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Baseball is back, and so are the Blue Jays’ top decision makers. Ben and Arden set up the '26 season by discussing the newly earned extensions for Ross Atkins (02:10) & John Schneider (41:35). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With only days remaining in spring training, Arden checks in from Dunedin to chat with Ben about the latest around the Blue Jays. What to make of the Jose Berrios and Trey Yesavage injuries? (2:00) How will the Blue Jays roll out their rotation? (19:54) And who’s in the running for the final bullpen and bench spots? (36:16) This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Cristian Ceniti and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

As the WBC ends, spring training's back in the spotlight. Ben chats with Yahoo's Jordan Shusterman about the WBC (01:22), the Jose Berrios injury and (31:18) the Jays’ team culture (40:17). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

New questions emerge after some bad news for Jose Berrios. Ben and Arden discuss the state of the rotation (05:26), Kevin Gausman’s opening day nod and (23:59) check in on the bullpen (37:10). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

It’s been a huge week for Canadian Baseball. Shi Davidi joins Ben to talk about what Canada’s big win means (00:34), what it’s like at the WBC (14:27) and what to expect against Team USA (32:15). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

How does this pitching puzzle fit together? Sportsnet’s David Singh joins Ben to talk about Trey Yesavage (07:59), covering spring training (23:59) and WBC handshake etiquette (29:34). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Nearly a month into spring training, Arden checks in with thoughts on why Josh Kasevich is having such a strong camp (00:54), how recent performances by Addison Barger and Kevin Gausman connect to broader pre-season themes (13:12), and what makes Tyler Rogers so unique among MLB relievers (28:10). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Fresh off a Dylan Cease simulated game, Arden and Ben sit down to talk about what they saw from the Blue Jays big offseason addition (03:55) and how the rotation picture continues to evolve (10:25) before answering some listener questions (21:30). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

As spring continues, the Blue Jays rotation plans remain fluid. Arden and Ben discuss Max Scherzer’s relationship with the Blue Jays (27:32), how the rotation fits together (12:47), and the team’s depth chart as opening day nears (40:39). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Max Scherzer is a Blue Jay once again. Arden and Ben discuss what Scherzer’s addition means for the club (6:54), break down Cody Ponce’s spring debut (24:33), and offer a few observations from camp (29:33). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Ben has officially joined Arden on the ground in Dunedin to discuss José Berríos, Eric Lauer and Max Scherzer (5:40) before weighing in on spring overreactions (30:02) and Kazuma Okamoto launching his first home run down in Florida (48:22). This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling. Contact us: [email protected] The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Blue Jays camp is officially open and there’s been no shortage of news. Arden and Ben give their thoughts on the fallout from Anthony Santander’s surgery (01:36), how Jesus Sanchez fits into the club’s plans (12:28), and whether any Blue Jays are extension candidates this spring (43:26).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Another season is upon us already. Arden and Ben discuss the approach of spring training (01:08), make sense of the Jays’ off-season (23:17), and look ahead to some major storylines (54:58).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The Blue Jays have flipped the narrative, jumping the market to land one of free agency’s biggest names well in advance of the Winter Meetings. Ben and Arden start by discussing the upside potential and downside risk of Toronto’s deal with Dylan Cease (00:20). Then, they cast forward to how the Blue Jays can approach Bo Bichette, Kyle Tucker, and the rest of the position player market (36:16).Finally, after the Blue Jays agreed to terms with Cody Ponce moments following this episode's original recording and rendered its final segment unusable, Arden jumps back in for a solo conclusion, offering his thoughts on what we can glean from the deferral structure of Dylan Cease’s contract and why the club is betting on the KBO MVP’s breakout (51:38).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

After covering the Blue Jays' incredible postseason run, capped by one of the most compelling World Series ever played, Arden and Ben reconvene to compare notes. How do we process a tremendously successful season capped by devastating heartbreak (5:00)? Why did the IKF discourse miss the mark (28:00)? And what lessons can the Blue Jays carry forward into 2026 (52:00)?This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

