. He first started out as an individual programmer, became a Director of Development, and is now in an executive role overseeing many developers. Previously in his career, he was also the Director of Technology for a major school district in TX and oversaw technology for the private industry. In their discussion today, Steve and Jeffrey are taking a look at what the software world looks like in the context of school districts K-12. Steve shares his experiences and thoughts on what testing and deployment look like from a school district's perspective, the unique struggles school districts face in the software world, whether or not K-12 has gone through Cloud adoption, challenges when it comes to security practices that are essential in a DevOps environment in K-12, and more. Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:36] About today's episode with Steve Hickman! [2:10] Jeffrey welcomes Steve to the show! [2:16] Steve speaks about the unique struggles school districts face in the software world. [3:17] Jeffrey and Steve speak about their history together. [4:25] Steve speaks about what has changed over the last 2 ½ decades in school districts regarding software. [8:46] What do software groups normally look like in K-12? [10:56] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [11:23] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [13:12] On the topic of testing and deployment, Steve speaks about some of the common similarities that are common between school districts and small businesses. [16:24] Steve speaks about the differences between HIPAA and FERPA from a development perspective. [18:24] Steve speaks about some of the challenges when it comes to security practices that are essential in a DevOps environment in K-12. [20:10] Has K-12 gone through Cloud adoption? Are they fully on the other side of that curve? [27:18] Steve gives his advice for those working in a school district on how they can apply some of the key advice from today's conversation! [28:38] Jeffrey thanks Steve for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Steve Hickman's Twitter: @TXHickman What is FERPA? Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today on the show, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by a long-time colleague of his, Frans Bouma! Frans is the Lead Developer of LLBLGen Pro, a market-leading entity modeling/object-relational mapper for .NET. His specialties are C#, .NET, software engineering and architecture, databases, and data access technologies. He has been writing software professionally since 1994 and is a well-known expert in object-relational mapping, data access technologies, and entity modeling. In this episode, Frans gives his perspective of 20+ years of experience talking to the database, speaks about the scene of data access in .NET, shares his perspective on life beyond Entity Framework, shares some info regarding his product, LLBLGen Pro, and more. Frans provides some seriously great information that every developer needs to hear so be sure to tune in! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:50] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference and The Azure DevOps Podcast. [1:41] About today's episode with Frans Bouma! [2:18] Jeffrey welcomes Frans back to the show! [2:25] Frans speaks about his background and journey leading up to what he's doing right now. [10:00] Fast-forward to today, how would Frans describe the modern scene of data access and .NET? What would he say developers should be thinking about in regards to starting a new application? [13:16] With Frans' work around the LLBLGen Pro product today, what does he see as the biggest challenges that the industry is facing? [17:36] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:01] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [19:52] Frans gives his thoughts on the two different styles of object-relational mapping. [23:47] How the infrastructure of databases has changed over the last couple of decades. [26:23] Does Frans prefer identities or GUIDs? [29:06] Frans gives his take on 'lazy loading.' [31:20] Regarding stateful applications, what is Frans' preferred pattern for how long the ORM cash sticks around? How often does he try to recycle it? [33:33] Life beyond Entity Framework Core? Frans provides his advice on when people should be using Entity Framework vs. his product vs. other solutions. [38:10] Frans speaks about his product, LLBLGen Pro, and what type of developer would be interested in it! [41:13] Frans shares his method of choice for peeking at the actual queries that are being run against the database while running his application to make sure that it's doing what he expects it to do. [43:15] Jeffrey thanks Frans for joining the podcast. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Frans Bouma's LinkedInFrans Bouma's Twitter LLBLGen Pro Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, return guest Greg Leonardo joins the podcast! Greg is a Cloud Architect that assists organizations with cloud adoption and innovation. He has been working in the IT industry since his time in the military and is a developer, teacher, speaker, and early adopter. Greg has worked in many facets of IT throughout his career and is currently the president of TampaDev (a community meetup that runs #TampaCC, Azure User Group, Azure Medics, and various technology events throughout Tampa). In this episode, Jeffrey and Greg take a deep-dive into Azure. With not a lot that is automated yet, there are still many things that developers need to configure — which is what they take a look at today! Greg provides his key insights about Azure, answers Jeffrey's hard-hitting questions, and gives listeners a sense of what you can currently do with the set of services! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:50] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference. [1:33] About today's episode with Greg Leonardo! [2:08] Jeffrey welcomes Greg back to the show! [3:11] Greg speaks about his recently released Azure Strategy and Implementation Guide as well as his book, Hands-On Cloud Solutions with Azure: Architecting, Developing, and Deploying the Azure Way. [4:26] Greg briefly speaks about his experience on a Microsoft Ignite panel. [4:58] Greg speaks about some common misconceptions about Azure and shares why companies are adopting Azure. [7:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [8:07] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [9:59] If someone has an application with generally local users and don't cater to anyone outside of their country, should they be auto-blocking them? Is there a default configuration for only letting people in your country access your application? [12:40] What should people do to properly set up their configuration so that only people from their country can access it and ensure that no one from overseas hacks into it? [16:02] What do .NET developers have to do to let Azure know that their application isn't healthy and that it may have to take a certain instance offline and replace it? [19:59] Greg provides insight into autoscaling with Azure. [22:23] Greg gives some advice around SQL database backups. [27:07] If your database goes down, is there a configuration to auto switch over to something else? Or do you have to reset a configuration file in the application? [29:28] Greg speaks about setting a budget for your Azure subscriptions and preventing overspending. [33:23] Greg speaks about what is currently feasible with the free tier that's available right now. [34:41] Jeffrey thanks Greg for joining the podcast once again! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Microsoft Azure The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 27: "Greg Leonardo on Deploying the Azure Way" The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 19: "Greg Leonardo on Architecting, Developing, and Deploying the Azure Way" Channel 9 - Microsoft Build Conference Channel 9 - Microsoft Ignite Azure Strategy and Implementation Guide, Third Edition Hands-On Cloud Solutions with Azure: Architecting, Developing, and Deploying the Azure Way, by Greg Leonardo Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey Palermo this week is the curious through-and-through international speaker and software engineer, Heather Downing! Heather is a passionate coder and entrepreneur. She has experience working with Fortune 500 companies building enterprise-level voice, mobile, and C#/.Net applications. She focuses on external thought leadership, encouraging fellow programmers to present on topics outside of the office and in the community. She is also an international technical speaker and co-host of the YouTube channel "The Hello World Show" — a weekly video series that interviews software masters and teaches the audience something valuable in less than 10 minutes. Heather has built a reputation as an early adapter of new tech and is incredibly passionate about .NET 5 — which is the topic of today's show! In this episode, Heather shares what she loves about .NET 5, the current project she's working on in .NET 5, solution building, Blazor, VR, game development, and what the future may look like for developers in the field. Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:50] About the recent Microsoft Build Conference. [1:08] About today's episode with Heather Downing! [2:13] Jeffrey welcomes Heather to the show. [2:26] Heather shares her backstory and how she first got into the field. [4:41] Heather speaks about her passion outside of tech: competing as an equestrian. [6:08] What Heather has learned in bringing her two passions, horses and tech, together. [10:55] Heather speaks about one of her .NET 5 projects and the problems that it solves. [16:10] Heather explains why she is using .NET 5. [17:20] Jeffrey and Heather talk about developers' minds and building solutions. [19:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [20:05] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [21:54] Is Heather working on this .NET 5 project from a product perspective or will it be opensource? [24:14] Heather speaks about retooling, VR, game development. [29:50] Heather gives her thoughts on the future of the web and Blazor. [32:45] Heather shares how she thinks VR may change the future of video conferencing and connecting with others online. [37:07] Heather gives her recommendations for getting started in the VR world. [39:16] How to find Heather's content online! [40:28] Jeffrey thanks Heather for joining him in today's episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Microsoft Build Conference 2020 .NET 5 Heather Downing's Website Heather Downing's LinkedIn Heather Downing's GitHub Profile Heather Downing's Youtube Channel (The Hello World Show) Heather Downing's Twitter Arduino Oculus Oculus Quest SteamVRRec Room Unity Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Join Jeffrey Palermo this week for a quick solo episode about the virtual Microsoft Build Conference! The conference is happening over May 19th-20th and is entirely free this year — so be sure to register and don't pass it up! In this episode, Jeffrey highlights the interesting things that are happening at the conference that you won't want to miss, upcoming exciting announcements to look forward to, and what you should be paying attention to when you tune in May 19th-20th! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:59] About today's solo episode. [1:30] Jeffrey explains the Microsoft Build agenda. [2:30] Upcoming announcements to look forward to during Microsoft Build week. [3:06] How Blazor is going to change the game and why you need to be paying attention to it. [5:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [5:45] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [7:34] What's out there now with Blazor and what developers hope is coming soon. [13:34] Jeffrey wraps up this week's podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited!Previous Azure DevOps Podcast: "Michael Washington on the State of Blazor" Microsoft Build Conference Blazor Radzen Bootstrap Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In this episode, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with Michael Washington, an ASP.NET and C# programmer! Michael has extensive knowledge in process improvement, billing systems, and student information systems. He also is the founder of two websites, AiHelpWebsite.com and BlazorHelpWebsite.com — both fantastic resources that help empower developers. Michael resides in Los Angeles, California, with his son Zachary and wife, Valerie. Together, Jeffrey and Michael speak about Blazor in-depth. They discuss the current state of Blazor; Oqtane, a modular application framework for Blazor; server-side Blazor apps; Radzen, a low-code, RAD solution; his books on the topic of Blazor; and his advice, tips, recommendations, and resources for Blazor as well. Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:46] About Jeffrey's current promotions and offers. [1:26] About today's episode with Michael Washington! [1:52] Jeffrey welcomes Michael to the show. [2:00] Michael introduces himself and speaks about his websites. [2:51] With so many technologies coming out, what is it about Blazor that attracted Michael? [4:30] Does Michael see a thread that connects the Blazor community with certain other technologies? [8:15] Michael explains what Oqtane is. [10:25] Michael shares his thoughts on why Blazor caught the attention of the community whereas something like ASP.NET MVC did not. [14:31] Is Oqtane in production? And will Oqtane work with the release Blazor? [16:36] Are there currently any server-side Oqtane apps in production? [18:30] Michael shares how easy it is to update Oqtane. [21:15] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:40] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [23:30] Michael talks about the DevOps Pipeline experience and gives his thoughts on how someone who doesn't want to use the in-app installer experience on production (but they have a test automation environment and a UAT manual test environment before they get to production), gets the installer experience to work when they're promoting it using Azure Pipelines? [26:00] Michael speaks about what Oqtane is constantly evolving to address. [27:47] Beyond the quickstarts in Blazor, what has Michael had to think specifically about? Are there any "gotchas?" And what are some of the challenges as someone who has put multiple Blazor apps in production? [30:30] Michael speaks about his books on the topic of Blazor. [32:47] Michael shares some information about Lightswitch and the difference between it and Blazor. [33:38] Michael gives his opinion on how Lightswitch was positioned and why it ultimately didn't work out. [35:46] Radzen: a Lightswitch-like alternative for Blazor. [38:10] Michael highlights the importance of productivity. [42:15] Why Michael focuses so much on Oqtane. [44:32] Michael speaks about the scalability and performance of Blazor server-side apps. [48:40] Are there any UI controls that Michael has found for Blazor that are really awesome and complete at this stage? [50:50] Michael recommends some go-to resources for those who want to get started with Blazor. [51:57] Jeffrey thanks Michael for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! AiHelpWebsite.com BlazorHelpWebsite.com Blazor.net github.com/Oqtane An Introduction to Building Applications with Blazor: How to get started creating applications using this existing easy to use Microsoft C# framework, by Michael Washington Blazor Succinctly, by Michael Washington Radzen Telerik Syncfusion WebView for .NET 5 Microsoft Silverlight Oqtane .NET Nuke ASP.NET MVC Angular Vue React "Advanced Blazor Templating," by Michael Washington NuGet ADelfHelpDesk.com Visual Studio Lightswitch EF Core Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffery Palermo today is Maria Naggaga! Maria is a Senior Program Manager on the .NET team at Microsoft building .NET Interactive, which delivers interactive experiences both online and offline. It provides data scientists and developers with a way to explore data, experiment with code, and try new ideas effortlessly. Maria has been with the Microsoft team for almost eight years now having joined in 2012 right out of college after finishing her computer science degree. She initially joined Microsoft as a developer evangelist and held that position for nearly 4 years. In 2016, a year after she bumped into the .NET team at a conference, she joined the .NET Interactive team. In this episode, Jeffrey and Maria are of course discussing .NET Interactive! Maria outlines the group of CLI tools and APIs that enable users to create interactive experiences: trydotnet.js, dotnet interactive global tool, and the dotnet try global tool; what's on the roadmap for future development; important aspects to take note of; and how to get started with it following the show! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:46] About Jeffrey's current promotions and offers. [1:50] About today's episode with Maria Naggaga! [2:07] Jeffrey welcomes Maria to the show. [2:14] Maria speaks about her background in the industry. [4:25] Maria explains what Try .NET is. [5:55] Maria explains what .NET Interactive includes and what it depends on. [6:55] Maria takes a deep-dive into their internal tool, trydotnet.js. [9:29] Maria provides some background on why they took a dependency on Blazor. [11:00] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [11:27] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [13:16] Maria speaks about the next tool included in .NET Interactive: dotnet try global tool. [16:20] What they want to add to dotnet try global tool in the future. [16:47] Maria speaks about the newest 'child' to the .NET Interactive tool: the dotnet interactive global tool. She also gives a quick overview of Azure Synapse. [19:19] Could this tool impact knowledge base articles? Can this transform any type of documentation or is it suited just for certain types? [19:52] Is this tool also geared toward actually incorporating a portion of UI? [22:12] Maria shares some information about the .NET interactive kernel that has been a gamechanger for them. [24:02] Is Visual Basic also included in their list of languages that they support? [24:57] Is there a future 'baby' in the plans for .NET Interactive? [26:08] Maria speaks about some more of the ongoing conversations that they're having with the team regarding snippets vs. full programs. [27:41] Maria guides listeners to what they can check out now for those who want to get started using the technology. [30:06] Jeffrey thanks Maria for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Maria Naggaga's LinkedIn Try .NET .NET Interactive ".NET Interactive is here! | .NET Notebooks Preview 2," by Maria Naggaga on DevBlogs.Microsoft (Thoroughly breaks down .NET Interactive) Blazor WebAssembly Docs.Microsoft.com Microsoft Build 2020 Azure Container Instances dotnet try global tool ASP.NET Jupyter Notebook Azure Synapse Analytics Microsoft Azure Notebooks dotnet/interactive on GitHub Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey Palermo today is Cloud Solution Architect at Microsoft, Shawn Weisfeld! Shawn works on the One Commercial Partner team helping Microsoft Partners architect solutions that run on Azure. He is also a Microsoft Certified Trainer, who, in addition, runs the Azure Meetup in Austin TX and two community websites. These two fantastic websites are SouthCentralCommunity.com, where he lists all the groups and events that he knows about in the region, and UserGroup.tv, where he posts recordings of technical user groups and conferences for folks to watch for free. In this episode, Jeffrey and Shawn are diving into the topic of Azure certifications! Shawn works with partners every day helping them get Azure certified and in today's conversation, he is sharing his experiences, some of the ins and outs he learned throughout his career, invaluable tips and tricks, and his go-to resources! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:50] About Jeffrey's current promotions and offers. [1:30] About today's episode with Shawn. [2:22] Jeffrey welcomes Shawn to the show! [2:27] Shawn speaks about his career background and shares how he ended up in his current role! [4:10] Shawn speaks about his community speaking outside of his main role and answers the question of whether or not he would be willing to speak at a virtual user group [4:52] What is the landscape for certifications, in general, these days? [5:52] What percentage of the developer population are getting certified? And how has that changed over the last 10 years or so? [7:22] Why certifications are important to obtain even if you're a senior developer. [11:31] How many people are getting certified in the industry? And what does it do for them? [12:29] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:53] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [14:43] Shawn gives a rundown of the relevant certifications in the DevOps space from a Microsoft perspective. [19:57] Shawn explains how you can take a test for a certification at home. [21:38] Are there currently any discounts on Microsoft certification tests? [22:40] Shawn provides his top tips and advice for those looking to currently take a certification test at home! [28:07] Is there anything in the works for certifications regarding DevOps capabilities integrating GitHub? [30:11] Shawn shares what's new and upcoming with him! [31:13] When can people register for future conferences such as Microsoft Build? [35:19] Jeffrey thanks Shawn for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! SouthCentralCommunity.com UserGroup.tv Azure DevOps Podcast Shawn Weisfeld's Resources How to Use Microsoft Teams to Host a Virtual Lab or Virtual Hackathon Event Microsoft Certifications Microsoft Training and Certifications DevOps Learning Plan Exam AZ-400 Pluralsight AZ-400 MeasureUp Microsoft Exam Policies Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Gael Fraiteur is the founder & CEO of PostSharp. At PostSharp, Gael and his teams help make C# better so you can get back to the bright side of coding. Their mission is to help software developers stop writing boring repetitive code, freeing up their time to use their skills more efficiently to produce clean, reliable software that is easy to maintain. Gael Fraiteur has been passionately programming since childhood, building his first commercial application at age 13. His vision to build an aspect-oriented software that would offer .NET developers the same productivity benefits as those enjoyed by the Java community became a reality when, in 2004, he built and released PostSharp to the wild. Since then, PostSharp has steadily grown to become the most comprehensive aspect-oriented software for .NET available today. In this episode, Gael speaks about his journey since 2004 with PostSharp, many of the ins and outs, and a product rundown of all of their different offerings! Topics of Discussion: [:41] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About Jeffrey's current promotions and offers. [1:30] About today's episode with Gail Fraiteur. [2:11] Jeffrey welcomes Gael Fraiteur to the show! [2:24] Gael shares his journey since 2004 with creating PostSharp. [4:40] Gael explains what an aspect is and what the term aspect-oriented means. [9:29] Gael provides a rundown of the different products PostSharp offers and the timeline of when they started offering new products. [13:30] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [13:54] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements. [15:45] Gael and Jeffrey get back to their conversation about the various products PostSharp currently offers, starting with threading. [19:20] Gael gives a rundown of how he thinks about the DevOps environments for their products and what goes into them. [23:57] Gael explains what goes into their testing. [28:18] If someone is developing an application that uses PostSharp, what are some of the specifics they should be thinking about when they're authoring tests for their code? [30:11] Gael gives some recommendations for listeners who want to learn more. [31:02] Jeffrey thanks Gael for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! https://www.postsharp.net/ https://www.postsharp.net/company https://www.linkedin.com/in/gfraiteur/ https://twitter.com/gfraiteur https://twitter.com/postsharp Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, Jay Harris is joining the podcast! Jay is an entrepreneur, speaker, software consultant, and President of Arana Software. He has been developing on the web since 1995. He has been awarded as both a Microsoft Regional Director and a Microsoft MVP. He recognizes that the greatest application performance bottleneck is a developer's time and is on a continuing quest for frameworks, modules, tools, and practices that make developers stronger, fitter, happier, and more productive! In light of the current, ongoing pandemic, Jeffrey and Jay will be discussing distributed DevOps. Many teams and developers are experiencing working distributed for the first time in their career — so, in this episode, they will be providing tips and advice around remote working and some solutions to common problems many developers run into. Topics of Discussion: [:41] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About Jeffrey's current promotions and offers. [1:32] About today's episode and featured guest, Jay Harris. [2:06] Jeffrey welcomes Jay to the show! [2:35] Jay shares some of the highlights of his career as well as the story of how he ended up running his own software consulting firm! [5:11] Would Jay agree that the rate of new applications is accelerating? [6:07] Jay shares his observations around what seems to be the easiest development practices to implement vs. the more difficult to implement, amongst the clients he works with. [7:35] Does Jay have a favorite tool stack at the moment for DevOps Pipeline? [9:00] Jay gives some advice for teams who, in light of the current pandemic, need to start working distributed. He also addresses some of the common problems with working from home on a system that isn't optimized to handle your work. [15:48] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:14] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [18:05] Jay and Jeffrey discuss possible solutions for working from home such as using a virtual machine. [19:10] Jay shares what DevOps processes and changes tend to work with his clients' teams. [22:55] How are they doing their standups now? What has changed, what are some of the challenges, and what works well? [26:46] Jeffrey and Jay discuss what it has been like to work from home with young kids. [30:54] Jay gives some final key points about distributed DevOps. [32:48] Jay shares what he has been looking forward to related to .NET and what he recommends others look into! [36:25] Jeffrey thanks Jeremy for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Jay Harris' Website Jay Harris' LinkedIn Arana Software Jay Harris' Email: [email protected] Jay Harris' Twitter: @JayHarris Azure DevOps Podcast: "Joseph Landes and Amol Dalvi on Windows Virtual Desktop - Episode 82" Azure Active Directory (Azure AD) Typing.com Microsoft Build 2020 Vox Conferences PHP Bedrock NuGet Package Restore Hibernate Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by Jeremy Holt, the Executive Vice President of Amberwood Trading. Amberwood Trading aims to build partnerships with the African cashew processing industry (including the factories, government, and banks) through funding, software services, and technical consultancy. Since 1990, Jeremy has run Amberwood Trading. For 30 years he served as the Managing Director and in the last 3 months he has taken up his new role as Executive Vice President. In this episode, Jeremy brings his unique perspective of being both the client and the developer of the software they use at Amberwood. He has developed several programs they use within their organization that assist in the production, processing, and financial side of their business. He shares all about the ins and outs of working with cashews; speaks about improving the traceability of the food supply chain through blockchain; touches on COVID-19 and what that means for food safety; and of course, he shares a ton about the fascinating technical aspects of his company! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About Jeffrey's free 30-point DevOps inspection as well as his newest offer. [1:48] About today's episode and featured guest, Jeremy Holt. [3:00] Jeffrey welcomes Jeremy Holt to the show! [3:08] Jeremy gives a background on himself and speaks about his company, Amberwood Trading. [6:53] Jeremy gives a rundown of the ins and outs of working with cashews and addresses some of the important aspects of food safety and cashew processing. [15:15] Jeremy shares how he used his coding abilities to create a program to demonstrate that this cashew project of his was viable in the eyes of banks. He also shares the other programs he has created that aid the day-to-day operations of his business. [20:00] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [20:27] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [22:17] Jeremy speaks about all of the different aspects that the software systems in the nut process touches. He also speaks about food safety and how he has been looking using blockchain for traceability and explains why that is so important. [27:44] Jeremy touches on COVID-19 and how it relates to the current COVID-19 pandemic and highlights the importance of traceability in the supply chain. [34:35] What Jeremy is trying to achieve through the programs he is creating for his business. [35:44] What is on Jeremy's roadmap? Are there any particular parts he's looking forward to technology-wise for his company? [37:32] Jeremy shares which programs in his business. [43:42] If someone were to pick up a jar of cashews, what should they be looking for to follow the traceability back to the source? [44:45] Jeremy gives some additional thoughts on the traceability of the food supply chain and food safety amid the coronavirus. [48:42] Jeffrey thanks Jeremy for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Amberwood Trading RavenDB Aurelia React Angular Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In today's episode, Jeffrey is speaking with two guests, Joseph Landes, the Chief Revenue Officer at Nerdio, and Amol Dalvi, the Vice President of Product Management Nerdio. They both do a lot with Azure and have implemented Windows Virtual Desktop into their work. Amol and Joseph have some interesting learnings around using Windows Virtual Desktop in Azure for standardized development desktops — which is what they'll be discussing today! Amol and Joseph share their insights on how they use Windows Virtual Desktop, give their advice regarding it, and share some of their personal experiences with it. You won't want to miss out if you've been interested in learning more about Windows Virtual Desktop and its capabilities! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:49] About Jeffrey's upcoming .NET DevOps Bootcamp in Austin, Texas on April 30th and his free 30-point DevOps inspection. [1:21] About today's episode and featured guests! [1:54] Jeffrey welcomes Joseph and Amol to the show! [2:01] Joseph shares what led up to him working in this field. [3:18] Amol shares his career background. [4:21] Amol speaks about the sizeable development team that he runs and where they're located around the world. [5:09] How Amol is making heavy use of Windows Virtual Desktop for everyone on his team. [6:11] What Windows Virtual Desktop in Azure is! [9:34] How is Windows Virtual Desktop from the old terminal sever in terms of allowing people to have a remote desktop session? [11:03] If a small development team with 4 developers wants to have their own Visual Studio image and all use the same thing, how would they get started? [12:34] With a small team (such as 2-4 developers) is it possible to use Windows Virtual Desktop without a third-party solution? [13:28] Does Microsoft only market Windows Virtual Desktop for teams of a certain size? Is it not worth using for smaller teams? Or does it have some uses for smaller teams? [15:05] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:31] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [17:22] Using Windows Virtual Desktop without a third-party solution: what does it look like to shut it down at night? [17:51] When configuring the image, what is the process to actually set up Windows the way it needs to be? [19:30] Would Amol agree with the sentiment that this solution is geared mainly towards really large groups? [20:37] How many VMs do developer share? What is the ratio that Amol has found that works best for him? [22:36] How much ram does Amol try to allocate? [23:45] At this point, is premium solid-state the commodity that's expected? [24:08] What's the experience like for a developer at their desk? What kind of computer would act as their terminal? [25:25] Is it literally the Windows Remote Desktop client that is being opened across all three of the monitors? [26:04] If you need to access your virtual workstation can you access it anywhere that supports RDS? [26:32] Amol highlights use cases beyond those for developers. [27:26] Are developers with expensive computers like MacBook Pros just used as terminals? Or is the development distributed between the Virtual Desktop and the actual host computer? [28:32] Are the computers that Amol's developers use are their own personal computers? [30:23] How much does Microsoft charge for Windows Virtual Desktop? [32:09] What VM code has Amol landed on for his developers? [34:04] Jeffrey thanks Joseph and Amol for joining the podcast! [34:15] Joseph gives his recommendations on what to check out if you want to learn more about Windows Virtual Desktop. [34:51] Amol recommends some of his go-to resources! [35:48] Jeffrey thanks Amol and Joseph once again for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Joseph Landes Nerdio Amol Dalvi Azure Calculator Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey Palermo today is the CTO of ROCeteer, Heather Wilde — who is also known as the "Unicorn Whisperer" due to her special focus on entrepreneurs. She is also a personal and professional Growth Expert, Executive Coach, Non-profit Director, author, and speaker. Heather has an impressive laundry list of qualifications and experience in various fields! She is affiliated with three entrepreneurial accelerators, has worked with governments on economic development projects for over 20 years, is a Howard R. Hughes College of Engineering Advisory Board Chair, and has worked with the U.S. Navy, NASA, and both state and local governments around the world. She was also an early employee of Spirit Airlines, a founding member of Evernote, and was one of the only women to have programmed, produced, and published a game at THQ. She has received many awards for serving as a mentor, coach, executive, entrepreneur, writer, business role model, and many, many more. In this episode, Jeffrey and Heather are diving into the topic of managing remote teams! Throughout her career, Heather has had a ton of experience managing remote teams. She shares her personal experiences, some of the ins and outs she learned along the way, tips and tricks, her go-to resources and tools for remote working, and shares some lessons and stories from her career! