Apostasy Update with T.A. McMahon

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we are following up with our addressing two separate prayer gatherings in Washington, DC. They took place the last weekend of September, and their professed goal was to pray for the United States. Both were led by individuals who claim that their efforts involved praying for America, that America would repent and turn back to God, and that He would bring about revival. Franklin Graham was the main figure in one group. He’s the son of Billy Graham and heads up the Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Leading the other program was Jonathan Cahn, bestselling author and pastor of Beth Israel Worship Center. <br> <br>My guest to discuss what took place at the Washington gatherings is Dave James. He’s an author and Bible teacher as well as a longtime contributor to The Berean Call.</p>

<p>Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program, we are addressing two separate gatherings in Washington, DC. They took place last weekend of September, and their professed goal was to pray for the United States. Both were led by individuals who claim that their efforts involved praying for America, that America would repent and turn back to God, and that He would bring about revival. Franklin Graham was the main figure in one group. He’s the son of Billy Graham, and he heads up Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Leading the other program was Jonathan Cahn, best-selling author and pastor of Beth Israel Worship Center. My guest, as we discuss what took place at the Washington gatherings, is Dave James. He’s an author and Bible teacher as well as a long-time contributor to The Berean Call.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program, we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions on where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close. <br><br>Carl: Good to be back, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation.<br><br>Tom: Much of the information that we’ve been presenting for those of you who have been following our programs, you know that we’ve looked to a number of books: first of all, Carl’s book, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>And, Carl, well, I want to focus again, as we have been for the last couple of weeks, on your book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. And what I’d like to do in this program is revisit, really revisit, a subject that we discussed not too long ago, and that is sorcery: sorcery, which the Bible declares will be a conspicuous characteristic of society and a popular pursuit in the last days just prior to the return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>The term used in the New Testament in Greek is pharmakeia, which has to do with the administering of drugs, and from which we get our English word pharmacy. And one of the reasons I want to revisit sorcery and the Bible’s claim that the use of drugs will be common place in the end times has to do with the recent US election. Bills were passed in a number of states legalizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes and for recreation.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T.A. McMahon, and in this program we are addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close. <br><br>Carl: This is going to be an interesting conversation, Tom. I’m looking forward to it. Thanks for having me back on the program.<br><br>Tom: Sure! You know, much of the information that we’ve been presenting, hopefully, folks, if this is the first time you’ve tuned into the discussions that we’ve had, hopefully you’ll go back. We almost have 20-some programs along this line, and, folks, we think it’s really important stuff. And as I’ve said over the past, in the series, the information that we’re presenting is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re now focusing on Carl Teichrib’s book, Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. Carl, last week, where we left off, we were addressing sorcery—primarily the increasing use of hallucinogenic drugs and their acceptance throughout the world, as the Bible prophesies! That’s to us—as we’ve been talking about this—it should be a wakeup call, because the Bible said this was going to take place: sorcery, in the last days, which we’ve identified.</p>

<p>Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.<br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Good to be back, Tom. Looking forward to our conversation. <br><br>Tom: You know, much of—as you well know, Carl, and people who have been following us—much of the information we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: Game of Gods, your book, Carl; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. We’re now focusing on Carl’s book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. And, Carl, I wanted to discuss some of the things you wrote about in chapter 14.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T.A. McMahon, and in this program we are addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close. <br><br>Carl: This is going to be an interesting conversation, Tom. I’m looking forward to it. Thanks for having me back on the program.<br><br>Tom: Sure! You know, much of the information that we’ve been presenting, hopefully, folks, if this is the first time you’ve tuned into the discussions that we’ve had, hopefully you’ll go back. We almost have 20-some programs along this line, and, folks, we think it’s really important stuff. And as I’ve said over the past, in the series, the information that we’re presenting is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re now focusing on Carl Teichrib’s book, Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. Carl, last week, where we left off, we were addressing sorcery—primarily the increasing use of hallucinogenic drugs and their acceptance throughout the world, as the Bible prophesies! That’s to us—as we’ve been talking about this—it should be a wakeup call, because the Bible said this was going to take place: sorcery, in the last days, which we’ve identified.