American Fever Dream

Rep. Mondaire Jones of New York joins Alise, Kaitlin, and Amanda to discuss his first year in Congress. What would he tell the HR manager six months in? Then they discuss the parts of the For The People Act that haven’t received enough attention, especially when it comes to gerrymandering. Finally, they all commiserate over Joe Biden’s failure to forgive student loan debt and when we might see some relief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Alise, and Amanda react to the day’s headlines, from a new Senate report telling us what we already knew about the Capitol riot to Vice President Kamala Harris’s stark warning to migrants from Central America. How can we have a productive conversation that acknowledges immigration is complicated without being callous? Finally, they play a Bachelorette-themed edition of Would You Rather in honor of Alise’s upcoming nuptials. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Sami and Amanda start by recapping the government-building in Israel and what the end of Bibi Netanyahu’s term might mean for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Then they react to Joe Manchin’s stunning announcement that he will not save democracy by voting in favor of the For The People Act. They discuss what this means for upcoming elections and whether there’s any hope for the rest of President Biden’s agenda. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Chasten Buttigieg, husband of Transportation Secretary and former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, and author of the book I Have Something To Tell You. They start off with a conversation about pandemic weight gain and how Chasten embraced being the best version of himself. Next, they shift the conversation to chat about what it was like for Chasten to grow up gay in the Midwest and how his life has changed since becoming a public spouse. Plus they talk about one of Chasten’s favorite Pride memories, which leads to a conversation about a visibility march he attended in his hometown. Lastly, they play a game of What Do You Do (D.C. Edition) where Sami asks Chasten questions including how he would react if he bumped into Bernie Sanders in a bathroom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Journalist Ari Berman of Mother Jones joins Amanda and Sami to discuss the five-alarm fire when it comes to voting rights and the safety of our democracy. He breaks down what the most egregious voting laws have in common, why the Texas bill feels especially dystopian, and the difference between the For The People Act and HR 1. We try desperately to inhabit Joe Manchin’s state of mind and map out what 2024 could look like without voter protections. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Amanda, and Kaitlin discuss Florida’s anti-trans bill and address whether transgender girls (aka girls) playing in girls sports limits opportunities for those assigned female at birth, explaining why this is a false choice that lets Republicans spread a message of transphobia and fear. Then, they run through some of Dr. Fauci’s most endearing leaked emails. Finally, they explain what’s different about Texas’s voter suppression law. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Alise, and Amanda are joined by Dylan Hafer, host of Betches new daily pop culture podcast Pop Alarm. They start with some reactions to the “Mare Of Easttown” finale. Then, they discuss widespread criticism of Naomi Osaka’s decision not to do press at the French Open, prompting her to withdraw from the tournament. Why wasn’t this woman of color’s decision to prioritize her mental health respected? They share the racist and sexist elements to the reaction and how they’ve been punished for setting boundaries in their own lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are back for a special alien-themed episode as we await the Pentagon’s report on UFOs. They break down what to expect in the highly anticipated report and how unexplained sightings in recent years have launched the alien convo into mainstream politics. They discuss their own extraterrestrial theories and consider how our fave politicians would react to an alien invasion. Finally, they play an alien-themed version of Would You Rather Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by host of Confronting: Columbine and Director of Fundraising and Project Journey Coordinator, Amy Over. They start off with a conversation on Amy’s experience as a Columbine survivor and what it is like still living with its aftermath. Next, they chat about how the shooting impacted her response to trauma as well how it influenced the way she raised her kids. Plus, they have a discussion about reliving the burden of survivor’s guilt and coping with it. Lastly, they chat about how to build a support system and find help with healing from trauma. You can listen to Confronting: Columbine on Spotify of wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts discuss two notoriously dangerous Karens: Amy Cooper and Marjorie Taylor Greene. They react to Amy Cooper suing her company for firing her after the viral video showed her jeopardizing a Black man’s life by calling the cops to Central Park. Then, they break down how Republicans have exploited Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Holocaust appropriation, and what they should actually do to protect Jews in America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts react to a break in the Trump investigation and imagine which Trump would be the best lifetime roommate. For the main topic, they break down reactions to the 1619 Project amid news that a prominent journalism school is denying Nicole Hannah-Jones tenure amid widepsread conservative backlash to the simple concept of acknowledging the country’s early commitment to enslaving people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Alise, and Amanda discuss the first anniversary of George Floyd’s murder. They reflect on culture shifts in the year since and look back on how the moment caused a movement. Then, they react to a viral story out of Florida, where a high school egregiously edited girls yearbook portraits, and revisit how similar experiences of shaming and objectification in high school continue to impact them as adults. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are back to discuss what they diidn’t miss about life before the pandemic and reveal which university will no longer use typical classnames. Then they describe the alarming increase in antisemitic attacks and how easily language about the Israeli-Hamas conflict can be exploited. They react to Liz Cheney’s sudden break from from reality and share details of the latest child sex offender to run for Congress. Then, they’re joined by Amani of Muslim Girl to discuss how to continue advocating for Palestinians human rights even when the conflict falls out of mainstream headlines. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Marisa Kabas, writer, activist, and Co-Founder and Editorial Director of Crush2020. They start with a conversation about her experience with the healthcare system after receiving a hospital bill totaling over $475,000. Plus, Marisa shares some the most absurd costs she discovered in her invoice. Next, they shift the conversation to discuss their views towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, how it's been playing out on social media, and how religion fuels the conflict. Lastly, they talk about the face of American Jewry and their takes on what that is going to evolve into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts open the show with a Shot Girl Summer thought exercise. Then, they roast the Republicans for deciding they don’t care to investigate the murderous mob that stormed their office six months ago, and share other updates about the Capitol riot that emerged since January. Finally, they look into how “pro-life” Texas Governor Greg Abbott really is. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today’s two-part episode includes an interview with Palestinian academic and commentator Dr. Yara Hawari. She describes how periods of escalating violence and Israeli military attacks result in devastation in Gaza even beyond the death toll, causing widespread injuries and demolishing livelihoods. She also explains how the forced expulsions in Sheikh Jarrah signify longer-term attempts by the Israeli government to fragment where Palestinians can live and work. Then, the hosts react to news that a Trump investigation has gone criminal and the Supreme Court’s alarming abortion to-do list. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are joined by Sup podcast director Sean Kilby to discuss revelations that Bill Gates may not have been the model citizen his pristine reputation suggests. They break down reports that he enjoyed spending time at Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion and made inappropriate advances towards women at Microsoft for years. Finally, they discuss how wealth is often -- and wrongly -- connected to morality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are back to recap the weekend of escalating violence after Israeli rockets killed dozens of Palestinians, including many children, bringing the death toll to 197, while Hamas missiles have killed 10 Israelis. They discuss conflicting reports about whether Hamas was operating in a building housing media outlets and how the Biden administration’s response has fallen short amid an international outcry about the humanitarian toll of the Israeli military response. Finally, they discuss the false choice between criticizing the inhumane and appalling actions of the Israeli government and believing in its right to exist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by writer and author of the newly released book, A Special Place For Women. They start off with a conversation about Laura’s background and how she got onto the path to becoming an author. They talk about Laura’s early career as a performer in New York City and how writing became a creative outlet for her before deciding to pursue it as a career. Next, Laura shares some insight behind how she landed her book deal and how aspiring writers can do the same. Plus, she also shares some of the ways she finds inspiration to write her books. Finally, they talk about the book Laura is currently working on and some of the elements that inspired her piece. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are joined by Shaniqua Mcclendon, political director of Crooked Media, to discuss the voting rights battle coming to a head in the Senate. Shaniqua breaks down what the filibuster is, why it’s outdated, and how tying its reform to Voting Rights could save our democracy. Casual. Then, they brainstorm ways to get Joe Manchin on board with ending the filibuster and discuss the voting rights bill in the context of voter suppression bills across the country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts have a deeper discussion about the tensions in Israel and Palestine as violence escalates between the Israeli military and Hamas. They discuss why the violence can be difficult to discuss, and the bad political actors who take advantage of justified emotions. Then, they discuss Republican attempts to form a third party amid the ouster of Liz Cheney from leadership. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The hosts are back for a pop culture filled episode. First, we break down the controversy surrounding the Golden Globes and Hollywood Foreign Press Association after NBC announced it won’t air next year’s ceremony and explain how the HFPA’s repeated failure to reform will hurt artists this year. Then they explore the internet’s reaction to Gwyneth Paltrow saying she broke down to eat bread. Finally, they share an interview with the Kentucky Derby horse owner claiming his winning horse is a victim of “cancel culture.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Sami, and Amanda break down two converging moments in the pandemic: the first-ever nationwide case decline, and a shocking job report signaling we’re not quite ready to return to pre-pandemic life. They discuss the factors that have prevented some from returning to the workforce, particularly women. Why are men re-entering the labor market while women keep leaving it? Then, they break down a spate of abortion bans across the U.S. Finally, Amanda chats with Alexis McGill Johnson, CEO of Planned Parenthood of America, to discuss National Health Week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s episode of Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by former Communications Director for TIME’S UP, Emily Favreau. They chatted about what it was like growing up with a politically adjacent family, the moment Emily started to really think about politics, and the early stages of her career working as Deputy Press Secretary to Senator Sherrod Brown. Next, Emily shares how she met Crooked Media's Jon Favreau, some of her favorite memories at the White House (including one with Michelle Obama), and what pregnancy and motherhood have been like during the pandemic. Lastly, Sami and Emily face off in a special Taylor Swift trivia game, moderated by The Betches Sup Amanda Duberman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Sami, and Amanda break down the turmoil among Republicans in Congress and how Donald Trump is orchestrating their every move, including replacing Liz Cheney with Elise Stefanik. They break down a Facebook oversight board’s decision to maintain a ban on Trump for another six months, and the rollout of his own new social media platform. Finally, they discuss the absolutely insane election audit in Maricopa County, Arizona, and wrap up with a Mother’s Day edition of Would You Rather. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bryan and Amanda welcome back Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois. They discuss her new memoir Every Day Is A Gift, and how she balanced stories of tragedy and sacrifice with dirty jokes and well-placed swear words. She describes her own experiences with child poverty and how her father’s resistance to government support mirrors policy objections today. Finally, she explains why she stood up to the Biden administration’s delay in appointing Asian American nominees, and how she finally got them to move the needle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Amanda, and Alise give an update on Florida’s Least Finest, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. Why is a man letting his aging population remain in danger a top 2024 contender? Then, they react to the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates, and what it means for which issues get funding and prioritization. Finally, they explain why some New Yorkers are so opposed to Andrew Yang as mayor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amanda, Bryan, and Sami are back to debrief on the dialogue about mask-wearing outdoors. Are we clinging to our masks, or to our pandemic superiority complexes? They break down new data suggesting that the United States won’t achieve herd immunity, and explore what might happen when the vaccine hesitant wellness influencers realize they can’t travel unvaccinated. Finally, they break down an Idaho anti-trans law that could determine the fate of trans women in sports. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Gabrielle Bluestone, journalist, Emmy-nominated executive producer of Fyre on Netflix, and author of Hype: How Scammers, Grifters, and Con Artists Are Taking Over the Internet— and Why We’re Following. They start off with a conversation about her new book and the moment she realized the overhyped Fyre Festival was not what it claimed to be. Next, they discuss the rise of the scammer industry, why it seems like we live in an age where scams are the new normal, and how we as consumers can stop getting played. To end the episode, they play a round of The Four Questions, which leads to a conversation about what the world would look like without marketing and advertising. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sami, Bryan, and Amanda react to President Biden’s address to Congress and the nation. They break down the strongest and most surprising moments, and check in on how Fox News is handling it. They reflect on the first 100 days of the Biden administration and consider the most meaningful moments, from symbolic to substantive. Finally, they check in on America’s favorite disgraced mayor Rudy Giuliani. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Kaitlin, and Amanda celebrate the completion of Sup’s inoculation program and discuss why it’s hard to tell the difference between vaccine symptoms and being in your 30s. Then, they break down the fake and retracted news story that the government handed out copies of Kamala Harris’s children’s book. How did a clearly inaccurate claim take off so quickly? And what does it tell us about how Republicans will approach 2024? Finally, they explain the ranked choice voting system that will determine New York City’s next mayor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Bryan, Amanda, and Alise break down the most influential numbers from this week’s Census data, and explain how they could change the landscape of electoral politics for decades. They explore the factors that have led to decreased birth rates and how Biden wants to tax the rich to make it easier to create more people. Finally, they unpack Caitlyn Jenner’s run for California governor and the factors that led to Gavin Newsom’s potential recall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Sami, and Amanda react to this year’s historic and unusual Oscar ceremony, and explain how the show’s past blind spots can derail it despite increased representation. They also discuss new numbers showing that many Americans aren’t returning for second vaccine doses, and why our broken culture of work is to blame. Then, they break down why SNL might have invited a controversial CEO to host, what it says about the state of entertainment, and the myth of the self made, aspirational male billionaire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Holly Whitaker, Founder and CEO of Tempest and author of Quit Like A Woman. They start with a conversation about Holly’s experience and journey to sobriety. Next, they talk about the parallels between the cigarette and alcohol industries and how drinking patterns have shifted over the years. They also discuss the origin and history of Alcoholics Anonymous and its ties to patriarchal ideas. Then, Holly talks about the story behind Tempest and shares its approach to recovery that focuses on the root cause of addiction. Finally, it’s time for The Four Questions, which leads to a conversation about the importance and power of self healing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bryan, Alise, and Amanda are back for a fun-filled Earth Day bonanza. First, they run through all the festive items at betches.co/supshop. Then they debrief on President Biden’s climate summit and what it means to reduce emissions by half by 2030. They give an update on the Green New Deal and why we need to regard the climate crisis the same way we have COVID. Finally, they play a hilarious game of Would You Rather: Earth Day edition and consider who should be damned to eternity to pick up dead birds from wind turbines. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sami, Kaitlin, and Amanda are back to react to the guilty verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin. They reflect on the year it took to get here, how rare the conviction is, and why they fear it won’t impact future attempts to hold police accountable. Then, they discuss the police shooting of Ma’Khia Bryant, and Kaitlin shares her own experience with over-policing as a teenager. Finally, they discuss how both Darnella Frazier, who filmed George Floyd’s death, and Bryant have been deprived the privilege of youth. To learn more about the deaths of the Ferguson activists, visit: https://apnews.com/article/436251b8a58c470eb4f69099f43f2231 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Milly, Alise, and Amanda kick off 4/20 by sharing a few cannabis-related anecdotes. They also break down the chances for federal legalization and why Joe Biden is being a narc about it. Then, they discuss the continued fallout from Maxine Waters’ statement about the protests, and explain why it’s disingenuous to compare it to Trump’s incitement of violence on January 6. Finally, they share a story from New Jersey of police harassing and arresting Black teens for riding bikes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sami and Bryan start the week with the a few updates on the Indianapolis FedEx shooting last week including what we know about the shooter’s history and possible motives behind his actions. They also reflect on the current worrying rise of gun violence in America as the country begins to reopen and return to a degree of normalcy. Then, they discuss the trial of Derek Chauvin as we enter into the final stage of the trial, and how the city of Minneapolis is preparing for the potential unrest following the verdict. Finally, they talk about the GOP’s outrageous attempt to remove Maxine Water from Congress following her statements promoting social justice, led by none other than Marjorie Taylor Greene. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today’s episode of Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Hallie Jackson, NBC News Senior Washington Correspondent and MSNBC anchor. They start with a conversation about Hallie’s career trajectory prior to her joining MSNBC in 2014. Next, Hallie shares some of the most challenging things she’s reported on, covering the biggest stories from our nation's capital, as well as what it was like co-moderating the 2020 Democratic debate in Las Vegas. They also chatted about Hallie’s recent exclusive reporting on American extremism, the recent mental health fallout from the Capitol insurrection, and her experience giving birth in the early days of the pandemic. Lastly, it’s time for the final segment, where Sami gets a chance to answer The Four Questions herself. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise and Amanda are joined by Dr. Abdul El-Sayed to talk all about medicare for all: what is it, why is it good, and how can we make it happen? Dr. El-Sayed explains what moved him to write “Medicare For All: A Citizen’s Guide,” and how to explain to your conservative uncle why a single-payer system is clearly superior. Then, Dr. Natasha Kathuria calls in to provide context for this week’s announcement about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. She breaks down the exact reasons for the pause and how the transparency around the pause proves we’ve never been safer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise and Amanda cover two news headlines with back-to-back interviews, starting with Rep. Andy Levin, who joins to contextualize the outcome of the Amazon union vote, explain why it’s not actually a failure, and detail what comes next for workers’ rights. Then, Chris Burns aka @fatcarriebradshaw, host of “The Betchelor,” joins to break down news that former Bachelor Colton Underwood is gay. How does this put his previous behavior into context, and will we finally see a gay bachelor? Finally, Chris tells you what tropes to avoid when reacting to public figures coming out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Milly, and Amanda start the episode with more details about the tragic killing of Daunte Wright, including the circumstances that lead to his death and the public response since. Next, they talk about the CDC calling a temporary halt to Johnson & Johnson vaccines after a rare blood clotting issue was discovered. How will this affect the public’s confidence in the J&J vaccine, and vaccines as a whole? Finally, they discuss the role of politics in the vaccine conversation and how we might actually convince people to buy into the idea of vaccine passports. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bryan, Amanda, and Sami are back to react to two instances of police brutality brought to light over the weekend, beginning with the tragedy in Minneapolis. They break down what we know so far about the killing of 20-year-old Daunte Wright just miles away from the Derek Chauvin trial. They describe a video showing an Afro-Latino army lieutenant threatened and assaulted by Virginia police late last year, and explain how both men’s stories highlight the devastating calculations Black men must make simply driving to get from place to place. Finally, they do a Royal update and check in on Matt Gaetz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami is joined by Remy Kassimir, comedian, actor, and host of the podcast How Cum. They begin with a conversation about how Remy conceptualized the idea behind her podcast and her experience and journey to female orgasm. Next, they chat about why feeling pleasure in your own body is important with or without a partner, and how learning to see yourself outside male gaze makes sex better. They also discuss the stigma around the elusive female orgasm (and why it shouldn’t be so elusive) and how her relationship with herself evolved as she discovered her sexuality. Next, they talk about how to feel more comfortable talking to your partner about sex, asking for what you want in the bedroom, and some the of telltale signs that you’re not sexually compatible with your partner. Lastly, it’s time for The Four Questions, which leads to a conversation about a spontaneous pick me up going through through a car wash while blasting music (and other things). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sami, Milly, and Amanda are back for an episode that contains multitudes. First, they react to this week’s Khloe Kardashian drama and how diet culture and beauty standards are inextricable from politics. Then, they give an update on the Derek Chauvin trial. Sami explains why she feels a responsibility to absorb it while Milly recalls a personal anecdote that makes it all the more traumatizing to relive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sami, Kaitlin, and Amanda are back with another Matt Gaetz update, this time related to his request to Trump for a pardon. For the main topics, they react to Mitch McConnell’s threat to corporations to “stay out of politics” after passionately arguing for decades to keep them in -- and why Georgia’s voting law has finally exposed the GOP’s long descent into extremism. Then, they discuss Arkansas’ new anti-trans bill becoming law even after the GOP governor tried to stop it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Milly, and Amanda are back to debrief on everything that’s happened with the Matt Gaetz investigation and its fallout, including claims he showed photos of nude women to congressional colleagues. They explain why Gaetz was emboldened to repeat his lewd behavior, and how it mirrors toxic workplaces for women across industries. Then, they explain how Joe Biden can pass his $2 trillion infrastructure bill and why it should be even bigger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Bryan, and Amanda are back to check on the Trump crime family, detailing a scam by the Trump campaign to steal millions from older and vulnerable supporters to pay off its debts and Ivanka’s failed women’s empowerment initiative. Then, they break down the fall out from Georgia’s voter restriction law and how Governor Brian Kemp is gaslighting the business community into blaming private citizens from out of state. Finally, they unpack a ridiculous story about banned yoga in an Alabama elementary school. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Afternoon Tea, Sami Sage is joined by writer, author, and cultural critic Anne Helen Petersen. They begin with a conversation about Anne’s background, including getting her PhD in celebrity studies, working for Buzzfeed as a culture writer, and turning her Substack into a full time job. Next, they dive into a conversation about how millennials became the burnout generation, what the digital life has become, and dealing with boredom. They also talk about post-pandemic work life, finding new ways of working that make people happier and more productive, and sustaining a work-life balance (why do we insist on traveling back to an office everyday?). Then, they touch on and the problematic beliefs of dieting and body image and how male diet culture has heightened during the pandemic. Finally, it’s time for The Four Questions, where Anne talks about what a post-capitalist society would look like. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alise, Kaitlin, and Amanda reunite to celebrate the legalization of adult-use cannabis in New York (not like that..) and outline three ways the state can work to repair the damage that criminalization has caused to minority communities. Then, they have a candid conversation about anxieties around returning to “normal” life as the pandemic’s next phase launches a large portion of Americans back into the real world. What practices has society developed that we should hold onto, and what was toxic? How will workplaces handle the transition? And how are we ever going to breathe on each other again?! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices