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Show Notes
Charlie and Maggie Stiefvater (The Listeners) discuss the lesser-known history of the US hosting Axis diplomats in luxury hotels, the arrangements made to swap diplomats one for one, including disability and mental illness in such a story, Maggie's main character's dachshunds and their relationship to the man they never let pet them, the era-aligned game that Maggie created, and much more.
General references: Shiver (film adaptation) Charlie's conversation with Elaine Chiew is episode 111 Amelie Big Fish
Books mentioned by name or extensively: Maggie Stiefvater: Shiver Maggie Stiefvater: The Scorpio Races Maggie Stiefvater: The Raven Cycle Maggie Stiefvater: The Listeners
Release details: recorded 1st May 2025; published 8th September 2025
Where to find Maggie online: Website || Instagram || Facebook || TikTok
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Discussions
00:01:41 How the book started 00:08:01 The history and hotels in terms of Maggie's interest. Lots of info here! 00:13:08 How Maggie created the characters; whether there's been a change in her process of 'thieving' 00:16:30 Creating June and her role as 'Hoss' 00:20:51 June and Tucker together and in the context of the sweetwater 00:25:43 Are the sweetwater or Avalon hotel characters? 00:28:57 The letters Maggie bookends the story with, and then we move on to Pennybacker and the dachshunds and Edgar 00:38:12 411 00:41:18 Disability and labels in the book, including Sandy and Maggie's decisions in regards to his story thread 00:50:04 Edgar beyond the pages 00:51:55 The arrangements during WW2 where diplomats were exchanged between the powers 00:57:49 What did Pennybacker have to say about the Swiss that he said he'd tell June? 00:59:11 The game of Winnet! 01:03:46 Present news about the Shiver film adaptation 01:04:39 Brief info on what Maggie's next adult novel
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