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:45] About Jeffrey's upcoming .NET DevOps Bootcamp in Austin, Texas on April 30th and his free 30-point DevOps inspection. [1:34] About today's episode and guest. [3:05] Jeffrey welcomes Heather to the show! [3:47] Heather speaks about her fascinating background and early career. [6:45] Heather shares some more of her background and career milestones that really shaped her into the person that she is today. [8:55] When did Heather shift from being a programmer and writing code all day to managing and leading other programmers and teams? [11:29] Heather tells the interesting story of how she came to be a founding member of Evernote! [15:53] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:20] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [18:10] When Heather first joined Evernote, how did she set up her workstation while living on a boat? [20:02] Did Heather have to build her team at Evernote or did she inherit a team? [21:11] Living in Mexico at the time, how was Heather hiring employees location-wise? And how was she getting them all set up? [22:46] Heather shares some of the tips and tricks she has learned about working remotely. [26:37] Did some of the remote employees require assistance when it came to setting up their at-home workstation? [27:52] Fast-forward to today's infrastructure and tools, what are Heather's go-to selections? [33:35] Heather recommends some resources to check out regarding remote working. [34:24] Jeffrey thanks Heather for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! ROCeteerEvernote THQ Zoom Slack Heather Wilde's Articles in Inc. Magazine Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

As listeners already know, The Azure DevOps Podcast is for developers shipping software with Microsoft technologies — and in today's episode, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by someone who makes said technology! Ryan Demopoulos is a Program Manager Lead working on the Windows developer platform, specifically on the GUI stack. If you use buttons and textboxes, Ryan helps make that happen. He's been at Microsoft for 13 years and has been in the UX space the whole time. In this episode, Jeffrey and Ryan discuss WinUI in-depth. Ryan explains what it is, the changes and developments he has seen (and been a part of) over the course of his career, where he sees it heading in 10 years time, details of the release roadmap, cross-platform development, what the team is currently working on — and a whole lot more! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:47] About Jeffrey's upcoming .NET DevOps Bootcamp in Austin, Texas on April 30th and his free 30-point DevOps inspection. [1:04] About today's episode and guest! [1:44] Jeffrey welcomes Ryan to the show. [4:52] Ryan speaks about some of the changes he's seen with WinUI over the course of his career as well as what he has personally worked on. [8:07] What is WinUI? [12:34] Which apps are you targetting with WinUI? And which ones are you not? [16:21] Ryan gives an update on the Windows development landscape and shares whether or not it's on a growth trend. [19:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:43] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [22:09] Where does Ryan see WinUI in 10 years? And what are some general predictions for the future of it, going forward? [25:33] Ryan shares some details of the release roadmap of WinUI. [29:05] Will WinUI be available for more than just the Windows platform in the future? [31:01] Jeffrey tosses a scenario Ryan's way and asks whether they will be testing such a scenario in the future development of WinUI. [32:32] If, in the future, WinUI is compatible with WebAssembly, could it be possible that a WPF application could be accessible via a URL? [35:22] The drawbacks of the web. [36:00] Jeffrey gives his feedback on Ryan's vision for the future of WinUI. [36:27] What the WinUI team is currently focused on. [37:42] Ryan recommends resources for listeners if they want to learn more. [39:35] Jeffrey thanks Ryan for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Ryan's Twitter: @RyanDemopoulos AKA.MS/WinUI Microsoft Silverlight XAML Islands Microsoft Build WebAssembly UWP Discord Server Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In this week's episode, Jeffrey Palermo is talking to Jonathan Mills — a Pluralsight Author, Technology Advisor, and Business Leader! As a member of the Multi-Cloud Team team at World Wide Technology, Jonathan is able to leverage his unique experiences and skills to drive Cloud migrations for his clients. He is also a dedicated developer community leader, serving on the Board of Directors for the Kansas City Developers Conference, regularly speaking and giving keynote presentations at conferences around the globe, and is a Microsoft MVP. Today, Jeffrey and Jonathan talk about the upcoming Kansas City Developers Conference held June 29th-July 1st in 2020, his fascinating day job as a Cloud Architect at World Wide Technology, and data architecture in Azure! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About Jeffrey's upcoming .NET DevOps Bootcamp in Austin, Texas on April 30th. [1:11] About today's episode and guest! [1:52] Jeffrey welcomes Jonathan to the show. [2:07] Jonathan shares the story of his career journey. [4:12] What is the Kansas City Developers Conference? [7:49] Are tickets still available for the conference? [8:27] When the conference is held and about the special extra day just for kids! [11:08] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [11:33] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [13:23] Jonathan explains his day job as a Cloud Architect at World Wide Technology. [16:36] Jonathan speaks about the common problems their clients face and what issues they solve for them. [20:20] Jonathan breaks down the categories of data stores and what he recommends to different clients. [23:43] How different is Azure Data Warehouse from the on-premise SQL Server Analysis Services? [24:40] Jonathan shares his philosophy on how and when to know what tooling to use. [26:03] Jonathan gives his experience with low-code and no-code solutions such as Power Apps and Flow. [29:45] If listeners want to learn more, what go-to resources does Jonathan recommend? [31:41] Jeffrey thanks Jonathan for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Jonathan Mill's LinkedIn Jonathan Mill on Pluralsight World Wide Technology Kansas City Developers Conference Kansas City Women in Technology Azure Cosmos DB Azure Data Lake Analytics Azure Synapse Analytics Microsoft Power Apps Microsoft Flow Docs.Microsoft.com Pluralsight A Cloud Guru Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Iain Foulds — a Senior Content Developer at Microsoft, focused on Azure technologies. He has spent more than a decade in the field as an engineer building and running virtualization environments, including Cloud solutions. Since 2014 at Microsoft, Iain has been supporting and enabling customers to successfully run workloads in Azure. He is also the author of the book, Learn Azure in a Month of Lunches, which gets readers up and running quickly by teaching them the most important tasks and concepts and tasks about Azure in 21 practical bite-sized lessons. In this episode, Iain takes listeners through the basics of learning Azure and some of the fantastic content in his book, Learn Azure in a Month of Lunches, which is now on its second edition. Iain highlights some of the key decision points, clears up common misunderstandings, gives actionable tips, and provides further recommendations on where to learn more. Tune in to get up to date on learning Azure! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:47] About today's guest, Iain Foulds. [1:29] Jeffrey welcomes Iain to the podcast! [1:39] Iain speaks about his career journey and how he has ended up in his current role at Microsoft. [3:23] Iain speaks about the genesis of his book, Learn Azure in a Month of Lunches, and gives an overview of what it covers. [5:14] Part 4 of Iain's book is titled "The Cool Stuff" — what is the cool stuff? [6:41] Under Part 4, one of the chapters is on Azure automation. What are the cliff notes? [8:35] Iain gives the taxonomy of the terms playbook and runbook, and explains how they relate to each other. [16:41] Iain speaks about the decision points on where to store a credential in relation to securing information with Azure Key Vault. [19:01] Iain gives his thought process on the team workflow of Azure Key Vault vs. things like LastPass. [20:32] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [20:58] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [22:47] Iain clears up some common misunderstandings and misconceptions about Azure networking basics. [25:46] How does Iain advise people on making decisions around resource governance? [28:44] Are there downsides to the side of the spectrum where you have a lot of subscriptions but only one or two resource groups per subscription? [30:25] Iain speaks about the changes that are coming to the second edition of his book, Learn Azure in a Month of Lunches! [31:49] Iain speaks about the content he develops at Microsoft. [33:05] Iain gives his recommendations on further learning about Azure. [34:36] About the early access program for his book on Manning Publications. [36:01] Does Iain have any go-to methods or recommendations for clearing out his subscriptions? [38:23] Jeffrey thanks Iain for joining this week's episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Iain Foulds' Twitter @Fouldsy Learn Azure in a Month of Lunches, by Iain Foulds Azure Key Vault LastPassDocs.Microsoft.com Microsoft Learn Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by an old friend of his, Paul Sheriff! Paul is a Business Technology Consultant and has over thirty years of experience architecting information systems. He is a top-notch instructor, a Pluralsight author with 20+ courses on topics ranging from Angular, MVC, WPF, XML, jQuery to Bootstrap; and is a speaker at many different conferences and user groups around the world. Paul has also published 300+ articles and has authored over 14 books on topics ranging from C#, SQL Server and many .NET technologies! With so many episodes of the Azure DevOps Podcast, there's yet to be an episode focused entirely on architecture! So for today's episode, Jeffrey is sitting down with Paul to discuss all things architecture. They discuss Paul's career, what it means to be an architect, his take on the different titles and levels an architect can hold in the software industry, his favorite architecture, key aspects of an architect, and some key insights for those looking to pursue the architect career track. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:42] About today's guest, Paul Sheriff. [1:40] Jeffrey welcomes Paul to the podcast. [2:40] Paul speaks about his career trajectory. [4:22] What does it mean to be an architect? And how is it different from programming? [7:06] Paul gives his take on the different titles and levels an architect can hold in the industry. [9:46] Paul shares some of the things he thinks about when deciding how big systems need to be put together and structured for desktop applications. [13:15] Where listeners can go to find Paul's favorite architecture. [14:19] Paul compares and contrasts the role of an architect and drafter in the building world to that in the software industry. He also explains how he thinks architects should be drafting their architecture. [16:00] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:25] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [18:13] Paul shares his favorite diagramming or visualization method for transmitting ideas before getting to the code level. [20:06] Does Paul think it's important for a team to have shared libraries and frameworks that they use from application to application? Or is it better to have the patterns and not bring the actual code from project to project? [24:35] What's the best way for an organization that has multiple small teams to actually set an architecture vision and then inspect? [27:34] Jeffrey and Paul highlight the key concepts that make up the architecture role. [29:13] Which architecture patterns does Paul think might shift over because of the programming model that Blazor brings in the browser? [34:26] Paul shares what he's currently up to. [35:45] Where to find Paul's courses online! [37:35] Jeffrey and Paul share their final words about pursuing the architect track. [38:37] Jeffrey thanks Paul for joining this week's episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Paul Sheriff's Website (PDSA.com) Paul Sheriff on GitHub Paul Sheriff on Pluralsight Paul Sheriff's Email: [email protected] Visual Studio Live! Conference (VSLive!) The Azure DevOps Podcast: Mark Dunn on Developer Retirement - Episode 75 Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Jeremy Likness — an internationally selling author, keynote speaker, and professional coder with a personal mission to empower developers to be their best! Jeremy has worked on commercial enterprise software for 25 years and specializes in web technology. Currently, he is also a Sr. Cloud Developer Advocate for Microsoft, but previously held roles at iVision, Wintellect, and AirWatch. In his free time however, he enjoys running, hiking, and shooting nine-ball and one-pocket. In today's episode, Jeffrey and Jeremy discuss DevOps Automation. Jeremy shares his philosophy on starting a new project, provides key insights about Azure DevOps Services, speaks about what is new with Azure DevOps in general, gives his thoughts on GitHub Actions, explains how he's utilizing Azure ARM templates, and shares some of his best practices and go-to resources. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [1:08] About today's guest, Jeremy Likness. [1:49] Jeffrey welcomes Jeremy to the podcast. [1:40] Jeremy describes two of his favorite hobbies: nine-ball and one-pocket. [3:15] Jeremy speaks about his career and how it has progressed over the years. [8:11] Jeremy speaks about his current role at Microsoft and what Cloud Advocate really means. [9:51] Jeremy shares his philosophy on starting a project. [13:58] Jeremy provides some key insights when bringing Azure DevOps Services into the mix. [15:41] What's new in Azure DevOps in general? [20:38] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:03] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [22:52] Jeremy gives his thoughts on GitHub Actions. [25:48] Jeremy speaks about what the experience is like with GitHub Actions when you have a release candidate that you're deploying to your environments (environment 1, environment 2, etc.), all the way up to production. He also provides some examples. [28:14] When deploying, is Jeremy still using Azure ARM templates? Or does he use a mix of things to provision his infrastructure? [34:55] Jeremy gives a quick piece of random nostalgia from his past. [35:47] Jeremy's go-to resources to learn more about the topics discussed on today's show. [37:45] Where to get in touch with Jeremy! [38:15] Jeffrey thanks Jeremy for joining him in this episode. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Jeremy Likness' Blog Jeremy Likness' Twitter Jeremy Likness' LinkedIn Jeremy Likness' GitHub Jeremy's Email: [email protected] Azure DevOps Services Abel Wang The Azure DevOps Podcast: "Abel Wang on DevOps Infrastructure - Episode 73" Hugo GitHub Actions Azure Resource Manager (ARM) Microsoft Ignite Blazor Docs.Microsoft.com/en-us/Learn Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo had the pleasure of visiting with Mark Dunn to record today's show! Mark is a long-time developer and software architect who was an original co-host on the .NET Rocks podcast that started back in 2002. Mark is a Microsoft Certified Trainer, Application Developer, Solution Developer for .NET, and Database Administrator; and has over 30 years of experience in the disciplines of Software Engineering, Database Administration, and Project Management. Since 2003, Mark has been awarded MVP (Microsoft Most Valuable Professional) status for his contributions to the Visual Studio and .NET Community. He has also traveled all over the world delivering training in the areas of .NET and Database Development, Project Management and Client-Side Development. Outside of the tech industry, Mark owns an Angus cattle farm in Alabama and is often found playing the drums! In Jeffrey's and Mark's conversation today they discuss what a developer's retirement looks like! Mark considers himself currently 'semi-retired' with the goal of fully retiring 3 years down the line. He provides training and mentoring through his company, Dunn Training, teaching courses on Azure, Modern Web Development, ASP .NET, .NET Programming, Databases, Java, and more. Mark also takes listeners down memory lane, reminiscing about the progress in the industry, his career as a programmer, and the changes he's seen in DevOps. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About today's guest, Mark Dunn! [2:20] Jeffrey welcomes Mark to the podcast. [3:09] Mark provides some background on his career and shares some highlights! [4:50] What the industry was like when Mark was just starting out as a programmer. [11:36] Mark speaks about what a longtime programmer's retirement looks like (as someone who is currently 'semi-retired'!) He also shares what his goals are for the future and what he's currently up to. [16:07] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:34] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [18:22] With the perspective of having seen so many paradigms of software, how has that colored Mark's view of the modern DevOps movement? [22:30] Mark reads a lot of books as a trainer… but has he authored any books? [23:54] Mark speaks about some of the aspects of training and teaching his courses. [25:20] Mark speaks about recording .NET Rocks Podcast and the joys of interviewing people in the industry. [26:22] Mark gives his predictions on what he thinks is most likely to happen in the industry of custom software and what will become more and more important for current programmers to know/learn. [29:09] Does Mark find that the technology landscape is starting to contract after exploding? [31:11] Mark shares his plan for the next few years and what his transition into retirement will look like. [33:16] How long will Mark be keeping up his mentoring service? [34:40] What Mark hopes to do in retirement. [35:31] Mark gives some parting advice to new programmers to have a successful career. [38:01] Jeffrey thanks Mark for joining him in this episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Dunn Training (Mark's Company) .NET Rocks Podcast Dan Appleman's Books Selenium The Art of Unit Testing: with examples in C#, by Roy Osherove Pluralsight Udemy Scott Guthrie Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Jeffrey Opdam, an ALM Ranger, which is a recognized group related to the Azure DevOps Product Team at Microsoft. Jeffrey loves doing crazy continuous delivery stuff with TFS, VSTS, Azure DevOps — including coaching. He also loves DDD and CQRS and does Software Architect integrated with DevOps. But, most importantly, he's a proud dad! In this episode, Jeffrey is speaking on the topic of Azure DevOps with AWS. He shares his career journey and many of the experiences he has gained as the owner of Lean Phoenix, a company that is dedicated to helping its customers build high-quality software and services. Jeffrey has a wealth of experience in software architect and has done some pretty interesting projects in his career. Be sure to listen in to hear Jeffrey's key insights on integrating Azure DevOps with AWS! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:48] About today's guest, Jeffrey Opdam! [1:35] Jeffrey welcomes Jeffrey Opdam to the podcast. [1:52] Jeffrey speaks about his career journey and some of the important moments that have really shaped it. [3:27] Jeffrey speaks about how in his current projects he's doing a lot with making Cloud resources, having AWS do his bidding, and actually governing the DevOps environment with the Azure DevOps product but with the software environments in AWS. [4:24] Is Jeffrey using Azure DevOps Services or Server? [4:31] Are all the agents VMs inside AWS? [4:47] What type of system is Jeffrey's team working on at Lean Phoenix? [5:43] Jeffrey speaks about how it is not just one application, but actually a DevOps environment that they have designed and implemented for an entire ecosystem of applications for multiple teams. [6:50] Roughly, how many software applications and how many builds per day does their system run? [7:22] Jeffrey speaks about how they're integrating Azure DevOps with AWS so that it's done in a trusted manner. [8:28] How does Jeffrey manage spinning up all the images and maintaining them? [9:29] For Windows to spin up a new agent does it lie in AWS rather than Azure DevOps? [10:16] Before Jeffrey designed and implemented this system, what was it like for the teams? [12:11] Does Jeffrey agree with the sentiment that "builds are really just a big test"? [13:11] Are all of Jeffrey's pre-production and production environments for all of the software systems all in AWS? [13:39] Jeffrey shares what he has learned through automatically deploying a variety of applications with varying architectures. [15:14] If Jeffrey were to help a team get the next new application up and running, what would be his advice for the most flexible and drama-free environment shape to choose in AWS? [16:55] In the same scenario, what would he recommend for web applications and SQL server databases? [17:40] Jeffrey sheds some light on the differences between Docker and Kubernetes in AWS. [19:22] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:50] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [21:39] With so many applications at Jeffrey's firm, how long should someone expect it to take for a developer to develop the first feature when it comes to starting a new application? [23:04] What were the points of standardization at Jeffrey's firm? [23:43] In Azure DevOps, is Jeffrey using the new YAML format or is he using the step-based pipeline format? [25:00] Jeffrey gives his take on the kinds of people that say they're just going to log in to AWS and create the environments using their browser. [26:26] Does Jeffrey advocate provisioning environments from the get-go from script rather than designing the environments and then planning to script it out sometime later? [27:05] Jeffrey speaks about his favorite provisioning tool at the moment. [28:55] Once you provision an environment, what mechanism do you use to migrate it or change something about the environment? [31:50] Do they deploy firewall rules automatically? [32:54] Jeffrey shares another effort that they did at Lean Phoenix. [34:30] Where to learn more about integrating Azure DevOps with AWS! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Amazon Web Services (AWS) Jeffrey Opdam's LinkedIn Jeffrey Opdam's Twitter: @LeanPhoenix Lean Phoenix Test-Driven Development: By Example, by Kent Beck Kubernetes Docs.AWS.Amazon.com/cdk/latest/guide/home.html Pulumi Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.S

In this week's podcast, Jeffrey Palermo welcomes Abel Wang on to the show! Abel Wang is a Principal Cloud Advocate specializing in DevOps and Azure with a background in application development at Microsoft. He's also currently a part of Donovan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.' Before joining Microsoft, Abel spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master helping customers globally develop solutions using agile practices and Team Foundation Server. When he's not working, Abel is either writing code (yes, that's what he does for fun), playing one of his many guitars, or training for The Great Wall Marathon now that he is cancer-free! Today, Jeffrey and Abel are discussing DevOps infrastructure. Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to as well as some of the things that they should absolutely be doing right now, speaks about being a part of Donavan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates,' shares his passion for all things DevOps, and much more! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:47] About today's fantastic guest, Abel Wang! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Abel on to the podcast. [1:51] What is The Great Wall Marathon? [3:10] Jeffrey congratulates Abel on being cancer-free and Abel reflects a bit on his past year and overcoming cancer. [3:33] Abel speaks about his background in writing code and how he's gotten to where he is today in his career. [9:17] The importance of understanding the why behind scrum and agile. [12:44] Fastforwarding into Abel's career, he speaks about his experience at Microsoft and being a part of Donavan Brown's 'League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.' [14:40] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:07] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [15:45] @TheLoECDA's response time on Twitter. [17:07] Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to and/or absolutely be doing right now. He also defines what 'infrastructure as code' is. [26:27] Is there going to be integration between GitHub and AzureDevOps or are they going to be kept separate? Abel also gives his reasoning behind why Azure DevOps Services is not going anywhere! [29:14] Abel speaks about the future of being able to have the entire chain all the way through Azure through a press of a button. [31:55] Abel points listeners to his blog for listeners who want to learn more! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Abel Wang's Website Abel Wang on Twitter The Great Wall Marathon AgileManifesto.org Ken Schwaber Donovan Brown The League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates Twitter @TheLoECDA Octopus DeployRedgate SQL Change Automation Continuous Integration: Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk, by Paul M. Duvall, Steve Matyas, and Andrew Glover Terraform AI and ML GitHub Actions Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Emily Freeman who leads the modern operations team in cloud advocacy at Microsoft. She's also the author of the recently released book, DevOps for Dummies, which guides readers through the ins and outs of DevOps. On top of this, Emily is a very talented speaker and speaks all over at many conferences and advises many cutting-edge startups and some of the largest companies in the world on DevOps, engineering leadership, and developer engagement. She is known for her creative approach to identifying and solving the human challenges of software engineering In this episode, Emily and Jeffrey are talking about modern DevOps. Emily discusses her new book, DevOps for Dummies; the differences and similarities between the cloud advocacy area in Microsoft vs. other tech sectors when thinking about putting together a DevOps environment; where DevOps is now; changes in the industry; what makes 'operations' modern; and her concerns and hopes for the future of the industry. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:56] About today's guest, Emily Freeman! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Emily on to the podcast. [1:48] Emily talks about her new book, DevOps for Dummies, and what people can expect from it when they pick it up! [2:27] Emily shares her journey into tech and how she ended up at Microsoft. [4:24] Emily speaks about her strategy when writing DevOps for Dummies to target the newcomer to DevOps. [7:42] Why the second version/rewrite of a system always fails and why you don't usually need to start completely from scratch. [9:25] Emily talks about her new book and the possibility of writing new books in the future. [10:27] Emily speaks about the differences and similarities between the cloud advocacy area in Microsoft vs. other tech sectors when thinking about putting together a DevOps environment. [12:06] In one of Emily's talks, she speaks about firefighting, AKA putting out code fires. What does this mean? And how can we use this 'firefighter' approach to our benefit? [16:26] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:52] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [17:30] Jeffrey and Emily continue the firefighter discussion! [19:04] Where is DevOps now? Can it be defined by one definition? [23:44] Over the last 6 or 7 years there are twice as many programmers in the industry — so what does this mean for the current industry? [27:53] What other practices beyond continuous integration do people just tend to automatically reach for when they say they're doing DevOps? [32:50] Emily shares her concerns and hopes for the industry. [36:00] Emily explains what makes 'operations' modern. [38:00] Emily recommends some resources to dig into more on the topics discussed today. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! EmilyFreeman.io Emily's Twitter: @EditingEmily DevOps for Dummies, by Emily Freeman John Allspaw Fred Brooks The Agile Manifesto Octopus Deploy Redgate SQL Change Automation The Phoenix Project: A Novel About IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford GitHub Actions Stack Overflow Continuous Integration: Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk, by Paul M. Duvall, Steve Matyas, and Andrew Glover Niall Murphy Site Reliability Engineering: How Google Runs Production Systems, by Niall Richard Murphy, Betsy Beyer, Chris Jones, and Jennifer Petoff Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

On today's podcast, Christina Rudolph is joining Jeffrey Palermo to discuss DevOps from a Product Manager's perspective! Christina Rudolph has been a Product Manager at Clear Measure since November 2019. Previously, she served as Vice President of Operations for SAFE 2 SAVE from 2018 to 2019, she is the Founder and was Executive Director of the Friends of Hamilton ISD Education Foundation from 2011 to 2018, and an Information Technology Project Manager at Accenture from 2001 to 2008. She has had an incredible career and is really experienced in unifying teams through proven strategies, natural leadership, and concise decision making. As a Product Manager, Christina has a unique perspective to bring the table in today's episode! She shares what developers can do to help the non-technical people involved in their organization, how to give more accurate estimations when planning projects, addresses some of the biggest challenges for a Product Manager when interfacing with the development team, and more! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:53] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [1:08] About today's episode and guest! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Christina on to the podcast. [1:40] Christina provides some background on the various software roles she has held over the course of her career. [4:18] Are some of the challenges from 2 decades ago in shipping software still similar to today? [7:03] As a Product Manager, what does Christina need from a development team? And what can developers do to help the non-technical people involved in their organization? [12:30] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:55] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [13:33] Why are we still struggling to solve the age-old problem of estimating and planning projects? [18:07] The biggest challenges for a Product Manager when interfacing with the development team and how Christina recommends addressing them. [19:55] Where should people go to learn more? Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Christina Rudolph's LinkedIn SAFE 2 SAVE Capers Jones The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBOK) Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Happy New Year's — it's officially 2020! To kick things off for this first episode back, Jeffrey is bringing you a special solo episode that will be entirely focused on the three essential scenarios that your DevOps pipeline needs to support. Whether you're doing your own research, planning on putting this all in place for new projects, or even adapting a legacy application with your DevOps environment — this is essential information. This overview will thoroughly cover all three of these scenarios; going in-depth about when they start, what they include, their goals, and the problems that occur when they are not implemented — so be sure to tune in! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [:57] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements. [2:05] About today's solo episode! [3:10] What the three essential scenarios are. [4:20] Starting with the developer scenario first, Jeffrey starts by explaining the general structure of what things are necessary in the DevOps environment to enable the developer to just get something working (AKA the four essential pre-code design decisions that must be made so that any developer can write code). [9:07] Jeffrey explains what the developer scenario includes. [12:20] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:46] Jeffrey makes some announcements about upcoming events and opportunities! [14:29] Jeffrey picks up his discussion on the developer scenario and finishes explaining the essential capabilities that need to be in the DevOps environment to facilitate it. [16:37] Jeffrey explains when the team scenario starts, what it includes, and what the goals of it are. [22:40] All about the support scenario: when it starts, what it includes, and the ultimate goal. [31:45] Jeffrey wraps up this week's podcast by summarizing the three scenarios! [32:21] Be sure to pick up Jeffrey's book, .NET DevOps for Azure, which outlines how to implement the building blocks of these three scenarios! [32:33] If you would like a few free chapter excerpts from .NET DevOps for Azure, you can email Jeffrey at [email protected]. Also feel free to email him if you have any follow-up questions about this episode or suggestions for future episodes! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Azure DevOps Podcast: "Kathleen Dollard on Setting Up Your Machine for .NET Core — Episode 69" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's episode marks the end of 2019 as well as over a year of Azure DevOps Podcasts! In today's final episode of 2019, Kathleen Dollard joins the podcast to discuss setting up your machine for .NET Core! Kathleen is a Principal Program Programmer at Microsoft, a long-time developer, and a national conference speaker. She's been at Microsoft for a little over two years now and is an expert in C#, .NET and ASP.NET, SQL Server, and Visual Basic. She's also the author of the book, Code Generation in Microsoft .NET (published in 2004), which put forth principles of metaprogramming that are still valid today! Tune in to hear Kathleen as she highlights all the important, key pieces listeners should consider when diving into the world of .NET Core for the first time, a peak under the covers of what's currently going on behind the scenes of .NET Core from Kathleen's perspective, and how you can most effectively set up your machine for .NET Core today! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes. [1:06] Jeffrey gives a quick announcement. [1:18] About today's episode! [1:34] Jeffrey welcomes Kathleen to the show. [2:43] Kathleen speaks about the journey of her career and how she's come to work on the .NET Core team at Microsoft. [5:05] Kathleen speaks about her experience as a language expert. [6:54] From Kathleen's perspective, does she .NET Core 3.1 as the new wave? I.e. if you've been waiting, now is the time to move to it? And how complete is it? [10:34] Kathleen and Jeffrey talk about the migration of classic ASP applications. [13:26] What do people need to start thinking about when setting up their machine for .NET Core? Kathleen also highlights a recent bug and how to get around it! [25:00] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [25:28] Jeffrey highlights some exciting announcements! [27:11] Why does Kathleen think that Visual Studio Code is more popular than Visual Studio 2019? [28:52] Kathleen talks about some of their work behind-the-scenes. [30:55] Kathleen shares some key information for those who distribute WinForms applications. [32:05] Kathleen is open to hearing listeners' ideas! Feel free to reach out to give her your feedback! [32:45] Kathleen speaks about their uninstall tool in the works and where to get a hold of the beta. [34:48] In Kathleen's opinion, what would cause someone to choose a new WinForms app .NET Core versus a WPF Core app? [38:53] Kathleen shares what the .NET Core team is up to right now. [40:00] Kathleen highlights some additional resources and gives some advice for those planning on making the .NET Core plunge! [43:43] Jeffrey thanks Kathleen for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Code Generation in Microsoft .NET, by Kathleen Dollard .NET Core Visual Basic (VB) Rosalind NuGet MSBuild JSON Visual Studio Code Visual Studio 2019 Dotnet.Microsoft.com/download/dotnet-core/current/runtime/desktop Blazor GitHub.com/dotnet/CLI-lab MSIX Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey Palermo is joined by Sudhanva Huruli, a Program Manager at Microsoft. He's currently a maintainer on the Open Application Model and has been at Microsoft now for 2 years. In the past, he's also worked on Microsoft's distributed systems platform (Service Fabric), led the effort for their Java developer offering, and helped design and build a product to provide visibility into the status of rollouts to any core Azure services. In this episode, Jeffrey and Sudhanva explore the topic of the Open Application Model. Sudhanva explains what an OAM is, how it is different from a regular app, the major parts that make it up, the problems it solves, and what is on roadmap for the future of the OAM. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:53] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements! [1:10] About today's episode! [1:25] Jeffrey welcomes Sudhanva Huruli to the show! [1:32] Sudhanva shares his career journey thus far. [3:01] Sudhanva explains how they think about the distributed systems platform architecturally and the core thinking behind OAM. [3:57] Sudhanva describes what exactly an Open Application Model (OAM) is. [4:42] How is the open app model different from how you'd describe a regular app? [6:35] What was the challenge that led to the genesis of the Open Application Mode? [9:03] Sudhanva defines OAM, spec, and implementation. [9:49] Is the spec available on GitHub? What's currently available? [10:22] How would developers create implementations? And what implementations are out there so far? [11:47] What are their plans with Azure? [12:55] Sudhanva provides "cliff notes" of the OAM spec for listeners and explains the three major parts: application scopes, the component model, and traits. [15:55] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:22] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements! [18:04] Jeffrey and Sudhanva give more clarification to the component that's within the OAM spec. [19:26] Jeffrey and Sudhanva reiterate the key points around the traits within the OAM spec. [20:46] Is OAM taking a step towards solving the problem of knowing the health scope of all the components within an application? If so, how? [28:56] Sudhanva highlights some of the big lessons and solutions that haven't been acted upon yet but are on the roadmap. [31:49] Sudhanva speaks about what their main goal is at the end of the day. [33:39] Sudhanva highlight some valuable resources for listeners. [36:05] Jeffrey thanks Sudhanva for joining the podcast. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Sudhanva Huruli's LinkedIn Azure Service Fabric Mesh Alibaba Dapr Kubernetes OpenAppModel.io Cloud-Native App Platform (CNAP) Rust Cloud-Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep: "Mark on Fussell on the Distributed Application Runtime on Dapr" aka.ms/msigniteondemand (Look for Mark Russinovich's Sessions) github.com/oam-dev Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In today's episode, Elton Stoneman is joining the podcast! Elton is an Architect at Docker and an Azure MVP. He's currently in the process of writing his new book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, which already has 9 chapters up online! It's a completely accessible, task-focused guide to Docker on Linux, Windows, or Mac Systems. Elton started his career as a .NET Consultant and, as he says, 'Spent the last 10 years building big, ugly monolithic apps which [he] now spends his time teaching people how to break apart!' He soon became heavily interested in Docker and when the company had an opening for an Advocate, he reached out and joined their marketing team. After doing that for a couple of years, he became an Architect on their partnership team. Docker has exploded in both popularity and usage. And since this is completely Elton's world, Jeffrey picks his brain in this episode to learn more about the design philosophy around it and the strategy behind it all! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements! [1:00] About today's episode! [1:38] Jeffrey welcomes Elton to the show! [1:44] Elton speaks about his current progress on his upcoming book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches. [2:20] Elton speaks about how he ended up in this space and what his journey has been thus far. [5:04] Elton elaborates on the problems that Docker solves and explains some of the strategies behind it all. [9:40] Elton speaks about the practical differences between the Linux ecosystem of containers and the Windows ecosystem of containers. [12:56] Elton speaks about the new change of Windows supporting Kubernetes and what that means for Docker. [14:25] Elton shares his stance on what file format he thinks the future will go to and what he sees people using now when they're packaging up different applications for deployment. [18:17] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [18:40] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements. [20:20] Jeffrey poses a scenario to Elton: if your application is a Windows service and it's 10MB, how big is that Docker image going to be that is the release candidate? [22:06] How big should you expect the images to be if the application inside is 10MB? [25:30] How much uptake is Elton seeing on the Windows containers? [27:15] From an architectural strategy perspective, what does Elton and those at Docker think about when it makes more sense to use a Paz service versus a container? [31:04] In the future, does Elton foresee containers becoming the new normal to the extent of being baked right into the infrastructure of services in a way that most people won't even know that they're there? [32:58] Elton speaks about their efforts to make Docker as simple as possible. [35:05] What languages are the examples from Elton's book, Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, being delivered in? [36:21] Elton recommends some go-to resources for listeners! [37:36] Jeffrey thanks Elton for joining the podcast. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! .NET Conf 2019 Docker on Windows: From 101 to production with Docker on Windows, by Elton Stoneman Elton Stoneman's Blog Elton Stoneman's Pluralsight Courses Elton Stoneman's LinkedIn Elton Stoneman's Twitter: @EltonStoneman Kubernetes Multi-Stage Builds (Docker) Microsoft Ignite Conference AKS Docker Captains Dak4.net Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches, by Elton Stoneman — You can read the first several chapters here! And use discount code podazdev19 for 40% off (which is good for all Manning products in all formats)! Five free eBook codes (in MEAP so you can redeem them right now!): docppr-B6EE docppr-EDA2 docppr-B74D docppr-A095 docppr-84A2 Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

In this week's episode, Jeffrey Palermo welcomes Mark Fussell on to the podcast! Mark works on the Azure Compute team and is the Product Manager for the new Dapr framework (AKA the Distributed Application Runtime.) He has been working at Microsoft for the last 19 years and has been a passionate advocate for building microservice-based applications for the last 10 years. He has a proven track record of building innovative computing platforms, running large scale cloud services, and starting new million-dollar businesses within corporations. Today, they're going to be discussing Dapr, a new open-source project, and what it can do for developers. Mark explains how Dapr makes it easier for developers to build microservice-based applications, some of the use cases for Dapr, what the current level of maturity for Dapr is right now (and what you can start using it for today vs. what it will be able to do in the future), and how the idea of Dapr first came about. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:58] About today's episode! [1:31] Jeffrey welcomes Mark to the show! [1:44] Mark speaks about his current role and what his journey has been leading up to it. [4:24] Mark explains some of the difficulties developers face when transitioning to building services (rather than applications.) [9:32] How did Dapr come about? And what problem does it solve? [13:35] Are there certain use cases that Dapr is more (and less) focused on? [17:38] In a normal situation for a synchronized webservice call between A and B, A would have to have a configuration setting for the address of B. Does Dapr change that? [18:32] Mark provides an example where Dapr fits in very well using Azure Functions. [20:53] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [21:19] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements. [23:00] Is it correct to say that the developer experience to be able to consume an event or a call is just to write a method of C# and then Dapr invokes it? [25:28] Jeffrey and Mark talk simple use cases for Dapr. [28:29] Can Dapr use any other storage provider you configure whether it be Azure Queue or SQL Database? [30:47] What's the current level of maturity of Dapr now? And what should people start using it for now vs. what they could use it for in the future? [33:47] Are they any big upcoming announcements about Dapr on the horizon? [39:44] Jeffrey thanks Mark for joining the podcast! [40:07] Mark urges listener to join the Dapr community. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Mark Fussell's LinkedIn Mark Fussell's Twitter: @MFussell Dapr Dapr on GitHub Dapr Community on GitHub OAM (Open Application Model) Dapr Community on GitterAzure Service Fabric Kubernetes Azure Functions NServiceBus MassTransit Azure Queue Storage SQL Database Willow Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Just a few short weeks ago, Microsoft held its Ignite conference. Over 29k people filled the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, FL. It was a very energy-filled week! And your host, Jeffrey Palermo, had the privilege of being on staff this year as a part of the Community Reporter Team. The night before the conference, Jeffrey hosted a Party with Palermo event — an event he has been doing since 2005 (with the first one being just an open call to gather for dinner at a hotel restaurant!) Since then, he's had at least one Party with Palermo every year following — this year being no exception. In this episode, Jeffrey interviews a number of people at the party. And hopefully, you'll find just a few more community leaders to follow after listening to today's show! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:47] About today's special episode! [2:18] Kicking off the first of the interviews, Jeffrey first speaks with Greg Leonardo and David Neal! [3:06] David speaks about what he is looking forward to during Microsoft Ignite. [3:46] David plugs the company he works for, Okta! [4:22] Greg speaks about what he's doing this week at Microsoft Ignite. [5:28] Jeffrey thanks David and Greg for joining him. [5:46] Jeffrey's next guests, Stan Schultes and Sarah Hand, introduce themselves and share what they're looking forward to during the party and conference. [8:08] Jeffrey welcomes on his next guest, Walt Richard! [9:31] Walt speaks about what he'll be doing at the conference and what he's most interested in checking out. [11:30] Jeffrey thanks Walt for joining him. [11:36] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [12:00] Jeffrey gives some brief announcements. [13:45] Jeffrey's next guest, John Callaway, introduces himself. [14:35] John shares his plans for this week at Ignite. [15:22] Jeffrey thanks John for joining! [15:25] Jeffrey's next guest, Constantine, introduces himself. [15:35] Constantine shares what he is looking forward to at Microsoft Ignite. [18:00] Jeffrey thanks Constantine for joining him. [18:03] Scott Cate, Jeffrey's next guest, introduces himself and explains what he's doing at Microsoft Ignite this week! [23:18] Jeffrey welcomes on his next guest, Damian Brady! [23:44] Damian speaks about his focus for the week of the conference. [23:59] Damian speaks about his current role at Microsoft and what he's been up to lately with his work. [27:35] Jeffrey welcomes Laurent Bugnion to the podcast! [27:46] Laurent speaks about the talks he's going to be doing at Microsoft Ignite. [31:04] Laurent gives the sessions code for those looking to later stream his sessions from the conference. [31:34] Laurent gives his social media handles so you can follow him online! [31:58] Jeffrey closes out this week's show. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! [email protected] — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited! Microsoft Ignite Conference AKA.MS/MSIgniteOnDemand — Visit to watch sessions from the Microsoft Ignite conference! O'Reilly MediaDavid Neal ReverentGeek.com Greg LeonardoTampa Community Connect Okta VetsinTechStan SchultesSara Hand Spark Growth John Callaway The 6 Figure Developer Podcast with John Callaway Scott Hunter Scott Cate Damian Brady Laurent Bugnion Laurent Bugnion's Twitter Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey Palermo on the show today is John Campbell, a Director of Process and Solutions Architect at Anaqua! John has been with Anaqua for just over 3 years but has been in the industry for more than 20. He originally started out as a developer but is now leading several teams in the architecting of solutions for application features, is responsible for introducing and implementing SCRUM and agile principles across the organization, and is enabling his team with DevOps practices to ease the development and deployment of work being done (as well as to improve overall productivity!) In today's episode, John is telling his DevOps success story. His story is one of a software system that has been developed for 15 years; a monolithic architecture that is deployed as a website and a SQL server database. And now, he's gotten to the point where deploying is no big deal at all! Tune in to hear John share all the details of his journey and how he got it to the system to this point — as well as the next big steps on his journey (because the journey to excellence is never finished!) Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements. [1:01] About today's guest, John Campbell [1:20] Jeffrey welcomes John on to the show! [1:36] John explains gives an overview of what Anaqua does and how he got to this place in his career. [3:59] John gets more in-depth about the scale of Anaqua. [6:05] John gives an overview of the general shape of the system (such as how many databases, datastores, and headless offline processes there are, etc.) [7:27] Fast-forward to today, John speaks about what the experience is like when he needs to make a change and how fast he has been able to get their cycle time. [10:23] How many years did this system go without any automated tests? [10:31] John speaks about the unit tests they currently do and what that looks like. [17:03] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [17:30] Jeffrey makes some announcements about upcoming events! [19:11] Jeffrey and John speak about headless browsers. [20:22] John speaks about the database and how they do deployments from it now. [23:14] John speaks a bit about their lengthy integration build and the steps that need to happen to go from raw source code to a deployable artifact. He also highlights the critical steps that are important to their system in particular. [28:16] John speaks about what their current cycle looks like for an easy change (where it's clear what to do). [29:51] Often companies just need their technology to be able to keep up with the pace of the business. John speaks about this and then shares some of the challenges that they face. [30:48] John shares the next big steps on his journey! [32:30] Is the system slowly transitioning to .NET Core? [33:45] Many teams are struggling with a large codebase that they've inherited or architectural decisions that they wish that they could change quicker than they can. John offers some words of encouragement in regards to this! [35:25] Jeffrey thanks John for joining him in this episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Azure DevOps ASP.NET Core Anaqua John Campbell's LinkedIn John's Twitch Channel Donovan Brown's Blog [email protected] - Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) PhantomJS DACPAC Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Matt Mitchell is the lead engineer of the .NET Core Engineering Services Team at Microsoft. Matt joined Microsoft in 2006 after two years as an intern from 2004-05. Right out of the gate he did all C++ Compiler work for about 8 years. Eventually, his work morphed into working on the opensource infrastructure for .NET Core — which is what he's doing now! In today's episode, Jeffrey and Matt are taking a look into DevOps on the .NET Core Engineering Services Team! Matt dissects what Engineering Services is and what they're responsible for, some of the different system types within .NET Core, an overview of the .NET Core infrastructure and how they go about building and testing, and much more! Tune in to hear all of Matt's key insights around .NET Core and the Engineering Services Team. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements. [1:00] About today's guest, Matt Mitchell! [1:20] Jeffrey welcomes Matt on to the show! [1:26] Matt speaks about his career journey and how he landed his current position at Microsoft. [3:02] Matt dissects what Engineering Services is, how it differs from .NET Framework Engineering Services Team and other teams, and what exactly they're responsible for. [6:16] How many Git repositories overall make up .NET Core? And how do they organize that? [13:58] Matt explains some of the different system types within .NET Core. [17:11] With having 20 repositories now, does Matt foresee an event where they might have to introduce a 21st repository? And does his team provide guidance on how that would need to be set up if that was needed? [20:05] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [20:30] Jeffrey makes some announcements about upcoming events! [21:09] Matt provides an overview of the .NET Core infrastructure and how they go about building and testing. [26:00] Architecturally, the MS build tasks are the way that individual teams are provided with the tools to call so they don't have to duplicate that logic in their build scripts. So, for YAML files, is it just template guidance but that logic is duplicated in each repository? [32:20] Matt explains why choosing the right number of repositories is one of the biggest ways to absolve some difficulties. [35:16] Matt provides some examples of content-based systems. [38:19] Matt recommends some resources to check out after listening to this week's podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps Bootcamp 2020 — January 16th & 17th in Austin, T.X. .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! "The Evolving Infrastructure of .NET Core," by Matt Mitchell (on the Microsoft .NET Blog) Announcement of .NET Core Repository Consolidation Timeline for Runtime Repository Microsoft Phoenix Midori Roslyn CompilerBuildXL GitHub Repository Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Joining Jeffrey Palermo today on the podcast is James Montemagno! James is quite prolific in the space and has tons of content out on the web! Currently, James is a Principal Program Manager for Client Developer Tools at Microsoft with a focus on mobile development with Xamarin. Prior to his role at Microsoft, he spent 3 years at Xamarin, 2 years doing mobile dev, and a year before that he worked as a Windows phone dev — that's a total of 9 years in the mobile space! On top of his professional work, James also runs several podcasts, live streams on Twitch, and creates many tutorial videos on the topics of Xamarin and mobile DevOps. In today's episode, Jeffrey and James will be discussing the Xamarin development cycle. James describes the overall vision for what he (and Microsoft) wants to enable people to do with all of these various client devices, and then thoroughly explains what the chain will look like in today's day and age for a multi-targeted Xamarin application on the mobile side from building it, to the automated test suites, to deploying it, to pre-production, and ultimately, to production and telemetry. At the end of the episode, James also cites many incredibly valuable resources to follow-up on to become even more familiar with Xamarin and mobile DevOps! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:45] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements. [1:05] About today's guest, James Montemagno! [1:34] Jeffrey welcomes James to the show! [4:03] James speaks about his career journey and how he ended up at Microsoft and specifically focusing on Xamarin and client developer tools. [11:03] James describes the overall vision for what he (and Microsoft) wants to enable people to do with all of these various client devices. [13:55] With having some background in game development, does that factor into James' (and Microsoft's) vision? [15:51] On the mobile side, James walks us through what the chain will look like in today's day and age for a multi-targeted Xamarin application from building it to the automated test suites to deploying it to pre-production and ultimately, to production and telemetry. [23:50] A word from the Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [24:17] Jeffrey gives some more announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [26:00] Can you build with one build configuration for multi-targeted, or, do you have to set up multiple pipelines for each target? [27:25] After you get to the point where the build is running, how many artifacts is typical for multi-targeted? And what format? [30:38] For those who have never done connected app center before, does James believe it to be fairly straight forward? Or are there particular steps you should be paying attention to? [37:47] James recommends some valuable resources to follow-up on! [44:15] Where James recommends you follow-up to hear more of him! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) Microsoft Ignite 2019 .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! James' Twitter: @JamesMontemagno James' Website: Montemagno.com Xamarin Unity Xamarin Forms App Center James' Azure DevOps Mobile App Tasks Extension Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 59: "Daniel Jacobson on DevOps for Desktop Applications" Abel and James 6-part Web Series on Mobile DevOps Xamarin 101 Web Series .NET Videos Docs.Microsoft.com/Xamarin Github.com/JamesMontemagno Twitch.tv/JamesMontemagno James' Livestreaming Kit SetupSuz Hinton's Twitch Live Coding Setup Merge Conflict, with James Montemagno and Frank Krueger The Xamarin Podcast, with James Montemagno and Matt Soucoup The Xamarin Show on Channel 9 with James Montemagno Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week, Jeff Hollan is joining the podcast! Jeff is a Principal Program Manager on the Azure Functions team. He is always developing and shipping solutions on the latest and greatest tech, and is passionate about speaking at conferences around the world — he truly lives and breathes all things serverless! Jeff will be sharing tons of information about Azure Functions and the landscape of serverless on this episode! He shares how to start with going serverless and navigating the many different ways to do it, and gives his recommendations on where to get started with Azure Functions if you've never written a function before. Jeffrey and Jeff also trace through the DevOps lifecycle for a function — really digging as to not miss any important details! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements. [:55] About today's guest, Jeff Hollan. [1:13] Jeffrey welcomes Jeff to the show! [1:31] Jeff shares his career journey up to this point in time. [3:22] Jeff speaks about what is new in serverless as well as the options that people should be paying attention to these days! [4:55] Without Visual Studio, can a function just be PowerShell? [6:25] With there being so many different ways now to do serverless, how do you even choose? [9:17] Can you write some code as an Azure function but then install it as a regular Windows service inside of an on-premise VM? [11:06] When would Jeff say not to use Azure Functions and would alternatively recommend something else? [13:58] What is the deployable package format that is best for deployability to an Azure function resource in Azure? [18:30] A word from the Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:00] Jeffrey gives some more announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [20:50] Jeff shares the recommended way of creating Azure resources for the environments. [23:26] In Jeff's opinion, is it a better pattern to deploy the command lines for tweaks and modifications to your Azure functions' resource at the same time you deploy the application changes? Or, is it better to have a separate pipeline? [25:11] Does the slot concept work the same way as Azure Websites or are there any differences? [28:00] For those who haven't used slots before, Jeffrey asks Jeff: 'If someone has a production environment, a UAT environment, and two other environments, are they creating one Azure function with 8 slots or do they need a separate Azure function per environment? Is there a general rule of thumb? [30:55] Jeff speaks about when and why functions can go cold. [32:25] With Azure Functions, what are the configurations to choose to just play around with it for as-close-to-free as possible? [34:05] Jeff speaks about what's coming down the pipeline that people should be keeping an eye out for! [35:34] If you've never written a function, Jeff recommends some go-to resources to get started with! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Party with Palermo - Microsoft Ignite Conference 2019 (Eventbrite) Special pre-release offer that expires Nov. 2nd: email Jeffrey at [email protected] and tell him who his very first guest on the podcast was then he'll send you a free e-book copy! .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! .NET Conf 2019 Jeff Hollan's Blog Jeff Hollan's Twitter: @JeffHollanAzure Functions Python Docs.Microsoft.com Microsoft Learn Azure Functions Channel on Youtube Azure Functions on Twitter Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest on the podcast is Shayne Boyer, a Principal Cloud Advocate and .NET Lead at Microsoft! For the last 15 years, he has been developing Microsoft-based technology, mixing in a little Oracle and Android — but truly, .NET is the world he lives in. He has started User Groups for Windows Phone, worked in Government Software, Public Records Systems, created major reservations systems for Cruise Companies, and has even worked for a mouse (AKA Walt Disney World) as a Senior Solutions Architect. In today's episode, Shayne and Jeffrey are discussing the landscape of Containers and Cloud-Native. Shayne highlights some of the new Windows Containers capabilities, gives his opinion on what he thinks should be the current file format or release candidate, explains what Cloud-Native means (and what is considered Cloud-Native), and speaks about which elements of .NET Core are interesting to him right now. Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:49] Jeffrey gives a few quick announcements. [1:12] About today's guest, Shayne Boyer! [1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Shayne to the show! [1:42] Shayne speaks about his career journey and how he ended up at Microsoft. [2:56] Shayne shares what he's been working on these days. [4:33] There's a lot of talk about building a new application targeting Azure and running it in Containers. But what are the options for getting those out of the data centers? [6:30] Shayne speaks about some of the new Windows Containers capabilities. [9:28] Is every single Windows Containers 2GB now? Or if you do a derived container with just a couple of tweaks, is that another 2GB? [10:51] Some people have been talking about the Container as the new release candidate package format rather than bundling up your application as a NuGet package and putting it into Azure Artifacts. What's Shayne's opinion on what file format or release candidate should be now? And what does he think will be trending towards the future? [14:04] What does Cloud-Native mean? And what is Shayne doing with it? [19:45] When you're developing, what can be considered Cloud-Native? [21:21] Is it correct to say that Cloud-Native is getting away from having any operating system to manage that's in the mix? [22:58] A word from the Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [23:28] Jeffrey gives some more announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [26:22] Which elements of .NET Core are really interesting to Shayne? What is he working on around it? [30:33] Does Shayne know what he's going to show at Microsoft Ignite 2019? [31:40] Shayne speaks about going Cloud-Native with remote workers. [33:10] With being on the other side of the country, is Shayne in a VPN the whole day or is there is something that has surpassed VPN now? [37:27] Jeffrey and Shayne speak about what the future of Cloud-Native could look like. [39:18] Shayne gives some recommendations for listeners to follow-up on if they want to learn more about Containers or Cloud-Native. [41:33] Jeffrey thanks Shayne for joining the show! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Party with Palermo - Microsoft Ignite Conference 2019 (Eventbrite) Special pre-release offer that expires Nov. 2nd: email Jeffrey at [email protected] and tell him who his very first guest on the podcast was then he'll send you a free e-book copy! .