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Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode takes us to a hub of market structure, a powerhouse of trading, and a crossroads of public and private markets to discuss how private markets are in the midst of a market structure evolution.We sat down at Bloomberg’s NYC headquarters with Bloomberg’s Head of Fixed Income & Private Markets Brad Foster to discuss how technology and data are driving a convergence between public and private markets, particularly as it relates to the credit space.Brad is the Head of Fixed Income & Private Markets at Bloomberg, where he’s focused on delivering the data, analytics, and tools clients need to power public and private market investment strategies and workflows. Brad joined Bloomberg in June 2017 to lead its Enterprise Data Content business as well as its Fixed Income Evaluated Pricing (BVAL) offering. He was appointed Head of Fixed Income, including Securitized Products, in early 2023 and Head of Fixed Income & Private Markets in early 2024. Prior to joining Bloomberg, Brad spent almost 20 years on the sell-side in multiple locations, including London, Tokyo, and New York, for Deutsche Bank as a Managing Director in Global Markets across Global Finance, Fixed Income & Currencies, Structured Finance, Special Situations, Structured Lending and Front Office Risk Management, including CVA and Counterparty Risk, where he managed a team that built a Cross-Product Risk and Portfolio Margining Platform. Prior to Deutsche Bank, he was at Credit Suisse in the Market Risk Management Group.Brad and I had a fascinating conversation about public and private credit and how data and technology are shaping these markets. We covered:How Bloomberg’s history shaping other market structures are informing how private markets market structure is evolving.How public and private credit are converging.Definitions and perspectives on liquidity vs illiquidity, what’s risky and what’s not risky.What private markets needs from a market infrastructure perspective to scale.Why borrowers are choosing private credit and the investment grade private credit option.How Bloomberg is approaching private credit and private markets market structure.Bloomberg’s build vs. buy vs. partner strategy with private markets tech.Thanks Brad for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion at the intersection of credit, market structure, and financial technology.Show Notes00:00 Scaling Private Markets01:12 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:13 Brad Foster’s Background04:31 From Trading to Bloomberg05:27 Client Empathy Product Mindset06:25 Fixed Income as Blueprint07:11 Bloomberg Shaping Market Structure08:19 Electronification Turning Points09:10 Efficiency and Regulation Drivers09:45 Blurring Public and Private Credit10:34 Three Legs of Credit11:43 Why Borrowers Go Private13:09 Missing Data and Workflow13:57 Security Master Foundations16:12 Transparency and Retail Pressure22:07 Private Deal Data Uploads22:29 Same Analytics for Private22:50 Sold Not Bought Debate23:43 When Private Gets Liquid24:38 Desktop Real Estate Idea26:21 Reimagining Terminal with AI27:21 Chat as Market Connector28:19 Build Buy Partner Strategy28:51 Bloomberg Private Track Record30:09 Daphne Investment Rationale30:58 Fixing GP LP Workflow32:01 Most Valuable Data Masters33:45 Taxonomy as Missing Piece34:49 Standardizing Valuation Methods35:29 Extending Evaluated Pricing37:27 Liquidity Versus Illiquidity40:18 Portfolio Risk for Asset Owners44:16 Foundations to Scale PrivatesEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode unpacks how to build a private equity firm within one of the largest and most unique investment platforms in private markets.We sat down in Brookfield Asset Management’s Brookfield Place office in downtown NY with David Nowak, the President of Brookfield’s Private Equity Group. David and I dove into a conversation about the private equity industry, Brookfield’s approach to private equity, and how the firm’s culture and DNA shapes how they work with portfolio companies and LPs.David has overall responsibility for the Private Equity Group’s North American business. He also serves as Chief Executive Officer of Brookfield Private Equity Fund. He joined Brookfield in 2011. He holds a MBA degree from Duke University, where he graduated as a Fuqua Scholar, and a Bachelor of Laws degree from the University of Western Ontario.David and I had a fascinating conversation about private equity and the Brookfield platform. We covered:How Brookfield’s owner-operator alignment informs how they approach private equity investing and their partnerships with portfolio companies.How the industry has gone from “roll your dice private equity to roll up your sleeves private equity.”Why and how the firm has a “blue collar work ethic.”The firm’s flat structure and a culture of collective effort, humility, and “earning your seat.”Why Brookfield’s private equity business focuses on complex carve outs.Why it’s important for investors to “think like an operator.”How the firm approaches value creation and the importance of understanding value creation levers even before making an investment.How Brookfield’s broader platform