After a crushing Game 7 loss, it’s hard to make sense of what just happened. Ben offers some quick thoughts on a brutal ending.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Yes, the Blue Jays are in the World Series. Arden and Ben discuss the meaning of the moment (00:45) before looking back at an epic ALCS (25:05) and forward to the most interesting World Series subplots (51:44).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The Blue Jays’ dream season continues with an ALDS win over the Yankees. Ben weighs in from New York to discuss how the Jays got here (02:32) and what the win means for players (20:08) and team personnel (24:08).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The ALDS is on the horizon for the Blue Jays, but first Ben considers some big questions. Among them: how the Jays set up their rotation (6:26), how Trey Yesavage gets used (20:04) and the trust level for Jeff Hoffman (23:40).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Having clinched a playoff spot, the Blue Jays must now push for a bye (01:31). Arden and Ben discuss some looming roster decisions (10:33), an upcoming rule change (52:45) and Alek Manoah’s DFA (1:02:00).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden ZwellingThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The dream 2025 season continues for the Blue Jays, who must now decide what’s next for Trey Yesavage (13:52), how to prepare for the playoffs (29:32) and what the future holds for Bo Bichette (51:37).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With the Blue Jays still atop the AL East, Ben weighs in on the good and bad surrounding this team, including Bo Bichette’s injury (03:32), winning the off-season (21:45) and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (33:25).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

First, a big-picture look at how the Blue Jays are positioned (0:50). Then, Ben and Arden discuss the latest adjustment to the rotation (20:30), Trey Yesavage (30:02) and the team’s big bats (46:38).Contact us: [email protected] Credits: Sportsnet 590 The FAN, MiLB.com, WGR 550This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With less than 30 games remaining, the Blue Jays are riding one of their most successful regular seasons in years (0:36). Arden and Ben take a big-picture look at how how the Jays can optimise their rotation deployment down the stretch (16:33), the Yankees' threat in the AL East (33:26), and the future for John Schneider and Mark Shapiro — both on expiring contracts (42:15). Finally, they discuss Andrés Giménez's offensive ceiling (52:11) and break down the team's recent bullpen struggles (1:00:00), including potential solutions for Jeff Hoffman.Contact us: [email protected] views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Big picture, the Blue Jays are in a great spot – so Arden and Ben dive into some specific questions about Vlad Jr. (06:01), the newest member of the starting rotation (26:01) and the Jays’ late-inning relief (34:29).Contact us: [email protected] audio from MLB.comThis podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

After a busy deadline it’s time to make sense of it all, so Arden and Ben assess the overall impact added (00:48), Louis Varland’s long-term role (42:01) and where Ty France might fit (57:03).Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThis podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With a week remaining before the trade deadline, let’s dive in. Shi Davidi joins Ben to discuss covering the deadline (01:00) the league-wide trade market (20:50) and the Blue Jays’ needs (36:29).Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Shi Davidi.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All of a sudden, the Blue Jays are unbeatable. Arden and Ben discuss what’s going right for the Blue Jays (2:43) before discussing the starting rotation (29:32) and brainstorming a couple trade ideas (51:32).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.com, Sportsnet, Sportsnet 590 The FANThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliates.

After some big wins against the Yankees, the Blue Jays are fighting for first. Arden and Ben discuss the vibes around the team (1:02) and the latest on Scherzer (9:43) before wondering about trade deadline additions (26:15).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.com, Sportsnet, Sportsnet 590 The FANThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

At this rate, the Blue Jays are likely to be summer buyers. Arden and Ben discuss what pitching the Jays will need (01:31) before wondering about offensive upgrades (27:49) and the role of this front office (40:33).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

Despite a sweep in Philly, the Blue Jays are in a good spot. Arden and Ben discuss what the Rafael Devers trade means (14:18) before turning to manager John Schneider (41:17) and some pitching questions (47:18).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

Thanks to some big swings, the Blue Jays are playing their best baseball yet (00:35). Arden and Ben break down the success of Kirk and Clase (02:52) before discussing what to do with Bowden Francis & the rotation (28:15).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

After a convincing sweep of the A’s, the Blue Jays are finally rolling (00:20). Arden and Ben discuss the Addison Barger breakout (17:51) and wonder what the future holds for the fifth rotation spot (56:50).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

On this week’s episode, Ben answers a wide range of listener questions about the 2025 trade deadline (03:54), what’s ahead for some prominent prospects (13:33), and Bo Bichette’s future (34:37).Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

The Blue Jays aren’t gaining ground in the standings (00:37) so Arden and Ben look closely at Anthony Santander’s struggles (24:37) before checking in on some other off-season moves (37:40).Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

This week Arden and Ben start with a big-picture check in on the Blue Jays (00:19) before discussing Jeff Hoffman’s struggles (32:08) and the state of the starting rotation (1:02:29).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

With the Blue Jays back in Toronto, Ben looks closely at Kevin Gausman’s 53-pitch inning ((04:36), wonders about the team’s rotation depth (19:11) and gives Arjun Nimmala some credit (22:41).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.comThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

The Blue Jays aren’t hitting, and it’s costing them in the standings (00:29). Ben and Arden wonder about possible solutions for the offence (29:22) and what’s next for the Jays’ rotation (50:24).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

After a strong week for the Jays, Ben and Arden discuss their starting rotation (07:00), give the bullpen some credit (19:24) and wonder whether this lineup can succeed without tons of homers (33:27).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

Ben and Arden break down Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s extension and what it means on the field (00:28) and for the team’s future direction (29:14). Plus, a discussion about the team’s tough series against the Mets (52:30).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

A 5-2 start wouldn’t have been possible without some impressive hitting (02:40). Plus, Ben and Arden look at how the Jays can fill in for Max Scherzer (30:49) and discuss the much-improved bullpen (46:25).Additional audio from MLB.comContact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

A new season means hope for the Blue Jays (01:17) and a newly finalized roster (07:50). Plus, Arden and Ben break down the Alejandro Kirk deal (31:00) and revisit the Vladimir Guerrero Jr. discussion (43:56).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Questions around Max Scherzer are impacting the Blue Jays’ pitching staff (01:05). Plus, Arden and Ben look ahead at the Blue Jays’ bench (24:02) and discuss 2025 expectations for George Springer (54:58).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

First, some further intrigue on Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (1:20). Next, Arden and Ben have lots to discuss from Dunedin, Fla. including some possible strengths and weaknesses of the 2025 team (11:30).This podcast is produced and sound engineered by Sho Alli and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.Contact us: [email protected] Credits: MLB.com, SportsnetThe views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

So much for a potential deal with Vlad Guerrero Jr. this week. Arden and Ben look at the fallout for both the team (00:54) and the player (37:02) following negotiations that didn’t result in an extension.Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The stakes are high for the Blue Jays and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. this week (00:21). Ben and Arden look at how negotiations could unfold (15:32) and dive deep on the potential risks and benefits for both sides (59:09).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Arden and Ben begin with a look at the Blue Jays’ new roster. Is it good enough to contend? (00:22) Plus, breaking down the Rōki Sasaki pursuit (40:59) and a closer look at Anthony Santander and Max Scherzer (1:28:15).Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

The Blue Jays have made one big trade, but they still have significant needs. Ben and Arden discuss the Jays’ strategy (3:50), a possible Vlad Jr. extension (54:02) and what the deal for Andrés Giménez means (1:09:03).Additional audio from MLB.com.Contact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Arden Zwelling and Ben Nicholson-Smith.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With the off-season ramping up, Ben and Arden wonder how the Blue Jays can get better. Juan Soto? (02:15) A frontline starting pitcher? (38:17) Or some under-the-radar moves? (48:46) This episode of ATL covers all angles.Additional audio from MLB.comContact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliates.

Following the Blue Jays’ season-ending press conference, Ben offers his rapid-fire thoughts on the messaging from the front office (01:26), how to measure success for the Jays (12:36) and how they’ll approach free agency (17:39).Additional audio from MLB.comContact us: [email protected] podcast is produced and sound engineered by Christian Ryan and hosted by Ben Nicholson-Smith and Arden Zwelling.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliates.