
Ask Paul | National Electrical Code
Welcome to Ask Paul the podcast where nationally recognized electrical code experts answer your electrical code-related questions on a weekly podcast. Join us as we answer questions submitted on the www.PaulAbernathy.com website. Get answers from...
Paul W. Abernathy
Show overview
Ask Paul | National Electrical Code has been publishing since 2021, and across the 5 years since has built a catalogue of 322 episodes. That works out to roughly 160 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a weekly cadence.
Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 19 min and 37 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Education show.
There hasn’t been a new episode in the last ninety days; the most recent episode landed 6 months ago. The busiest year was 2023, with 91 episodes published. Published by Paul W. Abernathy.
From the publisher
Welcome to Ask Paul the podcast where nationally recognized electrical code experts answer your electrical code-related questions on a weekly podcast. Join us as we answer questions submitted on the www.PaulAbernathy.com website. Get answers from National Electrical Code Panel Members who give their own opinions to answering NEC-related questions. Please be sure to visit https://fasttraxtube.com and subscribe for a FREE ACCOUNT to listen to all our new podcasts starting March 1, 2024.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.
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When the Dream Needs a Day Job: Turning a Failing Business Into a Side Hustle
In this episode, we tackle one of the hardest truths in entrepreneurship—knowing when a business isn’t ready to stand on its own. Too many people pour thousands of dollars, years of time, and even money from family into ventures that simply aren’t producing enough income to survive. At some point, determination can turn into financial damage. We discuss how to recognize when it’s time to shift gears, get a steady job to stabilize your finances, and move the dream into a side hustle instead of letting it destroy your bank account and relationships. Stepping back from a struggling business isn’t giving up—it’s making a strategic decision to protect your future while continuing to build your vision the smart way.Opening QuestionsAt what point does a business stop being a “startup phase” and start becoming financial self-destruction?How do you know the difference between “pushing through hard times” and “refusing to accept reality”?Is it possible that the smartest business decision you can make is getting a full-time job?Why do so many entrepreneurs treat the idea of getting a job like it's failure?Is pride the biggest reason people keep pouring money into a dying business?Reality Check QuestionsIf your business hasn’t paid you in a year, is it really a business or just an expensive hobby?How many months of losses should someone realistically tolerate before reassessing?If your spouse or family is financially supporting your “business,” are you really running a business?When you start borrowing money from family to keep a business alive, has it already crossed the line?Is there a point where continuing a failing business becomes irresponsible to your family?Ego vs RealityWhy do entrepreneurs sometimes confuse stubbornness with determination?Is quitting the wrong business actually a smart entrepreneurial move?How much of entrepreneurship is about knowing when to pivot or pause?Do social media success stories make people feel like they must grind forever even when it's not working?The Side Hustle StrategyWhy is turning a struggling business into a side hustle often the smartest move?What are the advantages of building a business while working a stable job?How does having steady income actually help a business grow smarter?Why do many successful businesses start as side hustles rather than full-time ventures?Is it better to grow slowly with stability rather than forcing growth with debt?Financial ResponsibilityWhat financial signals tell you it’s time to stop treating something like a full-time business?Should every entrepreneur set a financial “kill switch” before starting a business?How much savings should someone realistically have before trying to go full-time with a startup?Is taking money from family to support a failing business ever justified?What’s the long-term damage to relationships when businesses collapse after family investments?Hard Truths SegmentIs it possible that some ideas are just not viable businesses?How do you know when the market has spoken?What’s the difference between “this needs more time” and “this will never work”?Why is it sometimes smarter to pause a business than destroy your finances trying to save it?Encouragement SegmentDoes moving a business to a side hustle mean the dream is over?Can getting a stable job actually accelerate your future success?Why is patience often the missing ingredient in entrepreneurship?Is the real entrepreneurial skill knowing when to adapt instead of when to grind harder?Powerful Closing Question “Is the goal to prove you're an entrepreneur, or to actually build something sustainable?” Strong Closing Statement You Could Use “A real entrepreneur isn’t someone who refuses to quit. A real entrepreneur is someone who refuses to destroy their future chasing something that isn’t ready yet.”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 55 | Burning Bridges in the Electrical Industry
In today’s connected world, burning bridges in the electrical industry can cost you far more than you realize. In this episode, The Electrical Guru dives into the real-world consequences of publicly criticizing inspectors, manufacturers, educators, and fellow electricians—especially on social media.The electrical trade is a tight-knit community where reputations travel fast, and opportunities often depend on professional relationships built over years. One emotional post or public rant can quietly damage your credibility, limit future support, and close doors you didn’t even know were open.Whether you’re an electrical contractor, apprentice, inspector, or industry professional, this episode delivers straight talk on why professionalism matters, how online behavior impacts your business, and what smart electricians do instead of burning bridges.If you’re serious about long-term success in the electrical industry, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 54 | My Thoughts on Home Inspectors
This episode is powerful because it focuses on the value of Home Inspectors to the electrician and not just the buyer and/or seller. You may be shocked, pun intended, to learn what Paul Abernathy, a nationally recognized electrical expert, thinks about home inspectors and what they bring to the table for electricians. We, as electricians and electrical contractors, are always looking to grow our business, to increase our exposure, and to simply be the best we can be.So, embracing the Home Inspection Industry is very important to an electrical contractor’s success. Yes, I know the actual Electrician likes to bash the stuff in a home inspection report when things are called out that seem frivolous, but at the end of the day, you, the Electrician, are getting paid to either fix the issues or give a detailed explanation of what is acceptable. Once that interaction is done, it’s up to the negotiation between the buyer and seller, and nothing you say in a report, be it the home inspection report or electrical follow-up evaluation, should be biased or one-sided. Simply state the facts, collect your check, and move on. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 53 | Do Your Service Techs have Soft Skills?
This episode is powerful because it focuses on the importance of soft skills, such as communication and conflict mitigation, that all service employees need to be trained to understand the importance of Soft Skills in the Trades. The company's reputation can be destroyed by one bad service call. The results of poor people skills can undo thousands of hours, if not years of hard work, when it could have all be avoided with some soft skills training.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 52 | Being the Best Electrician Will NOT Make You Successful
🧠 Being the best electrician in the world does not make you the best electrical contractor — and it definitely does not guarantee business success. In this episode, Paul Abernathy breaks down the uncomfortable truth most electricians never hear:Technical skill alone does not build profitable, scalable electrical contracting businesses. You’ll learn:Why customers don’t buy your technical ability — they buy your company imageThe difference between being a great electrician and a great electrical contractorHow branding, professionalism, communication, and systems drive real growthWhy so many talented electricians fail as business ownersWhat successful electrical companies actually focus onIf you're an electrician, electrical contractor, service technician, or business owner in the trades, this episode will fundamentally change how you think about success.🎧 Listen now and start building a company that grows with or without you.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 51 | Overview of Electrically Safe Condition
This episode is powerful because it provides an overview of a critical concept: effectively removing electrical power from a circuit or equipment and restoring it to an electrically safe condition.This podcast episode will provide a summary and overview of the 2-hour video on FastTraxTube.com, which discusses creating an Electrically Safe Working Condition using NFPA 70E and OSHA 1910.333 practices. This is a great listen before watching the video on FastTraxTube.com for an in-depth understanding of lockout and tagout procedures and all the necessary things to create an electrically safe work environment. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 50 | Understanding Thermal Severity in Thermography
Certified Thermal Electrician™ is the most complete thermal imaging certification program built specifically for electricians, electrical inspectors, and electrical contractors. This video is a sample from our program lesson on Understanding Severity in Electrical Thermal Imaging.This professional thermal imaging training teaches you how to safely perform infrared inspections, interpret thermal images using ΔT analysis, apply NFPA 70B & NFPA 70E standards, and write defensible inspection reports that protect both your customer and your license. Whether you are an electrician, master electrician, electrical contractor, facility maintenance technician, or electrical inspector, this course gives you real-world field skills you can apply immediately. 🔧 What You Will Learn✔ How to properly use thermal cameras for electrical inspections✔ How to calculate and interpret ΔT (temperature difference)✔ How to classify findings using the official Green / Yellow / Orange / Red severity system✔ How to perform thermal inspections on panels, motors, transformers, bus systems, VFDs, and control equipment✔ How load conditions affect thermal results (I²R heating explained)✔ How to avoid common thermal imaging mistakes✔ How to write professional NFPA-compliant inspection reports✔ How to turn thermal imaging into a profitable service offering🏗️ Built on Industry Standards This program is aligned with: • NFPA 70B (Electrical Equipment Maintenance)• NFPA 70E (Electrical Safety in the Workplace)• NETA Maintenance Testing Specifications• NEC Article 110 & 310 thermal principles🧑🏫 Who This Course Is For• Electricians• Master Electricians• Electrical Contractors• Electrical Inspectors• Facility Maintenance Professionals• Industrial Electricians• Preventive Maintenance Technicians💼 Why Electricians Need Thermal Imaging Most electrical failures begin as heat.Loose connections, overloads, phase imbalance, and deteriorating components all show early warning signs long before failure occurs.Thermal imaging allows electricians to detect these problems early — preventing fires, outages, downtime, and costly repairs.🎓 Get Certified Learn more about the Certified Thermal Electrician™ program here:👉 https://ThermalElectrician.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 49 | Why Calculators Matter for Thermal Electricians