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Shayne Boyer's LinkedIn Shayne Boyer's Twitter Shayne Boyer's Website .Net Conf 2019 The Cloud Native Show on Channel 9The Azure DevOps Podcast: "Glenn Condron on New Capabilities in .NET - Episode 58" Windows ContainersWCF Kubernetes NuGet Azure Artifacts Docs.Microsoft.com Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Daniel Jacobson, a Program Management Lead on the Visual Studio team focused on empowering Windows Developers. Daniel was one of the speakers at the .NET Conf 2019 and will also be at the 2019 Microsoft Ignite conference! Daniel joined Microsoft about 5 years ago as a Program Manager. And now, as a Senior PM on the Visual Studio team, Daniel's focus is on the biggest challenge that developers are facing anywhere in their development. His team empowers literally millions of developers building applications for Windows devices. All that they do is centered around customers and their desires. In this episode, Daniel and Jeffrey speak about DevOps for desktop applications. Daniel shares his vision for empowering all Windows application developers to seamlessly and incrementally modernize their existing applications through the work that he and his team is doing. Daniel largely focuses on the Visual Studio App Center in this episode, going into detail about each and every step you need to know about when integrating it, and provides additional resources at the end of the episode to further your learning. Tune in! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:49] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [3:27] About today's guest, Daniel Jacobson! [3:53] Jeffrey welcomes Daniel to the show! [4:04] Daniel speaks about his journey in the space and how he ended up where he is today. [5:54] What is a client application? What makes them different? [9:52] What are the choices available for those looking to run a native Windows application on the Microsoft platform? [13:32] With WinForms, WPF, and .NET Core 3.0 coming out, what things can we not yet do if we're trying to go to .NET Core 3.0? What should people watch out for? [15:55] Daniel explains all we need to know about Visual Studio App Center! [17:30] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [17:55] If somebody is upgrading an older WinForms' app into .NET Core, would they track their work on Azure Boards or does App Center provide work item tracking? [18:58] Does the App Center integrate with existing source control? And following that, does the App Center support an automated build process? [20:01] After the build and you've got a numbered release candidate package of some sort, what should the developer do? [23:03] Is this all ready to go today for developers to use? [23:25] Daniel explains the next step in the process once you have the package ready and are ready to deploy to your first pre-production environment or test group of users. He elaborates on what that looks like and what tool to use. [24:31] Daniel continues to explain what the package does once it is in App Center and what the chain of pre-production environments look like. [25:16] When users get the latest version of your app, is that going through the Microsoft store? What will automated updates look like in the future? [26:31] So will App Center feature be a full-on replacement for ClickOnce? And what is it called? [29:46] Is the Microsoft business store 'a thing?' [30:17] Does App Center have an integration with the Microsoft store? [30:38] What does the process look like to actually 'go to production?' [32:19] Are Xamarin, operational telemetry, crash reports, etc. all wired into App Center? [33:36] Looking forward, what is Daniel's vision for the future? [35:11] Daniel highlights some valuable resources for listeners that want to learn more! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Party with Palermo - Microsoft Ignite Conference 2019 (Eventbrite) Special pre-release offer that expires Nov. 2nd: email Jeffrey at [email protected] and tell him who his very first guest on the podcast was then he'll send you a free e-book copy! .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure e-book! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Daniel Jacobson's Twitter: @PMatmic Aka.ms/WinUI MSIX App Installer XAML Islands WinForms WPF .NET Core 3.0 Azure Pipelines App Center Azure Boards ClickOnce URL-Based Windows Installer Xamarin DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/VisualStudio DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/DotNet Aka.ms/MSIX Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey is speaking with Glenn Condron! Glenn is the Program Management Lead of the App Platform team within the Developer Division at Microsoft, focusing on .NET. With .NET Conf 2019 just recently wrapped up, Glenn will be highlighting some of the new capabilities within .NET! Glenn was a part of the keynote, where he gave some really interesting demos showing the new stuff coming out for .NET. Having seen the keynote himself, Jeffrey knew that his listeners had to know all about it for themselves too! So, in this episode, Glenn speaks about what he showcased at the conference, explains how he ran his .NET Core 3 demo, how gRPC is changing the game, and shares his current personal preference for running the .NET Core application in a container. Jeffrey and Glenn cover a lot of ground regarding .NET, so be sure to tune in! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [2:24] About today's guest, Glenn Condron. [2:42] Jeffrey welcomes Glenn to the show! [2:48] Glenn shares what he spoke about during the 2019 .NET Conf keynote. [3:46] Glenn speaks about what his career journey has been like and what he's currently doing in his role at Microsoft. [5:14] How gRPC is changing the game when it comes to blocking synchronous calls. [7:44] What does gRPC stand for? [8:23] Glenn explains his philosophy and the thinking behind making the backend without giving the URL to the calling application, and instead, publishing a library that their calling application consumed so that their service owned its own protocol (instead of locking in the client to that over-the-wire protocol). [14:42] Glenn provides his take on whether anything that is a step higher in compatibility (i.e. allows for a greater reach of clients who can use it), tends to include extra steps and a decrease in productivity. [17:30] Glenn speaks about how he ran his .NET Core 3 demo (at the 2019 .NET Conf) in a Linux container and some of the interesting and impressive pieces of it. [20:23] A word from the Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [20:49] Glenn explains what it is running as in Azure. [21:00] Glenn speaks about the networking, and what he configured in the network to get it to be in front. [26:28] Was the Blazor app deployed to the same Kubernetes cluster? [26:58] Glenn explains how to set up .NET with the Blazor app. [28:06] Glenn gives a loving criticism of Javascript and his part with helping .NET developers be better with the existing ecosystems. [33:06] Out of all the options for being able to run your .NET Core application in a container, which is Glenn's personal preference? Which does he think should be the norm? [40:35] Where to learn more about Glenn's presentation at .NET Conf and follow him online. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here! bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Glenn Condron's LinkedIn Glenn Condron's Twitter .NET Conf 2019 gRPC Blazor AKS JSON .NET Conf 2019 Recordings on Channel 9 github.com/dotnet-presentations Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

On this week's episode, Jeffrey is joined by Craig Loewen to discuss the Windows Subsystem for Linux! Craig is a Program Manager on the Windows Subsystem for Linux team. He started his journey in University by studying as a Mechatronics Engineer. Really loving all things software, Craig worked at several different companies, but eventually found his way to Microsoft as an intern. Not long after, he got hired on full-time! He's been with the WLS team now for about a year. Today, Jeffrey and Craig Loewen discuss the ins and outs of WLS. They talk about how the codebase for WSL is organized, what it actually looks like to build WSL, some of the exciting highlights and changes to version 2 of WSL, Craig's plans for the UI in WSL 2, and much, much more! Tune in to get the full scoop! Topics of Discussion: [:45] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:52] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [3:47] About today's guest, Craig Loewen. [3:55] Jeffrey welcomes Craig to the show! [4:12] How did Craig end up in his current role and what has his journey been like at Microsoft and prior to Microsoft? [4:58] Craig gives a quick overview for listeners who have never used the Windows Subsystem for Linux. [7:18] Where is the codebase for WSL organized? [7:53] Is it one massive Git repository or is it a series of repositories? [8:30] What language/s is it written in? [8:44] Is it a visual studio solution? [9:28] What does it mean to build WSL? What does it look like to actually change some code and produce a new version of the build that could be tried out by somebody? [10:26] What are some of the key meaningful things that they have to have in their part of the build? [12:16] Craig highlights some of the exciting changes in version 2 of WSL. [14:46] Does running on a virtual machine open up some additional capabilities? [15:22] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:50] Is it an overstatement to say that when version 2 of WSL comes out, and you're running Windows 10, you'd be running Windows and Linux? [18:00] What is WSL's build server? [18:55] How often is WSL running this massive build? [19:43] What goes into Craig's private build script? [20:37] When Craig says 'run it on my box,' what does that entail? [21:00] Craig speaks about the automatic testing they have for the subsystem. [22:39] Is it a manual process or automated integration when they pull external issues from their GitHub into Azure DevOps? [23:37] How do they get information, telemetry, and logs about how WSL is going out there in the wild? [24:40] Does Craig know how many people are actively using WSL out in the world? [25:14] Jeffrey and Craig speak more about how WSL version 2 is going completely VM-based and what that means. [27:32] If WSL 2 is going to go to Windows server, does that mean that in Azure when someone spins up a Windows server and they want to put multiple low-volume applications on a particular VM that want to target either Linux or Windows that it doesn't matter because both kernels are native? [29:36] What are Craig's plans for the UI for WSL 2? [30:55] Craig's recommendations for those who want to learn more! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Craig Lowen's Website Craig Loewen's LinkedIn Craig Loewen's Twitter @CraigALoewen Azure DevOps Podcast: "Oren Eini on DevOps Success at RavenDB (Part 1) — Episode 55" Azure DevOps Podcast: "Oren Eini on DevOps Success at RavenDB (Part 2) — Episode 56" Arduino Windows Subsystem for Linux Documentation (aka.ms/wsldocs) Windows Command Line (aka.ms/cliblog) Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

This is the second part to the two-episode series with Oren Eini! If you haven't listened to the first part already be sure to tune into that one first! Oren Eini, pseudonym Ayende Rahien, is a frequent blogger at Ayende.com and has over 20 years of experience in the development world, with strong focuses on the Microsoft and .NET ecosystem. As an internationally acclaimed presenter, Oren has appeared at DevTeach, JAOO (now GOTO) QCon, Oredev, NDC, Yow! and Progressive.NET conferences; sharing his knowledge via conferences and written works such as DSLs in Boo: Domain-Specific Languages in .NET, published by Manning and now another book, Inside RavenDB. Oren remains dedicated and focused on architecture and best practices that promote quality software and zero-friction development. And of course, Oren is also the founder and CEO of RavenDB; a fully transactional, NoSQL, all-in-one database. In this second episode, Oren and Jeffrey continue their discussion about RavenDB and how Oren built the DevOps environment for it. There are many unique complexities to their environment and Oren details them all out — from the tests they conduct to the migration process, and much, much more — you won't want to miss the second part to this fascinating conversation! Topics of Discussion: [:53] Diving right back into the conversation, Jeffrey asks Oren how he has designed his DevOps environment to identify when he's encountering tricky stuff? [1:45] Roughly how many test cases are there? [4:04] What is Oren's server of choice? [4:22] Where and how to check out and download all the code for yourself! [6:05] The problem with unit tests. [8:37] Oren explains how, after building, they fan out and do multiple deployments in different scenarios and platforms at once so that they can execute their tests. [9:29] What longevity tests are and what they accomplish. [13:00] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [13:28] Oren speaks about the value they're getting from static analysis. [28:50] For those who have never used a document database before, when should they consider taking a look at or utilize RavenDB? [34:15] How does one migrate their data structure? How does that concept come into play with RavenDB? [35:29] Is there a migration process or tool for when you need to transform from time-to-time as part of your deployment? [35:40] In regards to integrating with other tools for people who only use SQL Server — what is there experience going to be like? [39:29] For those who want to learn more, Oren gives some recommendations on resources to follow-up on. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!Oren Eini (LinkedIn) DSLs in Boo: Domain-Specific Languages in .NET, by Ayande Rahien Inside RavenDB, by Oren Eini RavenDB GitHub.com/RavenDB/RavenDB Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Ayende.com Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Oren Eini, pseudonym Ayende Rahien. Oren is a frequent blogger at Ayende.com and has over 20 years of experience in the development world, with strong focuses on the Microsoft and .NET ecosystem. As an internationally acclaimed presenter, Oren has appeared at DevTeach, JAOO (now GOTO) QCon, Oredev, NDC, Yow! and Progressive.NET conferences; sharing his knowledge via conferences and written works such as DSLs in Boo: Domain-Specific Languages in .NET, published by Manning and now another book, Inside RavenDB. Oren remains dedicated and focused on architecture and best practices that promote quality software and zero-friction development. Another interesting tidbit about Oren is that he is the founder and CEO of RavenDB — which also happens to be the topic of today's podcast! They discuss how Oren came to start his own company, RavenDB, as well as how he built the DevOps environment for it. Oren and Jeffrey dove incredibly deep into this topic — so deep in fact that the interview had to be split up into two parts! Look forward to the second part of this two-part series next week! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:50] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [2:35] About today's guest, Oren Eini. [3:43] Jeffrey welcomes Oren to the show! [4:04] Open Source is the norm now, but it wasn't back then! Oren speaks about some of the differences in the industry. [9:13] Why did Oren decide to start his own company, RavenDB? [11:13] Oren explains Object-Relational Mappers (ORM) and provides some examples. [15:11] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [15:38] Jeffrey and Oren continue their conversation about and getting his company, RavenDB, off the ground. [20:20] Oren speaks about becoming an expert in a handful of major databases and understanding what it means to talk to the database (because he was a prolific committer and maintainer for NHibernate a mature, open-source object-relational mapper for the .NET framework.) [25:25] How did Oren build a DevOps environment for RavenDB? [35:45] This is where part 1 of the interview ends — look forward to part 2 coming soon! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!Oren Eini (LinkedIn) DSLs in Boo: Domain-Specific Languages in .NET, by Ayande Rahien Inside RavenDB, by Oren Eini RavenDB GitHub.com/RavenDB/RavenDB Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Ayende.com Scott Guthrie Groups.Yahoo.com/neo/groups/altnetconf/info NHibernate Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

On this week's podcast, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner are joining the show! Kayla is a Program Manager on the Windows Terminal Team and has been working for Microsoft for the last 8 years, and Rich is a Senior Program Manager, also on the Windows Terminal Team and has been with Microsoft for nearly 4 years. Kayla and Rich are speaking with Jeffrey today to discuss how the Windows Terminal Team does DevOps. They'll be speaking about all the recent news regarding the new Windows Terminal, the history of what it has meant to the command line on Windows (as such a critical part of the operating system), and all that they do to ship code and set up their DevOps environment! They also share information on which dependencies and environment you need to have in place to actually build it and run it locally for yourself. Tune in to get the full scope on this really critical piece of software! Topics of Discussion: [:44] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:51] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [2:15] About today's guests, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner. [2:28] Jeffrey welcomes Kayla and Rich on to the podcast! [3:23] How Kayla and Rich landed on the Windows Terminal Team and how the creation of the new Windows Terminal came about. [13:11] What is Kayla's tool of choice for creating wireframes and mockups? [14:20] Rich picks their story back up from when Kayla joined the Windows Terminal Team. [16:21] Starting with their thought process around architecture, Rich speaks about what goes on before they even put hands to keyboards. [24:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [25:06] How will they be documenting this going forward? [25:52] How do they have the code for Windows Terminal organized? [29:46] Rich shares the GitHub URL for the new (and original) Windows Terminal and Kayla explains which dependencies and environment you need to have in order to actually build it and run it locally. [31:52] Kayla and Rich talk about the build process and the whole flow of making changes. [33:52] Kayla begins explaining the process piece-by-piece (from their method of branching, what testing framework is used, how many tests are in the terminal codebase to how they automate the workflow in GitHub, the workflow for members, and more). [42:09] What's the breadth of static analysis that's part of the build? And what are their tools of choice for the steps involving static analysis? [45:05] Rich gets into what's at the end of the chain after the pull request gets accepted and merges into master (i.e. what the process looks like and what steps are there). [48:09] What is their opinion about the viability of small text-based user interfaces? [54:20] Rich gives his recommendations on where to get started and learn more. [55:48] Jeffrey thanks Rich and Kayla for joining the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Windows Terminal (Preview) Microsoft Ignite 2019 Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Jeffrey's .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX) Kayla Cinnamon's LinkedIn Rich Turner's LinkedIn Figma Microsoft Visio GitHub.com/Microsoft/Terminal TAEF Turbo Vision ChocolateyKayla's Twitter: @Cinnamon_MSTF Rich's Twitter: @RichTurn_MS DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/CommandLine Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today, your host, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with Jared Parsons, the Principal Developer Lead on the C# Compiler Team. Everybody tuning in probably uses his code on a day-to-day basis! Jared started out at Microsoft 15 years ago as a Developer; moved on to become a Senior Developer; then Principal Developer on Midori OS; and most recently, the Principal Developer on C# Compiler Team, which he has been with since 2014. In this episode, Jeffrey and Jared are taking a look at what the DevOps environment looks like for the C# Compiler. They take a look at how the source code is organized, the configuration process, some of the challenges they've run into and how they've solved them, as well as Jared's career journey with Microsoft. The C# Compiler is a highly depended on, complex, widespread piece of software — so tune in to get all the behind-the-scenes insight with Jared Parsons! Topics of Discussion: [:39] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:49] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [2:13] About today's guest, Jared Parsons. [2:27] Jeffrey welcomes Jared on to the podcast! [3:17] Jared speaks about his background with Microsoft and how long he has been with the C# Compiler Team! [4:09] Jeffrey and Jared begin to discuss what the DevOps environment looks like for the C# Compiler, starting with how the source code is organized. [4:51] Is everything public on GitHub? [5:15] If someone clones the Roslyn .NET compiler repository, will they be able to build it locally? [6:44] Besides the compiler, what other components are included? [7:35] Do they use Azure DevOps Services? [8:13] Do they have branching models? [9:47] Is it YAML-based? [11:44] Jared explains the goal of their CI build, as well as all that they do in CI. [13:25] Some of the early issues they ran on to on the Roslyn project. [13:55] Jared dives back into describing the DevOps environment for the C# compiler. [15:28] What platforms are the fastest to do this process with? [15:53] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [16:20] Jared continues the conversation about CI. [20:06] After the CI build, Jared speaks about what's next in the configuration. [21:12] After the CI build finishes, Jared explains how they package it up and release it. [22:27] Do they use Azure Artifacts to store the result of the build? And what format of Artifacts have they chosen? [23:53] Jared explains the final step in their release pipeline. [25:33] Jared explains the next pipeline that's kicked off after they complete their release pipeline. [26:02] Jared shares how they enforce compatibility. [26:50] Does Jared have static code analysis in place in their pipeline? [30:08] Where to find everything Jared has been talking about today. [31:13] Do they use any third party Visual Studio add-ins? [31:54] How are they planning on targetting a platform that runs from a URL? [34:17] Jeffrey wraps up this week's podcast and thanks Jared for joining! [34:39] Jared recommends a few resources for those looking to learn more. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! .NET Conf 2019 Microsoft Ignite Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube Channel Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter Jared Parsons (LinkedIn) GitHub.com/dotnet/Roslyn GitHub.com/dotnet/Roslyn-Analyzers GitHub.com/dotnet/CSharpLang Visual Studio Azure DevOps Services Azure Artifacts Visual Studio SDK Xunit Analyzers Microsoft Build 2019 Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Patrick Smacchia is the founder and CEO of NDepend — a tool for .NET static analysis — and has been in the software world for over 20 years. He's one of the world's top tier experts in static code analysis. And today, with more than 8,000 client companies (including many Fortune 500s), NDepend offers deeper insight and understanding about their code bases to a wide range of professional users around the world. In this episode, Jeffrey and Patrick will be discussing static code analysis. Patrick elaborates on exactly what it is, how to think about it, why you should implement it, and gives his recommendations on how to get started as well as further learning. Everyone in the DevOps world needs to know what static code analysis is and how to put it in place, to tune in to learn all about this key concept! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:46] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [1:39] About today's guest, Patrick Smacchia. [1:56] Jeffrey welcomes Patrick on to the show! [2:18] Patrick explains what static code analysis is and how he thinks of it. [7:46] Patrick further elaborates on the concept of treating the code as data with static code analysis. [15:25] How should we think about this realm of static code analysis? What advice would Patrick give someone on how to think about when it comes to static code analysis? [23:03] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [23:30] When it comes to finding problems in the code, how does Patrick determine which code is too complex? [37:10] Resources Patrick recommends to listeners who would like to learn more! [39:34] Jeffrey thanks Patrick for joining him on today's episode. Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Patrick Smacchia NDepend Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

James Avery is the founder and CEO of Adzerk. Adzerk is the next generation of publisher ad serving. It's built to be faster, easier to use, and comprehensive than anything on the market today. Adzerk helps you build the exact server you want; through their ad serving APIs, they allow developers to build and scale innovative, server-side ad platforms without reinventing the wheel. James originally started Adzerk back in 2010, FTPing files up to an IaaS VM, and now he has a whole team and receives 3 billion requests per day! If you want to know how he did it, tune in to hear James as he explains how he started his company from the ground-up, how he scaled it, some of the early problems they ran into and how they resolved them, and his tips for developers looking to scale their systems! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:48] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [1:47] Jeffrey welcomes on today's guest, James Avery! [2:28] James tells his story and speaks about his path toward starting his own company, Adzerk. [11:52] How long did Adzerk's original three servers last before their next bottleneck? [13:00] James speaks about how receiving financing, finding their market, scaling their business, and finding their focus helped shape Adzerk into what it is today. [15:00] How Adzerk's ad serving APIs work and how they work with the development teams of other companies to build on top of their APIs. [16:46] A word from Azure DevOps sponsor: Clear Measure. [17:13] How did James go from being the only developer to building an entire software engineering team at Adzerk? [19:12] After getting up to hundreds of millions of requests per day, James speaks about the next problems they ran into and how they resolved them. [23:55] Jeffrey and James speak about the common problem that is managing data and moving data from one place to another. [25:15] James shares some of the mistakes that made early on with SQL Server. [26:27] Why AWS and not Azure? [29:46] Why did it look like when James realized that his manual process was not working and he needed an automated way to get changes out to the various servers in production and have a solid process where it can be done quickly? [31:02] Do they have set times when they deploy or does it happen whenever it needs to? [32:21] What advice would James give to managers on how to ask the right questions to get the information that they need from their employees. [35:11] James leaves listeners who want to scale their own systems with some tips! [37:00] Jeffrey thanks James for joining him on the podcast! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Microsoft Build James Avery (LinkedIn) Adzerk Pluralsight Stack Overflow SQL Server Ninject Node.js XML JSON Redis Apache Hadoop Amazon Web Services (AWS) Dynamo Amazon Redshift Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest, Richard Lander, is a Principal Program Manager on the .NET Core Team at Microsoft. He's been with Microsoft for a total of 19 years, 16 of which have been with the .NET team. Richard is an absolute mover and shaker in pushing the .NET platform forward! Currently, he's working on runtime features and performance, CLI experience, docker container experience, ARM32 and ARM64 support, IoT/GPIO/PWM support, blogging and customer engagement, and speaking at conferences. He's part of the design team that defines new .NET runtime capabilities and features. And in his spare time, he enjoys British rock and Doctor Who! With a lot going on with .NET right now, Richard fills listeners in on all they need to currently know! He speaks about what his own journey has been like working at Microsoft and on the .NET team, some of the high-points in regards to what he's been spending most of his time on with .NET, what his vision is for .NET Core 5.0, his thoughts on whether or not developers should be migrating to 3.0 if they're currently .NET Framework, and his favorite features that he's been working on in .NET Core 3.0. Richard also shares many of his favorite resources, gives his recommendations on what listeners should follow-up on! Topics of Discussion: [:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:45] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [1:38] About today's topic and featured guest! [2:23] Jeffrey welcomes Richard to the podcast. [3:00] Richard tells his origin story and speaks about what his journey has been like at Microsoft for the last 19 years. [7:30] Richards speaks about some of the high-points that he has been spending a lot of his time thinking about these days in regards to .NET. [9:25] Is it true they will be skipping the name .NET Core 4.0? [10:24] With .NET Core 3.0 coming out, is this the time that developers using .NET Framework should be thinking about migrating to 3.0? [11:55] What is Richard thinking about around the vision for .NET Core 5.0? Have they announced their vision for .NET 5.0 yet? [15:53] Which GitHub pages you should check out if you want to keep up to date on all the .NET news as well as a few more resources and blogs to check out. [19:11] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure. [19:36] If you've migrated to Azure DevOps and you're using the latest (which is currently the YAML file for the pipeline), does that mean that if someone hooked up their own Azure DevOps organ and pointed it to the CLR's GitHub Repository, that they could actually "spit up" the pipeline for the CLR for that YAML file and just build it for themselves in their work? [21:27] Richards speaks about the shift to more open-source work and why it is so crucial to the industry. [26:24] Richard speaks about the feature in .NET Core 3.0 that he worked on and is the most excited about. [29:39] Which pathways are 'real' at the moment and which are the easiest to get started with for those who are just getting into docker? [37:25] Richard speaks about what they do with the Raspberry Pi. [44:54] Richard works out a scenario that Jeffrey throws his way about .NET! [53:45] Richard gives his recommendations on where to learn more. [54:40] Jeffrey thanks Richard for joining him this episode! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Richard Lander (LinkedIn) XML Xamarin Unity GitHub .NET Core on GitHub ASP.NET on GitHub NuGet on GitHub MSBuild Microsoft on GitHub YAML CLR GitHub MIT license Docker Container Kubernetes Azure Container Services Azure Service Fabric Azure Container Instances (ACI)Azure Web Apps Kudu Debian Ubuntu Alpine Linux Support for ARM Arm64Port Raspberry Pi libgpiod NuGet.org DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/DOTNET Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Today's guest is Mads Torgerson, the lead designer and program manager of the C# programming language. He has been with Microsoft for 14 years. And prior to that, Mads was a professor and also contributed to a language starting with J. In this week's episode, Mads and Jeffrey are discussing the latest in C#. Mads shares everything he knows about C#, the progress on C# 8 and when you can expect to get your hands on it, and all of the new features to look forward to. Mads and Jeffrey also speak about some of the main hurdles with the release of C# 8, some of the key problems they will be addressing in future versions of the language, and which frameworks will be supporting the new features of C# 8. He also shares some invaluable online resources to learn more about the upcoming features in C# 8 to follow-up on after listening to this week's episode! Tune in for this week's deep dive into the language of C#! Topics of Discussion: [:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes! [:49] Where to get a hold of Jeffrey's new book, .NET DevOps for Azure. [1:40] About today's episode and guest. [1:54] Jeffrey welcomes Mads Torgersen to the show! [2:07] Mads speaks about his career journey leading up to the present day. [4:07] Does Mads have a sense of how many people are typing keywords in C# on a daily basis? [5:25] Mads speaks about what's left to do to get C# 8 out the door. [6:24] The new main features to look forward to in C# 8. [10:23] Mads recommends online resources to learn more about the upcoming features in C# 8. [11:50] What should developers think about when it comes to backward compatibility in C# 8? [17:06] Mads speaks about the differences in nullable value type, the route they took with C# 8 in regards to it, and how it affects it. [23:37] A word from Azure DevOps sponsor: Clear Measure. [24:01] Mads speaks about one of the hurdles with the release of C# 8. [26:48] When does Mads foresee people being able to have C# 8 in their hands? [27:50] Will .NET framework 4.8 have any of the features? [28:10] Which frameworks will support the new features of C# 8? [29:21] What are some of the key problems Mads and the team will be trying to figure out some solutions in future versions of the language? [34:00] Mads speaks about a few more of the hurdles that make it difficult to select C# for a functional style as opposed to going to another language like F#? [35:57] Mads speaks about type data in C#. [39:20] Mads gives some resource recommendations to follow-up on after listening to this week's show! Mentioned in this Episode: Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events! Mads Torgersen C# MVP Summit Anders Hejlsberg "The Future of C#," with Mads Torgersen and Dustin Campbell at Build 2018 Docs.Microsoft.com Mads Torgersen on GitHub GitHub.com/dotnet/csharplang Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.