provides the private equity business with insights and subject matter expertise.The story behind Brookfield’s Westinghouse investment.What it means to look for “unloved businesses.”Why private equity is an apprenticeship business and how AI might impact the next generation of private equity leaders.Thanks David for sharing your expertise, wisdom, and passion for private equity and company and culture-building.Show Notes00:00 Cold Open00:51 A Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus01:48 Welcome to Alt Goes Mainstream and David Nowak03:30 Brookfield Culture is We Not I04:48 Leadership Succession and Humility06:22 Earn Your Seat Mindset06:30 Owner Operator Alignment08:23 Maax Bath Case Study09:34 Roll Up Your Sleeves Private Equity11:31 Operators on the Team12:06 Secondments Train Investors12:53 Underwriting with Reality Checks13:58 Platform Advantage and Insights16:46 How Collaboration Actually Works18:56 Long Term Patient Capital21:07 Value Creation Playbook24:38 Contrarian Deals and Valuation Nuance27:41 Underwriting Operating Change27:55 Fixable vs Hard Problems29:16 Winning Management Buy In30:00 Early Wins and Focus30:25 Humility on the Ground31:06 Listening in Founder Talks32:09 Stretching Young Leaders33:23 Flat Structure Decision Table34:24 Scaling Without Losing Culture35:06 Open Space and Mobility35:50 Cross Office Deal Teams37:20 Fund Size and Return Pressure38:23 Shift to Quality Businesses39:25 Good Business or Cheap40:13 Risk First Capital Protection41:50 Graphite Electrode Auction Win43:45 Diligence - Then Move Fast48:14 Curiosity Apprenticeship and AIA Word from Our Sponsor, UltimusThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

It all comes back to the DNA.The firms that know who they are will know who to be.You can learn a lot about an investment firm by listening to what they say.Alt Goes Mainstream’s AGM Originals Series - The DNA: Capturing Culture - is dedicated to capturing the DNA of a firm by listening to what they say.The first season of The DNA stars EQT. In Stockholm, at EQT’s AIM this past summer, I sat down for conversations with nine EQT executives.Each executive came from different parts of the firm — and different parts of the world.Each had fascinating backgrounds and stories about how they ended up in private markets and worked to build EQT.But there was a single throughline threaded throughout all of the discussions: the consistency and frequency that each executive talked about the firm’s mission, vision, culture, and values.That’s why it all comes back to the DNA.Episode 3 features EQT's Lennart Blecher.Lennart Blecher joined EQT Partners in April 2007 and is the Chairperson of EQT Real Assets.Lennart holds a Master of Law degree from the University of Lund, Sweden and has studied at the University of Dallas, Texas - Academy of US & International Law.Prior to joining EQT Partners, Lennart was from 2004 to 2007 Managing Director and Senior Banker in the investment bank of Unicredit/HypoVereinsbank in Munich. From 2002 to 2004, Lennart was Managing Director at GE Commercial Finance in London.Between 1987 until 2002, he held various position in the ABB Group, in Zurich such as General Counsel for the ABB Financial Services Group, President and Business Area Manager for ABB Structured Finance and ABB Equity Ventures.Lennart has held various non executive positions in European banks and reinsurance companies. Lennart is a member of the EQT Executive Committee and is a Chairperson of the Infrastructure Partners Investment Committee.Please enjoy this conversation with one of the industry's leaders in Lennart Blecher.You can stream all the episodes on AGM’s YouTube channel at AltGoesMainstreamAGM.Show Notes00:00 Why the DNA Matters01:04 Meet EQT and Lennart Blecher01:40 From Law to Industry05:40 Building EQT Infrastructure09:44 Infrastructure Megatrends11:01 Old vs New Infrastructure12:45 Digital Energy Convergence14:56 Active Ownership Playbook16:26 Scale and Credibility17:43 Wallenberg Values Culture20:05 Educating Investors21:29 Who Owns Assets Long Term22:47 Platform People Limits23:44 Doing Good Good Business24:34 Underwriting People Culture25:18 Closing Thoughts

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode dives into what it takes to start, build, and scale an alternative asset manager.We sat down in Stable Asset Management’s London office with Erik Serrano Berntsen.Erik is the CEO of Stable, where he defines and executes the firm’s investment strategy. Stable is one of the largest and most tenured GP stake builders globally. The firm manages around $5B in assets and has built over 40 firms since 2006.Stable makes strategic seed and acceleration investments to launch and scale alternatives GPs across public and private markets. With offices in New York, London, and Palm Beach, the firm backs investment firm Founders who understand that extraordinary performance requires building exceptional organizations.Committed to education as a catalyst for change, Erik supports the LSE Alternative Investments Conference — the world’s largest student conference for alternatives, which is how we met 16 years ago — as well as Girls Who Invest and Girls Are Investors. Stable backs 100 Women in Finance and is a Founding