This episode is powerful because it focuses on the free thermal imaging calculators we have at ThermalElectrician.com and how they can be useful to anyone who is using a thermal camera in the field for accurate and reliable results. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., and creator of the Certified Thermal Electrician program. Taking great electricians and making them amazingly great electricians.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 48 | Thermal Imaging is full of Misconceptions
This episode is powerful because it focuses on when untrained thermography experts peddle fear instead of facts to gain customers. In fact, in this episode, we talk about a few examples where a contractor lied to a customer and how that very act can give the profession a bad name. There is a difference between a Thermographer and a Certified Thermal Electrician, and we set the record straight in this episode. Sit back and enjoy the show.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 47 | Charging What You’re Worth Without Fear
This episode is powerful because pricing is the #1 issue that destroys contractor profitability, confidence, and scalability. Episode 47 positions YOU to become the authority who understands your value and breaks free from fear-based pricing. Many contractors are working their pricing backward, using an hourly rate, and actually have no idea what their cost of doing business actually is. They fight the low-cost competition only to put themselves out of business chasing that white rabbit down the hole of No Future. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 46 | Why Most Contractors Plateau and Break Through
In this episode, Paul talks about that famous plateau that many contractors experience as they attempt to grow their business. It’s not just a mental block; it is a real limitation that will stunt your business growth if you do not learn how to overcome it. In this episode, we will dig into all these topics to help you break that limitation and strive for growth.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 45 | The Contractor’s Blueprint for Repeat Business
In this episode, Paul discusses the importance of building a strong relationship with your customer from the outset, enabling the cash cow to flourish and ultimately drive growth. Learn the touchpoints to building a relationship with your customer and now to retain their business in the future. This is not rocket science, but there is a proven method for building success with repeat business rather than trying to fight the lead magnet mentality to always gain new customers. You already have a goldmine with your existing clients if you know how to market to them. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 44 | The Best Ai for Contractors
In this episode, Paul talks about how important it is to have NEC and other construction standards readily available when doing installations or inspections. In fact, making sure you are doing it right the first time sends a message to the customer that you know what you are doing and to the inspector that you are the best in the business. Without a tailored AI model designed for all trades, we can ensure you get the right results fast and accurately while in the field and on the job. Give TradeHog.Net a TRY for free and ask the HOG any questions you want. Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Why Every Electrical Contractor Needs a Thermal Imaging Camera and Course
Why Every Electrical Contractor Needs a Thermal Imaging Camera — And How It Will Transform Your Service Business. Learn more about our certification program at https://thermalelectrician.comWelcome back to another powerful episode of the Master The NEC Podcast, the show that helps electricians, contractors, inspectors, and professionals stay sharp, stay informed, and stay ahead of the curve. I’m your host, Paul Abernathy, your Electrical Guru, and today we’re diving into a topic that is transforming the electrical service industry: Why every electrical contractor — yes, EVERY ONE — needs a thermal imaging camera on every service call, not as an add-on.Not as “something we do sometimes.”But as a standard part of your professional toolkit. And we’re going to go deep into:NFPA 70B requirementsHow to create proper loading conditionsResidential and commercial applicationsI²R heating and hidden failuresHow thermal diagnostics increase profitabilityAnd why mastering this skill is essential for modern electriciansAnd of course, how all of this ties directly into becoming a Certified Thermal Electrician™ with Electrical Code Academy, Inc. Let’s get into it.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 42 | Ampacity of Conductors Explained
In this episode, Paul talks about how to determine the ampacity of single insulated conductors, such as THHN, when applying ampacity given in Table 310.16 and how to apply adjustments and corrections per 310.15(B)(1)(1) and 310.15(C)(1) for the 2023 National Electrical Code. However, these fundamental basics of conductor ampacity ring true regardless of the NEC you are using. This is a LONG podcast to prepare for nearly 2 hours of podcast instructions as Paul attempts to paint a mental picture of ampacity and how it impacts the conductors.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 41| Preparing for an Electrician Exam Properly
In this episode, Paul talks about how to prepare for an electrician exam the correct way. In this episode, Paul will explain how to help have a higher rate of success on an electrical exam, as well as tips on doing better during the electrical exam and in your preparation study time. The Fast Trax® Program is a structured learning program for the 2020 National Electrical Code and the 2023 National Electrical Code. Even if you are not taking an electrical exam, we have Mastering the NEC courses as well as Grounding and Bonding courses. Paul Abernathy is known as the Godfather of Structured Electrical Exam Prep, and in this podcast episode, he explains why he can help you be successful on the exam and in the field.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO, and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | Episode 40 | A Big Partnership is Coming!
In this episode, Paul talks about a massive announcement and industry-leading partnership between one of the largest manufacturers of thermal imaging products and Electrical Code Academy, Inc.We are poised to actually bring a change to the Thermography World with the only Electrician Specific thermal imaging course, and how to use it in your daily world, and for special conditions. This will be the biggest partnership of our CEO’s career, and it is within 7 days of being a reality. Visit https://ThermalElectrician.com to learn more and get started.Listen as Paul Abernathy, CEO and Founder of Electrical Code Academy, Inc., the leading electrical educator in the country, discusses electrical code, electrical trade, and electrical business-related topics to help electricians maximize their knowledge and industry investment.If you are looking to learn more about the National Electrical Code, for electrical exam preparation, or to better your knowledge of the NEC, then visit https://fasttraxsystem.com for all the electrical code training you will ever need by the leading electrical educator in the country with the best NEC learning program on the planet.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | E39 | Using QR Codes and Online Reviews to Supercharge Local Business.
Hey folks, it’s Paul Abernathy — The Electrical Guru from the Master The NEC Podcast.You want more local business without paying for ads?Here’s the trick — get your customers to leave 5-star reviews while you’re still on the jobsite.I’ll show you how to use QR codes — like the ones I laser-engrave on my metal hat clips — to link straight to Google, Bing, and Yelp.It’s simple, it’s smart, and it turns every service call into free marketing.Tune in to the latest episode — Scan for Success — and I’ll show you how to wire your business for growth.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | E38 | The Price Isn’t the Problem — You Are: How to Confidently Charge What You’re Worth
Welcome to the Master The NEC Podcast, where we go beyond code to talk business, professionalism, and mindset for electricians who want to master more than just conductors.I’m Paul Abernathy, The Electrical Guru, and today we’re talking about something that stops more electricians from succeeding than competition ever could — pricing fear.You’ve heard it before: ‘They’re cheaper than you!’ … or ‘I can get my brother-in-law to do it for half.’But the real problem isn’t your price — it’s your confidence.Today, I’m going to show you how to charge what you’re worth, how to sell your value instead of defending your rate, and how to walk into every quote knowing you’re the professional — not the discount store.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.

Master The NEC | E37 | 10 Top Negotiation Skills Electrical Contractor Should Master
Welcome to the Master The NEC Podcast, the show where we don’t just talk theory — we talk truth about the National Electrical Code, real-world installations, and what it actually takes to be a professional in this trade.I’m your host, Paul Abernathy — The Electrical Guru — and today we’re stepping outside the codebook for a minute to talk about something that every contractor faces sooner or later:That gut-twisting moment when a customer suddenly acts like they don’t want to pay once the job is done.You’ve been there — you did the work, passed inspection, the system’s clean, neat, and labeled… and now you’re standing there with an invoice that’s somehow “a surprise” to them.So how do you handle it? How do you protect your business, get paid, and still maintain your professional reputation?Today, I’m sharing 10 proven negotiation tactics that’ll help you.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ask-paul-national-electrical-code--4971115/support.