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program, we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions on where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close. <br><br>Carl: Good to be back, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation.<br><br>Tom: Much of the information that we’ve been presenting for those of you who have been following our programs, you know that we’ve looked to a number of books: first of all, Carl’s book, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>And, Carl, well, I want to focus again, as we have been for the last couple of weeks, on your book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. And what I’d like to do in this program is revisit, really revisit, a subject that we discussed not too long ago, and that is sorcery: sorcery, which the Bible declares will be a conspicuous characteristic of society and a popular pursuit in the last days just prior to the return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>The term used in the New Testament in Greek is pharmakeia, which has to do with the administering of drugs, and from which we get our English word pharmacy. And one of the reasons I want to revisit sorcery and the Bible’s claim that the use of drugs will be common place in the end times has to do with the recent US election. Bills were passed in a number of states legalizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes and for recreation.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: It’s good to be back, Tom. Looking forward to our conversation. <br><br>Tom: You know, much of the information, as you well know, Carl—I mean, how many programs have we done, and looking forward to some more! But much of the information that we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re now focusing on Carl Teichrib’s book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: It’s good to be back, Tom. Looking forward to our conversation. <br><br>Tom: You know, much of the information, as you well know, Carl—I mean, how many programs have we done, and looking forward to some more! But much of the information that we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re now focusing on Carl Teichrib’s book Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Reenchantment.” Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed, according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Thanks, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation, no doubt about it. <br><br>Tom: I think so. And, folks, if you’ve joined us for the first time, much of the material that we’ve been talking about has to do with—well, it’s taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice, Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re picking up where we left off last week, discussing shamanism—real shamanism, as it has been and is practiced around the world primarily, but not exclusively, by indigenous people groups and has been carried out for thousands of years, and we’ve contrasted that with today’s psychologized shamanism. What’s the difference? Very simply, it’s an attempt to translate the communication with their communication with spirit entities, which is what shamanism has practiced historically all over the world.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.<br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussion of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Good to be back, Tom. Looking forward to this discussion.<br><br>Tom: Yeah. Carl, as you know, and hopefully many of our viewers recognize that we’re—what we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Reenchantment.” Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed, according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Thanks, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation, no doubt about it. <br><br>Tom: I think so. And, folks, if you’ve joined us for the first time, much of the material that we’ve been talking about has to do with—well, it’s taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice, Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re picking up where we left off last week, discussing shamanism—real shamanism, as it has been and is practiced around the world primarily, but not exclusively, by indigenous people groups and has been carried out for thousands of years, and we’ve contrasted that with today’s psychologized shamanism. What’s the difference? Very simply, it’s an attempt to translate the communication with their communication with spirit entities, which is what shamanism has practiced historically all over the world.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Reenchantment.” Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed, according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Thanks, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation, no doubt about it. <br><br>Tom: I think so. And, folks, if you’ve joined us for the first time, much of the material that we’ve been talking about has to do with—well, it’s taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice, Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re picking up where we left off last week, discussing shamanism—real shamanism, as it has been and is practiced around the world primarily, but not exclusively, by indigenous people groups and has been carried out for thousands of years, and we’ve contrasted that with today’s psychologized shamanism. What’s the difference? Very simply, it’s an attempt to translate the communication with their communication with spirit entities, which is what shamanism has practiced historically all over the world.