Partner of the 10,000 Interns Foundation.Erik holds a BA in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics from Keble College, Oxford, and an MBA with honors and a concentration in Finance from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.Erik and I had a fascinating conversation about what it takes to be a great investor and build a unique investment firm. We discussed:How the business of asset management has evolved since 2006.The incentives gap between LPs and GPs — and how that evolves as GPs scale.How GP seeding and GP stakes can be a solution to LP / GP misalignment.How to discern a manager’s “edge" and how “edge” can change with firm growth.The most non-obvious trait that makes for a great asset management founder.The nuances of evergreen structures and which strategies might be better suited for evergreen structures.The merits of the GP stakes investment strategy for LPs.Thanks Erik for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about GP stakes and asset management.Show Notes00:00 Likeability Wins00:37 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:50 Introduction to Erik Serrano Berntsen and Stable04:08 Why the Name Stable06:26 From Benchmarks to Solutions05:31 Branding as Alts Evolve08:11 Stable’s Two Market Gaps08:47 Fixing LP / GP Misalignment09:29 GP Stakes Alignment Model09:59 Non-Market Risks vs. Operating System11:15 How Edge Changes with Scale14:06 Three Edges to Underwrite16:18 Founders Think in Decades19:53 Timing Cycles and Strategy Drift23:31 Seed vs Acceleration Playbook25:39 Evergreen Capital Goes Mainstream29:01 Smaller Managers Winning Evergreen31:19 Wealth Channel Core vs Specialist33:25 Evergreen vs Drawdowns Debate34:03 Evergreen by Asset Class35:47 GP Stakes Lifecycle 38:29 Picking Tides and Boats39:03 Specialist Strategy Edge40:15 Podshopification in Private Markets41:55 What Drives New GP Formation44:52 Self Awareness as Edge46:31 Always Be Sourcing48:23 Founder to Founder Trust50:37 Lessons Running Stable53:23 Building the GP Operating System59:00 Capital as a Service01:01:43 Stigma Fades in GP Stakes01:05:18 How to Spot Manager Edge01:08:47 Founders to Emulate01:10:35 Communication and Closing ThoughtsA Word from Our Sponsor, UltimusThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode dives into how data and market structure are shaping private markets.We sat down in MSCI’s New York office with Luke Flemmer, the Head of Private Assets at MSCI to discuss how standardization and normalization of data can help bring efficiency, transparency, and liquidity to private markets.Luke brings a unique perspective to private markets. He was previously Managing Director, Head of Digital Strategy for Alternative Investments at Goldman Sachs Asset Management, and was Co-Founder and CEO of Lab49, a global solutions provider of investment and risk technology to asset managers and investment banks.When the ION Group acquired Lab49, Luke became Co-Head of ION’s Capital Markets Division, delivering software and solutions to the group’s global financial services customer base.Earlier in his career, Luke worked in the fields of robotics and artificial intelligence. He is a CFA charterholder.Luke and I had a fascinating conversation about private markets market structure and how MSCI is playing a role in driving standardization, normalization, and transparency of data in private markets. We covered:Parallels to market structure evolutions in equities, fixed income, FX, and derivatives.Tradeoffs of transparency for private markets participants.What it will take to build transparency and price formation in private markets.Where investors will still be able to find durable alpha.What standardization and normalization of data means for secondary markets.Analogies between Greek mythology and private markets.How secondaries has gone from a trade to a portfolio management tool.How index creation will impact private markets.Thanks Luke for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion at the intersection of private markets and market structure.Show Notes00:00 “Data Wants to be Free”00:28 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:02 Sponsor Spotlight: Ultimus Fund Solutions01:57 Private Markets, Data, and Market Structure02:17 Meet MSCI’s Luke Flemmer04:26 From Robotics to Finance: Automation Needs Standardization05:18 Fixed Income’s Transformation: From Trading Floors to E-Trading06:42 Connecting the Data Across the Lifecycle07:58 Harmonized Data → Transparency → Liquidity08:44 Scaling vs Information Asymmetry10:38 What More Transparency Does to Returns and Alpha11:15 Benchmarking Privates Like Publics: PMEs and Comparable Data12:35 Manager Skill and Illiquidity Premium14:14 Company-Level Data & Bilateral Origins16:19 The Ship of Theseus Parable and Should Privates Become Public?23:17 COVID, Denominator Effect, and LP Scrutiny23:50 The New Baseline for Private Funds24:15 Wealth Channel Tailwinds and the Rise of Active LP Portfolio Management25:23 Using Public Liquidity to Balance Private Illiquidity26:15 The 85/15 Public-Private Index: Why Blend Public Equity with Private Equity27:16 Daily Pricing Private Equity: Solving the “Stale Marks” Problem28:15 Smoothing, Stickiness and Forced Secondary Sales29:20 What Tech/Data You Need to Nowcast PE Daily (and What’s Still Missing)30:31 Price Formation Feeding Better Indexes31:34 From Secondaries to Derivatives: Lessons from Fixed Income NAVs33:14 Building Trust in Private Benchmarks: Data Scale and Adoption Over Cycles33:53 Unlocking 401(k)s: What Must Be True for Wealth to Go Big in Privates37:05 Liquidity, Suitability, Risk & Factor Decomposition39:05 Durable Private Markets Alpha (and the Index Question)41:51 Standardizing the Language: Defining “Liquidity” and MSCI as the Connective Tissue (Wrap)A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.2025’s Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.This conversation was with Jeff Fine, Partner, Global Co-Head of Alternatives Capital Formation within Goldman Sachs Asset Management, with responsibility for capital raising, product strategy, research and investor relations across private equity, private credit, real assets, secondaries, GP stakes and hedge funds/liquid alternatives. Jeff is a member of the Real Estate Investment Committee and Urban Investment Group Investment Committee. Jeffrey is also on the boards of GS Real Estate Investment Trust and GS Real Estate Finance Trust. Previously, he was Global Head of Real Estate Client Solutions for Goldman Sachs Asset Management and a senior real estate investor in the Merchant Banking Division for more than 20 years. Jeffrey joined Goldman Sachs in 2002 in the Merchant Banking Division as an Analyst. He was named Managing Director in 2012 and Partner in 2018. Jeff is Chairman of the Dyson School Advisory Council and a member of the SC Johnson College of Business Leadership Council at Cornell University. He is a member of the Cornell Endowment’s Risk, Liquidity, and Operations Subcommittee and the Board of Directors of the Pension Real Estate Association Foundation. Jeffrey is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Met Council at the Brookings Institution.Jeff and I had a fascinating conversation about the intersection of private markets and private wealth, fundraising trends, and the growing role of insurers and the wealth channel in private markets capital formation. We covered:The evolving private markets landscape.The important role of the product specialist.The impact of AI on investing and what it means for private markets.What it takes to be a great investor.The importance of the value creation process in driving investment value.The future of capital formation in private markets.Thanks Jeff for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about private markets and private wealth. Show Notes01:05 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:08 Jeff Fine's Background and Career Journey03:43 Sophistication in the Market05:05 The Role of Product Specialists07:16 Talent and Resourcing in Asset Management 08:01 The War for Talent in Asset Management09:07 Investment Performance as a Priority10:05 Balancing Origination and LP Demand11:42 Meeting Client Needs in Wealth Channel12:06 Transparency and Risk Communication12:59 Growth in Private Markets18:07 Global Capital and Diversification19:31 Smart Allocation in Private Markets20:58 Private Credit as a Yield Instrument22:23 The Role of Insurance in Private Markets24:33 Customization and Scale in Private Markets28:55 Trends in LP Relationships30:39 Strategic Partnerships and Cost Efficiency31:40 Concerns About Market Valuations32:43 Belief in a Transformative Future35:24 Advice for LPs in Current Market36:21 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.2025’s Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.This conversation was with Michael Bruun, Global Co-Head of Private Equity within Goldman Sachs Asset Management. He is a member of the Goldman Sachs Asset Management International Management Committee, Asset Management (AM) Private Equity Investment Committee, AM Growth Equity Investment Committee, AM Sustainable Investing Investment Committee, Asset & Wealth Management Inclusion and Diversity Council and is a member of the Goldman Sachs Firmwide Client Franchise Committee. In 2021, Michael was named Head of EMEA Private Equity within Goldman Sachs Asset Management and from 2019 to 2021, he was Head of Private Equity and Growth Equity investing for India. Michael joined the Merchant Banking Division in 2010 and worked in London and New York. Prior to that, he was a member of the Nordic Mergers & Acquisitions team in the Investment Banking Division (IBD), after initially joining IBD in 2005. Michael joined Goldman Sachs as an Analyst in the Fixed Income, Currency and Commodities Division in 2004. He was named Managing Director in 2013 and partner in 2016. Michael serves on the boards of Advania, Kahoot!, LRQA, Norgine, Synthon and Trackunit. He is a founding partner of the Human Practice Foundation in Denmark and a trustee in the UK. Michael earned a BA in Economics from the University of Copenhagen.Michael and I had a fascinating conversation about private equity, today’s investing environment, the hardest part about investing today, and how product innovation is impacting private equity’s market structure. We discussed:How investors can approach allocating to private equity today.The toolkit required to generate returns in private equity.The importance of network and operating partners in value creation.How new product innovation and new structures like evergreens and continuation vehicles are changing growth equity and private equity. The importance of understanding macro in a new world order of geopolitics and a new world order of investing.The skillsets that investors need to have to be a good investor in today’s investing environment.The hardest part about investing today. Thanks Michael for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about private equity. Show Notes00:56 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:04 Michael Bruun's Background and Career02:31 Evolution of Private Equity03:14 Impact of Market Changes on Private Equity03:43 Operational Value Creation04:50 Importance of Value Creation Resources05:33 Driving EBITDA Growth06:04 Goldman's Value Acceleration Resources07:18 Focus on Data and AI08:27 AI in Different Sectors11:22 Goldman's Investment Strategy14:28 Scale and Capital in Private Equity15:40 Co-Investments and Evergreen Vehicles18:11 Flexibility in Private Markets23:53 Navigating Volatility24:59 Post-Investment Operations25:23 Goldman Sachs Engineering26:05 Future of Private Equity27:39 CEO AI Academy28:01 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.2025’s Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.This conversation was with Harold Hope, Partner, Global Head of Vintage Strategies, one of the world's largest secondary fund managers, in the External Investing Group (XIG) within Goldman Sachs Asset Management. He is also Chair of the XIG Vintage Funds Committee and a member of the XIG Real Estate Strategies Investment Committee and the XIG GP Strategies Investment Committee. Harold joined Goldman Sachs in 1999 as an Associate in Leveraged Finance and Corporate Finance within the Investment Banking Division and moved to the Alternative Investments & Manager Selection (now XIG) private equity business in 2001. He was named Managing Director in 2006 and Partner in 2016. Prior to joining the firm, Harold worked as a financial analyst at the investment banking boutique Bowles Hollowell Conner & Co. Harold earned a BA in Economics and Political Science from the University of North Carolina. Harold and I had a fascinating and timely conversation about the growth and evolution of the secondaries market. We discussed:Perspectives from Harold’s early days in secondaries 25 years ago, when Goldman had raised its first $400M fund in secondaries and when the secondaries industry was doing around $2B per year in transaction volume.How the secondaries market is vastly different from five years ago. The evolution of innovation in the secondaries market.Why problem-solving is a defining feature of secondaries. What is the right skillset required to be a great secondaries investor?Why secondaries is fundamentally a valuation oriented business.Are secondaries returns driven by buying high-quality assets or by buying at steep discounts?Misconceptions about continuation vehicles and how the trend of private companies staying private longer impacts CVs.The how and the why behind Goldman’s recent acquisition of Industry Ventures and why Goldman is excited about the opportunity set in venture and growth secondaries.Why scale matters in secondaries.Why secondaries might not become a traded market like the bank loan market and why secondaries may not fully achieve standardization because managers may not want completely uniform standardization.Why secondaries can be an on-ramp to private markets for private wealth investors.Thanks Harold for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about secondaries and private markets. Show Notes00:35 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:26 Harold Hope’s Background and Entry into Secondaries02:13 Evolution of the Secondaries Market02:30 Drivers of Change in the Market02:43 Innovations in the Secondary Market04:45 Skill Sets Required in Secondaries05:42 Valuation and Investment Strategies07:14 Continuation Vehicles (CVs) Explained09:27 Impact of Private Companies Staying Private Longer10:47 Acquisition of Industry Ventures12:01 Specialized Teams in Secondaries13:14 Goldman's Unique Position in Secondaries14:28 Leveraging Data and AI in Secondaries15:47 Recent Trends and Market Dynamics16:42 Future Growth of the Secondaries Market17:10 Secondaries as an On-Ramp for Retail Investors18:15 Closing Thoughts and Future OutlookEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.2025’s Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes at the Goldman Sachs Alternatives Conference and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.This conversation was with Kristin Olson, Partner, Global Head of Alternatives for Wealth within Asset & Wealth Management and a member of the Management Committee. In her role, she oversees the global alternatives platform and alternatives product strategy across wealth client businesses. Kristin joined Goldman Sachs in 1998 as an Analyst in the Financial Institutions Group in the Investment Banking Division. She was named Managing Director in 2008 and Partner in 2014. Kristin is a member of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, a leading research institution focusing on cancer, neuroscience, plant biology, genomics, and bioinformatics, and is a member of the Georgetown University Board of Regents. Kristin earned a BS in International Economics, magna cum laude, from Georgetown University in 1998.Kristin and I had a fascinating conversation about private markets, private wealth, how to approach strategic and tactical asset allocation, the evolving needs of an investor, and why education and financial media are becoming increasingly important tools for investors. We discussed:Lessons learned from working with Goldman Private Wealth clients that the firm has applied to how they approach serving client needs across the wealth channel with private markets solutions.Why Millennials are interested in investing in private markets.How investors can access innovation by investing in private markets.How can alternative asset managers approach educating the client and investor of the future?How private markets fits into a strategic asset allocation framework.The next evolution in private markets education for the wealth channel investor.The main source of information about private markets for investors.The future of implementation, model portfolios, and hybrid products in private markets.Thanks Kristin for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion at the intersection of private markets and private wealth. Show Notes00:41 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:35 Kristin Olson's Background and Career Evolution01:59 The Evolution of Alternative Investments02:46 Lessons from Goldman Wealth Clients03:36 Diversification and Education in Alternatives04:23 Serving Broader Wealth Channels05:37 Balancing Customization and Scale07:20 Survey Insights on Millennial Investors08:44 Building the Goldman Sachs Brand for the Future09:43 The Importance of Education in Alternatives10:53 Early Adoption of Private Markets in Wealth Channels12:28 Consolidation and Partnerships in Private Markets16:42 Advice for New Investors in Private MarketsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.2025’s Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes at the Goldman Sachs Alternatives Conference and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.This conversation was with James Reynolds, Global Co-Head of Private Credit within Goldman Sachs Asset Management. He also serves as Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International.James is Co-Chair of the Asset Management Private Credit Investment Committee, as well as a member of the Management Committee, Partnership Committee, the European Management Committee and the EMEA Talent Council. James joined Goldman Sachs in 2000 as an Analyst and was named Managing Director in 2007 and Partner in 2010. James is a trustee of Greenhouse Sports and serves as a member of the Corporation Development Committee of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). James earned a BS from the École Nationale des Ponts et Chaussées in 1998 and an MSc from MIT in 2000.James and I had a fascinating conversation about Goldman’s extensive history in private credit and the current market dynamics. We covered:Why all capital coming into the private credit industry is not created equal.How Goldman’s culture of “partnership, collaboration, and the right incentives” provides them with an edge in origination.Why James is an “optimistic pessimist.”Narrative versus reality in private credit markets today.What creates alpha in private credit.How to build an investment culture and, in credit, how to build an investment culture that “doesn’t feel pressure to deploy.”Why many investors are focusing on Europe.How the entire platform of Goldman Sachs helps them in private credit.Thanks James for sharing your expertise, wisdom, and passion for private credit, private markets, and private wealth.Show Notes00:39 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:30 James Reynolds' Background02:44 Evolution of Private Credit03:12 Direct Origination and Financing Solutions04:08 Growth in Private Credit Market05:55 Importance of Origination06:29 Goldman Sachs' Competitive Edge08:38 Expanding Universe of Credit10:22 Harmonization of Goldman Sachs12:01 Private Credit Deployment Strategies14:15 Current State of Private Credit17:16 Building an Investment Culture18:31 Traits of a Great Credit Investor20:52 Assessing the Business of Asset Management22:43 Opportunities in Europe26:10 Concerns in Private Credit27:28 Optimistic Pessimism in Private Credit27:59 Conclusion and Closing RemarksEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.The Goldman Sachs Alternatives Summit “convened leaders across finance, geopolitics, technology, and culture” to discuss themes driving global markets.The 2025 Alternatives Summit was about “navigating a world in flux,” as the firm’s recap of its event noted. The event aimed to help investors cut through the noise and put together the pieces of the puzzle in a dynamic and increasingly complex world. Alt Goes Mainstream joined the event to have unscripted conversations with Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders to cut through the noise by unpacking key themes and trends at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.In this special series, we went behind the scenes at the Goldman Sachs Alternatives Conference and interviewed six Goldman Sachs Alternatives leaders about their current thinking on private markets and how the firm has built and evolved its private markets capabilities.Our first conversation was with Matt Gibson, who is head of the Client Solutions Group within Goldman Sachs Asset Management. Prior to his current role, Matt served as co-head of the Technology, Media and Telecommunications Group in the Investment Banking Division from 2021 to 2023. Before that Matt served as co-head of One Goldman Sachs from 2019 to 2021 and served as global co-head of Client Coverage within Investment Banking Services from 2015 to 2020. He joined Goldman Sachs in 2001 as an associate and was named managing director in 2008 and partner in 2010. Prior to joining the firm, Matt was a US naval officer for five years, working in a variety of capacities on two different US Navy ships. During this time, Matt’s service centered on operations in the Western Pacific, Persian Gulf, Mediterranean Sea and Adriatic Sea. Matt serves on the US Naval Academy Board of Trustees and the Global Advisory Board for the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University. Matt earned a BS in Political Science from the United States Naval Academy in 1994 and an MBA from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University in 2001.Matt and I had a fascinating conversation about Goldman’s evolution of its private markets strategy and how the firm’s “One Goldman Sachs” initiative has enabled them to bring the entire firm to bear as it helps deliver solutions for both wealth and institutional clients. We covered:How Matt’s experiences across the firm inform the way he approaches solving needs for clients.The how and the why behind the “One Goldman Sachs” initiative.Goldman’s client-centric approach. Why it matters to be an early mover in certain instances in private markets.Goldman’s approach to partnerships in private markets.The power of the platform and how Goldman leverages its platform to help its private markets efforts.The importance of understanding geopolitics in today’s increasingly complicated investing world.Thanks Matt for sharing your expertise, wisdom, and passion for private markets and private wealth. Show Notes00:42 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast00:56 Goldman Sachs Alternatives Conference Overview01:09 Interview with Matt Gibson02:26 Matt Gibson's Career Journey02:50 The Importance of Client Engagement03:17 One Goldman Sachs Initiative04:13 Commercial and Cultural Impact of One Goldman Sachs05:11 Convergence of Public and Private Markets06:04 Growth in Retail and Institutional Alternatives07:44 Balancing Customization with Scale08:23 Leveraging the Goldman Sachs Platform10:10 Origination and Investment Banking Synergy11:23 Infusing Goldman Sachs Culture12:34 Private Markets Culture and Strategy13:35 Building Capabilities Through Partnerships15:19 LP Relationships and Private Markets Evolution16:44 Strategic Decisions in Private Markets19:13 Agility in Product Strategy21:08 Serving Clients in Private Markets25:41 Geopolitical Considerations in Investing28:06 Mega Trends and Geopolitics29:47 Future of Private Markets30:37 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode dives into the rapidly expanding world of secondaries with a senior leader at one of the pioneering firms in the secondaries space.We sat down at Franklin Templeton’s New York office with Taylor Robinson, a Partner on the Secondary team at Lexington Partners, which has over $77B in total capitalization and is part of Franklin Templeton’s family of private markets funds and strategies.Taylor, who joined the firm in 2008, is primarily focused on the origination, evaluation, and execution of secondary opportunities, including partnership and GP-led transactions. He’s also a member of Lexington’s ESG Steering Committee.Taylor and I had a fascinating conversation about the current state of the secondaries market. We covered many of the hot button topics and trends that are shaping the secondaries market, including:Why secondaries have become an integral part of many LPs portfolios.How secondaries have become a portfolio management tool for LPs.The rise of GP-led secondaries.Why not all CVs are created equal.Why secondaries can be a good on-ramp to private markets for wealth channel investors.What the future holds for secondaries.Thanks Taylor for coming on the show to share your expertise and wisdom about private markets and secondaries.Show Notes00:00 A Different Way of Thinking About Private Equity00:43 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:20 Introduction to Taylor Robinson02:35 Taylor Robinson's Background and Career04:25 The Evolution of the Secondaries Market05:20 Impact of the Financial Crisis on Secondaries06:34 Growth and Liquidity in Private Markets07:13 Current State of the Secondaries Market07:29 Traditional vs. GP-Led Secondary Deals09:18 Challenges and Opportunities for Institutional LPs11:22 Active Portfolio Management Strategies13:06 Driving Returns and Gaining Edge14:46 Evaluating and Partnering with GPs16:30 Nuances of the Secondary Market17:22 Market Dynamics and Investment Strategies18:04 The Role of Data and Technology19:35 Regulation and Standardization in Private Markets20:08 Evolving Focus of Secondaries Firms20:51 Investment Horizons and Return Expectations22:17 Primary vs. Secondary Fund Investing27:07 Specialization and Diversification in Private Equity28:41 Managing Favorite Assets28:49 Diversified Portfolio Nuances29:37 Generating Alpha in Secondaries30:22 Asset Selection and Value Drivers31:09 Consistent Investor Experience33:53 Comparing Secondaries and Primaries35:51 Evaluating Secondaries Over Time37:18 Evergreen Funds and New Structures38:11 Benefits of Locked-Up Capital40:34 Challenges in Evergreen Space41:39 Wealth Channel and Scale43:04 Skillset for Secondaries Investors45:16 Intellectual Curiosity and Success47:45 Industry Trends and GP Consolidation49:16 Understanding Market Dynamics50:18 Training and Retention at Lexington50:41 Future of Secondary Markets52:54 Misconceptions About Secondaries54:31 Shifting Mindsets on Discounts54:54 Consistent Returns Through Cycles55:42 Secondaries as a Real Asset Class56:16 Excitement for Future Growth56:22 Conclusion and FarewellEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode features a pioneer who has been building the core infrastructure that is making private markets go mainstream.We talk with Gary Tenkman, a 30-year veteran of the fund administration world who is the CEO of Ultimus Fund Solutions. Ultimus serves over 450 clients and 2,300 funds, representing $725B of assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,100 professionals. Ultimus, which is backed by private equity firm, GTCR and, more recently, Stone Point, is able to help investment managers navigate a growing array of challenges that include elaborate fund structures and evolving compliance requirements. Gary has built a business that combines the best of technology and human experts in fund administration to serve many of the industry’s largest funds. Ultimus has also been a big part of the ability for private markets to innovate with evergreen and interval fund structures since they have the necessary infrastructure and services to help fund managers launch, run, and administer evergreen structures.Prior to joining Ultimus as CEO, Gary was Head of North American Operations at another large fund service provider, where he was responsible for service delivery for all clients in the region. During his 16 years there, he held leadership positions in alternative investment fund services, European fund services, and US fund services.Gary and I had fascinating conversation about the evolution of fund administration and how fund administration in private markets has changed with the growing interest in evergreen and interval funds. We discussed:How fund administration has changed over the 30 years Gary has been in the industry.Will the evergreen fund industry mirror the growth and evolution of the mutual fund industry?The gap that Gary and Ultimus saw in private markets fund administration.Why fund services for evergreen fund structures is very complex and hard to do well.How technology can provide leverage to fund administration.Will AI impact fund administration?Why fund services are a compelling investment category for private equity.Thanks Gary for coming on the show to share your wisdom and experience and thanks for your support of Alt Goes Mainstream. The work you’re doing at Ultimus is making a big impact on evolving the industry, so it’s an honor to have you partner with AGM. We hope you enjoy.Show Notes01:01 Introduction to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast01:10 Gary Tenkman: A Pioneer in Fund Administration01:17 Ultimus Fund Solutions: An Overview01:50 Innovations in Private Markets02:02 Gary's Career Journey02:20 The Evolution of Fund Administration02:38 Challenges in Fund Services for Evergreen Structures02:46 The Role of Technology in Fund Administration06:58 Automation and Data Standardization11:15 AI in Fund Administration12:09 Fund Level vs. Asset Level Data13:16 Lessons from the Mutual Fund Industry13:58 Product Innovation in Private Markets18:30 Navigating the Evergreen Space23:20 Distribution Strategies for Private Markets25:35 The Importance of Service Providers26:50 The Evolution of Ultimus Fund Solutions27:19 Evolution of Ultimus: The Early Days28:02 Client-Centric Focus: The Key to Success28:16 Investing in Technology and Growth28:35 Mergers and Acquisitions: Building Scale28:58 Private Side Expansion and Momentum29:40 Challenges and Solutions in Private Markets30:40 Client-Centric Culture: What It Means31:34 Delivering High-Quality Client Service32:28 Maintaining Culture Amidst Growth33:27 Industry Consolidation: A Historical Perspective34:09 New Partnerships and Investments35:26 Future M&A Opportunities35:43 Stone Point's Investment in Ultimus36:34 Growth in Private Funds and Evergreen Structures37:29 Convergence of Public and Private Markets38:05 Hybrid Product Structures: Opportunities and Challenges39:45 Regulatory Challenges in Retail Alts40:58 Education and Adoption in Private Markets45:54 401k and Retirement Space: Unlocking Potential48:04 Exciting Trends in Private MarketsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.