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we’re addressing biblical eschatology—what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Reenchantment.” Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed, according to the scriptures, as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Thanks, Tom. This is going to be another interesting conversation, no doubt about it. <br><br>Tom: I think so. And, folks, if you’ve joined us for the first time, much of the material that we’ve been talking about has to do with—well, it’s taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice, Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, and, most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind. <br><br>We’re picking up where we left off last week, discussing shamanism—real shamanism, as it has been and is practiced around the world primarily, but not exclusively, by indigenous people groups and has been carried out for thousands of years, and we’ve contrasted that with today’s psychologized shamanism. What’s the difference? Very simply, it’s an attempt to translate the communication with their communication with spirit entities, which is what shamanism has practiced historically all over the world.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we are addressing biblical eschatology, what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.<br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Tom, it’s good to be back with you, and I’m excited to see where this show goes. I think the subject matter is going to wallop a few people.<br><br>Tom: I hope that it really ministers, and, well, we’ll see how it goes. “Shake up” would not be a term that I would run away from in this, but whatever it takes for those who certainly have tuned into this. And we want to edify, and we want to give them information perhaps they haven’t had before.<br><br>Much of the information that we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind.<br><br>Last week, as you alluded to, we may have shocked some of our viewers by stating that America for the most part has turned from traditional Christianity to Eastern mysticism. Now, that would be—that would only be a shock to those who have been in a spiritual coma regarding what’s taking place around them. They have clearly missed what has been hidden in plain sight. <br><br>To bring that astounding charge into focus, we went back more than a hundred years ago to the writings of Samuel Andrews, who documented the then-religious beliefs here in America. He noted that the highly regarded philosophers of our day—of his day were nearly all atheists turned pantheists. Their beliefs filtered down through education and the literary crowd, the popular writers of the day, to seminaries, to local churches, and eventually to the men on the streets.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update. I’m T. A. McMahon, and in this program we are addressing biblical eschatology, what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment.<br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Tom, it’s good to be back with you, and I’m excited to see where this show goes. I think the subject matter is going to wallop a few people.<br><br>Tom: I hope that it really ministers, and, well, we’ll see how it goes. “Shake up” would not be a term that I would run away from in this, but whatever it takes for those who certainly have tuned into this. And we want to edify, and we want to give them information perhaps they haven’t had before.<br><br>Much of the information that we’ve been presenting in this series is taken from four books: your book, Carl, Game of Gods; America, the Sorcerer’s New Apprentice; Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict; and most importantly, the Bible, which is God’s direct communication to mankind.<br><br>Last week, as you alluded to, we may have shocked some of our viewers by stating that America for the most part has turned from traditional Christianity to Eastern mysticism. Now, that would be—that would only be a shock to those who have been in a spiritual coma regarding what’s taking place around them. They have clearly missed what has been hidden in plain sight. <br><br>To bring that astounding charge into focus, we went back more than a hundred years ago to the writings of Samuel Andrews, who documented the then-religious beliefs here in America. He noted that the highly regarded philosophers of our day—of his day were nearly all atheists turned pantheists. Their beliefs filtered down through education and the literary crowd, the popular writers of the day, to seminaries, to local churches, and eventually to the men on the streets.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update! I’m T. A. McMahon, and this is our series of Addressing Biblical Eschatology—What the Bible Has to Say Prophetically about the Last Days Prior to the Return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib, and he’s the author of Game of Gods—The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in out ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the scriptures as history draws to a close.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update! I’m T. A. McMahon, and this is our series of Addressing Biblical Eschatology—What the Bible Has to Say Prophetically about the Last Days Prior to the Return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib, and he’s the author of Game of Gods—The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in out ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the scriptures as history draws to a close.</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update! I’m T. A. McMahon, and this is the eighth program in our series of Addressing Biblical Eschatology—What the Bible Has to Say Prophetically about the Last Days Prior to the Return of Jesus Christ. <br><br>My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib, and he’s the author of Game of Gods—The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in out ongoing discussions of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the scriptures as history draws to a close. <br><br>Carl: Thank you, Tom. You know, this is an important topic. I’m hoping that the programs that we’ve been doing, the information that we’ve been sharing, has been both challenging and encouraging to the audience. <br><br>Tom: Carl, just to add onto that, folks, you know, this is…well, we’ve done a few of these programs, and there’ll be some more to come, but again, one of our purposes is—this is preparation. This is the antidote to what’s taking place in the world and, sadly, in the church. So, that’s what motivates us, right Carl?</p>

<p>Tom: Welcome to Apostasy Update! I’m T. A. McMahon, and this is our seventh program in our series addressing biblical eschatology, what the Bible has to say prophetically about the last days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. My partner in this discussion is Carl Teichrib. He’s the author of Game of Gods: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-enchantment. <br><br>Carl, welcome back, and thanks for joining me in our discussion of where the world and Christendom are headed according to the Scriptures as history draws to a close.<br><br>Carl: Tom, it’s good to be back with you. I can’t believe it’s seven episodes already! Wow! They’ve gone by quick.<br><br>Tom: They do, and we’ve got a few more to go, don’t we? <br><br>Carl: We do.<br><br>Tom: Carl, last week our discussion—I think I need to correct an erroneous impression that some may have regarding the Antichrist, particularly his kingdom and his religion. That came to light when a good friend of ours, Warren Smith, called me about the talks he’s giving at our 2020 Berean Call conference, and he said when the subject of Antichrist is addressed by him, at times some will admonish him saying, “We’re not to focus on the Antichrist, but on Jesus Christ.” And he wanted to know how I’d respond to that. I would agree to a certain extent, but then I’d have to ask, “What do they mean by ‘focus?’” <br><br>There are many today and certainly down through history who thought they knew who the Antichrist was and is, and that was their focus. People can guess at that all they want, but I think it’s an act of futility at best. Guesses are all they have. No one is going to know who the Antichrist is until he is revealed. And since I believe that takes place after the Rapture, believers won’t know until we return to earth with Jesus at His Second Coming, when our Lord will, according to the Scriptures, capture him and have him thrown alive into the Lake of Fire. So unless we have bleachers in heaven to watch the activities of the Antichrist unfold, which I highly doubt, we won’t know until we return with Jesus. <br><br>What then about a focus that’s biblical? Well, John the apostle was inspired by the Holy Spirit to focus on the Antichrist in his epistles and in the Book of Revelation. Paul, as well, in 2 Thessalonians gave us relevant information about the Antichrist setting himself up as God and seeking the worship of the entire world. <br><br>So, Carl, how does what we’re doing differ from trying to figure out who the Antichrist is?<br><br>Carl: It differs, Tom, in the sense that what we’re doing is trying to focus on the heart of the matter and not point our finger at a particular personality. I’ve had people come to me at different conferences with various schemes, and you’ve probably had the same thing, Tom, where people come to you maybe even with diagrams that they have drawn up showing that such-and-such a person, the way the letters of their names line up demonstrates that they are the beast or 666 or the Antichrist. But we don’t know! You’re absolutely right. We don’t know who that individual is, but we can know and can recognize the heart. We can recognize the message, the anti-salvation message that is being displayed by his personality, because it’s the same message that beats right from Genesis 3 right into all of our own hearts all the way up into that point in Revelation, and it’s that heartbeat of the simple nature of the creation opposed to the Creator. <br><br>It’s not that we’re focused in that we’re looking for a particular individual or saying, “So-and-so is the Antichrist.” No. But it’s in the Scripture, and by the very fact it’s in the Scripture means that we should be looking at it. If this is an area that we shouldn’t be tackling, can you tell me what other parts of Scripture we should be avoiding too? And so it’s important for people to recognize that what we’re doing is not looking for a particular person—to recognize that spirit, to recognize that dynamic that’s already working in the world. <br><br>Tom: And that’s certainly what Samuel Andrews did in his book Christianity and Anti-Christianity in Their Final Conflict, right?<br><br>Carl: Right. It very much, Tom, has that flavor.<br><br>Tom: Yeah. So the way I would say it, we’re trying to ascertain the characteristics of the Antichrist as they pertain to deceiving mankind…<br><br>Carl: Right.<br><br>Tom: …which is what you said. For example, the Antichrist, he wants to control the world as its leader. Well, how will that come about? And he wants to be worshipped as God. Again, how will that come about? In my thinking, in order for just those two things to take place, there needs to be a preparation, a conditioning of humanity in order for people to accept those attributes of the man of sin. It doesn’t happen